post proof of bad ethanol problems

[GregGA]

No ethanol problems here i only buy 90 octane ethanol free gasoline

I haven't had any ethanol problems either. However I found an E0 90 octane station close to me. Since some of my OPE specifies 89 octane, I am switching to E0. It's something like 25 cents a gallon more, so no big deal. Nothing to lose.

 

[possum]

Humidity can play a large part in ethanol problems. My dealer like to show off the ruined carbs. I looked a string trimmer yesterday at a neighbors. The fuel he drained from the tank was about two thirds fuel mix and one third water. It had been filled from an almost empty five gallon fuel container that still looked brand new but had fuel in it from the year before. The amazing thing was the trimmer started and ran for a minute or so. The carb is white pitted metal with rust scattered through it. Some portions of the metal is just gone.

 

[Ric]

Humidity can play a large part in ethanol problems. My dealer like to show off the ruined carbs. I looked a string trimmer yesterday at a neighbors. The fuel he drained from the tank was about two thirds fuel mix and one third water. It had been filled from an almost empty five gallon fuel container that still looked brand new but had fuel in it from the year before. The amazing thing was the trimmer started and ran for a minute or so. The carb is white pitted metal with rust scattered through it. Some portions of the metal is just gone.

Question what and why does Humidity have to do with ethanol problems.

 

[exotion]

Question what and why does Humidity have to do with ethanol problems.

I agree I don't see the connection.

So far what I have seen here is ethanol has the potential to be a problem if the person using ethanol gas is unaware of how to use it. You cannot leave it sitting to long without use. That being said you cannot leave oil to long either so why would you leave gas? comes down to maintenance.

If you cannot maintain or pay to have your machine maintained you should own said machine you need to hire out.

 

[chobbs1957]

Question what and why does Humidity have to do with ethanol problems.

:confused2: My head is spinning with some of these pretty wise comments, comments from posters with lots of obvious common sense and lots of experience.

Anyhoos, as for the relationship between humidity and ethanol, my logic:

Ethanol "attracts" moisture THEREFORE high humidity = high probability of condensation (like fog and dew) THEREFORE condensation + oxygen = high probability of problems like rust

 

[Ric]

:confused2: My head is spinning with some of these pretty wise comments, comments from posters with lots of obvious common sense and lots of experience.

Anyhoos, as for the relationship between humidity and ethanol, my logic:

Ethanol "attracts" moisture THEREFORE high humidity = high probability of condensation (like fog and dew) THEREFORE condensation + oxygen = high probability of problems like rust

Well if your logic holds true than me of all people should have more problems than anyone. Considering where I live is seldom below about 96% to 100% humidity at night and most times during the day is in the 75 to 80% range. IT's 7:00am now, Brandon 100% humidity, Orlando =91%, Sarasota =96%, Brooksville 100%, Winter Haven =93% just to name a few. So due to the fact that I've been running all types of Lawn equipment for years without any issue with ethanol what conclusion should I draw?

 

[ILENGINE]

:confused2: My head is spinning with some of these pretty wise comments, comments from posters with lots of obvious common sense and lots of experience.

Anyhoos, as for the relationship between humidity and ethanol, my logic:

Ethanol "attracts" moisture THEREFORE high humidity = high probability of condensation (like fog and dew) THEREFORE condensation + oxygen = high probability of problems like rust

I think there may be some sense to this, but I think it may be more related to temperature variations. Large swings in temperature variation, due to expansion and contraction may play a part due to air exchange in unsealed containers.

Years ago there was a problem with water condensing in fuel containers, and I always asked how the water got in there. And was always told condensation. And I always asked how the condensation got inside of a seal container. And they could never answer that questions.

 

[Ric]

I think there may be some sense to this, but I think it may be more related to temperature variations. Large swings in temperature variation, due to expansion and contraction may play a part due to air exchange in unsealed containers.

Years ago there was a problem with water condensing in fuel containers, and I always asked how the water got in there. And was always told condensation. And I always asked how the condensation got inside of a seal container. And they could never answer that questions.

ILENGINE Your right, temperature variations, due to expansion and contraction cause condensation. We've had problems with water in gas long before Ethanol or Bio-fuels were ever thought of so to blame Ethanol for the problem I think is a little strange to say the least.

 

[djdicetn]

ILENGINE Your right, temperature variations, due to expansion and contraction cause condensation. We've had problems with water in gas long before Ethanol or Bio-fuels were ever thought of so to blame Ethanol for the problem I think is a little strange to say the least.

Question(s).......when, not if, the EPA forces E15 ethanol sales on the masses will you burn that readily available fuel in your existing equipment without hesitation........OR.......will you seek out E10 that you have been using without problems "if" it is still avaialble???? If you answer that you will seek out E10, what's the difference in that and those of us now seeking out ethanol-free???

 

[Ric]

Question(s).......when, not if, the EPA forces E15 ethanol sales on the masses will you burn that readily available fuel in your existing equipment without hesitation........OR.......will you seek out E10 that you have been using without problems "if" it is still avaialble???? If you answer that you will seek out E10, what's the difference in that and those of us now seeking out ethanol-free???

If the EPA has there way and if they decide on E15 instead of just jumping to the E85, What I'll use will be decided by the equipment I'm using. When and if E15 hits the market I would guess that they would already have the equipment for it's use already for sale so I would be replacing what I have with new if the old couldn't be converted. As far as me seeking out the E10.... No...I wouldn't look for it or go out of my way to find it anymore than I have for ethanol free gas, In my opinion seeking out Ethanol free gas to run when I have equipment that is very capable of running E10 is ridiculous and a waste of time and money and not away to show a larger profit for the business, say nothing about trying to explain it to an auditor why I'm doing that when I get deductions on gas use.

The thing I think that bothers me is the E85 that's already available and being sold at stations for FFV's. As I said there are 10 stations in Florida now that have and sell E85 and almost 3000 stations throughout the country. Ford, GM and Dodge have had FFV's on the market since the early 1980's that would run and use E85 and are using it now, so tell me why the EPA should even consider using E15, people may be in for a rude awakening.