Your constitution was good back in the 1700 (or whenever) when you were fighting for freedom and killing indians but you need to bring it into the 21 century.
Nobody needs guns unless job dependant and with licence.
Over here even air rifles need a licence because a child got shot!
Take guns away and the innocent might stand a chance.
We are still fighting for freedom here. Freedom is not free.
Guns don't kill people people kill people same as cars the drunk driver kills people not the car.
Sent from my iPhone using LMF
Your constitution was good back in the 1700 (or whenever) when you were fighting for freedom and killing indians but you need to bring it into the 21 century.
Nobody needs guns unless job dependant and with licence.
Over here even air rifles need a licence because a child got shot!
Take guns away and the innocent might stand a chance.
Take away the guns and you might have your freedom.
We got our freedom when Mel Gibson fought for us a few years ago!! :laughing:
Well unfortunately the people that want to do harm will get a gun if they want to-laws keep the honest people honest, the others are going to do what they want whether there is a law against it or not!
The thing is as someone else said were still fighting for freedoms and were doing it all over the world. As far as your statement that Nobody needs guns unless job dependent and with license. I don't agree with.
Unfortunately you're right but I think that's all the more reason people need a gun in there house to protect themselves and there property.
Well unfortunately the people that want to do harm will get a gun if they want to-laws keep the honest people honest, the others are going to do what they want whether there is a law against it or not!
Its a knock on effect.
Kids see parents with guns in the house and assume its ok for them to have them.
As a parent of a 6year old i dont even promote pretend toy gun play but kids are kids and will always do it by themselves.
Because our gun laws are tight over here its stabbing thats a problem!!
So, if they want to take away our gun rights, then they will have to take away our chainsaw rights too. because that can be used as a weapon also.
Taking it a bit far now.
How many people do you know walk into a school with a chainsaw and kill people?
We would have to then cut our hands and feet off aswell then as they are weapons?
IMO it has to be common sense.
Guns are known as weapons which are meant to hit things from distance mostly killing.
Chainsaws are tools to cut trees down!!
Well its just my point of view, you are right by saying that it is easier to use then a chainsaw but still even if a person follows the gun law, and they want someone dead then they are going to find another way to kill them. just think of how many simple things that could be used as weapons.
Well its just my point of view, you are right by saying that it is easier to use then a chainsaw but still even if a person follows the gun law, and they want someone dead then they are going to find another way to kill them. just think of how many simple things that could be used as weapons.
Your constitution was good back in the 1700 (or whenever) when you were fighting for freedom and killing indians but you need to bring it into the 21 century.
Nobody needs guns unless job dependant and with licence.
Over here even air rifles need a licence because a child got shot!
Take guns away and the innocent might stand a chance.
Well its just my point of view, you are right by saying that it is easier to use then a chainsaw but still even if a person follows the gun law, and they want someone dead then they are going to find another way to kill them. just think of how many simple things that could be used as weapons.
Oh, and there's another key difference. Worried about independence? Have to vote for it? We won ours, over 200 years ago. So far, excepting the u.n., we've kept it. Why wouldn't you want independence? THAT is something I can't understand.
Sent from my LG-P505 using LMF
How does my possession of numerous firearms affect you? Please expound on that statement. I don't believe it does, at all. You should worry about the police being able to inspect one's home simply because they possess firearms. But you don't. And I don't gripe about you having fewer rights than me. Or anything else about your homeland. So can it.
Sent from my LG-P505 using LMF
I havent got a problem with anybodys point of view and fully respect any of them as we live in a "free"
World to say what we want (within reason).
Yes chainsaws should have licences aswell.
I still cant believe that in this day and age anybody can go to a supermarket and buy something as dangerous as a saw.
We have the "right" to drive a car once we have past a "test".
Thats what guns should have as well.
Yes anybody may be able to aquire firearms illegally but lets make it harder.
Just had a documentary on with america having 50% of the worlds firearms with only 5% of worlds population. Something wrong.
Why do 10% of women in America own a firearm?
America is one hell of a scary place!!!
pugaltitude
You say anybody may be able to acquire firearms illegally but lets make it harder. How would you make it Harder???????????
This is going to be the difficult part.
Education, laws, licences, tougher port control to stop illegal import of firearms and supermarkets to stop selling guns and bullets.
Probably whats going on now but maybe tougher.
I know its very difficult and glad im not the decision maker.
Ric said:Everything from the second line in your post is already in place but as far as for stopping the sale of guns and ammo I don't agree with. I do believe the sale of assault rifles needs to be banned, large capacity magazines things like that shouldn't be available to the public.
There are those who believe that there should be more guns (carry weapons) be aloud in schools and churches in fact the Governor of Michigan has a bill on his desk waiting to be signed to do just that at this very moment. Good Idea or Bad Idea. Will he sign it or not who knows.
Ok, but if we're going to ban things, let's ban other unneeded things. Let's govern all cars to 60 MPH. Let's ban high horsepower vehicles. They're dangerous, and people hurt themselves and others with them. We'll ban cars because people without license or insurance can still get them and drive them. See? It doesn't make any sense.
Sent from my LG-P505 using LMF
Everything from the second line in your post is already in place but as far as for stopping the sale of guns and ammo I don't agree with. I do believe the sale of assault rifles needs to be banned, large capacity magazines things like that shouldn't be available to the public.QUOTE]
The assault weapons (term actually coined by Adolph Hitler) that they want to ban are semi-auto, not the full auto, selective fire weapons(required to meet the definitition of an assault weapon) required used by the military. Does a .223 AR15 have more killing power than .223 varmint rifle? Or does a collapsible stock increase the deadliness of the same rifle with a fixed stock.
The guns they want to ban are based on what they look like, not how they function. Thirty round magazines for AR15 are more likely to have malfunctions than standard 20 round capacity magazines. Some politicians want to ban 17 round magazines for the glock, which is a standard capacity magazine for that handgun.
I can take my standard Ruger 10/22 rifle and replace the stock with a folding or collapsible stock, and that would make it an assault rifle under the media's description of an assault rifle. Just changing the appearance shouldn't make one rifle ok and the other one banned.
I am not even sure that the current proposed ban would even meet constitution muster under Heller/Mcdonald. Which stated that you cannot ban arms in common use. There are like 15 million AR15's nationwide and growing daily. If that doesn't meet the requirement of common use then I don't know what would.
The truth is the last assault weapons ban that ended in 2004 is what started the current AR15 craze, and didn't change the number of mass murders. AR15's weren't banned, just certain features like a flash hider, and collapsible stock, or bayonet lug.
Thank the Lord they took your guns away,..you was nuts back then allreadyAdults are always the problem.
Games, music, films etc have ratings.
Why do "adults" allow kids to watch or play these things?
I used to play grand theft auto and pretend to run people over but would never allow my kids to do this till they were aged enough at the rating and understand it.Iv got some friends that allow there 7 year old to play and say its fine.
Hee Pug, i live in bear,cougar,wolf country, how do i protect myself,my family or mij livestock against those if need be if i can't have a gun.:confused2:I havent got a problem with anybodys point of view and fully respect any of them as we live in a "free"
World to say what we want (within reason).
Yes chainsaws should have licences aswell.
I still cant believe that in this day and age anybody can go to a supermarket and buy something as dangerous as a saw.
We have the "right" to drive a car once we have past a "test".
Thats what guns should have as well.
Yes anybody may be able to aquire firearms illegally but lets make it harder.
Just had a documentary on with america having 50% of the worlds firearms with only 5% of worlds population. Something wrong.
Why do 10% of women in America own a firearm?
America is one hell of a scary place!!!
Hee Pug, i live in bear,cougar,wolf country, how do i protect myself,my family or mij livestock against those if need be if i can't have a gun.:confused2:
Do you think a hammer will help?
Well to start with Nobody said you can't have a gun. Lets think about this, seeing were on a lawn forum I'll use this as an example. I'm a homeowner with 1/8 acre to mow and I need a mower, do I run down to the shop and buy a 60" commercial ztr? answer of course not I buy a 22" self propelled push.
Do you need an AR 223 bushmaster to shoot at bear, cougar, wolf or to protect your livestock? Do you need a 9mm Glock with a forty shot clip and a silencer to protect your family, I don't think so.
The problem with people is there wants over shadow there needs, it's called overkill and I think that's what the Government looking at nothing more.
As I said before I'm a gun owner, I own pistols, shotguns and a rifle or two but lets get real my 40 cal Glock at my beside at night is very sufficient I don't believe you need something like this
View attachment 10366
A small city just west of me has a law that every homeowner MUST have a gun in the house.
There is no crime. Your house does not get broke into. Your thing in your yard are safe.
You know if you try and rob a store you will be shot.
Sent from my iPhone using LMF
I just think this is wrong.
A typical normal house with a family of 4 with 9-5 jobs imo do not need a gun.
Now I said job dependent, so gamekeepers, pro hunters, farmers, that type of person.
Now Im no city slicker but I am a small country type boy that does go fishing, ferreting and have been hunting but is all done in "controlled" environment.
As for bullets and guns imo they are not meant for super markets but for controlled environments!
I've never heard of a gun store referred to as a super market before. :smile: You talk of a controlled environment, isn't your home a controlled environment. Shouldn't this typical normal house with a family of 4 with 9-5 jobs have the choice of what they want in there home for protection, or do they rely on a 911 call with law enforcement that shows up after the tragedy.
1 You are in bed sleeping of course :laughing: A Bad Guy is causing problems in the house. You take aim, shoot and kill him.
Do you go to jail with the chance of death row as America still has this I assume or are you a Hero?
2 You are in bed again (lazy) :laughing:.
A Bad Guy is causing problems in the house. You take aim, shoot and kill one of your kids.
Who is :laughing: now???
I honestly dont know anybody that owns a gun.
1 You are in bed sleeping of course :laughing: A Bad Guy is causing problems in the house. You take aim, shoot and kill him.
Do you go to jail with the chance of death row as America still has this I assume or are you a Hero?
2 You are in bed again (lazy) :laughing:.
A Bad Guy is causing problems in the house. You take aim, shoot and kill one of your kids.
Who is :laughing: now???
I honestly dont know anybody that owns a gun.
I just think this is wrong.
A typical normal house with a family of 4 with 9-5 jobs imo do not need a gun.
Now I said job dependant, so gamekeepers, pro hunters, farmers, that type of person.
Now Im no city slicker but I am a small country type boy that does go fishing, ferreting and have been hunting but is all done in "controlled" enviroment.
As for bullets and guns imo they are not meant for super markets but for controlled enviroments!
I have a situation to think about? What if somebody breaks into your home at 1 AM with some sort of a weapon, what do you do? Probably call the police. OK, now think about this, The police are 45 minutes away, maybe only have one officer on duty to cover 1000 square miles. Now how do you defend yourself while you wait for the police to show up.
Comes back to the staying that, When seconds count, the police are minutes away.
Could it be that our government is not concerned about protecting it's citizens against it's citizens as much as it is about disarming it's population?
My response is "Just because you can't see the need doesn't mean we aren't quickly approaching a place where it (the need) will become apparent".
I believe you have the right to protect yourself and your loved ones on your property.
What does concern me is, why there are those in our government who seem pre-occupied with getting these weapons to place that is off limits to civilians. These weapons, the weapons used to defend a country.
You just stay right where you're comfortable.America is one hell of a scary place!!!
We will be fine without you here in "The land of the Free and the home of the Brave"
If it wasn't for this "place" you would be speaking German
I think bagpipes are scary
Do you have a plaid skirt?
You just stay right where your comfortable.
We will be fine without you here in "The land of the Free and the home of the Brave"
If it wasn't for this "place" you would be speaking German
I think bagpipes are scary
Do you have a plaid skirt?
I am a lowland scot (not far from Lockerbie) so dont wear kilts but troos which is tartan trousers.
The wierdo highlanders or Teucher are scandanaivian who brought the skirts.
Bagpipes are fantastic instrument but since there is no trigger you wouldnt understand.
As for the German probably if no European colony then you would all maybe be using bow and arrows
:laughing: happy days
troos.....kilts..... I don't caredont wear kilts but troos which is tartan trousers.
Like I said....I don't careI am a lowland scot (not far from Lockerbie)
Fantastic.......a subjective term.Bagpipes are fantastic instrument
They no doubt left the trigger off for good reason..... Scots like you would be shootin yer toes off. :laughing::laughing::laughing:there is no trigger you wouldnt understand
Yeah they were purchased by his mother, but to say were stolen, what's to say that he didn't have access to the guns to go to the range after all he was twenty years old.This young man entered the school with several weapons, 1 of which was an AR-15 rifle, the others were 9mm semi auto handguns. All of the weapons were purchased by his mother then stolen from her and in fact, used to kill her.
Why would it puzzle you that the focus of the gun issue seems to be on the semi auto "military style" weapon, and large capacity magazines after all that is what has been used in all these mass killings and I think you'll find the majority of people believe they shouldn't be available to the public. To say that you don't hear of terrorists using hand guns, or even small arms, they use explosives only strengthens the point of the availability of the assault weapon ( the perpetrators of theses mass killing don't use explosives because there not available.) As you say these are military style" weapons. These weapons should be used to defend the country by military personnel and that's who should have access not the public.What puzzles me is the focus of the gun issue seems to be on the semi auto "military style" weapon, and large capacity magazines.
It seems to me that if you were the type that wanted to "do harm" to large numbers of innocents, all of the above weapons would be a "poor choice". You don't hear of terrorists using hand guns, or even small arms, they use explosives or airplanes.
I agree that this particular incident could not have been avoided and will not be prevented in the future with the proposed gun control laws, all we can hope is that it slows it down.this particular incident could not have been avoided and will not be prevented with the proposed gun control laws
Yea it's called PANIC. Everybody's in fear of losing there gun rights, there going to take our guns away (Please) That will never happen and no body's saying any such thing. The thing is what is happening that there some stores Like Dick's Sporting Goods that have pulled all there assault rifles off the shelves and will no longer take part in selling those type of weapons and I think you'll find there will be others that will follow, they didn't need the Government to say there banned to take what they saw as the appropriate action.If you think I'm "off the wall" here. I would answer by asking you to look into the sale of these "assault rifles" and the relevant ammo over the past ten years and over the past ten days.