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Should have at least gotten the U.S. citizens out before you pull out U.S. Troops.
I read the Afghan military *had* 186,000 active "troops".... while "experts" figure close to 80,000 taliban troops in afghanistan, total.
With the help of an online calculator, that comes to 93 Afghan troops for every 4 taliban fighters...
 

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First you may have misplace a decimal as I come up 9.3 to 4 or 2.325 to 1 with the figures you gave.

The problem Scrub was those US citizens were among some the most stubborn ones when came to having to leave until was so late. They are like Trump supporters that will not consider anything other what their leader says even if it is proven wrong. Everyone got to willing to reason or things like this happens.

As for the number of Afghans troops vs the Taliban troops. It appears most of the Afghan troops were just in it for the money and not willing put their lives on the line when needed where the Taliban were willing to put their lives on the line for their cause. The Afghans were well armed but just wasn't willing to fight for their side. If the all Afghans civilians would just stand up to Taliban things could be different but they got to be willing to die for their cause too.

The problem was and is still is the Afghans wants others to do their fighting for them while they sit back reap the benefits.

One good thing might come of this is that we have to go back in we will know the equipment we up against as it is our own so we know its weaknesses and strong points. And we probably will have go back in.
 

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And think the Tennessee flooding death toll is climbing.
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Yes but it is not a case of forming 2 strait lines on the field of honour and charging towards each other to the beat of the drummer.
Afghanistan is a big place with lots of steep mountain passes very little in the way of safe fast high traffic volume roads and no railway .
Most of those troops were stationed around Kabul and presidential palaces .
And as said before without the air support the regulars were sitting ducks
Add to that the regulars had everything to live for while the Taliban had everything to die for .
The West ( and that includes OZ ) should have been training helicoper & air to ground fighter pilots and supplying aircraft.
No shortage of obsolete aircraft but helicopters area bit tricky to fly due to the thinner air and massive thermals .
The government was even more corrupt than the Shar of Iran's administration so there was little public faith in it .
And add to that the very strong tribalism of the local warlords who never really were part of the government .
The Afghan's by and large do not see themselves as Afghan's rather they identify with their local tribal cultures so the country was never really united. There are better than 100 tribal groupings speaking around 60 different languages.
It is exactly the same situation as in Arabia , Iraqe , Iran , Syria etc etc etc peoples who do not see themselves as a nation being told by others that they are now a country.
And remember the Taliban came from the Mujahideen who successfully tossed out the Russians and before the West armed them with modern weapons they were quite successful against the British using hand made rifles with black powder & shot , not much more soficticated then the weaponary of the civil war .
The population by and large resented the government & the US troops that supported them which is most evident by the prevelance of IED's .
The locals would have seen them being laid so were either too scared to do anything about it or supported the actions .

For the people living a few miles from the capital cities, nothing had changed.
They had been promised a new modern Afghanistan but 5 miles from most capital cities, no roads, no water , no sewerage , no electricity , no phones , no police , no courts, no garbage collection, no schools , no medical care & no jobs apart from being in the army.
The western troops came in & burned the opium crops then told the farmers to grow food , but failed to protect the said same farmers who had been paid up front by the Taliban ( & others ) to grow opium .
IT is a mess and will probably go the same way as it did with the last Taliban government where as soon as the Russians left started fighting between each other because
" the enemy of my enemy is my friend so long as my enemy remains their enemy ".
The old disputes between Afghanistan & Pakistan will start to flare up again because like Turkey & the Kurds, the border cuts a 1/3 off the Pashtun homeland & the Pashtun's see themselves as Pashtun's , not Pakistani's or Afghans they speak their own language and practice a pre modern Islam called Pashtunwali .
So once the US is gone they will start to form seperatist movements from Pakistan probably aided by the Indians .

As an aside the word khaki comes from Pashtun which means "of the earth" and the British army officially changed from their red coats to khaki drab during their occupation of Afghanistan
because the tribal warriours had no problem seeing them & shooting the commanding officers who could easily be distinguished from the general troops .
 

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No he wasn't vaccinated. He once said he had less than a 1% of getting the virus.

And here in Tennessee like Alabama most of the population associate with the Republican party. Personally I am a true independent voter, I don't vote along party lines just because I don't associate with any particular party. I do my research and vote whomever I think can do the best job.

But I can honestly says that the Republicans have made it hard for me to vote for their candidates with all the lies being told. Its just like a bunch brats fighting over a cookie. Right now I would rather vote for a rattlesnake instead of any of political candidates. At least I know what it going to do.

As for the US civilians in Afghanistan they should of had their backsides out a long time ago. They knew we were pulling out a long time before it happen fully. There is nothing like being stupid by voluntarily living in a war zone. That was their choice and now they want us to save their backsides because their stupidity.

It just like someone that has a tornado, hurricane, fire, or flood barrelling down on them that waits to the very last second to try to get to safety. They know it coming but refuse to move until it is too late.
But I can honestly says that the Republicans have made it hard for me to vote for their candidates with all the lies being told. Its just like a bunch brats fighting over a cookie. Right now I would rather vote for a rattlesnake instead of any of political candidates. At least I know what it going to do.

And what would those lies be. Do you like the higher gas prices, taxes, higher food prices and inflation the Biden administration has bestowed upon. Oh yes and all the thousands of job he destroyed by shutting do the Keystone Pipeline. Not to mention the debacle at the border. They want to mask us and shoot us up again and do nothing about the illegals at the border bringing this virus in on us and Biden is spreading it all over the country by shipping illegals' all over the country. Not even telling the governors about. Governor Lee told Biden he did not want them but we got then anyway shipped in here in the dark of the night. I will take Trump and his MAGA agenda any day.
 

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But I can honestly says that the Republicans have made it hard for me to vote for their candidates with all the lies being told. Its just like a bunch brats fighting over a cookie. Right now I would rather vote for a rattlesnake instead of any of political candidates. At least I know what it going to do.

And what would those lies be. Do you like the higher gas prices, taxes, higher food prices and inflation the Biden administration has bestowed upon. Oh yes and all the thousands of job he destroyed by shutting do the Keystone Pipeline. Not to mention the debacle at the border. They want to mask us and shoot us up again and do nothing about the illegals at the border bringing this virus in on us and Biden is spreading it all over the country by shipping illegals' all over the country. Not even telling the governors about. Governor Lee told Biden he did not want them but we got then anyway shipped in here in the dark of the night. I will take Trump and his MAGA agenda any day.
I miss filling up shop gas cans for less than $2.50 a gallon.
 

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And what would those lies be.
Two of them was the $1200 and $600 checks that Trump and the Republicans promised that I have yet to see. And another one where Trump had illegals working for him but claiming he didn't until he got caught.

And I haven't even seen the $1400 check either. They said file your 1040 and you get what is owed. Like Heck you will. I should have never invested the promised money in new stock for my business. Never will I trust the word of a politician ever again. Well they probably going to bitch like heck when I file the 1040 this coming year and don't send in a payment.

And as for gas prices I drove by a Fayetteville Shell station here that had 0.009 gas today. I wish I had my camera with me. Can't get much lower than a penny a gallon.

And that death toll is now 21.
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You must have been a really bad boy I got mine. Please verify the gas prices so we all can see them I think something like that would make national news if not at least state news. What state are you in Tn. or NC.
 

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Victorina Morales, Morales, who reportedly crossed the American border illegally in 1999, she didn’t have proper documentation, and she used false Social Security and permanent resident cards.
 
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