What do you think

[Ric]

This is going to be the difficult part.
Education, laws, licences, tougher port control to stop illegal import of firearms and supermarkets to stop selling guns and bullets.
Probably whats going on now but maybe tougher.
I know its very difficult and glad im not the decision maker.

Everything from the second line in your post is already in place but as far as for stopping the sale of guns and ammo I don't agree with. I do believe the sale of assault rifles needs to be banned, large capacity magazines things like that shouldn't be available to the public.

There are those who believe that there should be more guns (carry weapons) be aloud in schools and churches in fact the Governor of Michigan has a bill on his desk waiting to be signed to do just that at this very moment. Good Idea or Bad Idea. Will he sign it or not who knows.

 

[Carscw]

A small city just west of me has a law that every homeowner MUST have a gun in the house.
There is no crime. Your house does not get broke into. Your thing in your yard are safe.
You know if you try and rob a store you will be shot.

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[combatcarl]

Everything from the second line in your post is already in place but as far as for stopping the sale of guns and ammo I don't agree with. I do believe the sale of assault rifles needs to be banned, large capacity magazines things like that shouldn't be available to the public.

There are those who believe that there should be more guns (carry weapons) be aloud in schools and churches in fact the Governor of Michigan has a bill on his desk waiting to be signed to do just that at this very moment. Good Idea or Bad Idea. Will he sign it or not who knows.

Ok, but if we're going to ban things, let's ban other unneeded things. Let's govern all cars to 60 MPH. Let's ban high horsepower vehicles. They're dangerous, and people hurt themselves and others with them. We'll ban cars because people without license or insurance can still get them and drive them. See? It doesn't make any sense.

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[Ric]

Ok, but if we're going to ban things, let's ban other unneeded things. Let's govern all cars to 60 MPH. Let's ban high horsepower vehicles. They're dangerous, and people hurt themselves and others with them. We'll ban cars because people without license or insurance can still get them and drive them. See? It doesn't make any sense.

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I don't think it's a case of unneeded things. It's more like maybe being practical. Don't get me wrong. I'm not anti gun, I own six different guns and a few other weapons but were talking about a weapon that was designed and manufactured by Sig Sauer or some other company to be used by the military in war time and would serve no purpose for the home owner.

I think the thing that really bothers me is the fact that the Ban there proposing would not have changed the outcome in Newtown Conn. or any other mass killings that have ever taken place in the past, present and future, so what's the sense.

 

[combatcarl]

Exactly. If we end up with a ban on high cap mags, I'd like to see everyone held to it, including law enforcement. There's no hi cap mags out in the public then, so why would law enforcement have a need? Or why would they need AR15s? They would say for defense. But are common civilians not worthy of better defending themselves? I'm ok with background checks across the board, but we have to find a way to log the headcases who shouldn't possess. Without throwing vets with combat related issues under the bus. That's what terrifies me. Being ruled "unfit" to own firearms, simply because I may have some residual stress from my military time. I took an oath once, and would never misplace the faith that the people of this country placed in me, by harming someone outside of defending myself or my family, or other innocents. We need nut control.

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[ILENGINE]

Everything from the second line in your post is already in place but as far as for stopping the sale of guns and ammo I don't agree with. I do believe the sale of assault rifles needs to be banned, large capacity magazines things like that shouldn't be available to the public.QUOTE]

The assault weapons (term actually coined by Adolph Hitler) that they want to ban are semi-auto, not the full auto, selective fire weapons(required to meet the definitition of an assault weapon) required used by the military. Does a .223 AR15 have more killing power than .223 varmint rifle? Or does a collapsible stock increase the deadliness of the same rifle with a fixed stock.

The guns they want to ban are based on what they look like, not how they function. Thirty round magazines for AR15 are more likely to have malfunctions than standard 20 round capacity magazines. Some politicians want to ban 17 round magazines for the glock, which is a standard capacity magazine for that handgun.

I can take my standard Ruger 10/22 rifle and replace the stock with a folding or collapsible stock, and that would make it an assault rifle under the media's description of an assault rifle. Just changing the appearance shouldn't make one rifle ok and the other one banned.

I am not even sure that the current proposed ban would even meet constitution muster under Heller/Mcdonald. Which stated that you cannot ban arms in common use. There are like 15 million AR15's nationwide and growing daily. If that doesn't meet the requirement of common use then I don't know what would.

The truth is the last assault weapons ban that ended in 2004 is what started the current AR15 craze, and didn't change the number of mass murders. AR15's weren't banned, just certain features like a flash hider, and collapsible stock, or bayonet lug.

 

[jakewells]

we had a incident in high school a few years ago i was there i was senior. a student threatened a few students and teachers and one kid overpowered the guy with the gun took away his gun and kept him held down till police arrived on scene. it happened fast too nobody got hurt but the kid got 12 yrs in county prison.

 

[Bison]

Adults are always the problem.
Games, music, films etc have ratings.
Why do "adults" allow kids to watch or play these things?
I used to play grand theft auto and pretend to run people over but would never allow my kids to do this till they were aged enough at the rating and understand it.Iv got some friends that allow there 7 year old to play and say its fine.

Thank the Lord they took your guns away,..you was nuts back then allready

 

[Bison]

I havent got a problem with anybodys point of view and fully respect any of them as we live in a "free"
World to say what we want (within reason).
Yes chainsaws should have licences aswell.
I still cant believe that in this day and age anybody can go to a supermarket and buy something as dangerous as a saw.
We have the "right" to drive a car once we have past a "test".
Thats what guns should have as well.
Yes anybody may be able to aquire firearms illegally but lets make it harder.
Just had a documentary on with america having 50% of the worlds firearms with only 5% of worlds population. Something wrong.
Why do 10% of women in America own a firearm?
America is one hell of a scary place!!!

Hee Pug, i live in bear,cougar,wolf country, how do i protect myself,my family or mij livestock against those if need be if i can't have a gun.:confused2:
Do you think a hammer will help?

 

[Ric]

Hee Pug, i live in bear,cougar,wolf country, how do i protect myself,my family or mij livestock against those if need be if i can't have a gun.:confused2:
Do you think a hammer will help?

Well to start with Nobody said you can't have a gun. Lets think about this, seeing were on a lawn forum I'll use this as an example. I'm a homeowner with 1/8 acre to mow and I need a mower, do I run down to the shop and buy a 60" commercial ztr? answer of course not I buy a 22" self propelled push.

Do you need an AR 223 bushmaster to shoot at bear, cougar, wolf or to protect your livestock? Do you need a 9mm Glock with a forty shot clip and a silencer to protect your family, I don't think so.

The problem with people is there wants over shadow there needs, it's called overkill and I think that's what the Government looking at nothing more.

As I said before I'm a gun owner, I own pistols, shotguns and a rifle or two but lets get real my 40 cal Glock at my beside at night is very sufficient I don't believe you need something like this for protection. BTW the photo below isn't mine, I borrowed the photo from a gun forum, I hope they don't mind.