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But don't they like trying to buy the cheapest thing they can.

Yes when in the business of repairs there is a steep learning curve on belts. Like the back idler bend. Hustler mower drives especially requires a cog belt due that two inch backside idler.

And yes most auto parts stores don't even have a belt measuring tool in house either. Advance Auto Parts thought I was nuts for buying one. But it has gotten me out more trouble with belts than the vendors have. Also pisses off those that sends the wrong size belts. I had Stens to tell me the tool was useless. Then I ask them a simple question that they could not answer. That was "Why do you then sell the tool in the first place?" Now of mine has three extensions on it now and hoping not have to add another extension.

At least I got lucky enough to have two Husqvarna and MTD distributors. What surprises me it that most of Husqvarna belt from the distributors are cheaper than the generics. MTD not so much as they fairly unique belts.
 

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But don't they like trying to buy the cheapest thing they can.

Yes when in the business of repairs there is a steep learning curve on belts. Like the back idler bend. Hustler mower drives especially requires a cog belt due that two inch backside idler.

And yes most auto parts stores don't even have a belt measuring tool in house either. Advance Auto Parts thought I was nuts for buying one. But it has gotten me out more trouble with belts than the vendors have. Also pisses off those that sends the wrong size belts. I had Stens to tell me the tool was useless. Then I ask them a simple question that they could not answer. That was "Why do you then sell the tool in the first place?" Now of mine has three extensions on it now and hoping not have to add another extension.

At least I got lucky enough to have two Husqvarna and MTD distributors. What surprises me it that most of Husqvarna belt from the distributors are cheaper than the generics. MTD not so much as they fairly unique belts.


Belts can be a real pain. Getting the correct size, researching and finding the correct size, running around town buying belts or ordering them online.

Rarely do customers supply their own belt when I install it. I highly encourage them to let me get the correct belt.

It is amazing how many belts over the course of time that need to be removed and replaced.

Then sometimes, you experience idler pulleys that are out of line height wise, bearings, tensioner idlers, spindles, springs that are bad.

Drive belts on some riding mowers can be really fun to install. I have improved a lot on belts, but still not my favorite thing to do.
 

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One of the problems with belts is the size indicated is not always the size you receive. Some get mislabel and others are just label wrong intentionally.

Example: A&I (Sunbelts) which I was a dealer for 10 years toward the end of my selling and using got to where most of the 1/2" belt where nearly one inch short and the 5/8" were nearly two inches short. And I have received a couple belt from Stens that were one inch longer than spec'd. I have even had problems with JD OEM belts being out of spec. And yes I have received Gates belt too out of spec.

This why I now measure all new belts in house with my 200 inch v-belt measuring tool. So far the PIX line is what they say they are.
I have seen too many Pix that that just work good quality as far as longevity. The OEM belts would last for well over a decade and sometimes two and the Pix about would work well enough but wouldn't even last 2 to 3 years.
Probably by design. This is quite long enough to make the average consumer who doesn't know any better think they're 12 to $20 belt was an okay purchase when in reality they could have spent 6 to 10 dollars more and had a lasting three times as long.
 

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But don't they like trying to buy the cheapest thing they can.

Yes when in the business of repairs there is a steep learning curve on belts. Like the back idler bend. Hustler mower drives especially requires a cog belt due that two inch backside idler.

And yes most auto parts stores don't even have a belt measuring tool in house either. Advance Auto Parts thought I was nuts for buying one. But it has gotten me out more trouble with belts than the vendors have. Also pisses off those that sends the wrong size belts. I had Stens to tell me the tool was useless. Then I ask them a simple question that they could not answer. That was "Why do you then sell the tool in the first place?" Now of mine has three extensions on it now and hoping not have to add another extension.

At least I got lucky enough to have two Husqvarna and MTD distributors. What surprises me it that most of Husqvarna belt from the distributors are cheaper than the generics. MTD not so much as they fairly unique belts.
I've been using that belt measuring device since at least 1988 but I got a part-time job in an Autoworks.
It does work quite well for measuring but unfortunately it's the quality of the belts that I have more of a problem with so I stopped using anything but OEM unless it's just like on a front-wheel drive Toro 22 in or so or craftsman front wheel drive which are just so easy to replace it's no big deal.

Before that belt measuring tool a piece of clothesline was about the next best substitute but even with that when measuring something you would often end up trying to or three bells before you got the right one.
Did a lot of car work back then and deleting AC compressor etc before they made kits for it so we had to come up with her own routing and belt lengths.
 

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That's funny... what do they have to gain by doing this?

Or, is this just folks educated in the public school system?
Well with my case with A&I it was that I pre-ordered up to an year before I actually used them. I keep having fitment problems that when I brought the tool. I found over $2000 in stock belts that were short. A&I refuse make them up. After that on every order I would measure the belts as soon as they arrived. I returned so many that they got to refusing to make even the newly received belts. It was especially with the "Made in India" belts so I simple stop ordering belts from A&I. Then started sending other defective parts. I went ordering over $4K in a year to under $500. I finally completely dropped my A&I dealership last year. Can't keep losing money just to make A&I look good.
 

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That's funny... what do they have to gain by doing this?

Or, is this just folks educated in the public school system?
Mower belts direct from the factory come in scanes or bales with nothing on them to identify them ( MTD is the exception )
Then they go usually to a sheltered workshop to get the name & size put on the belt
And this is probably where the mis sizing originates

And you can keep your racist ? comments to yourself .
Generally government education is far superiour to privet schools because their efforts go into educating the students and not getting students to ace tests .In my first year of University the student s who had the most difficulty were those from the very wealthy schools and they were all top 10 in the state in the final and the bulk were plain dumb .
Lots of answers in their skulls but not a single one could actually think

Trump went to a private school and look where that got him 9 bankrupted businesses , 3 of which were casinos, I mean how can you go broke running a casino ?
And now 91 indictments with another 49 awaiting the results of those 91
 

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Mower belts direct from the factory come in scanes or bales with nothing on them to identify them ( MTD is the exception )
Then they go usually to a sheltered workshop to get the name & size put on the belt
And this is probably where the mis sizing originates

And you can keep your racist ? comments to yourself .
Generally government education is far superiour to privet schools because their efforts go into educating the students and not getting students to ace tests .In my first year of University the student s who had the most difficulty were those from the very wealthy schools and they were all top 10 in the state in the final and the bulk were plain dumb .
Lots of answers in their skulls but not a single one could actually think

Trump went to a private school and look where that got him 9 bankrupted businesses , 3 of which were casinos, I mean how can you go broke running a casino ?
And now 91 indictments with another 49 awaiting the results of those 91
There was nothing racist about his statement at all.
Opinionated- yes. Negative and derogatory towards a public school system (US I'm assuming)..... but not racist.
If we're going to be accurate and specific in our discussions about parts, specifications, belt size etc then we also should be accurate with our use of words describing other things.
This racism, or racist term is often used as too broad of a stroke and often quite an accurately.

Another thing that we seem to continually run into and this forum is the fact that things are different in Australia than in the US.
I will default back to some of my previous statements or maybe they were questions -- what percentage of the members of this group or at least the ones who have actively posted in the past 2 years are from the US?
What percentage are from Australia?

The burden of explanation or whatever you want to call it is always going to be on you if there is something different that you have experienced or you want to explain something that is simply different in australia, or anyone else's area, that in the majority of the way most others in this forum experience it.
It might not be right for everyone to assume and it might be annoying to have to continually point it out but that's just the well it is.

Going back to that example, I will have to say that I have no idea about the public versus private school system in a place in the world let's say like Europe or more specifically just England.
I could make some guesses and assumption but I don't know how the two compare.
I do know that in the US it is common knowledge that the vast majority of the public school systems have a lot of issues and are not up to par and typically lag quite behind private schools.
This certainly is not to say that they are not private schools that suck also.

I we'll also assume that the trend of private schools being superior or considered superior to public school systems occurs in more places than just the US.

If someone is somewhere that this is not the case or it is actually reversed, or even equal let's say, then the logical burden is on them to point this out.
They should not be offended by the factual statements made about other areas or other entire countries.
No reason to have any chips on anyone's shoulders due to things that are absolutely true or even stereotypes that also contain a lot of truth.

I'm glad these things get pointed out though as the differences because this is why I like open discussions and letting conversations go where they want because - people learn things!

Most of us live in one country or even one place for most or all of our lives and we tend to have a very narrow focus or even realization of anything about the rest of the world.
It's easy and a logical trap to fall into thinking it's about the same everywhere so it's good when we had discussions and can let people know of how certain things are different and sometimes completely different than what they think is normal everywhere.

No reason for people to take it offensively or get upset about how other say things.
For instance, in the US, we have been poking fun at rednecks for a long time.
It's usually more of a southern state thing or sometimes just more rural area and people just all the time.
Very few take it offensively and some (often those who certainly fit some of the stereotypes) really embrace it. 😆
 

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One problem is when they get out of school they think they know it all so they get on the lazy side. Plus drug and alcohol usage has a lot to do with it. I got a few customers that are so lazy they will not even their engine oil level before use. I don't mind taking their money when they blow up an engine.
 

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There was nothing racist about his statement at all.
Opinionated- yes. Negative and derogatory towards a public school system (US I'm assuming)..... but not racist.
If we're going to be accurate and specific in our discussions about parts, specifications, belt size etc then we also should be accurate with our use of words describing other things.
This racism, or racist term is often used as too broad of a stroke and often quite an accurately.

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I we'll also assume that the trend of private schools being superior or considered superior to public school systems occurs in more places than just the US.

If someone is somewhere that this is not the case or it is actually reversed, or even equal let's say, then the logical burden is on them to point this out.
They should not be offended by the factual statements made about other areas or other entire countries.
No reason to have any chips on anyone's shoulders due to things that are absolutely true or even stereotypes that also contain a lot of truth.

I'm glad these things get pointed out though as the differences because this is why I like open discussions and letting conversations go where they want because - people learn things!

Most of us live in one country or even one place for most or all of our lives and we tend to have a very narrow focus or even realization of anything about the rest of the world.
It's easy and a logical trap to fall into thinking it's about the same everywhere so it's good when we had discussions and can let people know of how certain things are different and sometimes completely different than what they think is normal everywhere.

No reason for people to take it offensively or get upset about how other say things.
For instance, in the US, we have been poking fun at rednecks for a long time.
It's usually more of a southern state thing or sometimes just more rural area and people just all the time.
Very few take it offensively and some (often those who certainly fit some of the stereotypes) really embrace it. 😆
I will stand admonished, I should have said elitist although elitism & racism often go hand in hand
And yes I did go to a public school, by choice I did get a scholarship to a very wealthy elite Anglican high school .
Their alumni has a large number of leaders of industry many of which were all convicted of pedophilia , in closed courts of course because nice rich business leaders do not do those sort of things although 42 of 48 were convicted .So then the school had a new honour board made removing those names .
And as mentioned I had to coach my entire tutorial group who were all rich snobs, till they needed help to pass enough exams to remain in university. All of them could rattle off answers to any matriculation question, but not a single one could think and one even got his father to attempt to have the engineering drawing changed from 3rd angle to first angle because he could understand the concept of planar projection. So all he had learned was rich people can bribe their way to get whatever they want . And I might add that this kid drove a Jaguar that daddy bought him as a graduation present and some how managed to get on campus parking some thing that most staff could not get .
The longest serving Prime Minister John Howard in this country went the Birrong Boys High, a government school .
The second longest serving Prime Minister & also best PM we have ever had, Bob Hawke also went to a state school, then to a state university where he won a Rhodes scholarship
Yes and we are happy to jibe each other but some inferences are plain wicked .
Public schools have to take every student in their footprint thus they do get a high proportion of students with learning difficulties but if any of them leave without a proper education then that is a fault of the system not the students
And of all of the people I have worked with over the years Americans by and large have been the worst educated , including university graduates , which of course is a problem of the US system of school governance
How many people on this list can understand a simple DC mower wiring diagram ?
Star must go crazy trying to get people to understand simple wiring that should be taught to 12 year olds .
 
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