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#1

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kawabob1

Hi all, I am looking for a recommendation for a belt that will last for my DYT 4000 with the snowblower attachment. Not sure of the belt number. Appears to be a 5/8 x 114. I have tried a few non oem and had dismal results with stretching to the point they fall off or shred. If you happen to know the model # for the belt that would be great. Any help would be appreciated.


#2

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Rivets

If you would happen to know the model number of the blower it would greatly help your cause. The good techs on this forum hate to guess, like you, about belt sixes. We look up part numbers and then make recommendations. If you are shredding belts, you need to find out the reason why. Bad pulley, misaligned pulleys, bad auger bearings, improper belt alignment, etc. can all shorten the belt life. Before you blame belt material, make sure you check everything else.


#3

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kawabob1

where would one find the model number on the blower?


#4

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Rivets

Most have an ID tag on the blower or the manual.


#5

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kawabob1

Most have an ID tag on the blower or the manual.
I bought it used so no manual and I have crawled arounf the thing and came up empty. Thank you though.


#6

Tiger Small Engine

Tiger Small Engine

I bought it used so no manual and I have crawled arounf the thing and came up empty. Thank you though.


If you cannot find a model number in order to know correct belt size, then it is a pure guessing game on belt size. Along with looking at condition of pulleys, etc. you need to be sure the belt is tracking straight on an even plane. How is the belt tension (deflection) at the longest point halfway between pulleys? Is the belt riding correctly in the pulley grooves? How long does the belt last new when installed before it shreds? Does it break in one spot mainly, or tear apart in multiple areas?


#7

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kawabob1

Thanks Tiger, my question is with these questions what are the answers? Regarding deflection, what should it be? I have had the belt that came with the machine last 3 Maine winters while others have lasted less than one storm before they stretched so much they could no longer be used. What I am really asking here is a recommendation for a good belt not so much the reasons why the belt may fail. It is too darn cold right now in Maine to be crawling around on the ground. I can deal with replacing pulleys if need be when it warms back up. I understand this is short sighted but thats what it is for now.


#8

StarTech

StarTech

Question are you using Poly belts or Kevlar belts. Poly belt are known for stretching more than 5% as where Kevlars usually has about a 1% stretch factor. And you may have to good 1/2-1 shorter due to pulley wear.


#9

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kawabob1

Question are you using Poly belts or Kevlar belts. Poly belt are known for stretching more than 5% as where Kevlars usually has about a 1% stretch factor. And you may have to good 1/2-1 shorter due to pulley wear.
The ad said kevlar but I really don't think there was kevlar in it as the belt was very stretchy. I did not account for pulley wear, that would mean I could be down to 5/8 x 113" belt.


#10

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Rivets

Please don’t replace any belts until you go through everything I asked you to check in post #2. If you don’t, you may regret it.


#11

Tiger Small Engine

Tiger Small Engine

Please don’t replace any belts until you go through everything I asked you to check in post #2. If you don’t, you may regret it.
A good Kevlar belt (often blue in color) will last for several years. Belt deflection should be minimal at about 1/2” to 1” at longest point between pulleys. Even a cheap belt will last longer than what you a describing, so chances are high that until the real issue(s) is fixed, you will continue to put new belts on it.


#12

StarTech

StarTech

https://www.vbeltsupply.com/media/wysiwyg/guides/Trouble-Shooting-Guide-V-Belts-Failure.pdf

Also you check the Sheaves (pulleys) with a sheave gauge tool like the Gates 7401-0014, SAE gauges. Finding a set is the problem as few are ever ordered, Techs are just too lazy to use them.
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#13

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bertsmobile1

A good Kevlar belt (often blue in color) will last for several years. Belt deflection should be minimal at about 1/2” to 1” at longest point between pulleys. Even a cheap belt will last longer than what you a describing, so chances are high that until the real issue(s) is fixed, you will continue to put new belts on it.
Pix are blue , Gates L & G are green, Gates fractional Hp are brown ( both kevlar ) , Sunbelts were white or creamish .


#14

StarTech

StarTech

May have change some here. Pix that are in even inch sizes are Red. Sunbelt in even inch sizes are usually Blue. I sold Sunbelt for over ten years as a dealer.

But the cloth coverings can vary in color so it is important to lookup the belt specs. As for Sunbelt (A&I) Oem Kevlar spec'd belts can be Brown for MTD and White/Cream for AYP or even black for some of the JD belts.

Over the years I learned not to just go by the color but by actual belt specs. And with especially Sunbelt (A&I) can go by what is printed on the belts either. That's why I have 200 inch v-belt measuring tool.


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Mrmahovy

Hi all, I am looking for a recommendation for a belt that will last for my DYT 4000 with the snowblower attachment. Not sure of the belt number. Appears to be a 5/8 x 114. I have tried a few non oem and had dismal results with stretching to the point they fall off or shred. If you happen to know the model # for the belt that would be great. Any help would be appreciated.
www.vbeltsupply.com carries all types and various ranges of standard and heavy duty, along with a fantastic cross reference info. Good prices and quick delivery. Have bought numerous belts over the last 15 yrs for Craftsmen, Cub, and Toro.


#16

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Jimmy the Lock

Yeah so what BRAND makes the longest lasting belts? clueless-scratching.gif


#17

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Jack17

Hi Kawabob1,
Your AYP made mower aka Craftsman 917,xxx,xxxx has, if I remember correctly, 1/2" x 93 1/2" deck belt. You've stated in your #1 OP post that you're using something non-OME that is 5/8" by XXX" in size. Check that and make sure that it is, without any doubt a 5/8" in size. Personally, I'd doubt that because if your deck belt starts with 1/2" so is/must be the snow blower belt. Second thing I'd like you to verify is that you're not just using any non-OEM belt for your replacement. Keep in mind that an ordinary V-belts, such as the ones used for wall exhaust fans, cement mixers, etc., don't bend backwards as the lawn mower belts do. Despite the fact that there are of the same size are not interchangeable! Lastly, try to find the 917.xxx xxx model number on your mower and maybe we can match it with the exact snow blow you have, and, consequently, get you the exact belt info you're ISO?


#18

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Mad_mat222

Im a commercial operator and during our wet season could chew a belt in less than an hour if I wasn’t careful. During peak of Covid they were charging $130aud a belt. I then started selling my own. From my experience and feedback it’s usually operator error or wear and tear. Let’s just assume you are not pushing the machine too hard and engaging the pto at the correct rpm range.

And before we go on most belts don’t “stretch” to the point of effecting operation. As already mention check your pulleys. Compare to a new one. Belts sit in the groove in a friction fit. With the amount of dust and grit floating around it’s a wonder they last as long is they do.

A lot of decks on less commercial machines don’t use bearing for things like idler arms pivots. These “pull through” the deck. I’ve never understood why they dont use bearings on a moving part that can’t be greased and is metal on metal. The tension spring also loses tension over time. These two are usually the culprit. A new belt has enough grip too last a couple of hours before it starts to slip.

My experience is that for the most part, the only difference between an OEM belt and a generic option is about half the price.


#19

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TobyU

Pix are blue , Gates L & G are green, Gates fractional Hp are brown ( both kevlar ) , Sunbelts were white or creamish .
And not a one of them are as good as an MTD belt. Don't like the company but they have great belts. John Deere even better.
Craftsman/Husqvarna are decent but not as good.
They 4000 was probably made by AYP/Husqvarna with a 917.....model number so you probably can't find a MTD to meet size spec.


#20

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Jimmy the Lock

One would think kevlar would be the longest lasting.

How many years do belts typically last?


#21

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TobyU

One would think kevlar would be the longest lasting.

How many years do belts typically last?
Kevlar is just a word to these manufacturers -at least some.
Aramid is another.
The quality and even correct size and cut angles on sides etc varies a lot by brands.
The longevity also varies greatly.
-- A 5/8 x 102 Kevlar belt is not the same as every other 5/8 x 102 Kevlar belt.


#22

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Jimmy the Lock

Sounds like buying new belts... is a crap shoot.

That's too bad.

I figured someone on the forum has had good service from a particular brand and would be confident in recommending that brand based on their past experiences.


#23

StarTech

StarTech

One would think kevlar would be the longest lasting.

How many years do belts typically last?
That should how many hours due usage levels.


#24

Hammermechanicman

Hammermechanicman

One would think kevlar would be the longest lasting.

How many years do belts typically last?
All depends. The fan belt on my 1975 IH 184 is still the original and so is the drive belt on my 1972 Sears ST12. Neither are kevlar covered. I have had JD mowers in the shop 20 years old with original belts and have had 2 year old mowers in the shop with bad belts.


#25

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TobyU

All depends. The fan belt on my 1975 IH 184 is still the original and so is the drive belt on my 1972 Sears ST12. Neither are kevlar covered. I have had JD mowers in the shop 20 years old with original belts and have had 2 year old mowers in the shop with bad belts.
John Deere doesn't make their own belts but whoever makes it for them makes the best belt I've ever seen in the industry.
I have seen 30-year-old belts that were used for that whole time that were still good!
MTD is the number two belts. Just 2 years ago I had a 17-year-old Troy-Bilt come in with the belts cracked and chunks out of them but it was still moving the machine.


#26

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TobyU

Sounds like buying new belts... is a crap shoot.

That's too bad.

I figured someone on the forum has had good service from a particular brand and would be confident in recommending that brand based on their past experiences.
Not if you buy oem.
Buying any aftermarket replacement, even stands, gates, etc is a crapshoot because I have had brand new gates belts that I bought from the local auto parts store with their green coating for a clutched application for outdoor power equipment that did not work properly on the install.
This was on a Craftsman 42-in mower and I removed it and replaced it with a Craftsman / Husqvarna belt and that one worked perfectly and lasted.

So stick with the OEM brand belts from the manufacturer if it's not something archaic or from way out of the area that you can't find and you will have the best results with belts.
Online sales especially Amazon is terrible because they will misrepresent and deceive people making them think it is an oem belt by saying replaces or whatever and when you get it it will not be.


#27

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bertsmobile1

Sounds like buying new belts... is a crap shoot.

That's too bad.

I figured someone on the forum has had good service from a particular brand and would be confident in recommending that brand based on their past experiences.
Gates lawn & garden would be around the best belt money can buy
They are expensive
Mower owners are cheap
No one stocks them so they have to be ordered in .

And then there is storeage
Most workshops store them on hooks around to top of the walls where they are subject to both excessive heat & sunlight .
Like high quality tyres, belts should be stored laid flat in a cool place & out of the sunlight


#28

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TobyU

Gates lawn & garden would be around the best belt money can buy
They are expensive
Mower owners are cheap
No one stocks them so they have to be ordered in .

And then there is storeage
Most workshops store them on hooks around to top of the walls where they are subject to both excessive heat & sunlight .
Like high quality tyres, belts should be stored laid flat in a cool place & out of the sunlight
I've even had problems the couple of the Green Gates belts so even though Gates make some of the best automotive belts in the industry, I would never choose their belts for a lawn mower clutching application over an oem belt.


#29

StarTech

StarTech

One of the problems with belts is the size indicated is not always the size you receive. Some get mislabel and others are just label wrong intentionally.

Example: A&I (Sunbelts) which I was a dealer for 10 years toward the end of my selling and using got to where most of the 1/2" belt where nearly one inch short and the 5/8" were nearly two inches short. And I have received a couple belt from Stens that were one inch longer than spec'd. I have even had problems with JD OEM belts being out of spec. And yes I have received Gates belt too out of spec.

This why I now measure all new belts in house with my 200 inch v-belt measuring tool. So far the PIX line is what they say they are.


#30

Hammermechanicman

Hammermechanicman

Pretty much every non OEM numbered belt customers have purchased and want me to install has been wrong. They have no idea some belts are measured on the inside and some on the outside. A, B, C belts vs 3L, 4L, 5L belts. Clutching vs non clutching application. Different angles. Some belts can't use a backside idler. Raw edge vs covered. High torque industrial vs FHP. I have seen equipment that used both an A series industrial and a 4L FHP belt. One measured on the inside the other on the outside. Some scamazon and fleecebay sellers have no idea exactly what belt they are selling.


#31

StarTech

StarTech

But don't they like trying to buy the cheapest thing they can.

Yes when in the business of repairs there is a steep learning curve on belts. Like the back idler bend. Hustler mower drives especially requires a cog belt due that two inch backside idler.

And yes most auto parts stores don't even have a belt measuring tool in house either. Advance Auto Parts thought I was nuts for buying one. But it has gotten me out more trouble with belts than the vendors have. Also pisses off those that sends the wrong size belts. I had Stens to tell me the tool was useless. Then I ask them a simple question that they could not answer. That was "Why do you then sell the tool in the first place?" Now of mine has three extensions on it now and hoping not have to add another extension.

At least I got lucky enough to have two Husqvarna and MTD distributors. What surprises me it that most of Husqvarna belt from the distributors are cheaper than the generics. MTD not so much as they fairly unique belts.


#32

Tiger Small Engine

Tiger Small Engine

But don't they like trying to buy the cheapest thing they can.

Yes when in the business of repairs there is a steep learning curve on belts. Like the back idler bend. Hustler mower drives especially requires a cog belt due that two inch backside idler.

And yes most auto parts stores don't even have a belt measuring tool in house either. Advance Auto Parts thought I was nuts for buying one. But it has gotten me out more trouble with belts than the vendors have. Also pisses off those that sends the wrong size belts. I had Stens to tell me the tool was useless. Then I ask them a simple question that they could not answer. That was "Why do you then sell the tool in the first place?" Now of mine has three extensions on it now and hoping not have to add another extension.

At least I got lucky enough to have two Husqvarna and MTD distributors. What surprises me it that most of Husqvarna belt from the distributors are cheaper than the generics. MTD not so much as they fairly unique belts.


Belts can be a real pain. Getting the correct size, researching and finding the correct size, running around town buying belts or ordering them online.

Rarely do customers supply their own belt when I install it. I highly encourage them to let me get the correct belt.

It is amazing how many belts over the course of time that need to be removed and replaced.

Then sometimes, you experience idler pulleys that are out of line height wise, bearings, tensioner idlers, spindles, springs that are bad.

Drive belts on some riding mowers can be really fun to install. I have improved a lot on belts, but still not my favorite thing to do.


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TobyU

One of the problems with belts is the size indicated is not always the size you receive. Some get mislabel and others are just label wrong intentionally.

Example: A&I (Sunbelts) which I was a dealer for 10 years toward the end of my selling and using got to where most of the 1/2" belt where nearly one inch short and the 5/8" were nearly two inches short. And I have received a couple belt from Stens that were one inch longer than spec'd. I have even had problems with JD OEM belts being out of spec. And yes I have received Gates belt too out of spec.

This why I now measure all new belts in house with my 200 inch v-belt measuring tool. So far the PIX line is what they say they are.
I have seen too many Pix that that just work good quality as far as longevity. The OEM belts would last for well over a decade and sometimes two and the Pix about would work well enough but wouldn't even last 2 to 3 years.
Probably by design. This is quite long enough to make the average consumer who doesn't know any better think they're 12 to $20 belt was an okay purchase when in reality they could have spent 6 to 10 dollars more and had a lasting three times as long.


#34

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TobyU

But don't they like trying to buy the cheapest thing they can.

Yes when in the business of repairs there is a steep learning curve on belts. Like the back idler bend. Hustler mower drives especially requires a cog belt due that two inch backside idler.

And yes most auto parts stores don't even have a belt measuring tool in house either. Advance Auto Parts thought I was nuts for buying one. But it has gotten me out more trouble with belts than the vendors have. Also pisses off those that sends the wrong size belts. I had Stens to tell me the tool was useless. Then I ask them a simple question that they could not answer. That was "Why do you then sell the tool in the first place?" Now of mine has three extensions on it now and hoping not have to add another extension.

At least I got lucky enough to have two Husqvarna and MTD distributors. What surprises me it that most of Husqvarna belt from the distributors are cheaper than the generics. MTD not so much as they fairly unique belts.
I've been using that belt measuring device since at least 1988 but I got a part-time job in an Autoworks.
It does work quite well for measuring but unfortunately it's the quality of the belts that I have more of a problem with so I stopped using anything but OEM unless it's just like on a front-wheel drive Toro 22 in or so or craftsman front wheel drive which are just so easy to replace it's no big deal.

Before that belt measuring tool a piece of clothesline was about the next best substitute but even with that when measuring something you would often end up trying to or three bells before you got the right one.
Did a lot of car work back then and deleting AC compressor etc before they made kits for it so we had to come up with her own routing and belt lengths.


#35

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Jimmy the Lock

others are just label wrong intentionally.

That's funny... what do they have to gain by doing this?

Or, is this just folks educated in the public school system?


#36

StarTech

StarTech

That's funny... what do they have to gain by doing this?

Or, is this just folks educated in the public school system?
Well with my case with A&I it was that I pre-ordered up to an year before I actually used them. I keep having fitment problems that when I brought the tool. I found over $2000 in stock belts that were short. A&I refuse make them up. After that on every order I would measure the belts as soon as they arrived. I returned so many that they got to refusing to make even the newly received belts. It was especially with the "Made in India" belts so I simple stop ordering belts from A&I. Then started sending other defective parts. I went ordering over $4K in a year to under $500. I finally completely dropped my A&I dealership last year. Can't keep losing money just to make A&I look good.


#37

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bertsmobile1

That's funny... what do they have to gain by doing this?

Or, is this just folks educated in the public school system?
Mower belts direct from the factory come in scanes or bales with nothing on them to identify them ( MTD is the exception )
Then they go usually to a sheltered workshop to get the name & size put on the belt
And this is probably where the mis sizing originates

And you can keep your racist ? comments to yourself .
Generally government education is far superiour to privet schools because their efforts go into educating the students and not getting students to ace tests .In my first year of University the student s who had the most difficulty were those from the very wealthy schools and they were all top 10 in the state in the final and the bulk were plain dumb .
Lots of answers in their skulls but not a single one could actually think

Trump went to a private school and look where that got him 9 bankrupted businesses , 3 of which were casinos, I mean how can you go broke running a casino ?
And now 91 indictments with another 49 awaiting the results of those 91


#38

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TobyU

Mower belts direct from the factory come in scanes or bales with nothing on them to identify them ( MTD is the exception )
Then they go usually to a sheltered workshop to get the name & size put on the belt
And this is probably where the mis sizing originates

And you can keep your racist ? comments to yourself .
Generally government education is far superiour to privet schools because their efforts go into educating the students and not getting students to ace tests .In my first year of University the student s who had the most difficulty were those from the very wealthy schools and they were all top 10 in the state in the final and the bulk were plain dumb .
Lots of answers in their skulls but not a single one could actually think

Trump went to a private school and look where that got him 9 bankrupted businesses , 3 of which were casinos, I mean how can you go broke running a casino ?
And now 91 indictments with another 49 awaiting the results of those 91
There was nothing racist about his statement at all.
Opinionated- yes. Negative and derogatory towards a public school system (US I'm assuming)..... but not racist.
If we're going to be accurate and specific in our discussions about parts, specifications, belt size etc then we also should be accurate with our use of words describing other things.
This racism, or racist term is often used as too broad of a stroke and often quite an accurately.

Another thing that we seem to continually run into and this forum is the fact that things are different in Australia than in the US.
I will default back to some of my previous statements or maybe they were questions -- what percentage of the members of this group or at least the ones who have actively posted in the past 2 years are from the US?
What percentage are from Australia?

The burden of explanation or whatever you want to call it is always going to be on you if there is something different that you have experienced or you want to explain something that is simply different in australia, or anyone else's area, that in the majority of the way most others in this forum experience it.
It might not be right for everyone to assume and it might be annoying to have to continually point it out but that's just the well it is.

Going back to that example, I will have to say that I have no idea about the public versus private school system in a place in the world let's say like Europe or more specifically just England.
I could make some guesses and assumption but I don't know how the two compare.
I do know that in the US it is common knowledge that the vast majority of the public school systems have a lot of issues and are not up to par and typically lag quite behind private schools.
This certainly is not to say that they are not private schools that suck also.

I we'll also assume that the trend of private schools being superior or considered superior to public school systems occurs in more places than just the US.

If someone is somewhere that this is not the case or it is actually reversed, or even equal let's say, then the logical burden is on them to point this out.
They should not be offended by the factual statements made about other areas or other entire countries.
No reason to have any chips on anyone's shoulders due to things that are absolutely true or even stereotypes that also contain a lot of truth.

I'm glad these things get pointed out though as the differences because this is why I like open discussions and letting conversations go where they want because - people learn things!

Most of us live in one country or even one place for most or all of our lives and we tend to have a very narrow focus or even realization of anything about the rest of the world.
It's easy and a logical trap to fall into thinking it's about the same everywhere so it's good when we had discussions and can let people know of how certain things are different and sometimes completely different than what they think is normal everywhere.

No reason for people to take it offensively or get upset about how other say things.
For instance, in the US, we have been poking fun at rednecks for a long time.
It's usually more of a southern state thing or sometimes just more rural area and people just all the time.
Very few take it offensively and some (often those who certainly fit some of the stereotypes) really embrace it. 😆


#39

StarTech

StarTech

One problem is when they get out of school they think they know it all so they get on the lazy side. Plus drug and alcohol usage has a lot to do with it. I got a few customers that are so lazy they will not even their engine oil level before use. I don't mind taking their money when they blow up an engine.


#40

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bertsmobile1

There was nothing racist about his statement at all.
Opinionated- yes. Negative and derogatory towards a public school system (US I'm assuming)..... but not racist.
If we're going to be accurate and specific in our discussions about parts, specifications, belt size etc then we also should be accurate with our use of words describing other things.
This racism, or racist term is often used as too broad of a stroke and often quite an accurately.

Big Snip
I we'll also assume that the trend of private schools being superior or considered superior to public school systems occurs in more places than just the US.

If someone is somewhere that this is not the case or it is actually reversed, or even equal let's say, then the logical burden is on them to point this out.
They should not be offended by the factual statements made about other areas or other entire countries.
No reason to have any chips on anyone's shoulders due to things that are absolutely true or even stereotypes that also contain a lot of truth.

I'm glad these things get pointed out though as the differences because this is why I like open discussions and letting conversations go where they want because - people learn things!

Most of us live in one country or even one place for most or all of our lives and we tend to have a very narrow focus or even realization of anything about the rest of the world.
It's easy and a logical trap to fall into thinking it's about the same everywhere so it's good when we had discussions and can let people know of how certain things are different and sometimes completely different than what they think is normal everywhere.

No reason for people to take it offensively or get upset about how other say things.
For instance, in the US, we have been poking fun at rednecks for a long time.
It's usually more of a southern state thing or sometimes just more rural area and people just all the time.
Very few take it offensively and some (often those who certainly fit some of the stereotypes) really embrace it. 😆
I will stand admonished, I should have said elitist although elitism & racism often go hand in hand
And yes I did go to a public school, by choice I did get a scholarship to a very wealthy elite Anglican high school .
Their alumni has a large number of leaders of industry many of which were all convicted of pedophilia , in closed courts of course because nice rich business leaders do not do those sort of things although 42 of 48 were convicted .So then the school had a new honour board made removing those names .
And as mentioned I had to coach my entire tutorial group who were all rich snobs, till they needed help to pass enough exams to remain in university. All of them could rattle off answers to any matriculation question, but not a single one could think and one even got his father to attempt to have the engineering drawing changed from 3rd angle to first angle because he could understand the concept of planar projection. So all he had learned was rich people can bribe their way to get whatever they want . And I might add that this kid drove a Jaguar that daddy bought him as a graduation present and some how managed to get on campus parking some thing that most staff could not get .
The longest serving Prime Minister John Howard in this country went the Birrong Boys High, a government school .
The second longest serving Prime Minister & also best PM we have ever had, Bob Hawke also went to a state school, then to a state university where he won a Rhodes scholarship
Yes and we are happy to jibe each other but some inferences are plain wicked .
Public schools have to take every student in their footprint thus they do get a high proportion of students with learning difficulties but if any of them leave without a proper education then that is a fault of the system not the students
And of all of the people I have worked with over the years Americans by and large have been the worst educated , including university graduates , which of course is a problem of the US system of school governance
How many people on this list can understand a simple DC mower wiring diagram ?
Star must go crazy trying to get people to understand simple wiring that should be taught to 12 year olds .


#41

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TobyU

I will stand admonished, I should have said elitist although elitism & racism often go hand in hand
And yes I did go to a public school, by choice I did get a scholarship to a very wealthy elite Anglican high school .
Their alumni has a large number of leaders of industry many of which were all convicted of pedophilia , in closed courts of course because nice rich business leaders do not do those sort of things although 42 of 48 were convicted .So then the school had a new honour board made removing those names .
And as mentioned I had to coach my entire tutorial group who were all rich snobs, till they needed help to pass enough exams to remain in university. All of them could rattle off answers to any matriculation question, but not a single one could think and one even got his father to attempt to have the engineering drawing changed from 3rd angle to first angle because he could understand the concept of planar projection. So all he had learned was rich people can bribe their way to get whatever they want . And I might add that this kid drove a Jaguar that daddy bought him as a graduation present and some how managed to get on campus parking some thing that most staff could not get .
The longest serving Prime Minister John Howard in this country went the Birrong Boys High, a government school .
The second longest serving Prime Minister & also best PM we have ever had, Bob Hawke also went to a state school, then to a state university where he won a Rhodes scholarship
Yes and we are happy to jibe each other but some inferences are plain wicked .
Public schools have to take every student in their footprint thus they do get a high proportion of students with learning difficulties but if any of them leave without a proper education then that is a fault of the system not the students
And of all of the people I have worked with over the years Americans by and large have been the worst educated , including university graduates , which of course is a problem of the US system of school governance
How many people on this list can understand a simple DC mower wiring diagram ?
Star must go crazy trying to get people to understand simple wiring that should be taught to 12 year olds .
I do believe a better word would have been elitism or snobbery etc because that word racism and racist is used far too often by too many people as a broad catch-all term when it's just not right.
I can fully believe that the dumbest people you've worked with have been Americans because our education system has been lacking and falling behind for decades upon decades and most all of that has been public schools.
That is precisely why he joked about it because we do it all the time.
In fact, we make fun of ourselves, our actual own individual cells, other americans, different types of Americans which we may or may not even like, ALL THE TIME!

We actually don't even like each other.
The only thing that ever gets us motivated and working together is being piss#d off!
We will walk backwards uphill buck-ass naked to prove a point, when a fight, or because someone tries to tell us what we can or can't do!

I can fully appreciate this because that is exactly how I am.
Many Americans also have a pretty bad work ethic.
I fall into that category too because I work very little but I have become very good at what I do and very efficient so it just looks like I try hard.
It's hilarious that people who know me and stop by and stuff think I'm busy all the time and do so much but I tell them I only hump when people like them are around because as soon as I get done I go back to slacking off doing nothing!

We joke all the time that the only people who work hard in America are asians, mexicans, and we often specify people from India too but they are also considered Asians now right??
They didn't used to be but now they are. Crazy! But I guess I don't make the rules...sadly.

When they make me supreme dictator of the earth I will fix all the problems and situations.
Many decisions won't be popular.....but--- 😆


#42

StarTech

StarTech

People in general are dumbing down. They cant even read a basic road map; unless, it is on smart phone now with it giving them turn by turn instructions.

I just dealt PD Power Distributors about my Power Portal account that some jackA closed. The rep was asking why I was needing access and I said because EFI test software needs updating. She ask what was EFI software? My lord they are selling fuel injected engines, have test software, and she had never of electronic fuel injection.

Finally manage to find my account has been cross link for over 15yrs with another business with basically the same name. On top someone at PD now has assigned the same account number a third business. No wonder my account number and password no longer works. The only solution is to setup a completely new account now and hopefully the other two companies can their stuff straighten out too.


#43

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bertsmobile1

Snip snip
We actually don't even like each other.
The only thing that ever gets us motivated and working together is being piss#d off!
We will walk backwards uphill buck-ass naked to prove a point, when a fight, or because someone tries to tell us what we can or can't do!

Snip Again

We joke all the time that the only people who work hard in America are asians, mexicans, and we often specify people from India too but they are also considered Asians now right??
They didn't used to be but now they are. Crazy! But I guess I don't make the rules...sadly.

When they make me supreme dictator of the earth I will fix all the problems and situations.
Many decisions won't be popular.....but--- 😆
IT is your 2 party system and voluntary voting that is the basis of that
The blue undies wearers have to hate the red undies wearers so they will get off their butts & Vote
And of course the same happen with the other side

IF the people are too busy fighting with each other they do not notice when they are being robbed blind
And the requirement for 1/2 billion every couple of years means the government will always be in the pockets of big business.

That is why I get 12 months warranty on the parts I buy from Rotary , Orgon , Prime LIne & Stens where s you smucks just get 1 to 3 months on the exact same parts .
This is why my hernia operation cost me $ 800 and that was 3 visits to the surgeons rooms
The operation + 2 days in hospital cost zip where as you saps have to take out a second mortgage for the same opp.
This is why the most I can ever pay for medicines that are on the PBS is $ 350 / year
This is why there has never ever been a school shooting ( yes criminals still have guns and they always will )
This is why we do not have death duties or inheritance tax

Because we are not preoccupied hating the person next door because his undies are the wrong colour, we can all hate the politicians together
Then we have more than 2 parties a basically labour party, originally fully financed by unions , a weirdly named Liberal party who are a very loose alliance of every one who detests organised labour & want pseudo-slavery introduced . They are in an almost permeant alliance with the farmers party, used to be called Country Party , now the Nationals so they are our conservaties. Then to protect those frogs & flowers we have the Greens , a bunch of very young city living environmental warriors who should be the natural partners of the farmers, but they hate them because they "destroy the land " . so goofy greens usually side with the labour , then for the right wing racists there is the "One ( white ) Nation" For the evangelicals there is a plethora of "christian" parties, some state some federal but of curse being Christians they all hate each other because one book has 3 more pages than the other book and a heap of very minor parties some with 1 or 2 senators others with just 1 lower house member .
So your paralysed parliaments never happen and extreme right or left legislation rarely happens because they always need one of the minor parties to vote for a bill so the minors get small amendments which gives then something t crow about come election time .
An independent group schedule votes so no speaker can defile democracy as Johnston is doing now
Both the government , the opposition & the cross benches can introduce a bill ( restrictions on the number ) then the bill is read for the first time and debated then and there .
Usually a week or so latter it is read a second time with any ammendments then voted on and if passed, goes onto the the Senate for a debate & vote, if ammended it goes back to the house the back to the senate

And the real killer for stable government is preferential voting So you decide who you hate the most and they get the highest number then one you hate slightly less gets one number less to you end up with the person you hate least who gets your number 1 vote .
So when the count is done if the difference between 1 & 2 is less than the sum of the others then the lowest No 1 votes get distributed to the other candidates according to who you gave the number 2 to , And this continues till there is a clear winner so often the person with the most No 1 votes does not get elected and the person who is elected is the one that the least number of people hate .
Then we have absentee voting so on polling day I can vote any where in the nation for a federal election & anywhere in a state for a state or local election .
Postal voting , which by the way always favours Labour ( Dems to you )
Pre poll voting, always favours the Liberals
Normal voting and for my electorate of 120,000 there are 46 polling booths , early voting always favours the libs & late voting always favours labour

So your 2020 vote went exactly the same as any vote in Australia would go
Conservatives in a clear lead with prepolls and early booth returns , around 50:50 for the rest of the day and a strong Labor ( dems ) postal vote
Postal are often not counted on the day if one candidate has an unassailable lead but do get added over the week so some one might win with 55% on the night but by the end of counting be down as low as 51%.
And the real beauty of compulsory voting is there has to be 120,000 votes because there are 120,000 in the electoral district thus idiot claims like 4,000 phantom votes delivered in a wheel barrow can not happen and if the final count is out by more than the winning margin then a recount happens and if tat confirms the descrepency then a frsh ballot ( must be same candidates ) hapens within 1 month

So you can see why we consider our system the stupidist system on the planet and any vote that is voluntary is open to corruption .


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TobyU

IT is your 2 party system and voluntary voting that is the basis of that
The blue undies wearers have to hate the red undies wearers so they will get off their butts & Vote
And of course the same happen with the other side

IF the people are too busy fighting with each other they do not notice when they are being robbed blind
And the requirement for 1/2 billion every couple of years means the government will always be in the pockets of big business.

That is why I get 12 months warranty on the parts I buy from Rotary , Orgon , Prime LIne & Stens where s you smucks just get 1 to 3 months on the exact same parts .
This is why my hernia operation cost me $ 800 and that was 3 visits to the surgeons rooms
The operation + 2 days in hospital cost zip where as you saps have to take out a second mortgage for the same opp.
This is why the most I can ever pay for medicines that are on the PBS is $ 350 / year
This is why there has never ever been a school shooting ( yes criminals still have guns and they always will )
This is why we do not have death duties or inheritance tax

Because we are not preoccupied hating the person next door because his undies are the wrong colour, we can all hate the politicians together
Then we have more than 2 parties a basically labour party, originally fully financed by unions , a weirdly named Liberal party who are a very loose alliance of every one who detests organised labour & want pseudo-slavery introduced . They are in an almost permeant alliance with the farmers party, used to be called Country Party , now the Nationals so they are our conservaties. Then to protect those frogs & flowers we have the Greens , a bunch of very young city living environmental warriors who should be the natural partners of the farmers, but they hate them because they "destroy the land " . so goofy greens usually side with the labour , then for the right wing racists there is the "One ( white ) Nation" For the evangelicals there is a plethora of "christian" parties, some state some federal but of curse being Christians they all hate each other because one book has 3 more pages than the other book and a heap of very minor parties some with 1 or 2 senators others with just 1 lower house member .
So your paralysed parliaments never happen and extreme right or left legislation rarely happens because they always need one of the minor parties to vote for a bill so the minors get small amendments which gives then something t crow about come election time .
An independent group schedule votes so no speaker can defile democracy as Johnston is doing now
Both the government , the opposition & the cross benches can introduce a bill ( restrictions on the number ) then the bill is read for the first time and debated then and there .
Usually a week or so latter it is read a second time with any ammendments then voted on and if passed, goes onto the the Senate for a debate & vote, if ammended it goes back to the house the back to the senate

And the real killer for stable government is preferential voting So you decide who you hate the most and they get the highest number then one you hate slightly less gets one number less to you end up with the person you hate least who gets your number 1 vote .
So when the count is done if the difference between 1 & 2 is less than the sum of the others then the lowest No 1 votes get distributed to the other candidates according to who you gave the number 2 to , And this continues till there is a clear winner so often the person with the most No 1 votes does not get elected and the person who is elected is the one that the least number of people hate .
Then we have absentee voting so on polling day I can vote any where in the nation for a federal election & anywhere in a state for a state or local election .
Postal voting , which by the way always favours Labour ( Dems to you )
Pre poll voting, always favours the Liberals
Normal voting and for my electorate of 120,000 there are 46 polling booths , early voting always favours the libs & late voting always favours labour

So your 2020 vote went exactly the same as any vote in Australia would go
Conservatives in a clear lead with prepolls and early booth returns , around 50:50 for the rest of the day and a strong Labor ( dems ) postal vote
Postal are often not counted on the day if one candidate has an unassailable lead but do get added over the week so some one might win with 55% on the night but by the end of counting be down as low as 51%.
And the real beauty of compulsory voting is there has to be 120,000 votes because there are 120,000 in the electoral district thus idiot claims like 4,000 phantom votes delivered in a wheel barrow can not happen and if the final count is out by more than the winning margin then a recount happens and if tat confirms the descrepency then a frsh ballot ( must be same candidates ) hapens within 1 month

So you can see why we consider our system the stupidist system on the planet and any vote that is voluntary is open to corruption .
Pretty much everything is open to corruption and especially in this day and age. With all that convenience and laziness that promotes it, you increase the greater likelihood.
The two-party system we have... Absolutely is the biggest part of the problem!!
People are sheep though and sheep like to do what they're comfortable doing and afraid of change.
Thus, we can't seem to ever break away from the two-party system and that's what keeps the whole system so screwed up!
I have said for decades that have just once, even on a fluke or a drunk night bet... if a third party or independent could win the presidency, it just might change things forever.
Heck, they probably wouldn't even let it happen. They would find some way and some technicality so that person who won would never actually be sworn into office.
They are corrupt beyond corrupt!
Anyone who isn't corrupt and gets into the business of politics, becomes corrupt quickly or they get out.
Both sides suck in our current situation they just suck in different ways.
Which takes us to the voting.
It's almost always the lesser of two evils and yes, it's almost always about 50/50 with only a few (percentage wise) determining which one will win and represent everyone and who is supposed to work for everyone's benefit but of course about half the country hates them and almost everything they stand for.
The feeling has become quite mutual from the politician's side also.

I'm not a fan of mailing votes or even absentee etc.
I understand they are a number of people but still a very small percentage who just can't get out and go on to a polling penter on election Day but I really think that's the only way it should happen.
Another interesting fact is that we have an abysmal turnout of people who actually vote.
Amazing how much dissent and complaining there is from seemingly everybody when so few people actually vote!!
I guess some people see a statement like this and think since so few vote you need to make it as easy as possible but I've always thought since so few people vote anyways what's a few more that don't vote going to matter.
II've also often thought that it would be easier and probably less likely for fraud versus the scattered way we do it now to do all of our voting electronically.
I mean every single US citizen, because that's the only people that should be voting in the elections) should basically have an account based on their social security number or a new issued voter ID number or whatever way they want to come up with.
But the point is you log in to the system, and place your vote.
Most people would vote from their phone, tablet or computer..
Had they have done this a number of years ago they would have had a phone system also but that's probably not necessary today and the expense would be greater.
Sure, some people will say it would make fraud more likely but they're already using a crazy mixture of electronic and manual and paper things all mixed together so I don't know that it could be much worse.
We in fact, do a pretty good job with accuracy in other aspects which are deemed very important.
Income tax filing and returns comes to mind.
Sure, there are some people who have fictitious filing with their name and or social security numbers or tax ID numbers etc but I think it would be staggering to compare the number of people in the US who file or who have the ability to do an income tax return that someone could fraud on even if they themselves aren't filing that year, versus the few number of people who vote!

Oh well, as I often say it's all about numbers and want something, society, country etc is so grossly gigantic and out of control, you will never fix the problems!!
Fixing the problems is a pipe dream.
There will be attempts and they will be some progress and there will be ups and downs but it's like a Pandora's box situation.
Society, politics, government can only work well and close to perfectly on a very small scale level like an island of a few people, a small group and maybe a village and possibly up to the size of a small town.
After that, it's all downhill. Probably because of one of humans another annoying traits of the compulsive inability to not get along and their own selfishness.


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bertsmobile1

Problems with on the day only polling is the USA is a very big place and every day there would be over 10,000,000 who are not in their electorial area nor could they possibly get back there to vote which is why you need to have absentee voting , but you can only do that if you have a single national register , which the USA does not.
The other big problem is polling booths placed to deter the opposition voters , like the only polling station for republicans in a predominantly jewish neighbour hood, right next to a Nazi paraphernalia shop or in one of those areas where wealthy people are scared of being mugged in order to increase the democrat vote or on the other hand, all of the polling booths in an area that has no public transport to deter democrats from voting or in an industrial region a booth that is open from 9am to 2pm so factory workers doing can not vote etc etc etc.
Then there is registration itself where one state will accept a gun license as proof of identity but not a drivers license so university students from inter state can not even register .

Our system works faultlessly , however we only have 30,000,000 voters 1/10 of the potential US voters .

And for all those who think the election was stolen despite the fact that 2 Republican investigations both found Biden's count was under reported & Trumps was over recorder .
I have been voting for 50 years and every election follows the same broad pattern .
Prepoll votes , near 90% for conservatives
Polling day votes, generally by demograhic
Postal & absentee votes around 75 % to labour ( democrats to you )
Now the massive difference for the USA was this was the first time that all college students out of state could not be prevented from registering to vote or voting
By and large, younger people tend to be more left & university students lefter still while older people tend to be more conservative

So 2024 followed the Australian voting patten to the letter .


#46

StarTech

StarTech

And everybody wants instant results but still there are those wants all the votes to be hand counted. There is just no way to this in the time allotted. Come folks you can't have your cake and eat it too at the same time. Basically you have a cake sitting there or a empty plate where you have eaten the cake.


#47

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bertsmobile1

TV does not want to get instant results when they can stretch election night live for 10hours of the cheapest TV it s possible to make

The way it works, because we know exactly how many people are going to vote in each seat, the pre polls are counted during the day but results are not posted till after the polls close to avoid the heard effect . SO when the TV coverage starts we have the prepoll results shown and of course the entire country would be red in your case .
So if a candidate gets to 51% of the total electors in that seat it is declaired and the postals are not counted on the night and the staff go to do the senate which is a big job as last election there were 198 names on the form and some people ( me ) fill in every square .
If at the end of the booth count there is not a clear winner then the postals are opened and counted
Then if there is not a clear winner the preferences are distributed .
Because of this you get a lot of single issue independents so I often give them my 1,2 & 3 votes knowing if they pull more than 2% of the vote one of the major parties will add that to their platform at the next election and it is not unheard of to have the 1st, 2nd & 3rd preferences counted .
It is also not uncommon to have the person with highest number of first votes loose the seat and in my electorate the person who came in No 3 in a 5 person ticked ended up being the memeber for 2 terms


#48

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Zedo

Need measurement of drive belt on my Craftsman 42" mower 22 HP Kohler S/N 022614A002537 Model # 917.98641.It's either a 1/2"x 101 13/32" or 1/2"x 95 Thanks in advance


#49

StarTech

StarTech

The ground drive belt according to SearPartsDirect is the 101-1/16 belt (197253 superseded to 592855001) but my system is showing 100-1/2" belt. And Stens is show their
265-214 replacement belt as 100.25".


#50

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Gord Baker

Often at the back side of the unit there is a tag or stamped number. Have you tried a dealer which may have History on your machine? Do you keep the belt tight in Winter and loosen or remove it in Summer? Cheap belts do not last.


#51

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bkicker

I get belts from ebay from the seller D&D Power Drive, Have all the sizes I have ever ordered.
They are in Iowa, belts run a little short. I am in Wisconsin, get belt in about 4 days.


#52

Fish

Fish



#53

Fish

Fish



#54

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TobyU

I get belts from ebay from the seller D&D Power Drive, Have all the sizes I have ever ordered.
They are in Iowa, belts run a little short. I am in Wisconsin, get belt in about 4 days.
You can get my with aftermarket on snow blowers and some really old mowers typically older than 1997 and sometimes on Fwd craftsman BUT I will NEVER install a non MTD rider belt on an MTD mower on the double belt drive (double sheave pulley) system OR the deck blade belt.
I have personally seen too many non OEM belts that did not work properly.
It is NOT worth the few dollars your wil save on the non OEM belts.

Not saying Stens and Gates don't make sense good belts but they just don't fit as well or last as long.
Many of the other brands aren't even good belts.
No thank you and no way.
I don't want to be a brand name belt snob but once I get burned, I won't risk the work again.


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