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Stihl Vs. Echo

#1

A_tank96

A_tank96

Not sure if this is the right place or not....

Hello,

I have a Stihl Fs 45 trimmer. I have a very small mowing business that I run myself. I only do about 6 yards, and each of them is so small that I probably mow only about an Acre for all the yards. My stihl has worked fine, but every once in awhile, it will run weird. Usually starts up, but sometimes it quits, and it seems really tempermental. I hardly do any maintenance on it, I don't even know the right stuff to replace. I do maintenance on all my mowers, but not the trimmer very much.

So I would like to get a new trimmer, and then the Old one can be the backup. Right now I don't have a backup, and it's very stressful when the FS45 goes down. My top two choices are going to be Echo and Stihl. Echo seems like it's a good trimmer, and Stihl seems like it's a little bit overpriced. I know mine has done very well, It's a 8 year old residential trimmer I use commercially, but I don't know which brand to get. My budget is about 280, and that's if the trimmer last darn near forever. I'd rather spend around 250 or 200. I have a Stihl dealer that I really like pretty close to me, but I would rather do maintenance myself. I like that Echo has their repower kit with the air filter and sparkplug and fuel filter. I also like that they have lots of accessories and trimmer line and stuff at Home depot.

So the question is, Stihl or Echo?

Comments? Experience?

Thanks so much

A_tank96


#2

lawn mower fanatic

lawn mower fanatic

Personally I would go with an Echo, but that's just me. I love my SRM-225 but you might want to look into the 230. :thumbsup:


#3

A_tank96

A_tank96

Personally I would go with an Echo, but that's just me. I love my SRM-225 but you might want to look into the 230. :thumbsup:

How much have you used your SRM? And have you repowered or done any maintenance? Is it easy to access parts?

A_tank96


#4

lawn mower fanatic

lawn mower fanatic

How much have you used your SRM? And have you repowered or done any maintenance? Is it easy to access parts?

A_tank96

I use it more than you would and it has held up great. I have not needed to repower it or do any maintenance...at all!


#5

exotion

exotion

How much have you used your SRM? And have you repowered or done any maintenance? Is it easy to access parts?

A_tank96

Mine takes a retarded amount of abuse. It probably averages 4 or 5 hours a day 5 days a week. Cutting anything from grass to weedy field areas. Maintenance for me has only been new plug 2 dollars new air filter 3 dollars new fuel filter 1 dollar new air breather 1 dollar. I have run this hard for 2 years no problems sometimes when it gets really hot out 95 degrees plus it takes a few pulls to get started.

I think I am going to buy a new head I have worn the one that's on there down pretty bad oh ya I've cleaned the carbon out of the exhaust twice. Parts are super easy lots of echo dealers out there. Lots of internet catalogs. Even home depot carries some stuff.


#6

Ric

Ric

Not sure if this is the right place or not....

Hello,

I have a Stihl Fs 45 trimmer. I have a very small mowing business that I run myself. I only do about 6 yards, and each of them is so small that I probably mow only about an Acre for all the yards. My stihl has worked fine, but every once in awhile, it will run weird. Usually starts up, but sometimes it quits, and it seems really tempermental. I hardly do any maintenance on it, I don't even know the right stuff to replace. I do maintenance on all my mowers, but not the trimmer very much.

So I would like to get a new trimmer, and then the Old one can be the backup. Right now I don't have a backup, and it's very stressful when the FS45 goes down. My top two choices are going to be Echo and Stihl. Echo seems like it's a good trimmer, and Stihl seems like it's a little bit overpriced. I know mine has done very well, It's a 8 year old residential trimmer I use commercially, but I don't know which brand to get. My budget is about 280, and that's if the trimmer last darn near forever. I'd rather spend around 250 or 200. I have a Stihl dealer that I really like pretty close to me, but I would rather do maintenance myself. I like that Echo has their repower kit with the air filter and sparkplug and fuel filter. I also like that they have lots of accessories and trimmer line and stuff at Home depot.

So the question is, Stihl or Echo?

Comments? Experience?

Thanks so much

A_tank96

I know the Echo fans are saying buy Echo but you will have the same problem with the Echo as the Stihl if you don't preform the maintenance required to keep it running. If you buy and replace the air filter and spark-plug and fuel filter and clean the spark arresting screen on the Stihl your Stihl should preform as good as new and if you want a back up and your happy with your Stihl buy another Stihl Fs 45 that way you cut down on any parts you will need in the future. Every different brand of equipment you buy is going to effect your bottom line or how much money you net at the end of the year. The thing is if you stop using every trimmer, blower, chainsaw etc. you buy because it runs weird or temper-mental you may as well shut down your business now if not you'll go broke.


#7

A_tank96

A_tank96

Thanks for all the replies...

exotion what model is your echo?

And Rick do you have a certain place that you buy parts for your Stihl's? Your dealer? I'm kind of leaning toward the Echo right now, mostly because I don't want to take my trimmer places to do maintenance, and I don't even see a parts section on the Stihl website.

A_tank96


#8

Ric

Ric

Thanks for all the replies...

exotion what model is your echo?

And Rick do you have a certain place that you buy parts for your Stihl's? Your dealer? I'm kind of leaning toward the Echo right now, mostly because I don't want to take my trimmer places to do maintenance, and I don't even see a parts section on the Stihl website.

A_tank96

You don't have to take your trimmer anyplace to have maintenance done, you can do it yourself. You can go to any dealer who sells Stihl and buy what you need same as Echo. Working on either the Stihl or Echo is simple. The things like replacing plugs, air filters, gas filters and cleaning spark arresting screens is a simple procedure which regardless of what type of trimmer you buy is going to have to be done to keep it running correctly. The first thing I would do if I were you would be to go to the dealer and get the NGK-BPMR7A spark plug and replace the one in your machine.



#10

B

Bacon8r

Just my opinion, but my stihl is a lot easier to maintain than the echo. It seems like the echo's fuel lines crack, slip off and just are not up to stihl standards. My recommendation is look for a used stihl. Preferably from a homeowner who you know does not use it much because in my opinion stihl lasts a lot longer. Plus the 4 mix engines they have on the fs 90 and above sound cooler, thought they have a little different torque characteristics than a pure 2 cycle. 4 mix means that you stil mix the oil and gas, but the unit has valves, giving you the best of both worlds. Go with the stihl and you will be much more pleased.


#11

Ric

Ric

Thanks for all the replies...

exotion what model is your echo?

And Rick do you have a certain place that you buy parts for your Stihl's? Your dealer? I'm kind of leaning toward the Echo right now, mostly because I don't want to take my trimmer places to do maintenance, and I don't even see a parts section on the Stihl website.

A_tank96

The Spark Plug Is a NGK-BPMR7A Replace it. Looking from the Back of the engine on the right side is the muffler, if you look inside you will see the spark arrestor, Take a 15mm socket and remove it, it will be tight so you may have to give it a little tap to loosen it. it just unscrews take it out use a wire brush and clean the screen and blow it out, make sure it's clean and re-install it back in the muffler and I bet you find your machine will work great. I just did the whole process I described and it took less than five minutes, and make sure you clean or replace the air filter.


#12

Ric

Ric

Just my opinion, but my stihl is a lot easier to maintain than the echo. It seems like the echo's fuel lines crack, slip off and just are not up to stihl standards. My recommendation is look for a used stihl. Preferably from a homeowner who you know does not use it much because in my opinion stihl lasts a lot longer. Plus the 4 mix engines they have on the fs 90 and above sound cooler, thought they have a little different torque characteristics than a pure 2 cycle. 4 mix means that you stil mix the oil and gas, but the unit has valves, giving you the best of both worlds. Go with the stihl and you will be much more pleased.

The Stihls are a lot easier to maintain than the Echos without a doubt. I've run both the Stihls and Echos and the Echo Imo is a good unit for the Homeowner but is I'm running them six days a week five,six hours a day I want a Stihl unit, I personally will never go back to the Echo for commercial work.


#13

A_tank96

A_tank96

The Stihls are a lot easier to maintain than the Echos without a doubt. I've run both the Stihls and Echos and the Echo Imo is a good unit for the Homeowner but is I'm running them six days a week five,six hours a day I want a Stihl unit, I personally will never go back to the Echo for commercial work.

So what do you guys think abou the Stihl FS 55? What's the difference between the FS 55 R and FS 55 RC E? I would definitely lie a straight shaft
Thanks for the maintenance info Rick.

Any other opinions?

A_tank96


#14

exotion

exotion

Thanks for all the replies...

exotion what model is your echo?

And Rick do you have a certain place that you buy parts for your Stihl's? Your dealer? I'm kind of leaning toward the Echo right now, mostly because I don't want to take my trimmer places to do maintenance, and I don't even see a parts section on the Stihl website.

A_tank96

Mine is srm 225


#15

B

Bacon8r

So what do you guys think abou the Stihl FS 55? What's the difference between the FS 55 R and FS 55 RC E? I would definitely lie a straight shaft
Thanks for the maintenance info Rick.

Any other opinions?

A_tank96

The difference Is that the "e" represents Stihls easy to start feature. Stihls are all ready so easy to start that I have never bothered with it. I just think it is just extra weight and another thing to break. The fs 55 is homeowner unit, but it does say on stihl's website that it is for light duty commercial use. A professional grade model is the fs 70 which is a true 2 stroke or the fs 90 and above which are 4 mix. Honestly any of the Stihls would fit the bill, but I always buy a price of equipment that is a little above what I need so that it the future I won't have to purchase another piece of equipment. You could also look into either Stihls kombisystem or echo's pas which are their multi tool systems. Helps cut down on cost if you do expand (hedge trimmer, pole saw, edger). Just my opinion though.


#16

A_tank96

A_tank96

The difference Is that the "e" represents Stihls easy to start feature. Stihls are all ready so easy to start that I have never bothered with it. I just think it is just extra weight and another thing to break. The fs 55 is homeowner unit, but it does say on stihl's website that it is for light duty commercial use. A professional grade model is the fs 70 which is a true 2 stroke or the fs 90 and above which are 4 mix. Honestly any of the Stihls would fit the bill, but I always buy a price of equipment that is a little above what I need so that it the future I won't have to purchase another piece of equipment. You could also look into either Stihls kombisystem or echo's pas which are their multi tool systems. Helps cut down on cost if you do expand (hedge trimmer, pole saw, edger). Just my opinion though.

That's another hang I have been wondering about. I don't see any signs that a certain trimmer is Stihl 4 mix, I just see that is says two stroke. Why is there so little info on 4 mix? What is it? I have been thinking about a Stihl FS 70 or an Echo Srm 230. Now I'm leaning towards the Stihl. I think it will be better for the money.

A_tank96


#17

Ric

Ric

The difference Is that the "e" represents Stihls easy to start feature. Stihls are all ready so easy to start that I have never bothered with it. I just think it is just extra weight and another thing to break. The fs 55 is homeowner unit, but it does say on stihl's website that it is for light duty commercial use. A professional grade model is the fs 70 which is a true 2 stroke or the fs 90 and above which are 4 mix. Honestly any of the Stihls would fit the bill, but I always buy a price of equipment that is a little above what I need so that it the future I won't have to purchase another piece of equipment. You could also look into either Stihls kombisystem or echo's pas which are their multi tool systems. Helps cut down on cost if you do expand (hedge trimmer, pole saw, edger). Just my opinion though.

That's another hang I have been wondering about. I don't see any signs that a certain trimmer is Stihl 4 mix, I just see that is says two stroke. Why is there so little info on 4 mix? What is it? I have been thinking about a Stihl FS 70 or an Echo Srm 230. Now I'm leaning towards the Stihl. I think it will be better for the money.

A_tank96

If your looking at the Stihl FS 70 or an Echo Srm 230 they are both 2 stroke units. The Stihl is $279.95 and is a 27.2 cc motor, weighs 10.6lbs. The SRM 230 cost $289.99 and is a 22.8cc motor, weighs 12.2lbs. Personally I wouldn't buy either. If I'm spending that much money I'd spend a little more and buy the FS 90R it cost $319.95 and is a 28.4cc motor, weighs 11.7lbs and is a 4 mix unit and is twice the trimmer of either of the others.
You ask what is the 4 mix? The Stihl 4 Mix Unit is a single cylinder four stroke engine that runs on a gas oil lubrication/ 50 to 1 mixture just like a 2 stroke. You are talking $30 to $40 difference in price between the Stihl FS 70 or the Echo Srm 230 and the Stihl FS 90R and it's a far better buy.


#18

A_tank96

A_tank96

If your looking at the Stihl FS 70 or an Echo Srm 230 they are both 2 stroke units. The Stihl is $279.95 and is a 27.2 cc motor, weighs 10.6lbs. The SRM 230 cost $289.99 and is a 22.8cc motor, weighs 12.2lbs. Personally I wouldn't buy either. If I'm spending that much money I'd spend a little more and buy the FS 90R it cost $319.95 and is a 28.4cc motor, weighs 11.7lbs and is a 4 mix unit and is twice the trimmer of either of the others.
You ask what is the 4 mix? The Stihl 4 Mix Unit is a single cylinder four stroke engine that runs on a gas oil lubrication/ 50 to 1 mixture just like a 2 stroke. You are talking $30 to $40 difference in price between the Stihl FS 70 or the Echo Srm 230 and the Stihl FS 90R and it's a far better buy.

So what is involved with a 4 mix engine? Pro's? Con's? One of the big pros for four stroke is that you don't have to mix up gas. I've heard you mix petrol or something? If I get the Stihl FS 90 R, Pros of the engine? and what makes it better than the other two?

One thing I definitely do not like is the Echo's small brush guard. If I'm working in the summer, I want to wear shorts. Tried an older echo with the same brush guard and my legs were all beat up.

A_tank96


#19

Ric

Ric

So what is involved with a 4 mix engine? Pro's? Con's? One of the big pros for four stroke is that you don't have to mix up gas. I've heard you mix petrol or something? If I get the Stihl FS 90 R, Pros of the engine? and what makes it better than the other two?

One thing I definitely do not like is the Echo's small brush guard. If I'm working in the summer, I want to wear shorts. Tried an older echo with the same brush guard and my legs were all beat up.

A_tank96

Ok the 4 mix engine is a single cylinder four stroke engine that runs on a gas oil lubrication/ 50 to 1 mixture just like a 2 stroke, you still mix gas and oil. Stihl eliminates the crankcase so your mixing gas and oil just like you would in a two stroke. Stihl eliminated the crankcase and by eliminating the crankcase it eliminated about 2lbs of weight. Example the Stihl 4 mix 90R weighs 11.7lbs, the Honda four stoke with the crankcase weighs like 13lbs. The Stihl 4 mix uses less fuel than the conventional 2 stroke(cost less to operate) and it's more environmentally friendly than the 2 stroke. You will also find the Stihl 4 mix will start easier and are far more quiet than a 2 stroke like I said before and I believe the 4 Mix vibrates less than a comparable 2 stroke engine. I run the Stihl 90R, 110R FC90 and the BR550 all 4 mix units and I wouldn't trade them for any two stroke unit.


#20

E

ericds

I use Stihl fs 90r and it's great. I had bought an echo srm 225 two years ago and hated it. It was so temperamental and under powered. I had taken it to the shop twice telling them the problems I was having and they said they'd fix it, yet they didn't. It would get extremely hot and it only started half the time. I bought my Stihl last season and it has stood up very well. Amazing torque and power and I have used to cut over grown yards without a problem(the echo could not stand up to those yards). I just sold my echo for $120 so I only lost about $110. Anyway, I would highly recommend the Stihl 4 mix engines


#21

lawn mower fanatic

lawn mower fanatic

I had bought an echo srm 225 two years ago and hated it. It was so temperamental and under powered.

I haven't had a single problem with my SRM-225...I love it!


#22

A

ACDDURHAM

Hi There,

I've been using the stihl product, and as ric says, I would go with it. I've used mine for many years and at the end of the season, it's a simple maintenance issue. I've had no problems using stihl, been using them since 2000 and still going strong.

Thanks and whatever you decide, it's your $$$$


#23

combatcarl

combatcarl

Ever look into Shindaiwa? I used them for the county, freakin indestructible machines. Full throttle, all day, stop long enough to gas up n eat. That was with regular maintenance too, tho. Dealer near me has them for $269 out the door, I believe.


#24

Ric

Ric

Ever look into Shindaiwa? I used them for the county, freakin indestructible machines. Full throttle, all day, stop long enough to gas up n eat. That was with regular maintenance too, tho. Dealer near me has them for $269 out the door, I believe.


Shindaiwa and Echo are made in the same place by the same company.


#25

combatcarl

combatcarl

Shindaiwa and Echo are made in the same place by the same company.

Cool. Did not know that. I'm about to have some experience with echo, as I'm buying one shortly. So hopefully it's as bombproof.


#26

Ric

Ric

Cool. Did not know that. I'm about to have some experience with echo, as I'm buying one shortly. So hopefully it's as bombproof.

If you want bombproof buy a Stihl. What Echo are you going after?


#27

BKBrown

BKBrown

I did not read every post in the thread, but did not see any mention of the ethanol problem related to gas.
I would also keep the Stihl and do the maintenance. I recommend using either non-ethanol gas or treating
the gas with an additive designed to address the ethanol problem. If you run proper fuel mixed properly,
keep filters clean, change or clean the spark plug, and check that the exhaust screen is not fouled -- the Stihl
should run a good long time with minimal problems.

Why buy new if the one you have can be maintained and keeps running well ?


#28

combatcarl

combatcarl

If you want bombproof buy a Stihl. What Echo are you going after?

I don't remember the model. One of the lower two residential models. Curved shaft. Echo gets my money this time, as I'm not a big box store kind of guy, and the dealer I'm going thru is a little more my personality type. If you're willing to offer personal, personable service, along with good product, and not pitch stuff at me I'm not interested in, you'll probably get my money. I've only heard bad things about anything from people who expected too much from it, or abused it. As long as it runs well, cuts weeds, and doesn't break too often, I'm happy. Maybe next time, for a bigger, heavier duty unit, I'll try another name.


#29

lawn mower fanatic

lawn mower fanatic

I don't remember the model. One of the lower two residential models. Curved shaft.

It's either the GT-225 or GT-230. String Trimmers, Weed Trimmers, Weed Eaters, Curved + Straight Shaft Yard Trimmers | ECHO USA


#30

combatcarl

combatcarl

GT-225. I'm lazy, it's bedtime!!


#31

Ric

Ric

GT-225. I'm lazy, it's bedtime!!

Just for your Info you can get the Stihl FS-40 CE for the same price $169.95 and it has the 27.2 cc engine instead of the 21.2 of the Echo


FS 40 C-E Trimmer - Occasional Use Homescaper Series Lawn Trimmers | STIHL USA Mobile


#32

combatcarl

combatcarl

Just for your Info you can get the Stihl FS-40 CE for the same price $169.95 and it has the 27.2 cc engine instead of the 21.2 of the Echo

FS 40 C-E Trimmer - Occasional Use Homescaper Series Lawn Trimmers | STIHL USA Mobile

Ok, that's nice, but the stihl dealers wanted it all up front, no layaway or payments. And I don't do credit/cards. This guy I get along with, and have bought/will buy other parts thru. Nothing against stihl, the saws I've used were good as any other.


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