Raptor SD cut quality - any recommendations?

KrashnKraka

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I to this day do not understand how you can block off the discharge chute on a multi-bladed mower deck (Other that the Old Bolens and Troybilt units) and mulch......Well I should say mulch well. [...].
Right on..!
Yourself and <kraky> have mowing sense. The rest...?.. it's rare on these bLogs today
one gets exposed to such a degree of narcisstic dogmatic trolling. It's either one
clueless git seeking cost free Mowing 101 or a bunch of mirror obsessed lawn freaks
having a Mad Alice tea party.
Either way the thread is junk and I have tried to get Admin to block it from my read.
No answer, so far.

FWIW... I do regularly MORE on less mower than the SD or Fastrack, easily.
Either those operators whinging cannot drive or carnt Talk, to their mower dealer.

End of.
I follow certain posters. Do us all a favor and stay off this junk thread.

KK
 

mooch91

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OP back...

Fasttrack demo completed today.

Fasttrack and Raptor SD mowing comparison coming this afternoon.

A little teaser:
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Demo unit was a standard Fastrack with about 72 hours on the clock.

Blades were the 'standard' ones that were 'freshened up' with a new edge right before I took it home and deck was scraped (I watched both at the shop).

I set the deck at the 3.25" setting, though I did not confirm actual height (feels like it was about right), which is about 0.25" lower than I have been cutting on the Raptor SD.

Deck itself on the Fastrack was pitched UP in the front about 0.25". I did not confirm the pitch on the blades. I've had the Raptor SD deck DOWN about 0.25" in the front. Not a very meaningful comparison unless I can confirm the blades on both units have the same pitch.

I did not check tire pressure.

We had a thunderstorm dump a ton of rain about 4AM, and I cut at 9. The grass was still very damp, and in some small spots, soggy.

Here is a pic of the unit:
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It is definitely a different machine, I knew that the minute I sat on it. May have been the way this one was set up, but I felt like I was sitting way back compared to the Raptor SD. Took a while to get my feel for center of gravity. Since I do have some hills, being stable is important for me. I felt the front wheels come off the ground when I was getting it off the trailer and the first time I 'gunned' it on my driveway. My Raptor rarely has the front wheels come off the ground, probably because I more in tune with how I have to shift my body to keep the center of gravity stable.

Although the Fastrack and the Raptor SD have the same engine, the Fastrack definitely felt faster. Speed was much easier to control. I feel very 'jerky' at times with the sticks on the Raptor SD; I was butter smooth with the Fastrack.

The Fastrack is a tighter machine in many ways. There's no rattle of the deck from the blades. Even running across the turf is smooth. Are those the flex forks on the front of this model (the website shows a yellow fork)?

I jumped back on the Raptor SD for a few passes and couldn't believe how harsh it felt compared to the Fastrack.

Discharge opening is clearly much bigger on the deck (I did not take any pictures).

The ROPS took some getting used to. I knocked some rain off a few trees and on to me and I almost took out the hanger that extends from my lamppost when I was cutting around it.

On to the important part, the cut:

I was cutting approximately 4 days of damp growth. This is sort of an apples-to-oranges comparison of what I've been cutting with the Raptor SD since I've been using it exclusively dry, but it's definitely a worst-case comparison. And I was comparing standard lift blades on the Fastrack to the high lifts I currently have on the Raptor SD.

I ran it the majority of the time with the chute down.

The Fastrack definitely left clippings. I noticed that discharge distance was not very far - maybe 3-4 feet at the most with the chute down. But no clumps whatsoever. I had to break out the Raptor SD for a few passes just to make sure I wasn't kidding myself, and as soon as I did, the clumps were there and very obvious.

In most cases, the clippings probably would have disappeared by tomorrow. But since I was demo-ing, I figured I'd run a few passes to see how the Fastrack handled it. One BIG difference I saw with the Fastrack was that successive passes chopped and dispersed the clippings even finer. For the most part, the Raptor SD would just blow around the clippings, basically moving around the clumps. The Fastrack made them finer and distributed them each time. I did a number of passes with the chute up, and the first and second passes of the clippings just disappeared.

The Fastrack chute did have an advantage over the Raptor - when I was mowing in between my flower beds, it did not throw the clippings across in to the mulch of the other bed like the Raptor likes to do. Consistent with my observation that the discharge distance with chute down is not very far on the Fastrack.

I wore virtually no clippings. In fact, I was able to take a trip to the bank on my way to return the mower. With the Raptor, I would have been covered up to my knees in clippings (see my picture from earlier this week).

So, with two passes over about 50% of the lawn, I was able to clean up virtually all clippings that were generated. I think I could have done better with the chute up and maybe even avoided the second cut.

As you can see from the picture I posted earlier - striping was phenomenal (and this is without my homemade roller). I see that Hustler does offer a striping kit for this mower - I did not look to see if it was installed (though I did see that the demo unit had the optional headlights), though I don't think it was. I'm now seeing the benefits of following the exact same lines each time I cut (something I started a few weeks back).

Bottom line: Far and away better than the Raptor SD. I think the outcome, even at one pass, was more in line with my expectations of how a mower should handle the growth I receive. I was definitely impressed!
 

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Man....that is THE most stunning residential striping I've seen.
Fwiw....when I talked to a hustler dealer he said best performance comes from deck dipped slightly at rear.....not sure if this was a factory recommendation or local knowledge.
I've got my raptor SD set level and its doing good on my lawn for me...actually really good.

Mooch....let us know not just about cut....but how "quiet" is the machine re rattles and buzzes compared to the raptor SD...also....tell us about how controls feel?
 

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Oops you answered everything...we must have been typing at the same time! Guess we all have to realize you get what you pay for...the raptor may be "flinstone refined" but still alot of machine for $4000.
The extra dough gets you the refined machine we all hoped to get but reality is what it is...lol!
 

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Right on..!
Yourself and <kraky> have mowing sense. The rest...?.. it's rare on these bLogs today
one gets exposed to such a degree of narcisstic dogmatic trolling. It's either one
clueless git seeking cost free Mowing 101 or a bunch of mirror obsessed lawn freaks
having a Mad Alice tea party.
Either way the thread is junk and I have tried to get Admin to block it from my read.
No answer, so far.

FWIW... I do regularly MORE on less mower than the SD or Fastrack, easily.
Either those operators whinging cannot drive or carnt Talk, to their mower dealer.

End of.
I follow certain posters. Do us all a favor and stay off this junk thread.

KK

Man, I didn't realize my thread was so controversial! Lol.
 

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Well, I am a homeowner and new to the LawnWorld forum and boy it didn't take long to get someone pi@@ed off. I am indeed a neophite when it comes to using a ZTR and have all of 3 hours on my machine. See, its like this: I am trying to get all happy with a new mower and would like to have the same results as my Toro Super Recycler but my RSD leaves clumps. And thats with the dealer mulch kit. So, I come here to ask what to do and are my expectations reasonable or just whacked. Dealer will work with me to change to a different model but his answer is "We can try it and see". I wonder if anyone is getting great results on a different model cutting at @ 2 inches while mulching.

I do indeed have the nicest lawn in my neighborhood. I have attended anything about turf grass that I can and enjoy my yard more than anyone. Yep, Im pretty nuts. Certified turf grass nerd. And that's OK with me. But the information I would like is if I upgrade to a Fastrak or a Fastrak SD and use a mulch kit will it perform like I would like?

I never had the intention to irritate KrashnKraka but strike one for me, my bad brother. Wish you could just drop by and let me extract all your experience so I could just be a happy content mower and enjoy a nice my nice yard.

BTW: Empire Zoysia is what I have.
 

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Well, I am a homeowner and new to the LawnWorld forum and boy it didn't take long to get someone pi@@ed off. I am indeed a neophite when it comes to using a ZTR and have all of 3 hours on my machine. See, its like this: I am trying to get all happy with a new mower and would like to have the same results as my Toro Super Recycler but my RSD leaves clumps. And thats with the dealer mulch kit. So, I come here to ask what to do and are my expectations reasonable or just whacked. Dealer will work with me to change to a different model but his answer is "We can try it and see". I wonder if anyone is getting great results on a different model cutting at @ 2 inches while mulching.

I do indeed have the nicest lawn in my neighborhood. I have attended anything about turf grass that I can and enjoy my yard more than anyone. Yep, Im pretty nuts. Certified turf grass nerd. And that's OK with me. But the information I would like is if I upgrade to a Fastrak or a Fastrak SD and use a mulch kit will it perform like I would like?

I never had the intention to irritate KrashnKraka but strike one for me, my bad brother. Wish you could just drop by and let me extract all your experience so I could just be a happy content mower and enjoy a nice my nice yard.

BTW: Empire Zoysia is what I have.

You don't have to apologize to anyone. This site is here so members can seek advice concerning lawn care, and for members to share their experiences with others. If someone has a problem with posts on a thread then they can either not click into the thread, or ignore the post. It is obvious you weren't trying to offend anyone with your post. It seems that some members post that they are irritated just to create some drama.

I had zoysia in the lawn at my old house. I mulched it as well. I cut it at about 2.5 inches with gator blades. I had to mow about every 5 days to prevent clumping. I was mowing with a residential 42" lawn tractor for all but the last couple of years though. The bts was much slower than the ztr mower I'm using now.
 

KrashnKraka

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Well, I am a homeowner and new to the LawnWorld forum and boy it didn't take long to get someone pi@@ed off. I am indeed a neophite when it comes to using a ZTR and have all of 3 hours on my machine.
Pay little heed to my 'rant' beyond noting I too can express my opinion which holds this 'conversation' come training seminar really belongs elsewhere... like that Front Porch forum I was directed to.
Other than throwing model names around the thread has developed into nothing to do with Hustler, per se.
Whatever, 3 hours is no way enough experience to publish informed review.
I never had the intention to irritate KrashnKraka but strike one for me, my bad brother. Wish you could just drop by and let me extract all your experience so I could just be a happy content mower and enjoy a nice my nice yard.
Heh... I am just the one letting you know. If you are not aware of other satirical theads and posts
- made by others - directed at this thread then maybe you could consider getting out more.... over shooting the messenger? :)

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You can book me in on that link,,I have free time come March/2016.
Of course same 'rules' as LMF - no charge for onsite tutorials ... hehheh
Alternatively, you could follow my posts. I leave plenty of tips, all over :-|

Trust that helps some.

KK

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