422707-121401 sump gasket

McTurff

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I suspected such.
Your low idle issue right now is with the mechanical linkages and not the engines governor. First: You are going to have to get the linkages to go to idle without the governor. Something is wrong not giving you complete low end idle travel as it should?????
You might try disconnecting the throttle cable from the throttle plate and move the linkage manually back and forth towards low idle with the governor disconnected or loose on the shaft.

Does your governor lever arm look like this one on ebay?
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Messing with linkages getting close idle is rough!
 

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Wonderful Knew you could do it!
I went the long way around on this one
But know how change a governor now! haha
Now need to see if i can adjust everything to get engine to smooth out!
 

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I went the long way around on this one
But know how change a governor now! haha
Now need to see if i can adjust everything to get engine to smooth out!
Ok new problem
Only running on one cylinder??
Found by accident
Pulled plugs to check them one dirtier than other cleaned it up a bit put back in and engine running perfectly!
Then I looked and saw forgot to put wire on the dirtier plug side!
Put it back on engine runs rougher!
Pulled other plug to test dirty plug side and no start! Engine turns no start!
So cylinder problem!
Maybe new coil?
Spark plug?
 
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Ok new problem
Only running on one cylinder??
Found by accident
Pulled plugs to check them one dirtier than other cleaned it up a bit put back in and engine running perfectly!
Then I looked and saw forgot to put wire on the dirtier plug side!
Put it back on engine runs rougher!
Pulled other plug to test dirty plug side and no start! Engine turns no start!
So cylinder problem!
Maybe new coil?
Spark plug?
 

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Ok its not the coil!
It did start on with just one wire on each plug individually?
 

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Somewhere in the back of my mind I remember that for the ignition module to function both wires must be connected to a spark plug. yet the service manual does not specify.

Does your engine have points or is it magnatron
Note the trouble shooting paragraph and illustration below.

If someone can say I'm wrong -- please do so.


With spark plugs installed, attach a #19368 ignition
tester to each spark plug lead and ground the other end
of the tester as shown in Fig. 8. Spin the flywheel
rapidly with engine starter. If spark jumps the tester
gaps, you may assume the ignition system is functioning
satisfactorily.

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McTurff

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Somewhere in the back of my mind I remember that for the ignition module to function both wires must be connected to a spark plug. yet the service manual does not specify.

Does your engine have points or is it magnatron
Note the trouble shooting paragraph and illustration below.

If someone can say I'm wrong -- please do so.


With spark plugs installed, attach a #19368 ignition
tester to each spark plug lead and ground the other end
of the tester as shown in Fig. 8. Spin the flywheel
rapidly with engine starter. If spark jumps the tester
gaps, you may assume the ignition system is functioning
satisfactorily.

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Yes coil
Magnatron!
 

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Latest i have spark at eack plug
Engine still rough
Trying to get it to idle right
 

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Couple questions:
Can you hold the carb linkage at idle and get a slow idle? (I'm talking about holding the carb shaft against the idle set screw)

Next: You mention that yours runs at high rpm even with the dash control set at slow. If so you have a throttle plate control problem instead of a governor problem.
In post #31 and 33 I posted that I my opposed twins will slow idle with the dash control set at slow and the governor not even needed. The governor arm is actually locked out mechanically and not even used at slow idle on mine,(cannot even move the governor arm with hand because it's locked mechanically at low idle) but does have a governored idle part way up on the dash throttle.

My engine model types and codes are as follows 422707 1263 01, code 9403105A and 42E707 2631 E1 code 9811235B and both use the same governor arm and throttle plate and springs.

Your engine shows on parts lists that it uses the same governor arm and throttle plate as my engines. (but Briggs does have other type throttle plates and governor arms for the opposed twins and they must be kept matched for correct mechanical governor/throttle operation)

Post up some good pictures of your governor arm and throttle plate. I see that Briggs has different type throttle plates and governor arms for the opposed twins is why I ask about pictures of yours.

Also post up close up pictures of yours throttle plate when at idle and also a full throttle.
It's running now governor working
With dash at slow idle can get it to idle almost where I want it but have to push to idle screw a little
That is without the spring that goes to tang
That spring gives to much tension and will pull up to higher idle speeds
This all with air cleaner off
If I put my hand over carb seems I can get it to run a little smoother and adjust the air fuel screw below carb!
I do have spark to both plugs now and engine will run on each plug wire individually meaning if I pull one plug wire at a time it starts and runs!
I can tell this is going to take some fine tuning!
 

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So your carb has the jet adjust on the front of the carb?
If so that screw is for slow idle smooth engine idle adjust. I've seen some that just 1/4 turn difference CW-CCW will produce non-smooth idle and some will need just a slight different adjust from cold engine to warm engine. I usually go for the smoothest warm engine setting. Briggs says to start around 1 1/2 turns out but I've seen some want to be correct at just 1/2 turn out.
Some of them carb that do not have a low jet adjust and just will not be real smooth at idle. I prefer the type carbs that can be adjusted.
Also YOU WILL find that sometimes the engine will be running smooth for long period of time and eventually start running little bit rough and keep getting worse. Instead of pulling the carb off, Just let the engine cool and remove the bowl drain bolt and drain the carb bowl and SURPRISE 90% of time it will then run smooth. Do not drain the bowl when the engine is hot because the gas spills direct onto the hot muffler. (might have to prime the carb throat afterwards to get quick start up)
Quite often I've cleared up a rough run also on the opposed twin carbs without removing the carb from the manifold. Take the 4 screws out of the top and the gasket will need to come up with the top because the float is under the gasket. I can usually be careful and use a putty knife and work the gasket loose from the bottom section of the carb and quite often the gasket will remain good.
If the gasket breaks just replace and be sure you use the correct one of the several from a kit and lube the gasket when going back with vaseline on both sides.
After removing the top on a rough runner just use low pressure air 20# or so and blow air across the top of the carb or use canned carb cleaned into the jet holes. Do not direct inject air compressor air, just wave the nozzle across the top of the carb jet area, re-install the top and test. If you have the carb off the manifold be sure and use a gasket on EACH SIDE of the plastic spacer below the carb to manifold.
If your does not straighten up just install another carb and re-test.

Next:. HEADS UP CAUTION
Be sure you get them 3 screws that hold the breather pan to the carb body good and snug. They will vibrate loose and go inside the engine. I use a blue locktite threadlocker on them just enough that they won't back out due to vibs.

That engine uses champion RJ19LM spark plugs or equal.
If it gets hard to start when hot replace the plugs and if that don't get a go replace the magneto and set the air gap at .010. I get good operation from the $20 magnetos, just be sure it's not installed upside down, some are labeled up in small letters, some not labeled.

Them type carbs are user friendly to work on and usually very reliable until they get a small slug of water inside.
 
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