Lowballers

The phone deal started in 1996 under Clinton continued thing the Bush years, but the first phone was given out in 2008 when Obama was in office. Check the facts mouthy.
 
TaskForceLawnCare said:
I'm not upset and yes I will absolutely throw my opinions at an extreme low baller like the one we're referencing. Why would anyone defend someone trying to steal your customers with free or $10 mows. For those prices they may as well be a charity.

I haven't lost a customer in at least 5 years. I run a successful business with a comprehensive plan. do you have a business plan, or do you even own one? Wal Mart is a pathetic comparison to a professional service by the way.

As far as self respect goes you now yards for free or $10 a yard then go home ask yourself do respect myself for losing money all day.

The low baller isn't competing with me I provide high end lawn services. Something they can't do. Fact they are idiots trying to make a quick buck and are mostly an annoyense. Not to mention a tax burden.
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I can understand how you don't have to worry about the "lowballer", you have a plan and high end customers. But tell me this, How do you know that the "lowballer" "is a tax burden".
 
Carscw said:
There is a difference between someone just starting out and low balling.

Around here price starts at $35 for a small 1/4 acre yard guy bids $25 or $30 because he is just starting out. Ok that's fine. But then you have the low balling fools that will do it for $10. All it does is drive the price down for everyone.

I bid 3 acres a foot tall at $150.00 a guy bid $30
Two days later guy calls me and said this guy has been cutting all day and maybe has a 1/4 acre done can you come cut this. I told him my price is now $200 because I have to fix the mess now. Took me a hour and a half.

These guys think because they have a truck and a homemade trailer with a wore out snapper rer and a $15 pawn shop blower and trimmer that they are now pros.

How can you make many doing lawn care making $20 a hour? It takes one bad day to put them out of business. They hit a rock. Bend a $30 blade and snap a $40 belt or break a $80 spindle. Now they sit and think borrow money and fix the mower or get some more beer.

I find that around here if you bid to cheap the homeowner won't even talk to you. They know that if you bid half of what others bid your not doing a good job.

Anyone can cut grass but not everyone can do it right.
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If you are doing a good job then why are you so worried?
 
gfp55 said:
The phone deal started in 1996 under Clinton continued thing the Bush years, but the first phone was given out in 2008 when Obama was in office. Check the facts mouthy.
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Actually No presidents had anything to do with it. The whole thing began back in 1996 when the Federal Communications Commission authorized the programs for landline phones. At that time it provided discounts on landline phones only, for obvious reasons. To this day the government provides discounts on landline phones for financially disadvantaged people in the United States and U.S. territories. The Link-Up portion helps with the installation and the Lifeline Assistance part helps with the monthly bills, to the tune of roughly ten dollars a month.
So, the subsidization of phones began under President Clinton, and has continued under Presidents Bush and Obama.
Over that time, the usage of cell phones rose and the costs came down. Assuming one believes in the Lifeline program in the first place, and remembering that the FCC has mandated the program, it only makes sense to expand the phone assistance program to include cell phones. So, in 2008 the first application of this program for mobile phones began when a company called Tracfone started their Safelink Wireless service in Tennessee.
Aha, some say, that's the same year Obama was elected! Well, that's true. But the service in Tennessee was launched three months prior to Obama being elected. And that means the discussion and approval of the extension of the program occurred under President Bushs watch.
 
Carscw said:
Dumb azz the first free gov cell phone was handed out in 2008 after he took office.
Maybe you need to get the facts.
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Ric said:
Actually No presidents had anything to do with it. The whole thing began back in 1996 when the Federal Communications Commission authorized the programs for landline phones. At that time it provided discounts on landline phones only, for obvious reasons. To this day the government provides discounts on landline phones for financially disadvantaged people in the United States and U.S. territories. The Link-Up portion helps with the installation and the Lifeline Assistance part helps with the monthly bills, to the tune of roughly ten dollars a month.
So, the subsidization of phones began under President Clinton, and has continued under Presidents Bush and Obama.
Over that time, the usage of cell phones rose and the costs came down. Assuming one believes in the Lifeline program in the first place, and remembering that the FCC has mandated the program, it only makes sense to expand the phone assistance program to include cell phones. So, in 2008 the first application of this program for mobile phones began when a company called Tracfone started their Safelink Wireless service in Tennessee.
Aha, some say, that's the same year Obama was elected! Well, that's true. But the service in Tennessee was launched three months prior to Obama being elected. And that means the discussion and approval of the extension of the program occurred under President Bushs watch.
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So So who's the "Dumb Azz" now. Carscw
 
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Like I said the first cell phone was handed out after Obama was in office. This is why they call it the Obama phone. Even tho he had not a thing to do with it.

I read the same thing
 
OMFG NO ONE GOT A FREE GOV CELL PHONE BEFORE HE WAS IN OFFICE


The program might have been started before hand but NO phones where shipped to anyone.

Go read the whole thing not just what ric copied and pasted.
 
Carscw said:
This was just to easy to get you off of low balling to something else.
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OK OK If you say so you must be right.Free gov. cell phones are Obama's fault. You are right, I'm wrong. Will that shut you up on that. If you are doing a good job and your customers are happy,why are you so against someone charging less then you. If they go to your customers and try to take them and if they do take them, your customers must not be happy with your work. This so called "low balling" is nothing new, I had customers taken from me, but I would talk to the customer and ask what I could do to get them back. If they still went with the other person must of the time I would get them back after the new company made a mess of things. Then I knew the customer was mine forever, then I now knew my work was fair for the money. I didn't scold or charge them more to fix the mess. I got holiday bonuses from some of my older customers. I also sent cards of thanks. I did free cleanups after parties, weddings, funerals, ect. In the winter I not only shoveled and salted their porches, landings and sidewalks, I would sweep them also. I even would get their mail from the mailbox for them. I had customers that would call me at all hours and always I said was happy they called, and how can I help them, usually older folks. After awhile I had other people doing the hard work and I payed them very well. I did not have all new trucks, trailers, mowers, ect. I had my own above ground bulk fuel tanks, cheaper by the gallon that way, bulk engine oil and 2 cycle oil by the case. I never had to worry about the bank coming to repo my trucks. If I could not pay cash/check, then I didn't get a new or used truck. I had trucks that were 20 years old, new paint or new motor got me by. My equipment, mowers, trucks, trailers, tractor, roller, sprayers, ect. were always clean and the same color with my logo on the sides. If it rained I had my workers fix things, work on equipment, powerwash things. That way they had a good check at the end of the week. I had a good customer base and I did whatever I had to to keep them. That didn't always work, but I tried. I still sent cards to keep my name in their minds. I think if you give the customer their moneys worth the other guys can't take them from you. But thats just me.
 
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