Spindles on 48" tiger cub

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I have a 2003 scag tiger cub, 48" cut with 800+ hrs. Have recently noticed a chattering/clattering sound while deck is engaged. Cutting performance is great, have checked all deck components and all seems ok. What sounds are made by failing spindles?
 
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A chattering sound.
Also made by a defect in a belt, flat spot on an idler pulley, loose pulley or blade bolt, loose spindle mount loose deck mount, tight /failing clutch, out of balance blades
I would have thought spindle bearings would be done around the 500 hr mark.
Any way slip the belt off completely and spin the blades, listen for rumbling.
similar with the idler pulleys.
Inspect the blades
 

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After about 20 or so minutes of operation shut it down and check temperatures of the different bearing housings and idler bearings by feeling with your hand. One is often surprised how accurate a test that can be.
 

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Gees you could really get your fingers burnt relying on that test :laughing:

just could not help myself.
 

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I have a 2003 scag tiger cub, 48" cut with 800+ hrs. Have recently noticed a chattering/clattering sound while deck is engaged. Cutting performance is great, have checked all deck components and all seems ok. What sounds are made by failing spindles?

Will be giving regular servicing on my scag today. Will remove deck belt again and re- examine all deck components as well as clutch. Will let you know what reveals itself. Thanks for all the input.:thumbsup:
 

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A chattering sound.
Also made by a defect in a belt, flat spot on an idler pulley, loose pulley or blade bolt, loose spindle mount loose deck mount, tight /failing clutch, out of balance blades
I would have thought spindle bearings would be done around the 500 hr mark.
Any way slip the belt off completely and spin the blades, listen for rumbling.
similar with the idler pulleys.
Inspect the blades

After regular servicing, removed belt and found slight play in spindle when pulling up and down on blade tip. Have new replacement spindles handy, but was unable to remove hub and pulley and key from spindle assembly. Is there a trick to this? Hub and pulley have been on spindles for 12 yrs. now and are locked on like," a politician's grin." Don't want to attempt prying them up, looks like it could damage pulley. Any advise?
 

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After regular servicing, removed belt and found slight play in spindle when pulling up and down on blade tip. Have new replacement spindles handy, but was unable to remove hub and pulley and key from spindle assembly. Is there a trick to this? Hub and pulley have been on spindles for 12 yrs. now and are locked on like," a politician's grin." Don't want to attempt prying them up, looks like it could damage pulley. Any advise?

A strong penetrating fluid like Kroll ? and some heat.
If you have a bearing seperator that supports the whole pulley use that with a puller and rattle gun.
This is why a good shop charges more for a service as these should get pulled every couple of years & light greased.

Check the end play on your new spindles as most spindles use balls rather than tappered rollers and they must have some play or they can not rotate properly.
 

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A strong penetrating fluid like Kroll ? and some heat.
If you have a bearing seperator that supports the whole pulley use that with a puller and rattle gun.
This is why a good shop charges more for a service as these should get pulled every couple of years & light greased.

Check the end play on your new spindles as most spindles use balls rather than tapered rollers and they must have some play or they can not rotate properly.

Thanks much...nice to get advice from the other side of our globe. Happy mowing to you.:thumbsup:
 

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Do you have an operators/parts manual for your machine? If not, get the machine model and PIN numbers, go to the Scag website, click on manuals, find your machine and download the manual.
As has been mentioned, remove both of the V belts from the deck and spin each rotating component to determine which may be problematic.
To remove a spindle assembly, the blade bolt must be removed first. The spindle pulleys have several parts, the hub, pulley, key and two bolts.
The pulley is set onto the spindle, the hub is then set on lined onto the key, the two bolts draw the pulley up onto the hub and squeeze the hub securing it tightly to the spindle shaft. The reverse will disassemble the pulley for removal. Unless there is corrosion, these pulley components are generally easily removed. With the two bolts removed, tapping on the pulley will loosen it from the hub and it will drop down. The hub, unless there is corrosion, will usually come up and off. If not, then a two or three jaw puller can be used, but protection of the spindle top to prevent damage to it from the puller screw will be needed.
Measure the distance from each pulley to the deck top before removing them so they can be placed back in the same position.
The Scag operators manual has a maintenance schedule that includes the spindles which are to be lubricated with the specified grease at 40 hour intervals. The idler pulleys are a condition change item and any roughness, noise, radial or axial movement is cause to replace them.
The idler/tensioner pulleys have non replaceable ball bearings. The spindles have two tapered roller bearings that are preloaded against each other for smooth turning of the spindle at high RPM.
 
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