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So I was workin in my shop the other day...
#1
grumpygrizzly
grumpygrizzly
Had a Stihl 048 Chainsaw on my bench I was working on. Had a bad gas leak.
The wife and I had just come back from Costco (The big warehouse stores where you can buy a 40 pack of toilet paper, half a cow, etc.) and we LOVE the hotdog and drink deal for $1.50. I'd finished my hot dog and took my lemonade out and set it on my bench next to where I was working..
I don't use the straws at the Costco stores because the dispenser for the straws puts out unwrapped straws that everyone puts thier hands and fingers on when getting their straws. Germ factory in a straw container. I'm not a germ-a-phobe by any means but, that is nasty.
Anyway, I've got a large syringe with a piece of gas line on the tip for syphoning out gas from tanks. I'd syphon a syringe full out and squirt it in a plastic container.. Syphon, squirt, syphon squirt..
Took a break for a few seconds to get a sip of lemonade..
Let me be the first to tell ya. Lemonade and 2 stroke gas/oil mix..... Yeah, it's not gonna make it.. Apparently I has squirted a bit of the mixed gas into the lemonade cup..
Wow, what a shock..
What "O' Crap" moments have you had in your shop??
The wife and I had just come back from Costco (The big warehouse stores where you can buy a 40 pack of toilet paper, half a cow, etc.) and we LOVE the hotdog and drink deal for $1.50. I'd finished my hot dog and took my lemonade out and set it on my bench next to where I was working..
I don't use the straws at the Costco stores because the dispenser for the straws puts out unwrapped straws that everyone puts thier hands and fingers on when getting their straws. Germ factory in a straw container. I'm not a germ-a-phobe by any means but, that is nasty.
Anyway, I've got a large syringe with a piece of gas line on the tip for syphoning out gas from tanks. I'd syphon a syringe full out and squirt it in a plastic container.. Syphon, squirt, syphon squirt..
Took a break for a few seconds to get a sip of lemonade..
Let me be the first to tell ya. Lemonade and 2 stroke gas/oil mix..... Yeah, it's not gonna make it.. Apparently I has squirted a bit of the mixed gas into the lemonade cup..
Wow, what a shock..
What "O' Crap" moments have you had in your shop??
#2
Michael72
Been there done that!....cig ash and oil in the coffee....and few moments where do i go to the doc or see what happens!!
Michael72
Had a Stihl 048 Chainsaw on my bench I was working on. Had a bad gas leak.
The wife and I had just come back from Costco (The big warehouse stores where you can buy a 40 pack of toilet paper, half a cow, etc.) and we LOVE the hotdog and drink deal for $1.50. I'd finished my hot dog and took my lemonade out and set it on my bench next to where I was working..
I don't use the straws at the Costco stores because the dispenser for the straws puts out unwrapped straws that everyone puts thier hands and fingers on when getting their straws. Germ factory in a straw container. I'm not a germ-a-phobe by any means but, that is nasty.
Anyway, I've got a large syringe with a piece of gas line on the tip for syphoning out gas from tanks. I'd syphon a syringe full out and squirt it in a plastic container.. Syphon, squirt, syphon squirt..
Took a break for a few seconds to get a sip of lemonade..
Let me be the first to tell ya. Lemonade and 2 stroke gas/oil mix..... Yeah, it's not gonna make it.. Apparently I has squirted a bit of the mixed gas into the lemonade cup..
Wow, what a shock..
What "O' Crap" moments have you had in your shop??
Been there done that!....cig ash and oil in the coffee....and few moments where do i go to the doc or see what happens!!
#3
reynoldston
reynoldston
I guess that is one advantage of a gravel driveway and living in the country. If I have a chainsaw to drain the fuel tank I just dump it in my driveway.
#4
Michael72
Gravel is good.....anything i spill is there until the stain is replaced by a new one!
Michael72
I guess that is one advantage of a gravel driveway and living in the country. If I have a chainsaw to drain the fuel tank I just dump it in my driveway.
Gravel is good.....anything i spill is there until the stain is replaced by a new one!
#5
exotion
exotion
My whole shop doesnt have a floor if I spill or dump stuff just bury it and no nosy neighbors
#6
Ric
Ric
OMG.......NOW I'VE HEARD EVERYTHING :frown:
#7
reynoldston
I like a concrete floor in my shop, it gets cleaned after every job and some time in between a job. One thing I do like is a clean, smooth, hard and dry floor to work on. If I do spill fuel or oil it gets cleaned up right away. As I work all removed hardware go's in a pan or box. After ever days work all the tools get cleaned and put back in there place. This makes it a lot easier keep tract of everything like tools and parts and make for better workmanship.
reynoldston
My whole shop doesnt have a floor if I spill or dump stuff just bury it and no nosy neighbors
I like a concrete floor in my shop, it gets cleaned after every job and some time in between a job. One thing I do like is a clean, smooth, hard and dry floor to work on. If I do spill fuel or oil it gets cleaned up right away. As I work all removed hardware go's in a pan or box. After ever days work all the tools get cleaned and put back in there place. This makes it a lot easier keep tract of everything like tools and parts and make for better workmanship.
#8
exotion
The likelihood I spill something is very small I'm very careful, however if you ever drop a screw or bolt I am very unlikely to find it ^^
exotion
I like a concrete floor in my shop, it gets cleaned after every job and some time in between a job. One thing I do like is a clean, smooth, hard and dry floor to work on. If I do spill fuel or oil it gets cleaned up right away. As I work all removed hardware go's in a pan or box. After ever days work all the tools get cleaned and put back in there place. This makes it a lot easier keep tract of everything like tools and parts and make for better workmanship.
The likelihood I spill something is very small I'm very careful, however if you ever drop a screw or bolt I am very unlikely to find it ^^
#9
reynoldston
I do find no matter how careful I am I do drop things and spill fluids. (old age) Why is it when I drop something small it seems to never go on the floor but it goes into the chassis or frame so I have a hard time finding it.
reynoldston
The likelihood I spill something is very small I'm very careful, however if you ever drop a screw or bolt I am very unlikely to find it ^^
I do find no matter how careful I am I do drop things and spill fluids. (old age) Why is it when I drop something small it seems to never go on the floor but it goes into the chassis or frame so I have a hard time finding it.
#10
Bison
Bison
On a place i worked as the only mechanic.
On one warm summer day i had an open half bottle of beer hid behind a leg of the work bench. While working outside on a piece of equipment some A -hole found it funny to drink my beer and refill it with hydr fluid.
Man, it took the rest of the day to get that foul taste out of my mouth.
Lucky I never found who done it cause i would've force fed him the rest of the barrel he got it from.
On one warm summer day i had an open half bottle of beer hid behind a leg of the work bench. While working outside on a piece of equipment some A -hole found it funny to drink my beer and refill it with hydr fluid.
Man, it took the rest of the day to get that foul taste out of my mouth.
Lucky I never found who done it cause i would've force fed him the rest of the barrel he got it from.
#11
grumpygrizzly
On the subject of gettin old.. I find that if I drop something on my concrete floor, even if I can see right where it is... If I can't find my magnetic pick up tool or that long claw grabby thing... It'll sit there until I drop a couple more pieces down in that general direction.. That way I only have to go down there once to pick it up but, if I'm lucky, I'll remember where I last placed one of my 4 or 5 magnetic pickup tools or the 3 or 4 long claw grabby sticks and if I can remember why I needed those tools in the first place.. then I'll go pick up the part if I can remember what part to pick up.. and don't get distracted by my 2 stroke lemonade on the way back to my bench..
If anyone followed along with that paragraph, consider yourself old and buy yourself some long grabby sticks before you forget..
grumpygrizzly
I do find no matter how careful I am I do drop things and spill fluids. (old age) Why is it when I drop something small it seems to never go on the floor but it goes into the chassis or frame so I have a hard time finding it.
On the subject of gettin old.. I find that if I drop something on my concrete floor, even if I can see right where it is... If I can't find my magnetic pick up tool or that long claw grabby thing... It'll sit there until I drop a couple more pieces down in that general direction.. That way I only have to go down there once to pick it up but, if I'm lucky, I'll remember where I last placed one of my 4 or 5 magnetic pickup tools or the 3 or 4 long claw grabby sticks and if I can remember why I needed those tools in the first place.. then I'll go pick up the part if I can remember what part to pick up.. and don't get distracted by my 2 stroke lemonade on the way back to my bench..
If anyone followed along with that paragraph, consider yourself old and buy yourself some long grabby sticks before you forget..
#12
reynoldston
I do have the shaky hands and poor eye sight but I am lucky I don't need the grabby sticks yet.
reynoldston
On the subject of gettin old.. I find that if I drop something on my concrete floor, even if I can see right where it is... If I can't find my magnetic pick up tool or that long claw grabby thing... It'll sit there until I drop a couple more pieces down in that general direction.. That way I only have to go down there once to pick it up but, if I'm lucky, I'll remember where I last placed one of my 4 or 5 magnetic pickup tools or the 3 or 4 long claw grabby sticks and if I can remember why I needed those tools in the first place.. then I'll go pick up the part if I can remember what part to pick up.. and don't get distracted by my 2 stroke lemonade on the way back to my bench..
If anyone followed along with that paragraph, consider yourself old and buy yourself some long grabby sticks before you forget..
I do have the shaky hands and poor eye sight but I am lucky I don't need the grabby sticks yet.
#13
Ric
Ric
There's a little thing called aquifer which is an underground layer of water-bearing permeable rock or materials from which groundwater can be extracted, our drinking water :licking: dumping fuel tanks and oils on the ground isn't helping the environment. You should store and dispose of your waste properly.I guess that is one advantage of a gravel driveway and living in the country. If I have a chainsaw to drain the fuel tank I just dump it in my driveway.
#14
reynoldston
Yes I do agree with this to a point. Most of my used oil or fuel go's to my son-in law who in turn use's it to burn in his shop heater. The town delivers my drinking water form lake Ontario. What little fuel that gets dumped out of a chainsaw or fluids that I spill on my shop floor isn't going to hurt the aquifer. I have seen more fluids dumped on the ground from someone's junkier car that gets driven down the road. That brings me to another point. I now see NY has added to it's car NYS inspection laws no fluid leaks to be able to pass a NYS inspection which I see as a good thing.
reynoldston
There's a little thing called aquifer which is an underground layer of water-bearing permeable rock or materials from which groundwater can be extracted, our drinking water :licking: dumping fuel tanks and oils on the ground isn't helping the environment. You should store and dispose of your waste properly.
Yes I do agree with this to a point. Most of my used oil or fuel go's to my son-in law who in turn use's it to burn in his shop heater. The town delivers my drinking water form lake Ontario. What little fuel that gets dumped out of a chainsaw or fluids that I spill on my shop floor isn't going to hurt the aquifer. I have seen more fluids dumped on the ground from someone's junkier car that gets driven down the road. That brings me to another point. I now see NY has added to it's car NYS inspection laws no fluid leaks to be able to pass a NYS inspection which I see as a good thing.
#15
Ric
What little fuel that gets dumped out of a chainsaw or fluids that I spill on my shop floor isn't going to hurt the aquifer. Will just take what you dump and add it to the other million or so people that do the same thing all the time and say it doesn't hurt the aquifer.
Ric
Yes I do agree with this to a point. Most of my used oil or fuel go's to my son-in law who in turn use's it to burn in his shop heater. The town delivers my drinking water form lake Ontario. What little fuel that gets dumped out of a chainsaw or fluids that I spill on my shop floor isn't going to hurt the aquifer. I have seen more fluids dumped on the ground from someone's junkier car that gets driven down the road. That brings me to another point. I now see NY has added to it's car NYS inspection laws no fluid leaks to be able to pass a NYS inspection which I see as a good thing.
What little fuel that gets dumped out of a chainsaw or fluids that I spill on my shop floor isn't going to hurt the aquifer. Will just take what you dump and add it to the other million or so people that do the same thing all the time and say it doesn't hurt the aquifer.
#16
exotion
exotion
The ground naturally filters the crap out ... I agree with you just saying
#17
Ric
Yeah I agree, the ground does act as a natural filter but there's always a certain amount that gets through just like the crap that gets through your air and oil filter on your mowers and we change those regularly to prevent damage. We need to dispose of things properly.
Ric
The ground naturally filters the crap out ... I agree with you just saying
Yeah I agree, the ground does act as a natural filter but there's always a certain amount that gets through just like the crap that gets through your air and oil filter on your mowers and we change those regularly to prevent damage. We need to dispose of things properly.
#18
reynoldston
If the million people were dumping in the same spot oh what a mess. Did I forget to tell you that there aren't a million people dumping in my driveway. Chain saw fuel tanks are small, might be a pint to the most. Now spills on my shop floor, a few ounces at a time and dried up with saw dust then put into the sweepings. I guess I don't understand what harm I am doing to the environment? Now if you do any amount of mechanic work I know you will get small spills from time to time, just what do you do when this happens? Like I said earlier a old junkier car going down the road spills more fluid then I do.
reynoldston
What little fuel that gets dumped out of a chainsaw or fluids that I spill on my shop floor isn't going to hurt the aquifer. Will just take what you dump and add it to the other million or so people that do the same thing all the time and say it doesn't hurt the aquifer.
If the million people were dumping in the same spot oh what a mess. Did I forget to tell you that there aren't a million people dumping in my driveway. Chain saw fuel tanks are small, might be a pint to the most. Now spills on my shop floor, a few ounces at a time and dried up with saw dust then put into the sweepings. I guess I don't understand what harm I am doing to the environment? Now if you do any amount of mechanic work I know you will get small spills from time to time, just what do you do when this happens? Like I said earlier a old junkier car going down the road spills more fluid then I do.
#19
exotion
Think it was aimed at me lol. Yes it's happened a few times had a crank case split once lots of oil fell onto my gravel floor not much I can do. The biggest was that I accidentally cut a water hose on a car before I could find my fluid catcher most had spilled and sank in.
Usually lots of extra precautions are used so I don't spill very often the aquifer under me is nearly a mile below surface I think I'm good
exotion
If the million people were dumping in the same spot oh what a mess. Did I forget to tell you that there aren't a million people dumping in my driveway. Chain saw fuel tanks are small, might be a pint to the most. Now spills on my shop floor, a few ounces at a time and dried up with saw dust then put into the sweepings. I guess I don't understand what harm I am doing to the environment? Now if you do any amount of mechanic work I know you will get small spills from time to time, just what do you do when this happens? Like I said earlier a old junkier car going down the road spills more fluid then I do.
Think it was aimed at me lol. Yes it's happened a few times had a crank case split once lots of oil fell onto my gravel floor not much I can do. The biggest was that I accidentally cut a water hose on a car before I could find my fluid catcher most had spilled and sank in.
Usually lots of extra precautions are used so I don't spill very often the aquifer under me is nearly a mile below surface I think I'm good
#20
reynoldston
No it wasn't aimed at you it was aimed at Ric. You seem to talk with some common sense here. What do you do if you are out in the back 40 and a hydraulic hose breaks? It gets filtered in the ground. I live in the real world. No I don't think its a good idea just to dump all your used oil on the ground. Did I say I was getting along in years, because I can remember the days when the town would oil down the dirt roads to control the dust. Also what about all the tons of salt that the towns use for ice control now days.
reynoldston
Think it was aimed at me lol. Yes it's happened a few times had a crank case split once lots of oil fell onto my gravel floor not much I can do. The biggest was that I accidentally cut a water hose on a car before I could find my fluid catcher most had spilled and sank in.
Usually lots of extra precautions are used so I don't spill very often the aquifer under me is nearly a mile below surface I think I'm good
No it wasn't aimed at you it was aimed at Ric. You seem to talk with some common sense here. What do you do if you are out in the back 40 and a hydraulic hose breaks? It gets filtered in the ground. I live in the real world. No I don't think its a good idea just to dump all your used oil on the ground. Did I say I was getting along in years, because I can remember the days when the town would oil down the dirt roads to control the dust. Also what about all the tons of salt that the towns use for ice control now days.
#21
Ric
There was nothing aimed at you personally.
If the million people were dumping in the same spot oh what a mess. I agree with that and that's what's happening everyday. You pour your chain saw fuel in the drive, the guy down the road changes his oil in the car and he takes it out and pours it along his fence line to kill the grass. The next time you want to dump you chain saw do it in on your front lawn and in a couple of days ask your question what harm I am doing to the environment when your grass has died and the ground where you pour gas oil mix wont grow grass for a couple of month. Now I know accidents can happen but I also know that the greatest majority can be avoided if you think about the job you're going to do before you do it.
Ric
Think it was aimed at me lol. Yes it's happened a few times had a crank case split once lots of oil fell onto my gravel floor not much I can do. The biggest was that I accidentally cut a water hose on a car before I could find my fluid catcher most had spilled and sank in.
Usually lots of extra precautions are used so I don't spill very often the aquifer under me is nearly a mile below surface I think I'm good
There was nothing aimed at you personally.
If the million people were dumping in the same spot oh what a mess. Did I forget to tell you that there aren't a million people dumping in my driveway. Chain saw fuel tanks are small, might be a pint to the most. Now spills on my shop floor, a few ounces at a time and dried up with saw dust then put into the sweepings. I guess I don't understand what harm I am doing to the environment? Now if you do any amount of mechanic work I know you will get small spills from time to time, just what do you do when this happens? Like I said earlier a old junkier car going down the road spills more fluid then I do.
If the million people were dumping in the same spot oh what a mess. I agree with that and that's what's happening everyday. You pour your chain saw fuel in the drive, the guy down the road changes his oil in the car and he takes it out and pours it along his fence line to kill the grass. The next time you want to dump you chain saw do it in on your front lawn and in a couple of days ask your question what harm I am doing to the environment when your grass has died and the ground where you pour gas oil mix wont grow grass for a couple of month. Now I know accidents can happen but I also know that the greatest majority can be avoided if you think about the job you're going to do before you do it.
#22
B
bertsmobile1
B
bertsmobile1
Well Actually, individuals doing exactly this is the second best alternative.
Best of course is to capture the oil and take it to an oil dump so it can be burned in ships ( oil recycling is mostly a myth )
Second best is dispersing in small volumes like along your fence line where naturally occurring microbes & bacteria will do an excellent job in breaking down the oil and returning the nutrients & minerals to the soil.
Yes do it often enough & you will get a build up of some heavy metals, but these exist in nature, they are called ore deposits.
You will also cause some small changes to the micro enviroment where you do it, but tip oil on the fence for 200 years & you will still not cause as big a disruption to the local enviroment as building a house but one one says boo to that and don't even think about what enviromental damage is dome with chemical termite barriers but we are all happy to do that without thought, but spill a drop of any petro chemical and suddenly it becomes a national tragedy .
The most environmentally dangerious thing you can do is to tip detergents down gutter but no one thinks twice about doing that.
Best of course is to capture the oil and take it to an oil dump so it can be burned in ships ( oil recycling is mostly a myth )
Second best is dispersing in small volumes like along your fence line where naturally occurring microbes & bacteria will do an excellent job in breaking down the oil and returning the nutrients & minerals to the soil.
Yes do it often enough & you will get a build up of some heavy metals, but these exist in nature, they are called ore deposits.
You will also cause some small changes to the micro enviroment where you do it, but tip oil on the fence for 200 years & you will still not cause as big a disruption to the local enviroment as building a house but one one says boo to that and don't even think about what enviromental damage is dome with chemical termite barriers but we are all happy to do that without thought, but spill a drop of any petro chemical and suddenly it becomes a national tragedy .
The most environmentally dangerious thing you can do is to tip detergents down gutter but no one thinks twice about doing that.
#23
Ric
Illegal Oil Dumping
Illegal oil dumping poses numerous known hazards to both humans and wildlife. Depending on the location and extent of the dumping, contamination in the food and water supply in the area can affect wildlife and humans for years to come, especially if done commercially. However, most illegal oil dumping takes the form of individual citizens attempting to remove old automobile oil from their residences without taking it to the proper dump sites. Oil dumping, when done by individuals or businesses, is not only environmentally unsafe, but also, illegal as well.
Laws on Oil Dumping
Environmental protection laws and other oil dumping court decisions have noted that illegal dumping of oil, whether by individuals or business is a criminal offense. Depending on the severity and scope of the environment protection law violations, as well as the overall amount of damages incurred from the illegal dumping, prosecutors can charge individuals with fines, community service hours, and in some cases, criminal counts resulting in jail or prison sentences. Additionally, fines related to illegal oil dumping will not only include the cost of cleanup, but also, the cost of damages incurred to other businesses, municipalities, and individuals, as well as the very real possibility of punitive damages being assessed as well.
Ric
Well Actually, individuals doing exactly this is the second best alternative.
Best of course is to capture the oil and take it to an oil dump so it can be burned in ships ( oil recycling is mostly a myth )
Second best is dispersing in small volumes like along your fence line where naturally occurring microbes & bacteria will do an excellent job in breaking down the oil and returning the nutrients & minerals to the soil.
Yes do it often enough & you will get a build up of some heavy metals, but these exist in nature, they are called ore deposits.
You will also cause some small changes to the micro enviroment where you do it, but tip oil on the fence for 200 years & you will still not cause as big a disruption to the local enviroment as building a house but one one says boo to that and don't even think about what enviromental damage is dome with chemical termite barriers but we are all happy to do that without thought, but spill a drop of any petro chemical and suddenly it becomes a national tragedy .
The most environmentally dangerious thing you can do is to tip detergents down gutter but no one thinks twice about doing that.
Illegal Oil Dumping
Illegal oil dumping poses numerous known hazards to both humans and wildlife. Depending on the location and extent of the dumping, contamination in the food and water supply in the area can affect wildlife and humans for years to come, especially if done commercially. However, most illegal oil dumping takes the form of individual citizens attempting to remove old automobile oil from their residences without taking it to the proper dump sites. Oil dumping, when done by individuals or businesses, is not only environmentally unsafe, but also, illegal as well.
Laws on Oil Dumping
Environmental protection laws and other oil dumping court decisions have noted that illegal dumping of oil, whether by individuals or business is a criminal offense. Depending on the severity and scope of the environment protection law violations, as well as the overall amount of damages incurred from the illegal dumping, prosecutors can charge individuals with fines, community service hours, and in some cases, criminal counts resulting in jail or prison sentences. Additionally, fines related to illegal oil dumping will not only include the cost of cleanup, but also, the cost of damages incurred to other businesses, municipalities, and individuals, as well as the very real possibility of punitive damages being assessed as well.
#24
M
Mikel1
The chemical fertilizers homeowners use on their lawns and farmers use on their crops is bad as well. The inorganic salts destroy earthworms and soil microbes. Then there are pesticides the farmers use. These runoff into creeks and rivers and into the water table.
M
Mikel1
Well Actually, individuals doing exactly this is the second best alternative.
Best of course is to capture the oil and take it to an oil dump so it can be burned in ships ( oil recycling is mostly a myth )
Second best is dispersing in small volumes like along your fence line where naturally occurring microbes & bacteria will do an excellent job in breaking down the oil and returning the nutrients & minerals to the soil.
Yes do it often enough & you will get a build up of some heavy metals, but these exist in nature, they are called ore deposits.
You will also cause some small changes to the micro enviroment where you do it, but tip oil on the fence for 200 years & you will still not cause as big a disruption to the local enviroment as building a house but one one says boo to that and don't even think about what enviromental damage is dome with chemical termite barriers but we are all happy to do that without thought, but spill a drop of any petro chemical and suddenly it becomes a national tragedy .
The most environmentally dangerious thing you can do is to tip detergents down gutter but no one thinks twice about doing that.
The chemical fertilizers homeowners use on their lawns and farmers use on their crops is bad as well. The inorganic salts destroy earthworms and soil microbes. Then there are pesticides the farmers use. These runoff into creeks and rivers and into the water table.
#25
exotion
Need a "like" button
exotion
The chemical fertilizers homeowners use on their lawns and farmers use on their crops is bad as well. The inorganic salts destroy earthworms and soil microbes. Then there are pesticides the farmers use. These runoff into creeks and rivers and into the water table.
Need a "like" button
#26
B
bertsmobile1
Didn't say it was legal.
But the warning to all & sundry is quite prudient.
I said it was the second best way to dispose of old oil.
But then laws are seldom made by people with the necessary educaton or background to actually decipher the scientific information that they usually choose to ignore in any case.
Usually they start from a good idea, ie they don't want people like me tossing 100 gallons a month onto the ground & that I support because it is too much for the environment to handle without some sort of accelerated remediation like planting fungi and seeding with bacteria.
Then to prove they are doing their job, justify their existence and based on the more is better philosophy the sensible legeslation gets expanded to the absurd to the point where it is now illegal to put a grease nipple on a mower just in case the excess grease is not cleaned off gets thrown off into the grass then washed into the rivers.
However 200,000 gallons of quite toxic petro chemical solvents leeching out of bitumen road surfaces is quite fine because it will cost the state too much to replace the tarred surfaces with either cobble or concrete.
So now nearly all spindles run on the wrong type of bearings for the load they are carrying as you really can not make fully sealed tappered roller bearings adjustable.
And yes all blade spindles should have either 2 tappered rollers or one taper & one plain roller. a double ball is just about the worst bearing for the biaxial loads the spindles work under.
B
bertsmobile1
Illegal Oil Dumping
Illegal oil dumping poses numerous known hazards to both humans and wildlife. Depending on the location and extent of the dumping, contamination in the food and water supply in the area can affect wildlife and humans for years to come, especially if done commercially. However, most illegal oil dumping takes the form of individual citizens attempting to remove old automobile oil from their residences without taking it to the proper dump sites. Oil dumping, when done by individuals or businesses, is not only environmentally unsafe, but also, illegal as well.
Laws on Oil Dumping
Environmental protection laws and other oil dumping court decisions have noted that illegal dumping of oil, whether by individuals or business is a criminal offense. Depending on the severity and scope of the environment protection law violations, as well as the overall amount of damages incurred from the illegal dumping, prosecutors can charge individuals with fines, community service hours, and in some cases, criminal counts resulting in jail or prison sentences. Additionally, fines related to illegal oil dumping will not only include the cost of cleanup, but also, the cost of damages incurred to other businesses, municipalities, and individuals, as well as the very real possibility of punitive damages being assessed as well.
Didn't say it was legal.
But the warning to all & sundry is quite prudient.
I said it was the second best way to dispose of old oil.
But then laws are seldom made by people with the necessary educaton or background to actually decipher the scientific information that they usually choose to ignore in any case.
Usually they start from a good idea, ie they don't want people like me tossing 100 gallons a month onto the ground & that I support because it is too much for the environment to handle without some sort of accelerated remediation like planting fungi and seeding with bacteria.
Then to prove they are doing their job, justify their existence and based on the more is better philosophy the sensible legeslation gets expanded to the absurd to the point where it is now illegal to put a grease nipple on a mower just in case the excess grease is not cleaned off gets thrown off into the grass then washed into the rivers.
However 200,000 gallons of quite toxic petro chemical solvents leeching out of bitumen road surfaces is quite fine because it will cost the state too much to replace the tarred surfaces with either cobble or concrete.
So now nearly all spindles run on the wrong type of bearings for the load they are carrying as you really can not make fully sealed tappered roller bearings adjustable.
And yes all blade spindles should have either 2 tappered rollers or one taper & one plain roller. a double ball is just about the worst bearing for the biaxial loads the spindles work under.
#27
Carscw
Carscw
OMG
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#28
Ric
You get no argument from me. You just prove my point, it just makes the disposal of oil and waste and what every individual does with it that much more important. Just because someone decides there too lazy to dispose of waste correctly doesn't make it right for others to do the same.
Just because someone says the laws are seldom made by people with the necessary education or background to actually decipher the scientific information that they usually choose to ignore in any case doesn't mean he and others have the right to go around breaking those laws. People who break laws generally end up in prison, that's why there full.
Ric
The chemical fertilizers homeowners use on their lawns and farmers use on their crops is bad as well. The inorganic salts destroy earthworms and soil microbes. Then there are pesticides the farmers use. These runoff into creeks and rivers and into the water table.
You get no argument from me. You just prove my point, it just makes the disposal of oil and waste and what every individual does with it that much more important. Just because someone decides there too lazy to dispose of waste correctly doesn't make it right for others to do the same.
Just because someone says the laws are seldom made by people with the necessary education or background to actually decipher the scientific information that they usually choose to ignore in any case doesn't mean he and others have the right to go around breaking those laws. People who break laws generally end up in prison, that's why there full.
#29
jakewells
jakewells
i dispose of waste oil and stale gas in my oil burner but it is more oil than stale fuel. i just changed oil in my hydro splitter and topped off the heater with some aw32.
#30
robert@honda
robert@honda
I used to work at a car stereo shop. There was a big demo board of systems n the showroom, and the backside was open to the shop. Wires everywhere, and a workbench with a vise, wire tools, and a soldering iron. The owner kept the iron hot and clamped its handle into the vise. (Can you see where this is going?) Anyway, owner was trying to demo a system with a customer, and the system would not turn on, so he runs around to the back side and thinks the wires have come loose. The system he's trying to demo is at the top level, out of reach due to the workbench, so the owner starts to climb up the bench to get to the wires, and lifts himself upward but does not have enough forward motion to grab the top of the display, and he's falling backwards now and his hand reaches out to grab what he thought was the vise handle.
Inner Ear: Brain! We're falling! Do something!
Brain: Right hand, reach out and grab the vise handle to stop our fall!
Eye: No visual yet Brain
Brain: Right hand, it's there, so just grab
Right Hand: Okay, grabbing...and making contact now...OMG this thing is burning HOT! Must release NOW!
Inner Ear: NO! We'll fall down on the floor!
Right Hand: The pain is excruciating
Brain: Calculating if burn pain > or < impact pain of hitting floor....thinking...thinking...
Brain: Inner Ear, have we stopped moving yet?
Inner Ear: Yes, we're stable now
Nose: What is that terrible burning smell?
Brain: Right Hand, release NOW. Legs, stand by to take on load
Nose: Ooof. That's bad
Right Hand: Tell Lefty I love him and to come visit me in the burn unit
Eye: OMG, Right Hand, that's messed up! Look at the smoke coming off the soldering iron
Nose: P.U.
Inner Ear: Brain! We're falling! Do something!
Brain: Right hand, reach out and grab the vise handle to stop our fall!
Eye: No visual yet Brain
Brain: Right hand, it's there, so just grab
Right Hand: Okay, grabbing...and making contact now...OMG this thing is burning HOT! Must release NOW!
Inner Ear: NO! We'll fall down on the floor!
Right Hand: The pain is excruciating
Brain: Calculating if burn pain > or < impact pain of hitting floor....thinking...thinking...
Brain: Inner Ear, have we stopped moving yet?
Inner Ear: Yes, we're stable now
Nose: What is that terrible burning smell?
Brain: Right Hand, release NOW. Legs, stand by to take on load
Nose: Ooof. That's bad
Right Hand: Tell Lefty I love him and to come visit me in the burn unit
Eye: OMG, Right Hand, that's messed up! Look at the smoke coming off the soldering iron
Nose: P.U.
#31
exotion
Thanks this little narrative kept me sane at the dol
exotion
I used to work at a car stereo shop. There was a big demo board of systems n the showroom, and the backside was open to the shop. Wires everywhere, and a workbench with a vise, wire tools, and a soldering iron. The owner kept the iron hot and clamped its handle into the vise. (Can you see where this is going?) Anyway, owner was trying to demo a system with a customer, and the system would not turn on, so he runs around to the back side and thinks the wires have come loose. The system he's trying to demo is at the top level, out of reach due to the workbench, so the owner starts to climb up the bench to get to the wires, and lifts himself upward but does not have enough forward motion to grab the top of the display, and he's falling backwards now and his hand reaches out to grab what he thought was the vise handle.
Inner Ear: Brain! We're falling! Do something!
Brain: Right hand, reach out and grab the vise handle to stop our fall!
Eye: No visual yet Brain
Brain: Right hand, it's there, so just grab
Right Hand: Okay, grabbing...and making contact now...OMG this thing is burning HOT! Must release NOW!
Inner Ear: NO! We'll fall down on the floor!
Right Hand: The pain is excruciating
Brain: Calculating if burn pain > or < impact pain of hitting floor....thinking...thinking...
Brain: Inner Ear, have we stopped moving yet?
Inner Ear: Yes, we're stable now
Nose: What is that terrible burning smell?
Brain: Right Hand, release NOW. Legs, stand by to take on load
Nose: Ooof. That's bad
Right Hand: Tell Lefty I love him and to come visit me in the burn unit
Eye: OMG, Right Hand, that's messed up! Look at the smoke coming off the soldering iron
Nose: P.U.
Thanks this little narrative kept me sane at the dol
#32
ILENGINE
ILENGINE
Reminds me a few years ago, had been working in the shop on a mower, and then came in for lunch, and was having hamburgers and fries. You know how the ketchup tends to drip off of the sandwich, or off the fries, and your instinct is to just take your finger and wipe it off your shirt, and put it in your mouth. Well in my case it wasn't ketchup, it was grease. tongue went numb for about 15 minutes.
#33
exotion
Bleck
exotion
Reminds me a few years ago, had been working in the shop on a mower, and then came in for lunch, and was having hamburgers and fries. You know how the ketchup tends to drip off of the sandwich, or off the fries, and your instinct is to just take your finger and wipe it off your shirt, and put it in your mouth. Well in my case it wasn't ketchup, it was grease. tongue went numb for about 15 minutes.
Bleck
#34
Bison
How about all the millions of gallons of man made pesticides fungicides and herbicides that get sprayed around the world on yer food and the soaps and other man made chemicals that get used daily by industry and city people that ends up in your food ,on the ground in sewers and in surface water.??,..all stuff that is alien to Nature.
Nah,,...that's OK
Bison
That oil came from the ground to start with,.it's natural and really doesn't do much harm if it is spilled ,...it just looks ugly.Illegal Oil Dumping
Illegal oil dumping poses numerous known hazards to both humans and wildlife. Depending on the location and extent of the dumping, contamination in the food and water supply in the area can affect wildlife and humans for years to come, especially if done commercially. However, most illegal oil dumping takes the form of individual citizens attempting to remove old automobile oil from their residences without taking it to the proper dump sites. Oil dumping, when done by individuals or businesses, is not only environmentally unsafe, but also, illegal as well.
Laws on Oil Dumping
Environmental protection laws and other oil dumping court decisions have noted that illegal dumping of oil, whether by individuals or business is a criminal offense. Depending on the severity and scope of the environment protection law violations, as well as the overall amount of damages incurred from the illegal dumping, prosecutors can charge individuals with fines, community service hours, and in some cases, criminal counts resulting in jail or prison sentences. Additionally, fines related to illegal oil dumping will not only include the cost of cleanup, but also, the cost of damages incurred to other businesses, municipalities, and individuals, as well as the very real possibility of punitive damages being assessed as well.
How about all the millions of gallons of man made pesticides fungicides and herbicides that get sprayed around the world on yer food and the soaps and other man made chemicals that get used daily by industry and city people that ends up in your food ,on the ground in sewers and in surface water.??,..all stuff that is alien to Nature.
Nah,,...that's OK
#35
B
bertsmobile1
Yep believe it or not there are specialist bacteria that break down oil into carbon dioxide & nitrogen.
It has a bit of trouble with all the other crud we put in oil but basically nature can deal with small volumes quite well.
Basically you put spent mushroom compost & horse droppings on it and give it plenty of water.
Fungi will soon spring up which are edible and when they are finished earthworms will start their bit.
However this does not look "sexy" on the 7pm news so we spray it with lots of chemicals, scalp the soil, burn it at very high temperatures and carry on like a headless chook when all it needs is the right enviroment and a little ( lot really ) of time.
B
bertsmobile1
That oil came from the ground to start with,.it's natural and really doesn't do much harm if it is spilled ,...it just looks ugly.
How about all the millions of gallons of man made pesticides fungicides and herbicides that get sprayed around the world on yer food and the soaps and other man made chemicals that get used daily by industry and city people that ends up in your food ,on the ground in sewers and in surface water.??,..all stuff that is alien to Nature.
Nah,,...that's OK
Yep believe it or not there are specialist bacteria that break down oil into carbon dioxide & nitrogen.
It has a bit of trouble with all the other crud we put in oil but basically nature can deal with small volumes quite well.
Basically you put spent mushroom compost & horse droppings on it and give it plenty of water.
Fungi will soon spring up which are edible and when they are finished earthworms will start their bit.
However this does not look "sexy" on the 7pm news so we spray it with lots of chemicals, scalp the soil, burn it at very high temperatures and carry on like a headless chook when all it needs is the right enviroment and a little ( lot really ) of time.
#36
grumpygrizzly
grumpygrizzly
Ya know, it's kinda strange that we have these big oil companies out there with their big derricks pumping oil out of the ground 24/7 and then they have to convert those old dinosaur remains into a fuel we can run our motors with..
Wonder what it would take if you could just save all the oil you dump out of your engines (cars, trucks, lawnmowers) into a 55gal drum, and then convert that to gas for your equipment and vehicles??
Maybe that's one of those questions you're not supposed to ask..
Wonder what it would take if you could just save all the oil you dump out of your engines (cars, trucks, lawnmowers) into a 55gal drum, and then convert that to gas for your equipment and vehicles??
Maybe that's one of those questions you're not supposed to ask..
#37
B
bertsmobile1
B
bertsmobile1
Too expensive to do
You can burn it in a heater, plenty of them around ( California excepted )
Mine goes to a collector who strains it & sells it to shipping companies to run the ships on . called Bunker oil , the dirtiest fuel you can use
All those photos of ships with thick heavy black smoke coming out of the funnels are burning Bunker oil which they do once they are in international waters ( no pollution laws )
Some of the foundries I worked in or ran used it in the furnaces with a lot of oxygen to get it to burn clean and a lot of small islands that use diesel generators for all their power use it .
Before mass TV brain washing it used to go to refineries who cleaned it then blended it with fresh oil added a new addative package & sold it for reuse in your car .
However the big oil companies did such a good job on convincing that if you even put a can of it in your boot, your car would vapourise on the spot and all your children would become sterile, your mother in law would come to stay for good and you will become allergic to beer. So no sooner had it became available to Joe public, it got withdrawn.
Some big transport & excavation companies will run re- refined oil to cut costs in engines that use 10 gallons in the sump.
You can burn it in a heater, plenty of them around ( California excepted )
Mine goes to a collector who strains it & sells it to shipping companies to run the ships on . called Bunker oil , the dirtiest fuel you can use
All those photos of ships with thick heavy black smoke coming out of the funnels are burning Bunker oil which they do once they are in international waters ( no pollution laws )
Some of the foundries I worked in or ran used it in the furnaces with a lot of oxygen to get it to burn clean and a lot of small islands that use diesel generators for all their power use it .
Before mass TV brain washing it used to go to refineries who cleaned it then blended it with fresh oil added a new addative package & sold it for reuse in your car .
However the big oil companies did such a good job on convincing that if you even put a can of it in your boot, your car would vapourise on the spot and all your children would become sterile, your mother in law would come to stay for good and you will become allergic to beer. So no sooner had it became available to Joe public, it got withdrawn.
Some big transport & excavation companies will run re- refined oil to cut costs in engines that use 10 gallons in the sump.
#38
Hammermechanicman
Hammermechanicman
Amusing how we like to say crude oil came from dinosaurs. How many millions of dinosaurs piled up in one place at one time would it take to make a multi million barrel deposit of oil? Oh wait! Oil came from the forests of plant matter. May be some dinosaurs in the mix but nearly all crude oil came from plants. I guess when Sinclair oil put a dinosaur on their logo and had a fuel called Dino Supreme it convinced the world oil came from dinosaurs. Just getting into grinch mode for the season.
#39
Scrubcadet10
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Scrubcadet10
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#40
grumpygrizzly
grumpygrizzly
You must have one hell of a wife.. Did you have to put a big screen TV out there and a comfy chair for her to sit in and watch her soaps while you toil away??I like a concrete floor in my shop, it gets cleaned after every job and some time in between a job. One thing I do like is a clean, smooth, hard and dry floor to work on. If I do spill fuel or oil it gets cleaned up right away. As I work all removed hardware go's in a pan or box. After ever days work all the tools get cleaned and put back in there place. This makes it a lot easier keep tract of everything like tools and parts and make for better workmanship.
#41
grumpygrizzly
grumpygrizzly
Well, maybe the crude oil comes from dinosaur poop. They ate whatever they wanted to, then had to poop somewhere, several thousands of years later, you have Sinclair Oil.. The dinosaur on the sign just isn't showing the little poop balls fallin out the rear end.Amusing how we like to say crude oil came from dinosaurs. How many millions of dinosaurs piled up in one place at one time would it take to make a multi million barrel deposit of oil? Oh wait! Oil came from the forests of plant matter. May be some dinosaurs in the mix but nearly all crude oil came from plants. I guess when Sinclair oil put a dinosaur on their logo and had a fuel called Dino Supreme it convinced the world oil came from dinosaurs. Just getting into grinch mode for the season.
#42
PTmowerMech
That's hilarious.
I'm not laughing at you. I'm laughing with you. lol
PTmowerMech
Had a Stihl 048 Chainsaw on my bench I was working on. Had a bad gas leak.
The wife and I had just come back from Costco (The big warehouse stores where you can buy a 40 pack of toilet paper, half a cow, etc.) and we LOVE the hotdog and drink deal for $1.50. I'd finished my hot dog and took my lemonade out and set it on my bench next to where I was working..
I don't use the straws at the Costco stores because the dispenser for the straws puts out unwrapped straws that everyone puts thier hands and fingers on when getting their straws. Germ factory in a straw container. I'm not a germ-a-phobe by any means but, that is nasty.
Anyway, I've got a large syringe with a piece of gas line on the tip for syphoning out gas from tanks. I'd syphon a syringe full out and squirt it in a plastic container.. Syphon, squirt, syphon squirt..
Took a break for a few seconds to get a sip of lemonade..
Let me be the first to tell ya. Lemonade and 2 stroke gas/oil mix..... Yeah, it's not gonna make it.. Apparently I has squirted a bit of the mixed gas into the lemonade cup..
Wow, what a shock..
What "O' Crap" moments have you had in your shop??
That's hilarious.
I'm not laughing at you. I'm laughing with you. lol
#43
redneck mechinics shop mi
redneck mechinics shop mi
i had a massey ferguson ski whiz 500 and took it for a test run and the fan belt was old and snapped wouldent stop would ent turn off etherHad a Stihl 048 Chainsaw on my bench I was working on. Had a bad gas leak.
The wife and I had just come back from Costco (The big warehouse stores where you can buy a 40 pack of toilet paper, half a cow, etc.) and we LOVE the hotdog and drink deal for $1.50. I'd finished my hot dog and took my lemonade out and set it on my bench next to where I was working..
I don't use the straws at the Costco stores because the dispenser for the straws puts out unwrapped straws that everyone puts thier hands and fingers on when getting their straws. Germ factory in a straw container. I'm not a germ-a-phobe by any means but, that is nasty.
Anyway, I've got a large syringe with a piece of gas line on the tip for syphoning out gas from tanks. I'd syphon a syringe full out and squirt it in a plastic container.. Syphon, squirt, syphon squirt..
Took a break for a few seconds to get a sip of lemonade..
Let me be the first to tell ya. Lemonade and 2 stroke gas/oil mix..... Yeah, it's not gonna make it.. Apparently I has squirted a bit of the mixed gas into the lemonade cup..
Wow, what a shock..
What "O' Crap" moments have you had in your shop??