Propane Zero Turn

[Terry CleanFuel]

We run a CNG 3/4 ton Chevy with a plow. When plowing it gets absolutely terrible mileage. The tank only holds equivalent of 15 gal is gas. So refueling is often. One of our facilities has a CNG filling station but it's 15 min away so that's a pain when all our facilities have a fuel island with gas and diesel. We have a very large fleet and were required to have a certain percentage run on alternative fuels.

If your plow runs continuously you may want to look at Liquified Natural Gas or LNG. It vastly improves the range of your vehicle vs CNG.

Blu.

 

[briggs]

Check it out let the propane smoking hippie use his propane vehicles/mowers. Until my old steam powered mowers aren't working for me, then I'm not going to consider switching over. I'm going green already we only use alternative fuel vehicles, it the latest crazy out West it's called diesel, I'm pretty sure you can get it almost anywhere. Here's another great idea E85 do i want to drink it or put it in my car. It's simple moonshine and gasoline mixed, mixed with some hippie scientist and boom it's a great idea. Except now you get 1/2 the fuel milage you did before. One more thing Serve your country go to war for your country it's the "patriotic thing to do"
40 years in propane congrats I'll bet you and Hank Hill from Arlen Texas would have a lot to talk about.

LMFAO this made me spit my coffee out and choke :thumbsup:

 

[briggs]

oh and i don't drink beer gasman i drink coffee don't like Booze not my style i don't do drugs ether ....

 

[BHLC]

I would love to run propane units, and someday I will!

 

[TaskForceLawnCare]

I did serve as did my two sons. The only difference is that they fought against an enemy that is financed with US dollars spent on imported oil. I'm not sure what you mean about the hippie reference and how it applies to propane. I don't understand the ethanol reference either. Ethanol does not do small engines any favors. Propane is ethanol free. You know it's funny. Any gasmen can talk for hours on end (dependent upon how much beer is available) and it never fails. It's conversations like the one we're having is what we talk about. No worries! Like I said, all I can do is present the facts. It's up to the individual to make an informed, intelligent decision.

Thank you for your service and thank you tax payers for buying gasoline, to help a weak enemy fight back. I've fought in 2 wars Operation Iraqi Freedom and again in Operation New Dawn your welcome. I've got a hardcore limp to show for it.

There is help for your drinking problem you might start by contacting your VA. Me personally not a drinker or drug user.

Thanks for letting me know propane is ethanol free. Just in case i wasn't comparing alternative fuels that are grossly over rated.

The intelligent and economic decision is use high efficacy small gas engines and diesel trucks.

 

[Terry CleanFuel]

Thank you for your service and thank you tax payers for buying gasoline, to help a weak enemy fight back. I've fought in 2 wars Operation Iraqi Freedom and again in Operation New Dawn your welcome. I've got a hardcore limp to show for it.

There is help for your drinking problem you might start by contacting your VA. Me personally not a drinker or drug user.

Thanks for letting me know propane is ethanol free. Just in case i wasn't comparing alternative fuels that are grossly over rated.

The intelligent and economic decision is use high efficacy small gas engines and diesel trucks.

Thanks for your service from one vet to another. While Kohler and Kawasaki are making great strides in EFI, gasoline will still continue to be purchased from those who wish us ill will. That's a fact.

If you don't like propane that's fine with me. I stay busy just the same. You make many statements here without reference. Every statement I've made I've backed up with facts. Feel free to use the fuel of your choice no matter what the cost. That's ok!

Shoot, there are those who swear by tin-foil beanies.

 

[Terry CleanFuel]

Just in case i wasn't comparing alternative fuels that are grossly over rated.

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And your reference to this would be...????????????????????????????

Seriously. I'd like to read about this reference. I'll wait...

 

[TaskForceLawnCare]

And your reference to this would be...???????????????????????????? Seriously. I'd like to read about this reference. I'll wait...

No problem on average consumers using E85 get 26.5% worst mpg then when using gasoline. The second order effect is it cost them on average 22.9 cents per mile with E85 versus 18.7 cents per mile with gasoline.

By relating the observed fuel economy to CO2 emission figures found in the EPA's Green Vehicle Guide it is determined that a 500 mile gasoline round trip produced 706.5 pounds of carbon dioxide. On E85, the CO2 emissions come to 703.1 pounds. The difference comes out in E85's favor, but only by a scant 0.5 percent. Call it a tie. This is certainly not the reduction in greenhouse gas emissions we had been led to expect.

Recent concerns have surfaced about the efficiency of ethanol production. Some critics have actually said that it is a "negative energy source," meaning that more energy is required to produce ethanol than it delivers as a fuel. Further doubts have surfaced about the true environmental benefits of ethanol and E85. And some critics have said that as farmers switch from growing corn for food production to growing it for ethanol, it could produce food shortages. Higher corn prices have already been reported.

As for propane now. The cost for the head damage caused by a dry gas stripping the lubrication off the intake valves and cylinder walls (the valve problem is eliminated with the injector system but the cylinder issue remains), as well as the need to have the propane system cleaned and recalibrated every 3 months or so for optimal performance (roughly $45 plus a new vaporizer diaphragm every 9-12 months.)

There is more to propane then just cost. There is a minimum of 20% performance degradation because of the thermal potential differentiation.

All those variables need to be included

The cost benefit does not outweign the cost "savings" and hassle factor because, at the end of the day, there are none.

 

[Carscw]

We need a like button.

 

[briggs]

No problem on average consumers using E85 get 26.5% worst mpg then when using gasoline. The second order effect is it cost them on average 22.9 cents per mile with E85 versus 18.7 cents per mile with gasoline.

By relating the observed fuel economy to CO2 emission figures found in the EPA's Green Vehicle Guide it is determined that a 500 mile gasoline round trip produced 706.5 pounds of carbon dioxide. On E85, the CO2 emissions come to 703.1 pounds. The difference comes out in E85's favor, but only by a scant 0.5 percent. Call it a tie. This is certainly not the reduction in greenhouse gas emissions we had been led to expect.

Recent concerns have surfaced about the efficiency of ethanol production. Some critics have actually said that it is a "negative energy source," meaning that more energy is required to produce ethanol than it delivers as a fuel. Further doubts have surfaced about the true environmental benefits of ethanol and E85. And some critics have said that as farmers switch from growing corn for food production to growing it for ethanol, it could produce food shortages. Higher corn prices have already been reported.

As for propane now. The cost for the head damage caused by a dry gas stripping the lubrication off the intake valves and cylinder walls (the valve problem is eliminated with the injector system but the cylinder issue remains), as well as the need to have the propane system cleaned and recalibrated every 3 months or so for optimal performance (roughly $45 plus a new vaporizer diaphragm every 9-12 months.)

There is more to propane then just cost. There is a minimum of 20% performance degradation because of the thermal potential differentiation.

All those variables need to be included

The cost benefit does not outweign the cost "savings" and hassle factor because, at the end of the day, there are none.

Basically that's what i said in some of my posts but i didn't put down put down percentages ....I went threw this in in 80s and 90s when they propane in cop cars/taxis /service vans and trucks they got rid of it for some reason and i was told it was because it cost to much to maintain and use in a big fleet plus it was a pain to get not allot of people sold it ...Great post didn't think i was nuts :thumbsup: