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See ole Phil made the news one more time. Amazing that the people who disagree with something don't have the right to speak about it any more while those who do have the rights to do as they please. Looks like we no longer have any freedom of speech among many other things.

I 2nd that Mr. Phil is entitled to his belief just like everyone else, and shouldnt be censored because of it. A&E should be ashamed of how they have handled this by turning their back on him. I have my right to my beliefs just like each, and every person in this country. If the persons he upset have the right to believe their way, and live their lives the way they do but he does not that is a load of crap. I dont judge its not my place to but they should respect his rights as well, and besides they ask him.. if they didnt want to know they shouldnt ask.

I don't think 'Hate beliefs' qualify as a 'protected freedom of speech' issue...
Although he 'tried' to qualify it with: "He Never Saw"...
Anyone that has been through Louisiana Before the 60's Knows you didn't have to look very close to find massive discrimination... NOT just in Louisiana but Most if not all states. "Civil Rights" is more than an empty proclamation... It Should be available for all regardless of what others may "believe". And it should No be acceptable to imply that any particular wrong doing didn't exist prior to a national movement to correct it, That would be just too Misleading.
So when he "says he never saw blacks mistreated before civil rights in Louisiana". I have to think he is being a little less than totally honest. I'm in Kansas, and looking back at the 50's I know there was discrimination here, even with a very small black population.
It Should never be acceptable to allow someone to believe another part of the society has to have limited Civil Rights.

Having said that, I also Know that there are & always will be some that abuse anything... When there is an abuse, everyone should be willing to see it get pointed out, or have the courage to point it out themselves... :smile:KennyV

I'm just knd of entertained that people seem shocked that a guy in the deep south would be against homosexuality! Shock!

It's a storm in a teacup that's going Paula Dean...blown all out of proportion.

I had to google his name to find out who he was and what it's all about. Still not sure. It looks like he made some comments about his religious beliefs outside his show? I don't have a problem with that but I'm not religious and have no interest in the sex lives of others. I agree he has a right to his views but I'd bet he isn't an authority on scripture and I'm not sure why he felt the need to speak up about who inherits the kingdom of god and who goes to hell since it won't be him deciding that... if it's true.
I guess the bottom line to me is that A&E is a business and has a right to hire and fire who they will.
As far as the remarks on blacks before civil rights being happy... come on. Anyone who believes blacks were happy and content with less than full and equal rights and with discrimination and oppression would have to be out of touch with reality. My parents told me stories about growing up in Texas in the early to mid 20th century. If you were black back then I'd guess you were very careful dealing with whites or you ended up as strange fruit hanging from the trees as the old song goes.
And that's about as close to a religious or political discussion as I want to get

KennyV said:

I don't think 'Hate beliefs' qualify as a 'protected freedom of speech' issue...
Although he 'tried' to qualify it with: "He Never Saw"...
Anyone that has been through Louisiana Before the 60's Knows you didn't have to look very close to find massive discrimination... NOT just in Louisiana but Most if not all states. "Civil Rights" is more than an empty proclamation... It Should be available for all regardless of what others may "believe". And it should No be acceptable to imply that any particular wrong doing didn't exist prior to a national movement to correct it, That would be just too Misleading.
So when he "says he never saw blacks mistreated before civil rights in Louisiana". I have to think he is being a little less than totally honest. I'm in Kansas, and looking back at the 50's I know there was discrimination here, even with a very small black population.
It Should never be acceptable to allow someone to believe another part of the society has to have limited Civil Rights.

Having said that, I also Know that there are & always will be some that abuse anything... When there is an abuse, everyone should be willing to see it get pointed out, or have the courage to point it out themselves... :smile:KennyV

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He was talking about working in the cotton fields and the fact that he worked in the fields alongside the black field workers. In other words he was in the same situation they were. Nothing racist said. He was in the same position.

KennyV said:

I don't think 'Hate beliefs' qualify as a 'protected freedom of speech' issue...
Although he 'tried' to qualify it with: "He Never Saw"...
Anyone that has been through Louisiana Before the 60's Knows you didn't have to look very close to find massive discrimination... NOT just in Louisiana but Most if not all states. "Civil Rights" is more than an empty proclamation... It Should be available for all regardless of what others may "believe". And it should No be acceptable to imply that any particular wrong doing didn't exist prior to a national movement to correct it, That would be just too Misleading.
So when he "says he never saw blacks mistreated before civil rights in Louisiana". I have to think he is being a little less than totally honest. I'm in Kansas, and looking back at the 50's I know there was discrimination here, even with a very small black population.
It Should never be acceptable to allow someone to believe another part of the society has to have limited Civil Rights.

Having said that, I also Know that there are & always will be some that abuse anything... When there is an abuse, everyone should be willing to see it get pointed out, or have the courage to point it out themselves... :smile:KennyV

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It is amazing what people can come up with that is considered to be "hate" speech. If that is true then most of what the man said that set he firestorm off was quoted from the Bible almost word for word concerning the homosexuals and others.

Tat is what the First Amendment really says if Freedom of Speech.

If they did not want to know what he thought then they should not have asked him. If the show ends or goes on I don't care. I watched it twice just to make sure I did not like it.


Hr should have been smart enough not to quote a book that was wrote in a way that you can use the words to mean anything you want it to mean.

The anti gay say the bible says no homosexual acts or thoughts.
The gays say there is homosexual acts in the bible.

The bible is wrote in a way that you can interpret it many ways to fit your needs.

Take ten men and sit them at a table and all ten will say one scripture says ten different things.

Before any of you jump me. Yes I am having trouble with religion right now I am Italian and grew up a catholic and married a southern baptist. Same bible but different interpretation of it.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

They say no religion or politics on this forum but I didn't start this. As I see it we are getting a little bit of both here. I have never watched his show and never will. The only reason is I don't watch TV anymore. I really don't see where he said anything wrong or right but just a bunch words that mean nothing. I am not religious and to me the bible is just a non-fiction book like any non-fiction book. You just read it for you own enjoyment.

Personally I think Mr Robertson had every right to say what he said. :thumbsup: Carscw has it right, If they did not want to know what he thought then they should not have asked him. With the backlash that is taking place with people and there petitions, with Governors, Congressmen and Senators now weighing in saying A&E is wrong I think before it's over A&E is going to be on the hurting end of this deal.

Submitted by swalker on December 19, 2013 - 7:13pm

We want to thank all of you for your prayers and support. The family has spent much time in prayer since learning of A&E's decision. We want you to know that first and foremost we are a family rooted in our faith in God and our belief that the Bible is His word. While some of Phil痴 unfiltered comments to the reporter were coarse, his beliefs are grounded in the teachings of the Bible. Phil is a Godly man who follows what the Bible says are the greatest commandments: 鏑ove the Lord your God with all your heart and 鏑ove your neighbor as yourself. Phil would never incite or encourage hate.We are disappointed that Phil has been placed on hiatus for expressing his faith, which is his constitutionally protected right.We have had a successful working relationship with A&E but, as a family, we cannot imagine the show going forward without our patriarch at the helm. We are in discussions with A&E to see what that means for the future of Duck Dynasty. Again, thank you for your continued support of our family.

This issue gives Duck Dynasty more publicity than they had before, as if they needed it. Now everyone knows them. Maybe it was meant to be. Takes peoples minds off a lot more important issues such as the economy and the direction of the USA. I see Duck Dynasty merchandise in every convenience store, Walmart, grocery store and even at Cracker Barrel that I ate at the other day. The money from that family is benefitting many people and causes. The only people it hurts are the fans of the show, as their merchandising and the network may see a spike with all the publicity and all the people who believe in free speech and hate political correctness. That being said when people are in the limelight they have to be careful what they say as they can be found to represent A&E etc. as such and it reflects on them also to be politically correct if you know what I mean. As far as Phil, I doubt he gives a damn. I have relatives, long beards and all, in the deep south a lot like him and I know their sentiment. Phil is old, set in his ways, financially set for the rest of his life and probably don't care what you and me think. They can take it or leave it as they have already had a great run. :2cents:

Ric said:

Submitted by swalker on December 19, 2013 - 7:13pm

We want to thank all of you for your prayers and support. The family has spent much time in prayer since learning of A&E's decision. We want you to know that first and foremost we are a family rooted in our faith in God and our belief that the Bible is His word. While some of Phil痴 unfiltered comments to the reporter were coarse, his beliefs are grounded in the teachings of the Bible. Phil is a Godly man who follows what the Bible says are the greatest commandments: 鏑ove the Lord your God with all your heart and 鏑ove your neighbor as yourself. Phil would never incite or encourage hate.We are disappointed that Phil has been placed on hiatus for expressing his faith, which is his constitutionally protected right.We have had a successful working relationship with A&E but, as a family, we cannot imagine the show going forward without our patriarch at the helm. We are in discussions with A&E to see what that means for the future of Duck Dynasty. Again, thank you for your continued support of our family.

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I think everyone has gotten a little to caught up in this, and as you mentioned they forgot about Mr. Phils rights to his faith, beliefs. I support him 100%, I hope this is cleared up, and put behind us all. Merry Christmas to everyone.:smile:

A little bit about Phil in his youth via ESPN:


ESPN: With his full gray beard, bandana, camouflage clothes and dark glasses, Phil Robertson looks like a rocker from ZZ Top gone rogue.

Yet Robertson, who first found wealth as the inventor of the Duck Commander duck calls and then fame as the patriarch of a clan of Louisiana duck hunters on A&E's Duck Dynasty reality series, is no backwoods bumpkin. He's a multi-millionaire with a master's degree in education. He's also perhaps the best athlete ever to come out of the little town of Vivian, La.

In the 1960s, Robertson, now 66, was the starting quarterback at Louisiana Tech for two seasons ahead of Terry Bradshaw. His teammates and a coach recall him as a talented, outdoors-obsessed character who walked away from his final year of eligibility to spend more time hunting and fishing, but had the talent to play in the NFL.

So you mean to tell me this guy invented the duck calling tool that helped Charlie Conway round up the Ducks in Mighty Ducks D2?

What if he decided to go to the NFL? The duck commander may have never been made and BOOM Conway cannot round up the Ducks from Guy playing tonsil hockey with Conny to Adam Banks practicing in a collared shirt (cake eater move).

Also he passed up the NFL because it got in the way of Duck hunting season. Can't knock a guy for staying loyal to what he loves.

Let me see if I have this right It痴 okay that anyone can make outrageous claims about obvious racial injustice, and no one will call attention to such a claim
Someone is also allowed to compare other痴 lives to Terrorists and other Obvious Hate provoking statements. then they can 祖laim it is okay because they feel this way based of their religion. Their position is somehow protected 喪eligious conviction, but their purpose and intent is to spread hate and deprive others of their rights
We have been fighting wars because of the SAME type of religious 礎eliefs by Other fanatical followers of their book. They also justify everything they do because of their religion, Of course they are wrong because their belief is somehow not as valid as our belief.
So They are actually Terrorists & we get to compare our fellow citizens to those Terrorists if we feel we are Not following our particular book. But it is fine to take no personal responsibility for spreading your particular Hate, after all you think our book says it is okay to spread that hate. And while you are advocating the removal of others civil liberties & rights, you feel its fine because you are only exercising Your free speech rights.
There is Not a nickels worth of difference between taiban spreading hate and christian spreading hate They Both will claim their book directs their position and anything they do will be appreciated by their god.
So you can continue to pat the haters on the back, after all you feel it is fine to spread this type of hate, and it is the season for such hate. Myself I am done with this thread, I will unsubscribe to it and leave you here to justify hating your fellow American citizens.
Happy Holidays to most...:smile:KennyV

I don't agree with anything he said but yeah he has a right to think it and say it. I question his judgment in stating those views publicly though. Doesn't seem like a very wise thing to do unless you're looking for controversy. A&E also has a right to fire him if that is indeed what they did. Martin Bashir got canned for something he said and I don't see many people complaining about that. Neither had their freedom of speech impinged. I think we all have to accept that what we say sometimes has bad consequences and own it.

And then as some people have suggested the whole thing may be a stunt to increase ratings on the show.
Religious folks have a right to practice and live by their religious beliefs. They don't have a right to expect the rest of us to live by their beliefs. I have a hard time picturing Jesus Christ sitting in a blind with a 12 gauge
KennyV.. try not to take things so seriously.

KennyV said:

KennyV

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Let me see if I have this right

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Nope....you got it wrong.
You might want to actually read the article, as there was not much hate if any in those comments.
The guy is obviously no genius and I don't agree with him necessarily. Just because he's rich and famous doesn't mean his opinion on social issues is worth the breath it rode in on, furthermore he deserves whatever he gets. It is what it is.......
It's business you see, and whether or not that article was a smart business move is yet to be seen. I don't know the terms of his contract but it seems to me that A&E needs Phil more than Phil needs A&E. What Phil has can be sold, resold and marketed very easily.
I suspect that there will be no apology and somehow or another we will see Phil again soon. But, either way, it don't much matter to me.

To say the guy is obviously no genius may or may not be the correct statement, Phil Robertson is no backwoods bumpkin. He's a multi-millionaire with a master's degree in education. He is in that top 1or 2% class of people who supposedly make this country work or run or who have all the money. The thing is you will see Phil Robertson on this seasons Duck Dynasty because 9 of the 10 shows are already taped and are done so I don't expect this thing with A&E to be settled anytime soon. If I were Phil Robertson and had the money he has those shows would never air and A&E would pay big time.

jekjr said:

See ole Phil made the news one more time. Amazing that the people who disagree with something don't have the right to speak about it any more while those who do have the rights to do as they please. Looks like we no longer have any freedom of speech among many other things.

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The messed up part of all this is, a "reality show" star is punished for speaking his mind, on his own time.

Let this be a lesson to all of us, of how fake all of the "reality shows" are.

What I have a hard time with is that groups like GLAAD want to say that Phil Robertson speaks hate and intolerance. When in fact they are intolerant. If you don't agree with what they say is right then you are a bigget and a hater. It's groups like these that are making this country weak. The whole country has to work around the gays and any other diverse group who gets their feelings hurt so easy. It makes me sick that the true minority in this country has no say anymore because these other groups like GLAAD and the NAACP have been crying for so long that they have become a majority, yet still act as if it's the 1950's.

Ric said:

To say the guy is obviously no genius

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The real genius is their publicity manager, remember Chick-Fil-A.

Crawdad said:

Let this be a lesson to all of us, of how fake all of the "reality shows" are.

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It amazes me that most people believe anything they see on television. Wake up people as it is controlled.

Ric said:

To say the guy is obviously no genius may or may not be the correct statement, Phil Robertson is no backwoods bumpkin. He's a multi-millionaire with a master's degree in education. He is in that top 1or 2% class of people who supposedly make this country work or run or who have all the money. The thing is you will see Phil Robertson on this seasons Duck Dynasty because 9 of the 10 shows are already taped and are done so I don't expect this thing with A&E to be settled anytime soon. If I were Phil Robertson and had the money he has those shows would never air and A&E would pay big time.

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Yep.:thumbsup:

phil robertson spoke the truth straight from the bible.....on the blacks situation he was actually there ,dirt poor, working side by side with them so i would say he is qualified to state what he saw......i bet none of these news people that are reporting negatively on that statement ever had to spend a single long hot day in a field either hoeing or chopping cotton

edd said:

phil robertson spoke the truth straight from the bible.....on the blacks situation he was actually there ,dirt poor, working side by side with them so i would say he is qualified to state what he saw......i bet none of these news people that are reporting negatively on that statement ever had to spend a single long hot day in a field either hoeing or chopping cotton

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The problem with the News and the reporting is they never state the facts correctly it's always what they want to make up.

edd said:

phil robertson spoke the truth straight from the bible.....on the blacks situation he was actually there ,dirt poor, working side by side with them so i would say he is qualified to state what he saw......i bet none of these news people that are reporting negatively on that statement ever had to spend a single long hot day in a field either hoeing or chopping cotton

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Sorta like the time a friend and I were assaulted by a Samoan (those guys are huge) and some hawaii'ans. WE ended up getting charged with incitement to riot, because "that would never happen in Pearl City."

Predjudice only happens in certain neighborhoods, you know.

Crawdad said:

Sorta like the time a friend and I were assaulted by a Samoan (those guys are huge) and some hawaii'ans. WE ended up getting charged with incitement to riot, because "that would never happen in Pearl City."

Predjudice only happens in certain neighborhoods, you know.

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Sound like a good story going here. I would like to hear more about the Samoans and hawaii'ans in Pearl City. Just what were you rioting about? And what is this prejudice in certain neighborhoods all about.

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Sound like a good story going here. I would like to hear more about the Samoans and hawaii'ans in Pearl City. Just what were you rioting about? And what is this prejudice in certain neighborhoods all about.

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Sounds like a Hawaiian Luau gone bad!!!!!!!!

Seems like people waste to much time and energy being hateful and angry ....

exotion said:

Seems like people waste to much time and energy being hateful and angry ....

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Well them Samoans are kinda mean.........

Fish said:

Sounds like a Hawaiian Luau gone bad!!!!!!!!

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Looking out the window at all the snow I sure would like to be at one of them Hawaiian Luaus right now.

Fish said:

Well them Samoans are kinda mean.........

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Well then don't piss them off lol... I know quite a few big f'ers but they are just big teddy bears

just found this on facebook. Phil Robertson to Return to Duck Dynasty | American Overlook

metz12 said:

just found this on facebook. Phil Robertson to Return to Duck Dynasty | American Overlook

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It痴 unclear what the liberals will do in the face of this, but I知 sure we値l have to listen to the media complain about A&E痴 decision.

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Liberals didn't fire Robertson... A&E did. A&E is owned by two large corporations. Some people may think large corporations are people but if they are they sure as hell ain't liberals
Robertson cooked his own goose by voluntarily giving his views on controversial subjects... to a reporter. His freedom of speech is still protected... at least he was still talking last I heard. It's like I said... he is free to speak his mind. That's a right. But when you speak out like that you also have keep in mind that freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences of what you say. It's a lot like the Dixie Chicks thing a few years back. I don't recall all these people defending their freedom of speech.

jessie jackson is now demanding a meeting with A & E.....wants glaad and naacp present.........phil should just invite all of these people to louisiana for a duck hunt.....a duck summit.......i think all these people have pushed against the wrong group this time

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jessie jackson is now demanding a meeting with A & E.....wants glaad and naacp present.........phil should just invite all of these people to louisiana for a duck hunt.....a duck summit.......i think all these people have pushed against the wrong group this time

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Yes and some yahoo from Robertson's church is suing A&E, President Obama, & "others" because they robbed him off his right to hate homosexuals. This whole thing is getting past the point of being ridiculous. I used to respect Jesse Jackson. Can't really say that anymore.
Phil has a right to say what he thinks and view the world from his own perspective.
Some people got crossways over what Robertson said. A&E "fired" him. I don't know why they took that action because the people who were offended probably don't watch the show or anything else on A&E. Now you have all these other people piling on. My conservative friends claim his freedom of speech has been taken away. It hasn't. My liberal friends pretty much say ho hum must be a slow news week. What it boils down to is... this is between Phil Robertson and A&E. I don't care much about either one. I live in Texas. It's an employment at will state. Your boss can fire you or you can quit. Unless there is a contract breach that's pretty much the end of story.
I'm beginning to lean more towards the view of a previous poster about this being a publicity stunt.

Mike88se said:

A quote from that page:
Liberals didn't fire Robertson... A&E did. A&E is owned by two large corporations. Some people may think large corporations are people but if they are they sure as hell ain't liberals
Robertson cooked his own goose by voluntarily giving his views on controversial subjects... to a reporter. His freedom of speech is still protected... at least he was still talking last I heard. It's like I said... he is free to speak his mind. That's a right. But when you speak out like that you also have keep in mind that freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences of what you say. It's a lot like the Dixie Chicks thing a few years back. I don't recall all these people defending their freedom of speech.

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If the reporter, or the public didnt want to know then they shouldnt ask. I agree it has got way out of hand, and just needs to be forgot. He has enough money I dont think them letting him go is going to cost him any sleep. But the question is did they fire him, or is he coming back they have alot of people putting info out there that dont know what they are talking about. I for one will tell you I dont know squat about what really happened, and I dont care. As mentioned its between Phil, and A&E.

Well, that's the thing. Nobody asked. I read the article. You can too: Duck Dynasty's Phil Robertson Gives Drew Magary a Tour
I have no real issue with anything he said. I think I prefer vagina to anus myself but what other people prefer is not any of my business. I don't think it's Phil's business either. Sometimes its best to just keep your opinion to yourself.
And that thing about black folk being happy with Jim Crow laws. Nobody in that situation is gonna be happy. That's just foolishness.

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If the reporter, or the public didnt want to know then they shouldnt ask. I agree it has got way out of hand, and just needs to be forgot. He has enough money I dont think them letting him go is going to cost him any sleep. But the question is did they fire him, or is he coming back they have alot of people putting info out there that dont know what they are talking about. I for one will tell you I dont know squat about what really happened, and I dont care. As mentioned its between Phil, and A&E.

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i have never had any respect for jessie jackson......he gets away with stirring the pot of racial discord and makes a living from extorting companies that dont line up with him in hiring and promotion practices among other things......contrary to phil robertson i doubt he has ever done an honest days work in his life

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Well, that's the thing. Nobody asked. I read the article. You can too: Duck Dynasty's Phil Robertson Gives Drew Magary a Tour
I have no real issue with anything he said. I think I prefer vagina to anus myself but what other people prefer is not any of my business. I don't think it's Phil's business either. Sometimes its best to just keep your opinion to yourself.
And that thing about black folk being happy with Jim Crow laws. Nobody in that situation is gonna be happy. That's just foolishness.

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Yes sir I agree about the opinion thing. I hear he has been re-instated to the show, and I for one am glad it might just finally be over. My policy on the issue is each to his, or her own, and its none of my business what their preference is.