I'm shopping for a ZTR 60" --- Here's what I'm finding, your thoughts please

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Good point... however that particular mower is probably $10k new being the 72" deck. An extra $1500 buys me a new 60" with warranty... just wondering if that price was worth considering (or adding to the list to consider) based off the NEW pricing of the unit. If I end up considering it, I'll definitely do like you suggest and ask those questions to the dealer.

tso,
One thing I really disliked about the Grasshoppers(I did look at them when I was shopping) was that it is VERY difficult to get any pricing on them except at a dealer(their website doesn't give eny MSRP prices). I do not see a 225 series anymore on the Grasshopper website, just a 220, 223 & 227. The 227 must be the current replacement for the 225(it's the only one in the 200 Series that comes in a 72") and it shows a 27 hp, 2-cylinder, Kohler Command PRO engine. How did you determine that a new one like the 2003 model costs $10K(if the dealer told me that, I'd have to find a second opinion)??
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A 72" ZTR is a whole lot of mower(like I mentioned before, a smaller deck ZTR out-mows a much larger lawn tractor). My father-in-law spent $11k on a Kubota diesel and he mows 4-5 acres. When I mentioned that to dealers when I was shopping they said he 'overspent" and would have done fine on that much area with a 54"-60" in about the same amount of time. Like I said earlier I am GLAD I didn't get anything bigger than a 52" for my 1.5 acres and I too really "overspent" and would have been fine with a 48" for that much yard. Maybe other users will chime in to confirm/or deny my recommendation. With your 2-3 acres weekly and occaisionally an additional 3 acres a 60" would most likely be plenty for that.
 

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That was the dealer who said it was around $10k new... The new 226 60" he quoted me was roughly $7k, so maybe he was a bit high on his estimate, but I'd still guess it would be $8500+ new NOW judging on what I'm seeing from other brands (with the jump from 60" to 72").

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Spoke with 2 other dealers (Big Dog and BadBoy) that are also around 25+ miles away, here's what they quoted me:

BigDog R-Series 60". KawFR691, ZT-3100, $6225
BigDog R-Diablo series 60". KawFX730, ZT-3400, $7845 (with the "Flex-Forks" added in the cost)... He said the BigDog's were Red Hustlers with 1-year behind models

BadBoy CZT Elite 60", KawFS726, ZT-3400, $7662.

So, only the BigDog R-Series with a smaller engine than the others I'm shopping, was competitive in price to the rest of the list.
 

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And...

The Gravely is the Pro-Turn 160 60" with KawFX730v, ZT-3400, suspension seat, $6800

That's from the same dealer (my tractor dealer) that sells the Bobcat. Said they sell about equal numbers of both mowers. Says the Gravely seat is a bit better than the Bobcat. Said manufacturer support is excellent on both. Said they couldn't steer me to either one for any pros/cons and it would come down to personal feel once I sit on them.

I figure that's how it's gonna be for all these damm mowers!
 

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And...

The Gravely is the Pro-Turn 160 60" with KawFX730v, ZT-3400, suspension seat, $6800

That's from the same dealer (my tractor dealer) that sells the Bobcat. Said they sell about equal numbers of both mowers. Says the Gravely seat is a bit better than the Bobcat. Said manufacturer support is excellent on both. Said they couldn't steer me to either one for any pros/cons and it would come down to personal feel once I sit on them.

I figure that's how it's gonna be for all these damm mowers!

tso,
I know everybody wants you to get what they have.....but that sounds like a VERY good deal on that Gravely XDZ 160(same as my 52" with a bigger Kawasaki engine). Also "CC displacement" is more important than "HP". All I can say is pay very close attention to the Kawasaki "series"(the FR691 on Big Dog..."FR"= Residential engine and FX730 on Gravely..."FX"= Commercial engine). The full suspension seat is really a nice ride and you need to closely and compare deck thickness, reinforced edge and reinforced spindle mounts, 3-year warrany on spindles, 3-year Residential/2-Year Commercial Warranty, Lifetime deck Warranty on the Gravely to the others you are looking at. Also closely compare the commercial chain-hung and easy deck leveling on the Gravely, then look at the others. You really MUST compare "the build" and "the components" and "the Warranty" before pulling the trigger on a purchase of several thousand dollars. That's why I ended up in my Gravely!!!
 

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I figure that's how it's gonna be for all these damm mowers!

Welcome to the reality of ZTR shopping!
 

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Welcome to the reality of ZTR shopping!

Old Goat,
Yah, user tso is going through what we did and with as many good ZTR's that are out there it's no easy decision. Like that BigDog R-Diablo series he mentioned....basically a Hustler Fastrak Super Duty(which I made an offer on myself), but it's hard to get away from spending $7K on something that's "Commercial Quality" no matter which brand it is. You figured out that getting a "heavy duty" high-end residential Big Dog with some commercial features was going to meet your needs and save you some money. But tso will have to be careful because that Bad Boy CZT is priced like a Commercial, but has the "FS" series Kawasaki(Heavy Duty, but not Commercial). He'll have to go up to the Bad Boy Outlaw to get full Commercial features but he'll have to spend a few more(but not much more) than the CZT.
 

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Yeah, right now I'm most likely ruling out the BigDog and BadBoy mowers. Like you mentioned, less durable engines or much higher cost.

The BobCat is looking great at $6299 with the Kaw FX.

The Hustler FasTrak Super Duty looks good at $6479 but I'm disappointed that it runs the ZT-3100 Trans when the others have the ZT-3400. It might not make a difference for my use, but over the years it might... Especially considering I'm hoping to keep this mower until I run it into the ground.

The Gravely looks good at $6800.

But the Dixie Chopper looks REALLY good at $5599, even though its last years model with a Briggs 30 horse. I haven't known anyone to complain about the DC... It's kinda ugly tho.
 
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I agree....DC's aren't the most "sleek and stylish" mowers! But it really doesn't matter what they look like. If I was looking at this lawn tractor and this was the mower that most fit my needs I would buy it even though it is one of the ugliest mowers I've seen! :rolleyes:
<img src="http://www.lawnmowerforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12782"/>
(http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t503/98Murray/yardman_zpsdd3c4144.jpg)

It's a shame they parked that nice looking yardman next to that ugly green junk Deere

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It's a shame they parked that nice looking yardman next to that ugly green junk Deere

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LOL, I'm not a Deere fan myself...
 
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