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Affordable Health Care
#1
jekjr
jekjr
Have any of you signed up for the new health care insurance? If so how much does it cost?
#2
exotion
exotion
I am waiting for it to go away people are realizing that its not free health care. And people don't generally like being forced to spend money.
#3
jekjr
My opinion as well. However I have not been able to find anybody that can tell me a price. In fact I have not found anybody yet that applied for it.
jekjr
I am waiting for it to go away people are realizing that its not free health care. And people don't generally like being forced to spend money.
My opinion as well. However I have not been able to find anybody that can tell me a price. In fact I have not found anybody yet that applied for it.
#4
P
PIMking
That's because it's SR22 for health insurance, it forces insurance companies to insure those who they wouldn't before then jack the rates up accordingly. oh and if you cant afford it, you'll get your fine in the mail..
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PIMking
My opinion as well. However I have not been able to find anybody that can tell me a price. In fact I have not found anybody yet that applied for it.
That's because it's SR22 for health insurance, it forces insurance companies to insure those who they wouldn't before then jack the rates up accordingly. oh and if you cant afford it, you'll get your fine in the mail..
#5
exotion
It comes out of your tax return there way of preventing non payers
exotion
That's because it's SR22 for health insurance, it forces insurance companies to insure those who they wouldn't before then jack the rates up accordingly. oh and if you cant afford it, you'll get your fine in the mail..
It comes out of your tax return there way of preventing non payers
#6
K
KennyV
Actually I believe I have seen that there are 'tax credits' to off set the premium cost.
In any case it will not be long now and everyone will actually see the real Facts regarding this new system, Rather than hearing & repeating the politically driven fallacies...
Just like when Social Security was first mandated, there were many claiming it would be the end of the government....
but it still seems to keep rolling along, just the grumbling has gotten easier to hear... :smile:KennyV
K
KennyV
It comes out of your tax return there way of preventing non payers
Actually I believe I have seen that there are 'tax credits' to off set the premium cost.
In any case it will not be long now and everyone will actually see the real Facts regarding this new system, Rather than hearing & repeating the politically driven fallacies...
Just like when Social Security was first mandated, there were many claiming it would be the end of the government....
but it still seems to keep rolling along, just the grumbling has gotten easier to hear... :smile:KennyV
#7
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1 Lucky Texan
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1 Lucky Texan
It may not be as horrible as conservatives are making out, but, generally, more government is rarely the correct answer for anything. I don't think our Founding Fathers would like the g'mint forcing people to contract with a private company.
The steaming pile that was US health care before the PPACA, is unlikely to be much better WITH the steaming pile that is the ACA, and the steaming pile that is the g'mint shutdown won't be helpful either.
Just what are the Republicans proposing to do? Just returnto the status quo ante?
The steaming pile that was US health care before the PPACA, is unlikely to be much better WITH the steaming pile that is the ACA, and the steaming pile that is the g'mint shutdown won't be helpful either.
Just what are the Republicans proposing to do? Just returnto the status quo ante?
#8
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1 Lucky Texan
you will use www.Healthcare.gov for rate comparison and sign-up I think. Just select Alabama from the State list.
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1 Lucky Texan
Have any of you signed up for the new health care insurance? If so how much does it cost?
you will use www.Healthcare.gov for rate comparison and sign-up I think. Just select Alabama from the State list.
#9
Ric
I don't know how much it cost but as of this morning there have been 8.6 million people visit the website and signed up so I guess it's not as bad as everybody is thinking or saying. The only problem there having is the website can't handle all the traffic so it's taking people a little longer to get signed up.
Ric
My opinion as well. However I have not been able to find anybody that can tell me a price. In fact I have not found anybody yet that applied for it.
I don't know how much it cost but as of this morning there have been 8.6 million people visit the website and signed up so I guess it's not as bad as everybody is thinking or saying. The only problem there having is the website can't handle all the traffic so it's taking people a little longer to get signed up.
#10
wjjones
wjjones
I am just going to take note of all of the idiots that are holding eveything up, and vote the other way come election time. I think that is the only way to get their attention is the threat of them loosing their seat in office.
#11
PVHIII
The idiot holding everything up is BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA and the idiots who voted him into office.. he's done more damage to this country than can ever be repaired...his goal is to bankrupt this country which is the only way to collapse the world economy so a new financial system can be put in place.. one world currency..one world government... wake up America!
PVHIII
I am just going to take note of all of the idiots that are holding eveything up, and vote the other way come election time. I think that is the only way to get their attention is the threat of them loosing their seat in office.
The idiot holding everything up is BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA and the idiots who voted him into office.. he's done more damage to this country than can ever be repaired...his goal is to bankrupt this country which is the only way to collapse the world economy so a new financial system can be put in place.. one world currency..one world government... wake up America!
#12
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Stevie-Ray
S
Stevie-Ray
I could add so much, so lets just say I completely agree.The idiot holding everything up is BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA and the idiots who voted him into office.. he's done more damage to this country than can ever be repaired...his goal is to bankrupt this country which is the only way to collapse the world economy so a new financial system can be put in place.. one world currency..one world government... wake up America!
#13
jekjr
I agree. The problem is we now have more people who vote for a living than we do that work for a living. Therefore it is only get worse till we have a total economic collapse.
jekjr
The idiot holding everything up is BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA and the idiots who voted him into office.. he's done more damage to this country than can ever be repaired...his goal is to bankrupt this country which is the only way to collapse the world economy so a new financial system can be put in place.. one world currency..one world government... wake up America!
I agree. The problem is we now have more people who vote for a living than we do that work for a living. Therefore it is only get worse till we have a total economic collapse.
#14
Carscw
Carscw
The biggest problem is people don't want to find out facts for them selfs and just listen to what others want them to believe.
Read and learn the facts and stop putting everything down just because you don't like him. It was not him who shut everything down.
No did not vote for him and do not like him but stop blaming him for what others should be blamed for.
It's like saying I don't like craftsman because the engines suck but then buy a JD with the same engine.
Really should know ALL. The FACTS. Before running the mouth
Read and learn the facts and stop putting everything down just because you don't like him. It was not him who shut everything down.
No did not vote for him and do not like him but stop blaming him for what others should be blamed for.
It's like saying I don't like craftsman because the engines suck but then buy a JD with the same engine.
Really should know ALL. The FACTS. Before running the mouth
#15
PVHIII
I know the facts but you obviously do not...I run my mouth when I get ready
PVHIII
The biggest problem is people don't want to find out facts for them selfs and just listen to what others want them to believe.
Read and learn the facts and stop putting everything down just because you don't like him. It was not him who shut everything down.
No did not vote for him and do not like him but stop blaming him for what others should be blamed for.
It's like saying I don't like craftsman because the engines suck but then buy a JD with the
Really should know ALL. The FACTS. Before running the mouth
I know the facts but you obviously do not...I run my mouth when I get ready
#16
K
KennyV
Well your Right ... again. It is amazing how, so many of the Most vocal can skim right over what is going on, and Never figure out what they see until the hate radio talk show pendants tell them what they should believe... and then they are ready to 'run their mouth'... and parrot what they have heard... Never encumbered with facts.
The house "could" have put this up for a vote and all of this would have been avoided... No voting is going on and those blocking the vote have shut down the government, But they are still getting paid.
:smile:KennyV
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KennyV
The biggest problem is people don't want to find out facts for them selfs and just listen to what others want them to believe.
Read and learn the facts and stop putting everything down just because you don't like him. It was not him who shut everything down.
No did not vote for him and do not like him but stop blaming him for what others should be blamed for.
It's like saying I don't like craftsman because the engines suck but then buy a JD with the same engine.
Really should know ALL. The FACTS. Before running the mouth
Well your Right ... again. It is amazing how, so many of the Most vocal can skim right over what is going on, and Never figure out what they see until the hate radio talk show pendants tell them what they should believe... and then they are ready to 'run their mouth'... and parrot what they have heard... Never encumbered with facts.
The house "could" have put this up for a vote and all of this would have been avoided... No voting is going on and those blocking the vote have shut down the government, But they are still getting paid.
:smile:KennyV
#17
PVHIII
Not gonna argue politics..with the politically misimformed....THIS IS A LAWN MOWER FORUM..and I don't watch any news on TV or listen to talk radio... does anyone know who George Soros is??..and can anyone explain his open door to the White House... I bet you've never beard the name talk to me about mowers or mowing or join my Iggy list..and you must not realize that Hussein Obama wanted this shut-down and why he wanted it...we're suffering from a lack of leadership and it starts at the top..the republicans in Congress ran on stopping obamacare and if they don't they loose their jobs..all they're asking for is a one year reprieve for us all not jus a select few which are being hand chosen by Hussein Obama and there will be alot of very unpopular things coming out that Americans are not gonna like in this next year and yes the Republicans want to expose them... and I'm Conservative... not a Republican.. but the fact remains we have a president of the world (so he thinks) who wants to bankrupt this country and if don't know that your the one just spouting off at the mouth
PVHIII
Well your Right ... again. It is amazing how, so many of the Most vocal can skim right over what is going on, and Never figure out what they see until the hate radio talk show pendants tell them what they should believe... and then they are ready to 'run their mouth'... and parrot what they have heard... Never encumbered with facts.
The house "could" have put this up for a vote and all of this would have been avoided... No voting is going on and those blocking the vote have shut down the government, But they are still getting paid.
:smile:KennyV
Not gonna argue politics..with the politically misimformed....THIS IS A LAWN MOWER FORUM..and I don't watch any news on TV or listen to talk radio... does anyone know who George Soros is??..and can anyone explain his open door to the White House... I bet you've never beard the name talk to me about mowers or mowing or join my Iggy list..and you must not realize that Hussein Obama wanted this shut-down and why he wanted it...we're suffering from a lack of leadership and it starts at the top..the republicans in Congress ran on stopping obamacare and if they don't they loose their jobs..all they're asking for is a one year reprieve for us all not jus a select few which are being hand chosen by Hussein Obama and there will be alot of very unpopular things coming out that Americans are not gonna like in this next year and yes the Republicans want to expose them... and I'm Conservative... not a Republican.. but the fact remains we have a president of the world (so he thinks) who wants to bankrupt this country and if don't know that your the one just spouting off at the mouth
#18
Carscw
Carscw
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#19
exotion
exotion
This guy reminds me of that other dude uhmm americanturf? Get so angry its amazing how much gets blamed a man who really has no power he does his job well his job is to be the figure head someone for people to blame
#20
chobbs1957
chobbs1957
I know I have limited "security" from Social Security.
I also know that Affordable Health Care is probably not going to be quite so "affordable".
I am glad to see somebody trying to do something, but strongly disagree with all the political wranglings that are more about political party allegiance than to allegiance to country.
Oh, how I would welcome more "statesmen" and fewer politicians.
I also know that Affordable Health Care is probably not going to be quite so "affordable".
I am glad to see somebody trying to do something, but strongly disagree with all the political wranglings that are more about political party allegiance than to allegiance to country.
Oh, how I would welcome more "statesmen" and fewer politicians.
#21
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Stevie-Ray
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Stevie-Ray
Does his job well? If his "job" is to promote socialism in America, then yes, he does it well. You people that don't believe that have obviously never read HIS OWN writings. Socialism is his end game, and he knows he's got much of the country wrapped around his disgusting finger. That part of the country thinks they can get something for free and are loving it. Those that are making the money pay for those that refuse. Socialism is exploding in this country, and until it's stopped in it's tracks by somebody like Ted Cruz or Rand Paul, we will continue to circle the drain, until the inevitable. Far as I'm concerned, practicing socialism or communism should be considered treason in this country.This guy reminds me of that other dude uhmm americanturf? Get so angry its amazing how much gets blamed a man who really has no power he does his job well his job is to be the figure head someone for people to blame
#22
midnite rider
midnite rider
If it gets to the point where the EBT cards quit working and the social security and welfare checks are delayed for a few weeks you are going to see a lot of these parasites come out of the woodwork. If you live in the city I would plan an escape to the country. A lot of these parasites have the mentality of what is yours is theirs and they will try to take it as that is all they have ever known is a handout and they feel entitlement to it. Just look at what happened this weekend with an electronic glitch.
EBT system goes down threatening riots.
EBT system goes down threatening riots.
#23
PVHIII
PVHIII
AMEN BROTHER!!!...NICE TO KNOW THERE ARE SOME FOLKS OUT THERE THAT KNOW THIS..IT'S IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DISCUSS POLITICS WITH PEOPLE WHO GET ALL THERE INFO FROM THE TELEVISION... READ HIS OWN WORDS PEOPLE!!!!Does his job well? If his "job" is to promote socialism in America, then yes, he does it well. You people that don't believe that have obviously never read HIS OWN writings. Socialism is his end game, and he knows he's got much of the country wrapped around his disgusting finger. That part of the country thinks they can get something for free and are loving it. Those that are making the money pay for those that refuse. Socialism is exploding in this country, and until it's stopped in it's tracks by somebody like Ted Cruz or Rand Paul, we will continue to circle the drain, until the inevitable. Far as I'm concerned, practicing socialism or communism should be considered treason in this country.
#24
Carscw
Carscw
I agree you take away EBT and there will be riots but not everyone that gets EBT is a thug or never had to work there are people that work full time jobs and get EBT Or foster parents.
16 years of bad presidents has hurt this country
We had bush who started a war over a personal vendetta
Now Obama who gives weapons to country's that will use them on us.
They both used the country for there personal gain.
The bad part is Obama got reelected because he was the one that would do the less harm to the country
16 years of bad presidents has hurt this country
We had bush who started a war over a personal vendetta
Now Obama who gives weapons to country's that will use them on us.
They both used the country for there personal gain.
The bad part is Obama got reelected because he was the one that would do the less harm to the country
#25
midnite rider
I agree that some are truly needy but their are many who abuse the system as they can work but chose instead to live off the government dole. This is who I am addressing. I see them everyday. Usually they are provided with housing, food and a welfare check in the amount of children they can bear. They do drive nice cars though.
As the saying goes, Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
16 years of us allowing bad policy has hurt this country.
They have always used war as an excuse to take your liberties/rights temporarily during wartime but with the so called "war on terror" the war is everlasting.
midnite rider
I agree you take away EBT and there will be riots but not everyone that gets EBT is a thug or never had to work there are people that work full time jobs and get EBT Or foster parents.
16 years of bad presidents has hurt this country
We had bush who started a war over a personal vendetta
Now Obama who gives weapons to country's that will use them on us.
They both used the country for there personal gain.
The bad part is Obama got reelected because he was the one that would do the less harm to the country
I agree that some are truly needy but their are many who abuse the system as they can work but chose instead to live off the government dole. This is who I am addressing. I see them everyday. Usually they are provided with housing, food and a welfare check in the amount of children they can bear. They do drive nice cars though.
As the saying goes, Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
16 years of us allowing bad policy has hurt this country.
They have always used war as an excuse to take your liberties/rights temporarily during wartime but with the so called "war on terror" the war is everlasting.
#26
1
1 Lucky Texan
yeah, the 2 Older Parties have not served us well lately. Voting for the lesser of 2 evils still get us evil. Neither one gives 2 cents for individual rights. Yeah, I might think one is worse than the other in that regard, but I still can't support either one - and haven't since the mid-80s.
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1 Lucky Texan
I agree you take away EBT and there will be riots but not everyone that gets EBT is a thug or never had to work there are people that work full time jobs and get EBT Or foster parents.
16 years of bad presidents has hurt this country
We had bush who started a war over a personal vendetta
Now Obama who gives weapons to country's that will use them on us.
They both used the country for there personal gain.
The bad part is Obama got reelected because he was the one that would do the less harm to the country
yeah, the 2 Older Parties have not served us well lately. Voting for the lesser of 2 evils still get us evil. Neither one gives 2 cents for individual rights. Yeah, I might think one is worse than the other in that regard, but I still can't support either one - and haven't since the mid-80s.
#27
djdicetn
djdicetn
OK, I ran across this thread after it had somehow evolved from a question about "Affordable Health Care" to a podium for political slander towards others' personal views/convictions. OK.....in an attempt to get this thread back on topic, let me give some feedback from an IT professional who worked over 13 years on Tennessee's variation to State-regulated Medicaid programs lovingly referred to as Tenncare. Now I'm not talking "Medicare", so let's keep the Feds completely out of any responses to my post....THANK YOU VERY MUCH:0)
Although, the waiver/permission TN received was directly from the then called HCFA(the Feds who mandate Medicaid and subsidize it with matching Federally dollars), this was a state(that I was born & raised in 62 years ago) attempt to venture where no other state had ever dared......provide health insurance coverage for (A) ALL children not having coverage, (B)ALL Unisured TN citizens that have income above the poverty level(required for Medicaid eligibility) but do not have coverage and (C)ALL Uninsurable TN citizens that have cancer, etc. where a "private insurance company" will NOT provide a policy for coverage.......PERIOD. Now "THAT", opposed to Obamacare(if that's what we want to call the Affordable Health Care Act) is an attempt at a REAL solution. Sadly, 18 years after it's conception/inception, TENNCARE is a complete failure. Why do you ask? Well let me tell you why.....the (B)Unisured population....yeah like you guys(self-employed, etc.) that are asking about signing up for the current Feds solution were "supposed to" pay a Monthly Premium(a sliding fee based upon Income and family size, and myself being privvy to the rates I can say these were "fair premiums") found out if they didn't pay their premiums HCFA would not allow TN to kick them of the Medicaid(Tenncare) program. An activist lawyer defended them and they simply did NOT pay their premiums(and remained a little more wealthy)!!! I'm talking about self-employed "rich TN residents" with $200,000 homes that WOULD NOT pay a $400/month premium(this was by design revenue that would allow the State of TN to provide coverage to ALL children and uninsurable citizens who insurance companies refused to cover). Of course even those just above the poverty level followed the lead and the "revenue" to make Tenncare work(from Uninsured/Uninsurable premiums) didn't happen causing a reverting to a program that was just like every other state's Medicaid program(all of them on the brink of eating their state budgets alive). Soooooooo, all that being said, what do you think about Tennessee's effort to provide "affordable health care" and the "rich uninsured" causing it to fail. If the Affordable Health Care Act fails.........somehow I personally believe that it will be the same underlying reason(the indifference of the 2% of this nations population that are rich and want to CONTROL everything that happens). I consider the failure of the Tenncare solution to be squarely on the shoulders of greedy rich "politicians"(maybe not in the sense of holding an office, but nonetheless opportunistic just like hardcore Democrats and Republicans). Do you feel a little shame towards this nations values now????????????????
Although, the waiver/permission TN received was directly from the then called HCFA(the Feds who mandate Medicaid and subsidize it with matching Federally dollars), this was a state(that I was born & raised in 62 years ago) attempt to venture where no other state had ever dared......provide health insurance coverage for (A) ALL children not having coverage, (B)ALL Unisured TN citizens that have income above the poverty level(required for Medicaid eligibility) but do not have coverage and (C)ALL Uninsurable TN citizens that have cancer, etc. where a "private insurance company" will NOT provide a policy for coverage.......PERIOD. Now "THAT", opposed to Obamacare(if that's what we want to call the Affordable Health Care Act) is an attempt at a REAL solution. Sadly, 18 years after it's conception/inception, TENNCARE is a complete failure. Why do you ask? Well let me tell you why.....the (B)Unisured population....yeah like you guys(self-employed, etc.) that are asking about signing up for the current Feds solution were "supposed to" pay a Monthly Premium(a sliding fee based upon Income and family size, and myself being privvy to the rates I can say these were "fair premiums") found out if they didn't pay their premiums HCFA would not allow TN to kick them of the Medicaid(Tenncare) program. An activist lawyer defended them and they simply did NOT pay their premiums(and remained a little more wealthy)!!! I'm talking about self-employed "rich TN residents" with $200,000 homes that WOULD NOT pay a $400/month premium(this was by design revenue that would allow the State of TN to provide coverage to ALL children and uninsurable citizens who insurance companies refused to cover). Of course even those just above the poverty level followed the lead and the "revenue" to make Tenncare work(from Uninsured/Uninsurable premiums) didn't happen causing a reverting to a program that was just like every other state's Medicaid program(all of them on the brink of eating their state budgets alive). Soooooooo, all that being said, what do you think about Tennessee's effort to provide "affordable health care" and the "rich uninsured" causing it to fail. If the Affordable Health Care Act fails.........somehow I personally believe that it will be the same underlying reason(the indifference of the 2% of this nations population that are rich and want to CONTROL everything that happens). I consider the failure of the Tenncare solution to be squarely on the shoulders of greedy rich "politicians"(maybe not in the sense of holding an office, but nonetheless opportunistic just like hardcore Democrats and Republicans). Do you feel a little shame towards this nations values now????????????????
#28
I
itguy08
I think we will see more of it as immigrants coming here from Socialist countries expect the same here that they had there. And they vote whoever will give them those things. And you have politicians like Obama promising everyone the stars and moon yet delivering on none of them. Combine that with a media that has a love affair with one party and you'll see why they get elected.
Stroll through memory lane and see people that thought when Obama got elected we'd all be getting "Obama checks" and "Obama phones" and how magically everyone would be rich. Funny how that didn't pan out. Heck, even look at Obama's promises WRT the ACA and you'll see he was wrong on all counts.
What we as a citizenry need to do is vote them all out. Remind them that they are there on our whim and that they are there to serve the people for a limited time and not be a career. Until we start putting the fear of God into them and voting them out we're the ones responsible for this mess!
I
itguy08
Socialism is exploding in this country, and until it's stopped in it's tracks by somebody like Ted Cruz or Rand Paul, we will continue to circle the drain, until the inevitable. Far as I'm concerned, practicing socialism or communism should be considered treason in this country.
I think we will see more of it as immigrants coming here from Socialist countries expect the same here that they had there. And they vote whoever will give them those things. And you have politicians like Obama promising everyone the stars and moon yet delivering on none of them. Combine that with a media that has a love affair with one party and you'll see why they get elected.
Stroll through memory lane and see people that thought when Obama got elected we'd all be getting "Obama checks" and "Obama phones" and how magically everyone would be rich. Funny how that didn't pan out. Heck, even look at Obama's promises WRT the ACA and you'll see he was wrong on all counts.
What we as a citizenry need to do is vote them all out. Remind them that they are there on our whim and that they are there to serve the people for a limited time and not be a career. Until we start putting the fear of God into them and voting them out we're the ones responsible for this mess!
#29
djdicetn
OK, I digress.....I guess this thread is NOT about Affordable Health Care:0)
itguy08,
Do you have health care coverage through your employer? Does your employer share the premium cost? How much do you get deducted from your paycheck montly for that coverage and can you still afford life's necessities after that expense? Do you get precriptions filled for $10 co-pay generics or does it cost you $100 for a single needed medication? Have you considered turning 65-yrs-old and having Medicare? Are you ever ill, needing a doctor's care and what do you pay(co-pay or co-insurance %)? What if, like my wife last May with breast cancer, you find out you or someone in your immediate family has a life-threatening medical condition and you answered one of the previous questions with a NO?????
I could care less if Alfred E. Neuman was our President or who serves in Congress...but if something isn't done to control the spiraling health care costs and lack of universal health caare coverage the next generation will be the ones to "suffer". Think about that rather than a political agenda:0(
djdicetn
I think we will see more of it as immigrants coming here from Socialist countries expect the same here that they had there. And they vote whoever will give them those things. And you have politicians like Obama promising everyone the stars and moon yet delivering on none of them. Combine that with a media that has a love affair with one party and you'll see why they get elected.
Stroll through memory lane and see people that thought when Obama got elected we'd all be getting "Obama checks" and "Obama phones" and how magically everyone would be rich. Funny how that didn't pan out. Heck, even look at Obama's promises WRT the ACA and you'll see he was wrong on all counts.
What we as a citizenry need to do is vote them all out. Remind them that they are there on our whim and that they are there to serve the people for a limited time and not be a career. Until we start putting the fear of God into them and voting them out we're the ones responsible for this mess!
OK, I digress.....I guess this thread is NOT about Affordable Health Care:0)
itguy08,
Do you have health care coverage through your employer? Does your employer share the premium cost? How much do you get deducted from your paycheck montly for that coverage and can you still afford life's necessities after that expense? Do you get precriptions filled for $10 co-pay generics or does it cost you $100 for a single needed medication? Have you considered turning 65-yrs-old and having Medicare? Are you ever ill, needing a doctor's care and what do you pay(co-pay or co-insurance %)? What if, like my wife last May with breast cancer, you find out you or someone in your immediate family has a life-threatening medical condition and you answered one of the previous questions with a NO?????
I could care less if Alfred E. Neuman was our President or who serves in Congress...but if something isn't done to control the spiraling health care costs and lack of universal health caare coverage the next generation will be the ones to "suffer". Think about that rather than a political agenda:0(
#30
S
Stevie-Ray
S
Stevie-Ray
My wife has been chronically ill with severe rheumatoid arthritis for the last 33 years of our marriage. (9 replacement surgeries) Yes I have healthcare from my work, from which I have retired from 5 years ago. And yes, as you retire instead of paying less, since you are no longer on the rolls, you pay more. My healthcare has steadily been getting worse and costs are skyrocketing. Know when they went up the most? In the last 6 months. Thanks Obamacare. You're giving healthcare to those that neither deserve it, nor should even be in this country, and financing it on the backs of the ever-decreasing middle-class. I would have vastly preferred the status-quo to this. Obamacare needs to be trashed-what the hell is the matter with this idiot and why can't he see that the majority of Americans don't want this, and the number is growing everyday? His legacy is likely to be the president that destroyed America. Far as I'm concerned, he's well on his way. Going back to the privately owned healthcare system that is long-remembered as the best in the world is what is needed. Oh, and social security and medicare? Force congress to put into the system retroactively, and be placed on it when they retire just like the rest of us, and it will be fixed tomorrow. Not our faults congress raided the system for it's own uses-they owe it to us.OK, I digress.....I guess this thread is NOT about Affordable Health Care:0)
itguy08,
Do you have health care coverage through your employer? Does your employer share the premium cost? How much do you get deducted from your paycheck montly for that coverage and can you still afford life's necessities after that expense? Do you get precriptions filled for $10 co-pay generics or does it cost you $100 for a single needed medication? Have you considered turning 65-yrs-old and having Medicare? Are you ever ill, needing a doctor's care and what do you pay(co-pay or co-insurance %)? What if, like my wife last May with breast cancer, you find out you or someone in your immediate family has a life-threatening medical condition and you answered one of the previous questions with a NO?????
I could care less if Alfred E. Neuman was our President or who serves in Congress...but if something isn't done to control the spiraling health care costs and lack of universal health caare coverage the next generation will be the ones to "suffer". Think about that rather than a political agenda:0(
#31
K
KennyV
You are right, Unfortunately, as with other government subjects that are Not dealing with what the Very vocal minority are always screaming about, they must railroad the thread and make it about Their political agenda... as if getting Louder and repeating things they wish were true is going to somehow Help their disillusioned fringe movement.
It would have been Nice to hear what other folks have found, actually found with the Affordable Health Care law ... Rather than hearing off subject rants about how things will Only work if it were Only different...
But I am sure that anyone that May have had something worth saying & hearing from is going to steer clear of this post as it is going by the wayside, I too will leave it for the haters to try to push Their little message out.
K
KennyV
OK.....I guess this thread is NOT about Affordable Health Care:
itguy08,
You are right, Unfortunately, as with other government subjects that are Not dealing with what the Very vocal minority are always screaming about, they must railroad the thread and make it about Their political agenda... as if getting Louder and repeating things they wish were true is going to somehow Help their disillusioned fringe movement.
It would have been Nice to hear what other folks have found, actually found with the Affordable Health Care law ... Rather than hearing off subject rants about how things will Only work if it were Only different...
But I am sure that anyone that May have had something worth saying & hearing from is going to steer clear of this post as it is going by the wayside, I too will leave it for the haters to try to push Their little message out.
#32
jekjr
jekjr
I do not know what the Affordable Health Care costs are. I have found nobody yet that has gotten it or can quote me a price as to what they are paying. However I have heard numerous people now that say their Blue Cross has gone up 60%. We have not gotten our letter yet but if/when we do we will be uninsured. There is no way we can afford it.
#33
jekjr
jekjr
The time for compromise is over with. It is do or die. Either we are going to be a communist welfare state or we are going to be free. There is no room left for compromise. Personally I believe it has gone too far to turn back. I pray God help our kids and grand kids.
#34
PVHIII
When the socialist took office in 2012 gas was $1.89 a gallon and he's on camera admitting this is his goal..to make the price of fossil fuels so high we can't afford to buy it and to regulate the coal industry to the point of bankruptcy.. and he was re-elcted amazing to me how little the average voter knows about the person they're voting for
PVHIII
I agree you take away EBT and there will be riots but not everyone that gets EBT is a thug or never had to work there are people that work full time jobs and get EBT Or foster parents.
16 years of bad presidents has hurt this country
We had bush who started a war over a personal vendetta
Now Obama who gives weapons to country's that will use them on us.
They both used the country for there personal gain.
The bad part is Obama got reelected because he was the one that would do the less harm to the country
When the socialist took office in 2012 gas was $1.89 a gallon and he's on camera admitting this is his goal..to make the price of fossil fuels so high we can't afford to buy it and to regulate the coal industry to the point of bankruptcy.. and he was re-elcted amazing to me how little the average voter knows about the person they're voting for
#35
Carscw
Carscw
Where was gas $1.89 last year?When the socialist took office in 2012 gas was $1.89 a gallon and he's on camera admitting this is his goal..to make the price of fossil fuels so high we can't afford to buy it and to regulate the coal industry to the point of bankruptcy.. and he was re-elcted amazing to me how little the average voter knows about the person they're voting for
#36
jekjr
Wrong year. I think he meant to say in 08 when he first took office.
jekjr
Where was gas $1.89 last year?
Wrong year. I think he meant to say in 08 when he first took office.
#37
jekjr
jekjr
This morning on Face Book I am seeing people showing figures where their Blue Cross has doubled and then some. Some of them are my personal relatives.
#38
exotion
exotion
Just got a couple quotes for me and my wife it is going to cost 400 a month out of pocket but it will get refunded in tax credits
#39
jekjr
Where did you get the quotes for that? Is that $400 each or for the two of you? How old are you if you don't. Ind my asking?
jekjr
Just got a couple quotes for me and my wife it is going to cost 400 a month out of pocket but it will get refunded in tax credits
Where did you get the quotes for that? Is that $400 each or for the two of you? How old are you if you don't. Ind my asking?
#40
djdicetn
I am sooooo glad to see some of you keeping this thread on topic and indeed the Affordable Health Care Act willinevitably have compromises that will cause burdens for some(cost-wise)......but HOPEFULLY will provide opportunites for the majority of those without healthcare coverage to obtain policies that if(and I have not read the complete AHCA, so I don't really know) will be "affordable", which is implied by this statute.
djdicetn
Where did you get the quotes for that? Is that $400 each or for the two of you? How old are you if you don't. Ind my asking?
I am sooooo glad to see some of you keeping this thread on topic and indeed the Affordable Health Care Act willinevitably have compromises that will cause burdens for some(cost-wise)......but HOPEFULLY will provide opportunites for the majority of those without healthcare coverage to obtain policies that if(and I have not read the complete AHCA, so I don't really know) will be "affordable", which is implied by this statute.
#43
exotion
The health care website I am 24 she is 29 400 for both no preexisting conditions and I made 42k this year I will not be getting this year I would rather pay the 300 out of taxes this year looks like I may not next year as 1500 dollar penality is still cheaper hopefully by then people will come to their senses and get rid of it ...
exotion
Where did you get the quotes for that? Is that $400 each or for the two of you? How old are you if you don't. Ind my asking?
The health care website I am 24 she is 29 400 for both no preexisting conditions and I made 42k this year I will not be getting this year I would rather pay the 300 out of taxes this year looks like I may not next year as 1500 dollar penality is still cheaper hopefully by then people will come to their senses and get rid of it ...
#44
PVHIII
Then why ask?...that's what kids do...ask questions they already know the answer to...I see your 24 goin on 16 obviously lol...I've gotten 3 PM's from different forum users telling me what an idiot you are...I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt..but I see they knew what they were talkin about..word of advice...Grow up son
PVHIII
Yeah I know you did
Then why ask?...that's what kids do...ask questions they already know the answer to...I see your 24 goin on 16 obviously lol...I've gotten 3 PM's from different forum users telling me what an idiot you are...I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt..but I see they knew what they were talkin about..word of advice...Grow up son
#45
Ric
The quote you got was from the Insurance company and yes if you got it directly from them it will cost you $400 but I think you'll find out that figure is without the Government subsidy. After they the government pays the subsidy it probably wont cost you any where close to that.
Ric
I do not know what the Affordable Health Care costs are. I have found nobody yet that has gotten it or can quote me a price as to what they are paying. However I have heard numerous people now that say their Blue Cross has gone up 60%. We have not gotten our letter yet but if/when we do we will be uninsured. There is no way we can afford it.
The health care website I am 24 she is 29 400 for both no preexisting conditions and I made 42k this year I will not be getting this year I would rather pay the 300 out of taxes this year looks like I may not next year as 1500 dollar penality is still cheaper hopefully by then people will come to their senses and get rid of it ...
The quote you got was from the Insurance company and yes if you got it directly from them it will cost you $400 but I think you'll find out that figure is without the Government subsidy. After they the government pays the subsidy it probably wont cost you any where close to that.
#46
exotion
The only thing that sounds good to me is the dental side of things my teeth are shot if it actually worth it pricewise I might I kinda just don't like being forced to spend money when I try to keep a tight budget
exotion
The quote you got was from the Insurance company and yes if you got it directly from them it will cost you $400 but I think you'll find out that figure is without the Government subsidy. After they the government pays the subsidy it probably wont cost you any where close to that.
The only thing that sounds good to me is the dental side of things my teeth are shot if it actually worth it pricewise I might I kinda just don't like being forced to spend money when I try to keep a tight budget
#47
Ric
If you want the dental plan you can add it to the policy or vision plan or what every and get a quote online from the insurance company you pick and what ever they quote you for a price the government will pay a portion or a subsidy that's why they call it the affordable health care act. Why do you think everyone is trying to get signed up for Obama Care. The thing is you have people saying I saw or I heard or he said and this thread reminds me of the ethanol thread, all kinds of things being said and no facts. The other thing is if you already have health Insurance you don't have to use it or sign up.
Ric
The only thing that sounds good to me is the dental side of things my teeth are shot if it actually worth it pricewise I might I kinda just don't like being forced to spend money when I try to keep a tight budget
If you want the dental plan you can add it to the policy or vision plan or what every and get a quote online from the insurance company you pick and what ever they quote you for a price the government will pay a portion or a subsidy that's why they call it the affordable health care act. Why do you think everyone is trying to get signed up for Obama Care. The thing is you have people saying I saw or I heard or he said and this thread reminds me of the ethanol thread, all kinds of things being said and no facts. The other thing is if you already have health Insurance you don't have to use it or sign up.
#48
exotion
exotion
Got off the phone with apple health for medical and dental for.me and my wife it will be 225 after subsidys I am going to call some more still doesn't seem worth it
#49
Ric
Ok trying picking another company, there about a dozen different company's there
Ric
Got off the phone with apple health for medical and dental for.me and my wife it will be 225 after subsidys I am going to call some more still doesn't seem worth it
Ok trying picking another company, there about a dozen different company's there
#50
Carscw
I see you still can not add I was 24 24 years ago.
I am not here for crybabys like you to like me or the 3 other sissys.
Unlike you I try to help others on here not tell them to hack up there mowers by cutting wires.
I also see your to redneck dumb to get sarcasm.
The fact that you don't like me makes my day a little better knowing I don't have to talk to one more fuktard like you.
Carscw
Then why ask?...that's what kids do...ask questions they already know the answer to...I see your 24 goin on 16 obviously lol...I've gotten 3 PM's from different forum users telling me what an idiot you are...I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt..but I see they knew what they were talkin about..word of advice...Grow up son
I see you still can not add I was 24 24 years ago.
I am not here for crybabys like you to like me or the 3 other sissys.
Unlike you I try to help others on here not tell them to hack up there mowers by cutting wires.
I also see your to redneck dumb to get sarcasm.
The fact that you don't like me makes my day a little better knowing I don't have to talk to one more fuktard like you.
#51
exotion
Unless he is talking about me.... I am 24 and if people think I am an idiot that's cool.... I am 24 buying a house, own 3 vehicles, have 2 brilliant children and beautiful wife and am running a completely legitimate successful small business so ya if I am an idiot I am a pretty lucky one.
Related topic I am going to call 5 other places in the morning for more quotes frankly if I have to pay more than 75 a month I am not going to do it I like the idea of the affordable care act I do not like being given an ultimatum of paying monthly or paying a fee either way I am.being forced to pay and am getting annoyed. There is no great conspiracy there is simply no way for someone to design something like this to please everyone people will be annoyed but it can have huge benefits for a lot of people to get the care they need. I read that post about people on food stamps and other assistance and laughed at the ignorance there are a few bad eggs but bot everyone on it is going to riot or revolt .. last year I was on food assistance it helped put healthy food on my kids table instead of processed food starch and fillers. It's funny how these same that said social security and Medicare were going to be the downfall of this country... And am now using it to live and guess what we are still a country.. we still have issues but Obama and affordable care act is not going to be the down fall
I will give a detailed list in the morning with my quotes prices
exotion
I see you still can not add I was 24 24 years ago.
I am not here for crybabys like you to like me or the 3 other sissys.
Unlike you I try to help others on here not tell them to hack up there mowers by cutting wires.
I also see your to redneck dumb to get sarcasm.
The fact that you don't like me makes my day a little better knowing I don't have to talk to one more fuktard like you.
Unless he is talking about me.... I am 24 and if people think I am an idiot that's cool.... I am 24 buying a house, own 3 vehicles, have 2 brilliant children and beautiful wife and am running a completely legitimate successful small business so ya if I am an idiot I am a pretty lucky one.
Related topic I am going to call 5 other places in the morning for more quotes frankly if I have to pay more than 75 a month I am not going to do it I like the idea of the affordable care act I do not like being given an ultimatum of paying monthly or paying a fee either way I am.being forced to pay and am getting annoyed. There is no great conspiracy there is simply no way for someone to design something like this to please everyone people will be annoyed but it can have huge benefits for a lot of people to get the care they need. I read that post about people on food stamps and other assistance and laughed at the ignorance there are a few bad eggs but bot everyone on it is going to riot or revolt .. last year I was on food assistance it helped put healthy food on my kids table instead of processed food starch and fillers. It's funny how these same that said social security and Medicare were going to be the downfall of this country... And am now using it to live and guess what we are still a country.. we still have issues but Obama and affordable care act is not going to be the down fall
I will give a detailed list in the morning with my quotes prices
#52
Ric
You say it's 225 is that a family policy or is that just you and your wife? A family policy should cost you less when you factor in the kids with the income you have. Thing is if the 225 is a family policy that's a real good price. I retired from the county and if I would have chose to carry there insurance it would be costing me over 500 a month and that covered just me with the basic policy. The other thing is your complaining about paying every month. I'll tell ya it's a lot easier to come up with that 225 every month than over maybe a 1000 every six months, that's the reason they're doing things like that. Like you said you were going to check the other company's, do that and make them fight for your business that's how you get the lower prices.
Ric
Got off the phone with apple health for medical and dental for.me and my wife it will be 225 after subsidy's I am going to call some more still doesn't seem worth it
You say it's 225 is that a family policy or is that just you and your wife? A family policy should cost you less when you factor in the kids with the income you have. Thing is if the 225 is a family policy that's a real good price. I retired from the county and if I would have chose to carry there insurance it would be costing me over 500 a month and that covered just me with the basic policy. The other thing is your complaining about paying every month. I'll tell ya it's a lot easier to come up with that 225 every month than over maybe a 1000 every six months, that's the reason they're doing things like that. Like you said you were going to check the other company's, do that and make them fight for your business that's how you get the lower prices.
#53
jekjr
jekjr
My wife and I are paying $586 a month for Blue Cross. Many people in our area have been paying about the same. We have not gotten a letter yet. It numerous others have and their insurance doubled. My brother in law had theirs go up 104%. There is absolutely no way that I can afford mine if it goes up that much. In fact I am maxed out at $586 a month.
#54
jekjr
If you read You will find that MediCare and Medicaid are broke because the idiots in DC have taken money and used it for other things. We are now trillions of dollars in debt as a nation. There are many people already losing their jobs because of this "Affordable Health Care". To be honest I have not found anybody yet that has gotten any health insurance that is affordable.
jekjr
Unless he is talking about me.... I am 24 and if people think I am an idiot that's cool.... I am 24 buying a house, own 3 vehicles, have 2 brilliant children and beautiful wife and am running a completely legitimate successful small business so ya if I am an idiot I am a pretty lucky one.
Related topic I am going to call 5 other places in the morning for more quotes frankly if I have to pay more than 75 a month I am not going to do it I like the idea of the affordable care act I do not like being given an ultimatum of paying monthly or paying a fee either way I am.being forced to pay and am getting annoyed. There is no great conspiracy there is simply no way for someone to design something like this to please everyone people will be annoyed but it can have huge benefits for a lot of people to get the care they need. I read that post about people on food stamps and other assistance and laughed at the ignorance there are a few bad eggs but bot everyone on it is going to riot or revolt .. last year I was on food assistance it helped put healthy food on my kids table instead of processed food starch and fillers. It's funny how these same that said social security and Medicare were going to be the downfall of this country... And am now using it to live and guess what we are still a country.. we still have issues but Obama and affordable care act is not going to be the down fall
I will give a detailed list in the morning with my quotes prices
If you read You will find that MediCare and Medicaid are broke because the idiots in DC have taken money and used it for other things. We are now trillions of dollars in debt as a nation. There are many people already losing their jobs because of this "Affordable Health Care". To be honest I have not found anybody yet that has gotten any health insurance that is affordable.
#55
Ric
We are now trillions of dollars in debt as a nation because of all the wars were involved in doesn't have anything to do much with MediCare and Medicaid. I think you'll find most people will end up saving over half the price on there health care that they were paying. When you stop and think about it and the price of health care what it is, and now it will be based on your income it means lower income people who couldn't afford insurance will be getting insurance for almost nothing. If givin a chance you'll find the Affordable Health Care" will work and be beneficial to most people.
Ric
If you read You will find that MediCare and Medicaid are broke because the idiots in DC have taken money and used it for other things. We are now trillions of dollars in debt as a nation. There are many people already losing their jobs because of this "Affordable Health Care". To be honest I have not found anybody yet that has gotten any health insurance that is affordable.
We are now trillions of dollars in debt as a nation because of all the wars were involved in doesn't have anything to do much with MediCare and Medicaid. I think you'll find most people will end up saving over half the price on there health care that they were paying. When you stop and think about it and the price of health care what it is, and now it will be based on your income it means lower income people who couldn't afford insurance will be getting insurance for almost nothing. If givin a chance you'll find the Affordable Health Care" will work and be beneficial to most people.
#56
Ric
Have you even got a quote for the Affordable Health Care.???
Ric
My wife and I are paying $586 a month for Blue Cross. Many people in our area have been paying about the same. We have not gotten a letter yet. It numerous others have and their insurance doubled. My brother in law had theirs go up 104%. There is absolutely no way that I can afford mine if it goes up that much. In fact I am maxed out at $586 a month.
Have you even got a quote for the Affordable Health Care.???
#57
Ric
I agree with everything you said Carscw and that's the problem, nobody knows the facts.
Ric
The biggest problem is people don't want to find out facts for them selfs and just listen to what others want them to believe.
Read and learn the facts and stop putting everything down just because you don't like him. It was not him who shut everything down.
No did not vote for him and do not like him but stop blaming him for what others should be blamed for.
It's like saying I don't like craftsman because the engines suck but then buy a JD with the same engine.
Really should know ALL. The FACTS. Before running the mouth
I agree with everything you said Carscw and that's the problem, nobody knows the facts.
#58
Ric
What is this crap with a letter? Why would you get a letter? I've been with Blue cross Blue Shield for years.
Ric
My wife and I are paying $586 a month for Blue Cross. Many people in our area have been paying about the same. We have not gotten a letter yet. It numerous others have and their insurance doubled. My brother in law had theirs go up 104%. There is absolutely no way that I can afford mine if it goes up that much. In fact I am maxed out at $586 a month.
What is this crap with a letter? Why would you get a letter? I've been with Blue cross Blue Shield for years.
#59
jekjr
We have too as well as the other people I mentioned. Everybody's BC insurance is supposed to go up dramatically from what we are hearing. I personally know several that have gotten a letter in the last two weeks saying so. Least I have heard was 60%. Several more over 100% increase. All are saying deductibles went up and coverage went down from what I am understanding as well.
jekjr
What is this crap with a letter? Why would you get a letter? I've been with Blue cross Blue Shield for years.
We have too as well as the other people I mentioned. Everybody's BC insurance is supposed to go up dramatically from what we are hearing. I personally know several that have gotten a letter in the last two weeks saying so. Least I have heard was 60%. Several more over 100% increase. All are saying deductibles went up and coverage went down from what I am understanding as well.
#60
jekjr
At this time no. Some of the people I do know have tried but had no success.
I can find nobody anywhere that has unless there is a post here I overlooked.
jekjr
Have you even got a quote for the Affordable Health Care.???
At this time no. Some of the people I do know have tried but had no success.
I can find nobody anywhere that has unless there is a post here I overlooked.
#61
jekjr
That is the problem the people who put it in place and voted it in that are in Washington DC did not read it.
jekjr
I agree with everything you said Carscw and that's the problem, nobody knows the facts.
That is the problem the people who put it in place and voted it in that are in Washington DC did not read it.
#62
exotion
Well I hate these menu option places so my wife is going to call the rest of the places later I only need me and my wife because Washington state offers health care to kids untill they are 18 unless you make over 60k a year in the household the best to we have never paid a dime for our kids to go to any doctor.
Got one quote from a local place 300 a month after subsidys with a 200 a month tax credit at tax return time so I would get 2/3 of my money back.
And I'm frustrated because I don't want healthcare I go to the doctor once a year ... Maybe I do not take medication even if its prescribed except maybe antibiotics if something serious happens. I have never taken anything stronger than I b profin. I do not want healthcare because.for me personally it is just another pointless bill... Someone else making a profit off of my hard work that's all and if it does not go away like I hope I will be a good law abiding citizen because I would rather stay in America over moving to Canada
exotion
What is this crap with a letter? Why would you get a letter? I've been with Blue cross Blue Shield for years.
Well I hate these menu option places so my wife is going to call the rest of the places later I only need me and my wife because Washington state offers health care to kids untill they are 18 unless you make over 60k a year in the household the best to we have never paid a dime for our kids to go to any doctor.
Got one quote from a local place 300 a month after subsidys with a 200 a month tax credit at tax return time so I would get 2/3 of my money back.
And I'm frustrated because I don't want healthcare I go to the doctor once a year ... Maybe I do not take medication even if its prescribed except maybe antibiotics if something serious happens. I have never taken anything stronger than I b profin. I do not want healthcare because.for me personally it is just another pointless bill... Someone else making a profit off of my hard work that's all and if it does not go away like I hope I will be a good law abiding citizen because I would rather stay in America over moving to Canada
#63
jekjr
That is what I said. Other things.
I don't know about where y'all live but the economy here revolves around welfare disability checks and food stamps. There are a lot more here who draw government assistance than don't.
jekjr
We are now trillions of dollars in debt as a nation because of all the wars were involved in doesn't have anything to do much with MediCare and Medicaid. I think you'll find most people will end up saving over half the price on there health care that they were paying. When you stop and think about it and the price of health care what it is, and now it will be based on your income it means lower income people who couldn't afford insurance will be getting insurance for almost nothing. If givin a chance you'll find the Affordable Health Care" will work and be beneficial to most people.
That is what I said. Other things.
I don't know about where y'all live but the economy here revolves around welfare disability checks and food stamps. There are a lot more here who draw government assistance than don't.
#64
Ric
The thing is your 586$ insurance payment is directly from the Insurance company and before the government subsidy's, if you apply through Affordable health care there subsidy's will cut that payment and you'll be paying a lot less than you are now. Exotion said the same thing when he got his quote, he was quoted from the insurance company 400$ a month and was all upset about the price after he went back and talked to the Insurance company and asked about the subsidy's his quote dropped to 225$ a month for him and his wife look at some his postings in thread. The thing is if you don't ask for the subsidy the Insurance company isn't going to offer it, there not stupid.
Ric
What is this crap with a letter? Why would you get a letter? I've been with Blue cross Blue Shield for years.
We have too as well as the other people I mentioned. Everybody's BC insurance is supposed to go up dramatically from what we are hearing. I personally know several that have gotten a letter in the last two weeks saying so. Least I have heard was 60%. Several more over 100% increase. All are saying deductibles went up and coverage went down from what I am understanding as well.
The thing is your 586$ insurance payment is directly from the Insurance company and before the government subsidy's, if you apply through Affordable health care there subsidy's will cut that payment and you'll be paying a lot less than you are now. Exotion said the same thing when he got his quote, he was quoted from the insurance company 400$ a month and was all upset about the price after he went back and talked to the Insurance company and asked about the subsidy's his quote dropped to 225$ a month for him and his wife look at some his postings in thread. The thing is if you don't ask for the subsidy the Insurance company isn't going to offer it, there not stupid.
#65
L
LoCo86
L
LoCo86
I'm just wondering where the days went when a man had to stand on his own two feet. If he wanted a steady income, insurance and benefits he went and got a job that had those things. Whether that meant working day and night to provide for his family or having a good enough job to where he can just work 40 hours a week. It's becoming a plague that people are relying on the government for their livelihood and don't even own a pair of work boots. I understand that some people on disability really need it. And I don't mind my tax dollars going toward someone who is paralyzed or maybe mentally retarded. But if you're overweight or have social anxiety I say get over it. That's just a excuse not to work. So just like every other government assistance program out there this one is going to hurt us more than help us. I see why some people don't even look for a job. Why would they? There're getting babied by the government why grow up and be a real man and take care of your wife and kids on your own. Anyway I have about 100 thoughts going through my mind about government programs and none of them good.
#66
PVHIII
I totally agree
PVHIII
I'm just wondering where the days went when a man had to stand on his own two feet. If he wanted a steady income, insurance and benefits he went and got a job that had those things. Whether that meant working day and night to provide for his family or having a good enough job to where he can just work 40 uhours a week. It's becoming a plague that people are relying on the government for their livelihood and don't even own a pair of work boots. I understand that some people on disability really need it. And I don't mind my tax dollars going toward someone who is paralyzed or maybe mentally retarded. But if you're overweight or have social anxiety I say get over it. That's just a excuse not to work. So just like every other government assistance program out there this one is going to hurt us more than help us. I see why some people don't even look for a job. Why would they? There're getting babied by the government why grow up and be a real man and take care of your wife and kids on your own. Anyway I have about 100 thoughts going through my mind about government programs and none of them good.
I totally agree
#67
Ric
Those days went away a long time ago. I don't think it's possible for a man to work a forty hour week and support his family anymore because a guy doesn't have that opportunity anymore at least not with a living wage. Day was you could go buy a new truck for maybe 10K back when but not any more. The Ford F-150 XLT with a 5.0 is costing 45K by the time there through with the add on and taxes and it's the same with everything.The thing is if you think we have it bad, just think about your kids your grand kids, they don't stand a chance.
Ric
I'm just wondering where the days went when a man had to stand on his own two feet. If he wanted a steady income, insurance and benefits he went and got a job that had those things. Whether that meant working day and night to provide for his family or having a good enough job to where he can just work 40 hours a week. It's becoming a plague that people are relying on the government for their livelihood and don't even own a pair of work boots. I understand that some people on disability really need it. And I don't mind my tax dollars going toward someone who is paralyzed or maybe mentally retarded. But if you're overweight or have social anxiety I say get over it. That's just a excuse not to work. So just like every other government assistance program out there this one is going to hurt us more than help us. I see why some people don't even look for a job. Why would they? There're getting babied by the government why grow up and be a real man and take care of your wife and kids on your own. Anyway I have about 100 thoughts going through my mind about government programs and none of them good.
Those days went away a long time ago. I don't think it's possible for a man to work a forty hour week and support his family anymore because a guy doesn't have that opportunity anymore at least not with a living wage. Day was you could go buy a new truck for maybe 10K back when but not any more. The Ford F-150 XLT with a 5.0 is costing 45K by the time there through with the add on and taxes and it's the same with everything.The thing is if you think we have it bad, just think about your kids your grand kids, they don't stand a chance.
#68
jekjr
Those days are gone because there are too few that WILL work. If a company came to our area Monday and said they needed 200 workers I don't know where they would get them regardless of how good they paid.
jekjr
Those days went away a long time ago. I don't think it's possible for a man to work a forty hour week and support his family anymore because a guy doesn't have that opportunity anymore at least not with a living wage. Day was you could go buy a new truck for maybe 10K back when but not any more. The Ford F-150 XLT with a 5.0 is costing 45K by the time there through with the add on and taxes and it's the same with everything.The thing is if you think we have it bad, just think about your kids your grand kids, they don't stand a chance.
Those days are gone because there are too few that WILL work. If a company came to our area Monday and said they needed 200 workers I don't know where they would get them regardless of how good they paid.
#69
exotion
exotion
You guys should live in spokane nun wage is almost 10 an hr lol mcdonalds workers can .live well if they knew how and I agree that a lot of people abuse the system but its there for people who needs it. What about those guy who have a decent paying job and suddenly get laid off now there is no income for his family he puts out 100 applications a day but no one wants to give him what he was making before
#70
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LoCo86
The guy who has too much pride to take a lower paying job because is a fool to me. Nothing is permanent. I work two jobs because I never know how one of my jobs is going to go. Never been laid off but I've always had something to help soften the blow if I were to get furloughed.
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LoCo86
You guys should live in spokane nun wage is almost 10 an hr lol mcdonalds workers can .live well if they knew how and I agree that a lot of people abuse the system but its there for people who needs it. What about those guy who have a decent paying job and suddenly get laid off now there is no income for his family he puts out 100 applications a day but no one wants to give him what he was making before
The guy who has too much pride to take a lower paying job because is a fool to me. Nothing is permanent. I work two jobs because I never know how one of my jobs is going to go. Never been laid off but I've always had something to help soften the blow if I were to get furloughed.
#71
djdicetn
Ric,
I hear that!!! My first job in 1970 paid $2/Hour(yeah, $80/week). I paid rent, car payment, insurance, food and utilities and did very well for an 18-yr-old starting out. Today....$80/week, I'd be living under a bridge in downtown Nashville(and struggling to eat with that...even at McDonalds)!!! I bought a brand new Chevy Silverado Z-71 Extended cab in 1995 for $20K and like you said....that same truck today will cost you twice that much or better. I've always considered my career choice(Mainframe Computer Programmer/Analyst) as a pretty decent paying job. But believe me, since 1981 when my son was born(and we got custody of my daughter from a previous marriage).....if my wife had not worked for the last 30 years we would NOT have been able to afford a home or to be able to feed and clothe 2(yes, just two) children. My mom & dad(in the 50's-60's) raised 5 children and my mother NEVER had to work. You are sooooooo right that those days went away a LONNNNNNG time ago!!!!
djdicetn
Those days went away a long time ago. I don't think it's possible for a man to work a forty hour week and support his family anymore because a guy doesn't have that opportunity anymore at least not with a living wage. Day was you could go buy a new truck for maybe 10K back when but not any more. The Ford F-150 XLT with a 5.0 is costing 45K by the time there through with the add on and taxes and it's the same with everything.The thing is if you think we have it bad, just think about your kids your grand kids, they don't stand a chance.
Ric,
I hear that!!! My first job in 1970 paid $2/Hour(yeah, $80/week). I paid rent, car payment, insurance, food and utilities and did very well for an 18-yr-old starting out. Today....$80/week, I'd be living under a bridge in downtown Nashville(and struggling to eat with that...even at McDonalds)!!! I bought a brand new Chevy Silverado Z-71 Extended cab in 1995 for $20K and like you said....that same truck today will cost you twice that much or better. I've always considered my career choice(Mainframe Computer Programmer/Analyst) as a pretty decent paying job. But believe me, since 1981 when my son was born(and we got custody of my daughter from a previous marriage).....if my wife had not worked for the last 30 years we would NOT have been able to afford a home or to be able to feed and clothe 2(yes, just two) children. My mom & dad(in the 50's-60's) raised 5 children and my mother NEVER had to work. You are sooooooo right that those days went away a LONNNNNNG time ago!!!!
#72
jekjr
jekjr
We got the letter. Our Blue Cross is going up a little over $200 Jan 1. Thank you mr Osama.
#73
Ric
The thing about your insurance going up is you have to remember that your premium is based on size of family and your income, so depending on how much money you make the subsidy's you can get through the government could make your insurance cheaper than it was before. There are a lot of policy's being canceled or premiums going up because they no longer meet the ACA standards. That's the reasons for the letters, there telling you there bringing your policy up to ACA standards so your getting an increase, it's up to you to find out if you qualify for government subsidy's or not.
Ric
We got the letter. Our Blue Cross is going up a little over $200 Jan 1. Thank you mr Osama.
The thing about your insurance going up is you have to remember that your premium is based on size of family and your income, so depending on how much money you make the subsidy's you can get through the government could make your insurance cheaper than it was before. There are a lot of policy's being canceled or premiums going up because they no longer meet the ACA standards. That's the reasons for the letters, there telling you there bringing your policy up to ACA standards so your getting an increase, it's up to you to find out if you qualify for government subsidy's or not.
#74
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Mad Mackie
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Mad Mackie
There are some very major differences between so called social healthcare systems. The design, implementation, intent, political power, influence and government control placed into the Affordable Care Act here in the USA have positioned actual health care and the quality thereof in the lowest possible rung of this ladder!!!! And it is just getting started!!!!
Mad Mackie in CT
Mad Mackie in CT
#75
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Mad Mackie
Some of us are independent business people and would prefer to keep it that way. Success or failure is totally in our control and we quickly learn from our mistakes, usually!!!!!:laughing:
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Mad Mackie
Maybe we should have an Affordable Lawn-Care Act, maybe we could get the Government to subsidize are pay rates :laughing:
Some of us are independent business people and would prefer to keep it that way. Success or failure is totally in our control and we quickly learn from our mistakes, usually!!!!!:laughing:
#76
R
Raw Dodge
Absolutely ! I want no more government intervention than we already have.anything the govt would give us would come with terms and conditions that basically give them more oversight,control and power,
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Raw Dodge
Some of us are independent business people and would prefer to keep it that way. Success or failure is totally in our control and we quickly learn from our mistakes, usually!!!!!:laughing:
Absolutely ! I want no more government intervention than we already have.anything the govt would give us would come with terms and conditions that basically give them more oversight,control and power,
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#77
lawn mower fanatic
These posts were moved from the http://www.lawnmowerforum.com/front-porch/21023-affordable-lawncare-act.html thread to this thread. :smile:
lawn mower fanatic
There are some very major differences between so called social healthcare systems. The design, implementation, intent, political power, influence and government control placed into the Affordable Care Act here in the USA have positioned actual health care and the quality thereof in the lowest possible rung of this ladder!!!! And it is just getting started!!!!
Mad Mackie in CT
Some of us are independent business people and would prefer to keep it that way. Success or failure is totally in our control and we quickly learn from our mistakes, usually!!!!!:laughing:
Absolutely ! I want no more government intervention than we already have.anything the govt would give us would come with terms and conditions that basically give them more oversight,control and power,
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These posts were moved from the http://www.lawnmowerforum.com/front-porch/21023-affordable-lawncare-act.html thread to this thread. :smile: