5hp tecumseh horizontal. on John deere snow blower 826 model

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I've had two of those engines with the same problem in the past month. This is what I did to them. First I removed the carb and gave it a good cleaning. Rebuilt the carb with a new needle and seat, Tecumseh #631021B. Installed the carb and on one unit this solved the problem. On the other unit, it would run, but had a noticeable miss. On that unit I found that the coil air gap was too large, over .015, and I reset the gap at .008 to advance the spark slightly. Here's my carb rebuilding procedure, as I have not had success just spraying with carb cleaner and compressed air.


Needle and seat replacement

Remove the carb, and then remove the float bowl. Check the float bowl jet (which is the bowl screw) and make sure the jets both horizontal and vertical are clean and open. Tip the carb upside down and remove the float pin and float with needle attached. Look in the float needle passage and you should see the red float seat at the bottom of the passage. This is where a #5 crotchet hook would come in handy as you need to remove this seat. If you have no hook, but compressed air, you can blow through the fuel inlet and try to pop the seat out. Put your thumb over the passage to prevent the seat from flying who knows where. No air or hook try bending a stiff paper clip to dig the seat out.

I would either give the carb a good 24 hour soaking or have it ultrasonically cleaned at this time.

With the seat out clean the passage way with carb cleaner. Now you must find a drill bit slightly smaller than the passage way, to be used to press in the new seat. Apply a very, very small amount of a very light lube to the new seat. 3-1 oil or lighter, to help seat it better. Carefully insert the new seat in the passage way with the rings on the seat down toward the carb body. Slowly and carefully force the seat down with the back end of the drill bit. Once it is seated, check to see that it did not flip and the rings are up. *Next check to make sure that the float does not have any liquid in it. *If it does, replace. *If everything looks correct, attach the new needle to the float and install with the float pin centered. It everything is correct, the float should seat level to the carb body, when looking at it upside down. If everything looks good reattach the float bowl, making sure that both the bowl gasket and the nut gasket seal properly. Reinstall on the engine and test unit. Remember to have patience and take your time. Good luck, but I don't think you'll need it.

PS: *On the side of some Tecumseh carbs you will find a plastic cover. *Under this cover will be an idle jet. *Remove it and check to see that the jet is open both horizontally and vertically. *You should be able to push the old float needle wire through the vertical opening.
 

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I've had two of those engines with the same problem in the past month. This is what I did to them. First I removed the carb and gave it a good cleaning. Rebuilt the carb with a new needle and seat, Tecumseh #631021B. Installed the carb and on one unit this solved the problem. On the other unit, it would run, but had a noticeable miss. On that unit I found that the coil air gap was too large, over .015, and I reset the gap at .008 to advance the spark slightly. Here's my carb rebuilding procedure, as I have not had success just spraying with carb cleaner and compressed air.


Needle and seat replacement

Remove the carb, and then remove the float bowl. Check the float bowl jet (which is the bowl screw) and make sure the jets both horizontal and vertical are clean and open. Tip the carb upside down and remove the float pin and float with needle attached. Look in the float needle passage and you should see the red float seat at the bottom of the passage. This is where a #5 crotchet hook would come in handy as you need to remove this seat. If you have no hook, but compressed air, you can blow through the fuel inlet and try to pop the seat out. Put your thumb over the passage to prevent the seat from flying who knows where. No air or hook try bending a stiff paper clip to dig the seat out.

I would either give the carb a good 24 hour soaking or have it ultrasonically cleaned at this time.

With the seat out clean the passage way with carb cleaner. Now you must find a drill bit slightly smaller than the passage way, to be used to press in the new seat. Apply a very, very small amount of a very light lube to the new seat. 3-1 oil or lighter, to help seat it better. Carefully insert the new seat in the passage way with the rings on the seat down toward the carb body. Slowly and carefully force the seat down with the back end of the drill bit. Once it is seated, check to see that it did not flip and the rings are up. *Next check to make sure that the float does not have any liquid in it. *If it does, replace. *If everything looks correct, attach the new needle to the float and install with the float pin centered. It everything is correct, the float should seat level to the carb body, when looking at it upside down. If everything looks good reattach the float bowl, making sure that both the bowl gasket and the nut gasket seal properly. Reinstall on the engine and test unit. Remember to have patience and take your time. Good luck, but I don't think you'll need it.

PS: *On the side of some Tecumseh carbs you will find a plastic cover. *Under this cover will be an idle jet. *Remove it and check to see that the jet is open both horizontally and vertically. *You should be able to push the old float needle wire through the vertical opening.

I have brass gauges and I measured the air gap on my HS40. It's more than .010. Thanks for the spec of 008. But how the heck do you change it? The adjustments are bottomed out on the assembly just to get the timing. What I don't understand is how the gap would change if it's never been disturbed.
 

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Polaraco, you are confusing the problem here. This poster has an HM80 and you have a HS40. Two totally different engines and magneto systems. If I looked up the correct engine for each of you, your coil is located under the flywheel and his is above the flywheel. The specs I gave this poster will not work for you.
 

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Polaraco, you are confusing the problem here. This poster has an HM80 and you have a HS40. Two totally different engines and magneto systems. If I looked up the correct engine for each of you, your coil is located under the flywheel and his is above the flywheel. The specs I gave this poster will not work for you.

Where do I press the "I am an idiot" button? :laughing:

My apologies. I saw that and it rang a bell
 

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I understand the card cleaning procedure. However as I said in my post.. The carB is brand new as of last season and the engine has never started on it. The engine will not start with starting fluid either. I'm not saying you are right or wrong. But if it does not start with starting fluid, I do not believe it is a fuel issue]
 

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Come on, you are a mechanic.
It got fuel ( starter fluid )
It got spark.
It got compression

Only 1 thing left- Timing
Should be a zinc alloy shear key in the flywheel,
Chances are it has broken so the timing is out of sync.

Please note they are shear keys and designed to break if the engine suddenly gets overloaded .
Do not even thing of replaceing them with a length of steel .

A lot are funny shapes including havine steps in them so you willneed to pull the fly wheel to inspect them properly.
Be carefull if you use a jaw puller as the flywheels do bend a lot easier than you would think
 

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In my original description I said I have already removed the flywheel and checked the keyway. It looks good. You are correct.. I am a mechanic. It does have spark, fuel, and compression. possibly the timing is not adjusted correctly like the other gentleman said a few posts back. I'm stuck
 

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okay, thank you very much. I will check it out and see what happens
 

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In my original description I said I have already removed the flywheel and checked the keyway. It looks good. You are correct.. I am a mechanic. It does have spark, fuel, and compression. possibly the timing is not adjusted correctly like the other gentleman said a few posts back. I'm stuck

Sorry, I missed the flywheel bit.
So long as there is only way it will fit that only leaves valve timing.

However if you have not pulled the cam and the valves are out of sync that means there is big problems inside this motor
 
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