What is the general reliability of "belt slip" self propelled mowers?

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  • / What is the general reliability of "belt slip" self propelled mowers?
Whereas the belt on the true hydro HYA model may last 10x as long since it doesn't slip right? Just seems silly (and cheap) to design a mower where the manufacturer says "the variable speed comes from slipping the belt" is an acceptable idea for a homeowner who doesn't want to pour money into a mower every few years to change a belt because of lousy design.

You think changing a belt on a mower every few years is a sign of poor design? I change the belts on my vehicles every few years as a precaution. Takes me all of 10 minutes tops. It isn't much trouble to change a belt on a mower either. And it's not expensive at all.
 

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For home use, belt CVT (as it's called on my Troy-bilt rider) is fine. I have had it since 2005 and have not changed the belt but it started wearing thin. I have also driven a hydrostatic one and it does give a smoother ride.
 

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You think changing a belt on a mower every few years is a sign of poor design? I change the belts on my vehicles every few years as a precaution. Takes me all of 10 minutes tops. It isn't much trouble to change a belt on a mower either. And it's not expensive at all.

How many miles do you go between belt changes on your vehicles? I could change mine at every oil change and call it a precaution but that would be just plain wasteful.

Anyway, when they use the design of slipping the belt so they can call it a "variable speed self propelled" so they can have another model in the lineup to sell at a "cheaper" price point but at the expense of a part that needs to be replaced every couple years from "normal" use, then yes, it is poor design (at least from a consumer point of view). It benefits the manufacturer by creating a consumable part and the dealers who then provide service to those who aren't mechanically inclined. I would change the belt myself but my time is also worth something to me so I would rather spend an extra $100 on a mower with a better designed drive system. Sorry, at $600 for a "premium" category mower, it shouldn't need anything other than fuel, oil changes, blade sharpening, and minor lubrication for at least the first 5 years of homeowner use.

My father still runs his 3 speed rear wheel drive Toro Recycler mower he bought in the early 1980's. Still runs well and still uses the original drive belt. The rear wheels even have half their tread still on them. Only had annual oil changes and blade sharpening. Still mowing the same 1/2 acre of grass it has always mowed. Point being that a superior design will last and shouldn't require "consumable" parts every couple years.
 

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  • / What is the general reliability of "belt slip" self propelled mowers?
I replace my truck's serpentine belt when it needs replacing i.e. when it looks like it's worn but I don't wait til it's at the point where it looks like it's about to go. I'm not seeing your point there.
IIRC you said the mower is for your home use. I haven't heard any evidence that the drive belt will wear out in 2 years when used as a personal mower. I've had a Toro PP mower which operates on the same method. I used that mower for my yard and several others. I owned that mower for several years. The belt was still fine when I sold the mower. A new Honda belt is $7 and takes about 30 minutes to replace but it probably would seem like a small PITA job. If it lasts as long as the Toro belt I would not have any hesitation in buy a Honda VKA. On the other hand $100 isn't that much difference if you want to avoid the possibility of having to spend $7 and 30 minutes of your time if the belt only lasts a short while. If it lasts 4 to 5 years then it becomes iffy. I have a neighbor who runs a small weekend lawn service company. He uses high end Stihl handheld tools but his mowers are VKAs. He seems to like them and he isn't very mechanically inclined. I had to install a new gear in one of his drive wheels last week. Took me about 10 minutes. I think you want the hydro so I think you should get it and I think you had pretty much made that decision before you posted ;)
A lawn mower is a machine. Things can go wrong even if you maintain it. It's just the way it is. Good luck!
How many miles do you go between belt changes on your vehicles? I could change mine at every oil change and call it a precaution but that would be just plain wasteful.

Anyway, when they use the design of slipping the belt so they can call it a "variable speed self propelled" so they can have another model in the lineup to sell at a "cheaper" price point but at the expense of a part that needs to be replaced every couple years from "normal" use, then yes, it is poor design (at least from a consumer point of view). It benefits the manufacturer by creating a consumable part and the dealers who then provide service to those who aren't mechanically inclined. I would change the belt myself but my time is also worth something to me so I would rather spend an extra $100 on a mower with a better designed drive system. Sorry, at $600 for a "premium" category mower, it shouldn't need anything other than fuel, oil changes, blade sharpening, and minor lubrication for at least the first 5 years of homeowner use.

My father still runs his 3 speed rear wheel drive Toro Recycler mower he bought in the early 1980's. Still runs well and still uses the original drive belt. The rear wheels even have half their tread still on them. Only had annual oil changes and blade sharpening. Still mowing the same 1/2 acre of grass it has always mowed. Point being that a superior design will last and shouldn't require "consumable" parts every couple years.
 

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  • / What is the general reliability of "belt slip" self propelled mowers?
I replace my truck's serpentine belt when it needs replacing i.e. when it looks like it's worn but I don't wait til it's at the point where it looks like it's about to go. I'm not seeing your point there.
IIRC you said the mower is for your home use. I haven't heard any evidence that the drive belt will wear out in 2 years when used as a personal mower. I've had a Toro PP mower which operates on the same method. I used that mower for my yard and several others. I owned that mower for several years. The belt was still fine when I sold the mower. A new Honda belt is $7 and takes about 30 minutes to replace but it probably would seem like a small PITA job. If it lasts as long as the Toro belt I would not have any hesitation in buy a Honda VKA. On the other hand $100 isn't that much difference if you want to avoid the possibility of having to spend $7 and 30 minutes of your time if the belt only lasts a short while. If it lasts 4 to 5 years then it becomes iffy. I have a neighbor who runs a small weekend lawn service company. He uses high end Stihl handheld tools but his mowers are VKAs. He seems to like them and he isn't very mechanically inclined. I had to install a new gear in one of his drive wheels last week. Took me about 10 minutes. I think you want the hydro so I think you should get it and I think you had pretty much made that decision before you posted ;)
A lawn mower is a machine. Things can go wrong even if you maintain it. It's just the way it is. Good luck!

Perfect I use the VKA i had to change the belt once (about 700 ish hours) and I abuse the machine. My old toro PP i never changed the belt had it two years I bought it used and put about 500 hours on it. My toro commercial still has stock belts they look fine to me. I think other parts will wear out before the belt on these types of mowers the drive gears and wheels are my PITA on the Honda VKA ugh but like I said I beat the hell out of them
 
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  • / What is the general reliability of "belt slip" self propelled mowers?
Perfect I use the VKA i had to change the belt once (about 700 ish hours) and I abuse the machine. My old toro PP i never changed the belt had it two years I bought it used and put about 500 hours on it. My toro commercial still has stock belts they look fine to me. I think other parts will wear out before the belt on these types of mowers the drive gears and wheels are my PITA on the Honda VKA ugh but like I said I beat the hell out of them

The wheels on the HRR mowers are definitely not as durable as the ones on the HRX. More plastic, less rubber on the HRR tires. And to clarify to the OP, exotion has the HRR216VKA, not the HRX217VKA, so that's not a problem for you.
 

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  • / What is the general reliability of "belt slip" self propelled mowers?
The wheels on the HRR mowers are definitely not as durable as the ones on the HRX. More plastic, less rubber on the HRR tires. And to clarify to the OP, exotion has the HRR216VKA, not the HRX217VKA, so that's not a problem for you.

Right sorry wasn't thinking that mind was focused on drive style. The hrx has better tires for sure. The smart drive vs hydro ill take smart drive any day so easy to use and to work on I would rather stand behind the smart drive for 8 hrs
 
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