Toro Timecutter 4250 - love it! Hate it! A modest proposal

packardv8

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FWIW, I've been mowing the same acre of ground for fifty years, so I know it pretty well.

The all-around best mower for the money was a Simplicity 30" 8hp tractor style. The little B&S ran for thirty years and was still running when I sold it.

Two Cub Cadet tractors, a 12hp and a 16hp Kohler, were beasts and I probably should have kept one of them. Problem was, tractors are slow, don't climb steep hills for shite. What I do miss is their ability to steer the front wheels and to cut right up to the fenceline on hillsides.

Anyway, for several years now, I've been using a Toro Timecutter 4250 ZT. It's faster, more maneuverable on flat ground; however on hillsides, it's a dangerous pig-on-ice. Way too many times, including just today, the Toro has gotten me stuck and tangled into fences where the tractors were never, ever a problem.

The Toro Owner's Manual goes into great detail about safety and emphasizes that the mower is only safe to use on flat ground.

However, while escaping the zombie apocalypse, I have mow my way up a way-too-steep hill. I discovered the Toro is a regular mountain goat, as long as it's going straight up or straight down. Try to traverse a side hill and the zombies will get you for certain.

Anyway, if the grass catchers are full of green grass, and/or the operator is 6' 2" 240, that's a lot of weight on the rear and the front end can get a little light at the top of the hill. I added a 2' section of 3" oil field pipe; about 50#, to the weight box above the front axle and that ties the front down solidly.

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It is like a zero turn. Not recommended for hills. But , if you do negotiate a hill you have to go straight up and down as you mentioned. You seem to be doing the best you can with it which seems acceptable enough.

I have a friend with a Snapper 28" riding mower with a 8HP Briggs. The thing is about 25 years old and he loves it. His lawn is pretty flat. If the engine dies he will re-power it. Some came with a bit larger HP engines.
 
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Weight is better distributed on a tractor style riding mower. With a ZTR all of the weight is on the rear.
 

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Weight is better distributed on a tractor style riding mower. With a ZTR all of the weight is on the rear.
Here we go again with zero turns and hills. Riding mowers are terrible on hills (very tippy). Zero turns, as a general rule, are great on hills.
 

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Neither are very good running parallel to the slope. That's why manufacturers put recommendations in their owners manual.
 

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To run parallel on a hill you need a 50 lb. wheel counterweight on one side (uphill side) as a minimum to maintain traction. Loop around and always keep the weight towards the rise of the hill.

I still use a 1980's Snapper RER with a 30-inch deck, and it is a monster on any terrain.
 
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