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#1
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Dscheoeder83
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Dscheoeder83
I'm looking at picking up a few yards to do this next season. Hoping to find sone rentals that the tenants don't want to deal with buying the equip and taking the time to mow the yards. Most likely I'd be able to just side discharge or mulch. On an average sized yard I'm thinking I could have it cut trimmed and sidewalks blown off within 30-45 mins. Is $15 a fair price for that? I'm just doing it on the side for "beer money"
#2
reynoldston
reynoldston
Seems like a lot of work just for a case of beer. How about a roof over your head, eating and buying a mower?
#3
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Dscheoeder83
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Dscheoeder83
It's just something to do on the side, and I enjoy working outside on weekends as a way to unwind from the workweek. Not specifically for the beer fund...just as an expression 
#4
lawn mower fanatic
lawn mower fanatic
I would say $15-$20.
#5
Ric
Personally I hate rental property's, I don't do them only as a last resort. People who rent for the most part don't care about there lawns and leave all kinds of junk all over the place and between picking up there yard and then mowing you end up spending to much time to make any money.
Ric
I'm looking at picking up a few yards to do this next season. Hoping to find sone rentals that the tenants don't want to deal with buying the equip and taking the time to mow the yards. Most likely I'd be able to just side discharge or mulch. On an average sized yard I'm thinking I could have it cut trimmed and sidewalks blown off within 30-45 mins. Is $15 a fair price for that? I'm just doing it on the side for "beer money"
Personally I hate rental property's, I don't do them only as a last resort. People who rent for the most part don't care about there lawns and leave all kinds of junk all over the place and between picking up there yard and then mowing you end up spending to much time to make any money.
#6
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Dscheoeder83
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Dscheoeder83
I understand where you're coming from, my parents owned rentals when i was in high school Just thought it might be the easiest way to "get my foot in the door"
#7
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LoCo86
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LoCo86
Ric is right. Stay away from rentals. Unless the owner cares less what it looks like as long as it's mowed. If that's the case mow it as fast as you can and let the tenets know that anything they leave in the yard probably will get run over. Thera not much money in rentals or duplexes. Just try for owners of residential properties.
#8
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LoCo86
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LoCo86
And as far as the $15 dollars per yard. I personally have a $40 minimum. $15 dollars isn't even worth dropping the trailer gate.
#9
Ric
That it may be, getting seen by other people can lead to more clients for sure and 15$ per yard depending on the size of the yard isn't all that bad. If you can do 3 per hour that's 45$ and hour and as you say it's just doing it on the side to make a little extra.
Ric
I understand where you're coming from, my parents owned rentals when i was in high school Just thought it might be the easiest way to "get my foot in the door"
That it may be, getting seen by other people can lead to more clients for sure and 15$ per yard depending on the size of the yard isn't all that bad. If you can do 3 per hour that's 45$ and hour and as you say it's just doing it on the side to make a little extra.
#10
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possum
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possum
No yards get mowed around here for less than $30. That's to mow it rough trim the worst of it . No sidewalks edged, no driveways slicked up, no blowing. No picking up trash or walnuts or leaves or whatever. Around here renters who have to keep up a lawn buy the cheapest MTD or HOP lawnmower they can fine and cut the lawn about 4 times per year. When they leave the sell the mower and go to the next place.
#11
Carscw
Carscw
I do not know of anyone that will even show up for less than $30
I don't care if it takes 15 mins I still would not drop under your per yard fee.
I don't care if it takes 15 mins I still would not drop under your per yard fee.
#12
Ric
I think pricing a lawn depends a lot on the area you are in. There are a lot of guys around here that are getting 15 and 20$ a cut on there lawns. Not every area will stand 30 and 40$ pricing, people aren't willing to pay that much in some locations.
Ric
I do not know of anyone that will even show up for less than $30
I don't care if it takes 15 mins I still would not drop under your per yard fee.
I think pricing a lawn depends a lot on the area you are in. There are a lot of guys around here that are getting 15 and 20$ a cut on there lawns. Not every area will stand 30 and 40$ pricing, people aren't willing to pay that much in some locations.
#13
PVHIII
Probably can vary from one side of town to the other would be my guess
PVHIII
I think pricing a lawn depends a lot on the area you are in. There are a lot of guys around here that are getting 15 and 20$ a cut on there lawns. Not every area will stand 30 and 40$ pricing, people aren't willing to pay that much in some locations.
Probably can vary from one side of town to the other would be my guess
#14
Ric
Yeah it really can vary. One side of town that has High class housing VS the other side with maybe $150.000 homes the pricing will be a lot different and it should. There's alot of things for me that can make a price lower or higher just depends on the situation.
Ric
Probably can vary from one side of town to the other would be my guess
Yeah it really can vary. One side of town that has High class housing VS the other side with maybe $150.000 homes the pricing will be a lot different and it should. There's alot of things for me that can make a price lower or higher just depends on the situation.
#15
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Dscheoeder83
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Dscheoeder83
Personally I'd rather do more of the "blue collar" areas. They generally seem more in tune with the understanding of a guy working hard and for the most part are down to earth people from hard working family's
#16
exotion
I think you will find that everywhere
exotion
Personally I'd rather do more of the "blue collar" areas. They generally seem more in tune with the understanding of a guy working hard and for the most part are down to earth people from hard working family's
I think you will find that everywhere
#17
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Dscheoeder83
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Dscheoeder83
True, grew up working construction and always seemed the higher priced the home was the harder the builder/new owners were to work with.
#18
Mid TN Lawn
Mid TN Lawn
I am only know our market and if you charge less than $35.00 your too cheap. I price small 5500-9000 ft yards at that and almost always add them as a customer. But be warned renters unlike homeowners move out in the middle of the night with out paying you. Make em leave you a check under door mat.I'm looking at picking up a few yards to do this next season. Hoping to find sone rentals that the tenants don't want to deal with buying the equip and taking the time to mow the yards. Most likely I'd be able to just side discharge or mulch. On an average sized yard I'm thinking I could have it cut trimmed and sidewalks blown off within 30-45 mins. Is $15 a fair price for that? I'm just doing it on the side for "beer money"
#19
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Dscheoeder83
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Dscheoeder83
Did some "research" when I trimmed a hedge this weekend. It was basically just cleaning up a long square juniper fence. She had been paying a guy 25 to mow. No trimming/blowing. Average sized yard so I shot her a price of $20. Think I got my first customer for next year. Best part is that its 5 mins from my place. On yards that can be done in 30-45 mins in my area bring 15-25 per cut it seems.
This Is just something I'm doing on the side on weekend mornings since the other half works overnights and she doesn't get up for the day till mid-afternoon. Equip is my brothers that he didn't want to take with when he relocated for work. So don't have much overhead costs
This Is just something I'm doing on the side on weekend mornings since the other half works overnights and she doesn't get up for the day till mid-afternoon. Equip is my brothers that he didn't want to take with when he relocated for work. So don't have much overhead costs
#20
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greenscapes
Its not even worth it for $15 unless you are mowing your neighbors yard as a favor. :thumbdown:
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greenscapes
I'm looking at picking up a few yards to do this next season. Hoping to find sone rentals that the tenants don't want to deal with buying the equip and taking the time to mow the yards. Most likely I'd be able to just side discharge or mulch. On an average sized yard I'm thinking I could have it cut trimmed and sidewalks blown off within 30-45 mins. Is $15 a fair price for that? I'm just doing it on the side for "beer money"
Its not even worth it for $15 unless you are mowing your neighbors yard as a favor. :thumbdown:
#21
Ric
Ric
After reading some of the pricing comments I visited Craigslist and there is at least 2 dozen adds for lawn care company's or new businesses with starting prices at or for 15$ a cut. I'll bet this market gets hammered this year with lowballers :smile:
#22
Carscw
Been like this for a couple years now here.
They spend more on road side signs then they make.
Carscw
After reading some of the pricing comments I visited Craigslist and there is at least 2 dozen adds for lawn care company's or new businesses with starting prices at or for 15$ a cut. I'll bet this market gets hammered this year with lowballers :smile:
Been like this for a couple years now here.
They spend more on road side signs then they make.
#23
BHLC
BHLC
Are you insured?
#24
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tybilly
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tybilly
I started with 1 double lot yard at 30,trim mow edge blow,every 2weeks,that to me sucks. don't under price yourself,and if its side work make sure they understand that its on YOUR time off from your other job, or youll lose customers.
#25
wjjones
And I will bet your right Ric there are so many people out of work they are trying to make ends meet anyway they can. I dont blame them for that but it will make it hard to compete for anyone who does this for their main income for the year.
wjjones
After reading some of the pricing comments I visited Craigslist and there is at least 2 dozen adds for lawn care company's or new businesses with starting prices at or for 15$ a cut. I'll bet this market gets hammered this year with lowballers :smile:
And I will bet your right Ric there are so many people out of work they are trying to make ends meet anyway they can. I dont blame them for that but it will make it hard to compete for anyone who does this for their main income for the year.
#26
OUTDOOR CONCEPTS
OUTDOOR CONCEPTS
Time gas wear and tear....sounds like a $40 minumum to me. Remember if something breaks you have to fix it quick and get your yards cut. People depend on you and you need to be paid for that.
#27
Ric
Yeah there are a lot of people looking to make ends meet and I think it's going to be worse this year. I think your right though, it's going to make it harder for anyone who actually does lawn-care for there main income. I know a lot of people don't believe that at 15$ a cut these guys can be making money, but when you consider what they have for equipment they have absolutely no overhead to speak of and when you can mow 4 or 5 lawns on a gallon of gas they look at the rest as profit.
Ric
And I will bet your right Ric there are so many people out of work they are trying to make ends meet anyway they can. I don't blame them for that but it will make it hard to compete for anyone who does this for their main income for the year.
Yeah there are a lot of people looking to make ends meet and I think it's going to be worse this year. I think your right though, it's going to make it harder for anyone who actually does lawn-care for there main income. I know a lot of people don't believe that at 15$ a cut these guys can be making money, but when you consider what they have for equipment they have absolutely no overhead to speak of and when you can mow 4 or 5 lawns on a gallon of gas they look at the rest as profit.
#28
Lawnboy18
Lawnboy18
This pricing thing is gonna make me go wild! Just price what you have to price! If you only have a Craftsman mower and a cheap gas trimmer you don't need to charge as much then the guy with two 60" ZTR, huge trailer, STIHL equipment, a few employees and the list goes on. Some charge 20$ and do profits, some charge 35$ and barely make profits and again, the list goes on. You can even charge a little less if you have many different yards in the same area. More yards = less driving time = more productivity = more $$$$. Please charge what you need! Sit down and calculate it! I have done it and so can you!
#29
Carscw
Carscw
You really only need to worry about the low ball mow and go guys if you your self are just starting out or wanting to pick up a lot more yard.
If you lose you customers to these guys then that your own fault.
I may be wrong but I thing most people still want Quality over a lower price
If you lose you customers to these guys then that your own fault.
I may be wrong but I thing most people still want Quality over a lower price
#30
Ric
I would have agreed with you a few years back but with money being as tight as it is for most people I don't think quality becomes as big an issue as price anymore.
Ric
You really only need to worry about the low ball mow and go guys if you your self are just starting out or wanting to pick up a lot more yard.
If you lose you customers to these guys then that your own fault.
I may be wrong but I thing most people still want Quality over a lower price
I would have agreed with you a few years back but with money being as tight as it is for most people I don't think quality becomes as big an issue as price anymore.
#31
exotion
exotion
Ya. I saw last year people want that little extra something for the same amount of money. You get there to now and they ask for one small thing every week. It adds up, when you tell them you can't do that they find someone else. Because they can always find someone to do more work for less.
As far as pricing you need to charge what people are willing to pay in your Target area. You can't charge more because of the people willing to so less. You also cannot charge not enough that your prostituting your self out for nickels .... Remember gas for trucks and equipment. Office supply, shop and equipment, insurance for your truck everything adds up. I thought last year I had no overhead and I found out that about 30% of my gross was over head 15% gross was taxes that's nearly half of what I made. This year I am forced to charge sales tax and I've already gotten some unhappy people one I particular " it was 25 its was 25 from the guy before you. Now you want to charge 25 plus tax? I don't understand" I explain very nicely excatly the situation and sell it to him best I could but the fact of the manner is he can find someone to do it for 25 so why would he keep me? It's been an interesting learning experience for pricing.
Snow removal was difficult to sell so I kept lowering my price untill I was able to start selling. 15 a house its not a lot of money and it does not add up fast at all you need 9 houses to make 100 bucks that sucks snow removal however takes less than 10 mins a house so it adds up faster than mowing which takes 20-30 mins a house.
Your pricing can depend entirely on you. What overhead you have, what experience you have, what equipment you have, the quality of work you do, and the most important is your customer base how much will they pay for you vs how much your willing to work for.
As far as pricing you need to charge what people are willing to pay in your Target area. You can't charge more because of the people willing to so less. You also cannot charge not enough that your prostituting your self out for nickels .... Remember gas for trucks and equipment. Office supply, shop and equipment, insurance for your truck everything adds up. I thought last year I had no overhead and I found out that about 30% of my gross was over head 15% gross was taxes that's nearly half of what I made. This year I am forced to charge sales tax and I've already gotten some unhappy people one I particular " it was 25 its was 25 from the guy before you. Now you want to charge 25 plus tax? I don't understand" I explain very nicely excatly the situation and sell it to him best I could but the fact of the manner is he can find someone to do it for 25 so why would he keep me? It's been an interesting learning experience for pricing.
Snow removal was difficult to sell so I kept lowering my price untill I was able to start selling. 15 a house its not a lot of money and it does not add up fast at all you need 9 houses to make 100 bucks that sucks snow removal however takes less than 10 mins a house so it adds up faster than mowing which takes 20-30 mins a house.
Your pricing can depend entirely on you. What overhead you have, what experience you have, what equipment you have, the quality of work you do, and the most important is your customer base how much will they pay for you vs how much your willing to work for.
#32
BHLC
Seems last summer we we're having a similar discussion with you on this subject...
BHLC
Ya. I saw last year people want that little extra something for the same amount of money. You get there to now and they ask for one small thing every week. It adds up, when you tell them you can't do that they find someone else. Because they can always find someone to do more work for less. As far as pricing you need to charge what people are willing to pay in your Target area. You can't charge more because of the people willing to so less. You also cannot charge not enough that your prostituting your self out for nickels .... Remember gas for trucks and equipment. Office supply, shop and equipment, insurance for your truck everything adds up. I thought last year I had no overhead and I found out that about 30% of my gross was over head 15% gross was taxes that's nearly half of what I made. This year I am forced to charge sales tax and I've already gotten some unhappy people one I particular " it was 25 its was 25 from the guy before you. Now you want to charge 25 plus tax? I don't understand" I explain very nicely excatly the situation and sell it to him best I could but the fact of the manner is he can find someone to do it for 25 so why would he keep me? It's been an interesting learning experience for pricing. Snow removal was difficult to sell so I kept lowering my price untill I was able to start selling. 15 a house its not a lot of money and it does not add up fast at all you need 9 houses to make 100 bucks that sucks snow removal however takes less than 10 mins a house so it adds up faster than mowing which takes 20-30 mins a house. Your pricing can depend entirely on you. What overhead you have, what experience you have, what equipment you have, the quality of work you do, and the most important is your customer base how much will they pay for you vs how much your willing to work for.
Seems last summer we we're having a similar discussion with you on this subject...
#33
Lawnboy18
Very true! Even tho I am Canadian, I go to Fl sometimes and I've seen the recession hit. But now, people are getting less scared with spending money. The economy is getting better and people will be willing to pay for a good job and a good service.
Lawnboy18
I would have agreed with you a few years back but with money being as tight as it is for most people I don't think quality becomes as big an issue as price anymore.
Very true! Even tho I am Canadian, I go to Fl sometimes and I've seen the recession hit. But now, people are getting less scared with spending money. The economy is getting better and people will be willing to pay for a good job and a good service.
#34
BHLC
The economy is getting better? Where? Is this place where it's getting better a fantasy land? Do tell...
BHLC
Very true! Even tho I am Canadian, I go to Fl sometimes and I've seen the recession hit. But now, people are getting less scared with spending money. The economy is getting better and people will be willing to pay for a good job and a good service.
The economy is getting better? Where? Is this place where it's getting better a fantasy land? Do tell...
#35
exotion
Yes I know. I was definately unable to see the big picture untill the year end reports. I truly believed I had basically no overhead but its all the behind the scenes stuff that costs.
exotion
Seems last summer we we're having a similar discussion with you on this subject...
Yes I know. I was definately unable to see the big picture untill the year end reports. I truly believed I had basically no overhead but its all the behind the scenes stuff that costs.
#36
BHLC
Glad you see it now. Seems like you've got the drive, now just need to make a profit.
BHLC
Yes I know. I was definately unable to see the big picture untill the year end reports. I truly believed I had basically no overhead but its all the behind the scenes stuff that costs.
Glad you see it now. Seems like you've got the drive, now just need to make a profit.
#37
Ric
You always have overhead and it's always more than what you think. The larger the business, the more overhead you'll have. All that behind the scenes stuff adds up and good book keeper would and could keep track throughout the year and be able to tell you where your at anytime in the year.
Ric
Yes I know. I was definitely unable to see the big picture until the year end reports. I truly believed I had basically no overhead but its all the behind the scenes stuff that costs.
You always have overhead and it's always more than what you think. The larger the business, the more overhead you'll have. All that behind the scenes stuff adds up and good book keeper would and could keep track throughout the year and be able to tell you where your at anytime in the year.
#38
Lawnboy18
I have a few classes in business and administration. I guess it depends in which part of the U.S you are in, but it's simple. You guys got it real bad in 2007, but people are building confidence again. Companies are starting to hire a little more, but they are still a little fearful and watching all there moves. It is a matter of time before the economy is going to get better. People have to build confidence after what they have been thru and that can take time.
Lawnboy18
The economy is getting better? Where? Is this place where it's getting better a fantasy land? Do tell...
I have a few classes in business and administration. I guess it depends in which part of the U.S you are in, but it's simple. You guys got it real bad in 2007, but people are building confidence again. Companies are starting to hire a little more, but they are still a little fearful and watching all there moves. It is a matter of time before the economy is going to get better. People have to build confidence after what they have been thru and that can take time.
#39
Lawnboy18
Lawnboy18
Also, Canada and the U.S.A are together when it comes to business. When the U.S.A had big problems, they closed all exportations to us. They wanted no more from us to try and start up there economy again. So, how they did that is by helping the strongest and biggest companies to get back on there feet. The Government lended money to GM as an example. Today, GM is getting better. That is one example. Also, exportations are starting again to the U.S.
Don't forget, you want our water from are Great lakes and our oil from Alberta and the Great North (if ever that happens). Now, I am in no mood to fight here. I am just exaplaining what you wanted.
Don't forget, you want our water from are Great lakes and our oil from Alberta and the Great North (if ever that happens). Now, I am in no mood to fight here. I am just exaplaining what you wanted.
#40
Ric
I here where your coming from and it sounds good. Company's were starting to hire, people were building confidence again but now the big employers are cutting hours so they can get of paying Obama-care/ health insurance, which intern cuts a guys wages so where does that leave people and the economy.
Ric
I have a few classes in business and administration. I guess it depends in which part of the U.S you are in, but it's simple. You guys got it real bad in 2007, but people are building confidence again. Companies are starting to hire a little more, but they are still a little fearful and watching all there moves. It is a matter of time before the economy is going to get better. People have to build confidence after what they have been thru and that can take time.
I here where your coming from and it sounds good. Company's were starting to hire, people were building confidence again but now the big employers are cutting hours so they can get of paying Obama-care/ health insurance, which intern cuts a guys wages so where does that leave people and the economy.
#41
Lawnboy18
To be honest, I am not aware of all the Obama care story, so that could influence the economy also.
But, it seems to me it isn't all bad. Here in Canada, people all pay a fee for health insurance, so it kinda works like everyone pays for everyone. If someone needs an open heart surgery because they have a blocked artery, well they won't need to pay for this. Unfortunetly in the U.S. it can cost you a very big amount. Yes, there is health insurance that you buy, but they don't always cover everything and they are expensive. Wouldn't you people be more inlcine for a more favorable fee that everyone pays? It seems to me it makes sense and I still don't understand all the fuss about it. If I am wrong of how Obama care works, enlighten me please. We are all here to learn and I don't know everything.
Lawnboy18
I here where your coming from and it sounds good. Company's were starting to hire, people were building confidence again but now the big employers are cutting hours so they can get of paying Obama-care/ health insurance, which intern cuts a guys wages so where does that leave people and the economy.
To be honest, I am not aware of all the Obama care story, so that could influence the economy also.
But, it seems to me it isn't all bad. Here in Canada, people all pay a fee for health insurance, so it kinda works like everyone pays for everyone. If someone needs an open heart surgery because they have a blocked artery, well they won't need to pay for this. Unfortunetly in the U.S. it can cost you a very big amount. Yes, there is health insurance that you buy, but they don't always cover everything and they are expensive. Wouldn't you people be more inlcine for a more favorable fee that everyone pays? It seems to me it makes sense and I still don't understand all the fuss about it. If I am wrong of how Obama care works, enlighten me please. We are all here to learn and I don't know everything.
#42
exotion
Well I have been doing a lot of the bookeeping but my wife took over late last summer (been asking her to for months) and she knows all the little things that add up real fast that I didn't even think of. And tax write offs and such. So ill be sure to advise getting a good bookkeeper and be sure to keep a close eye on where the money is going
exotion
You always have overhead and it's always more than what you think. The larger the business, the more overhead you'll have. All that behind the scenes stuff adds up and good book keeper would and could keep track throughout the year and be able to tell you where your at anytime in the year.
Well I have been doing a lot of the bookeeping but my wife took over late last summer (been asking her to for months) and she knows all the little things that add up real fast that I didn't even think of. And tax write offs and such. So ill be sure to advise getting a good bookkeeper and be sure to keep a close eye on where the money is going
#43
L
LoCo86
Well that all sounds good, but for everyone to pay a flat health fee that would mean everyone would have to work. Unfortunately under 50% of this country supports the other percentage of the country. Americans are mostly just trying to find ways of living off the government and exploiting all of its assistance programs. And due to the lack of people receiving post high school degrees and working jobs that pay $10 and hour or less it makes sense to work the government cause you can make more doing that than actually working.
L
LoCo86
To be honest, I am not aware of all the Obama care story, so that could influence the economy also. But, it seems to me it isn't all bad. Here in Canada, people all pay a fee for health insurance, so it kinda works like everyone pays for everyone. If someone needs an open heart surgery because they have a blocked artery, well they won't need to pay for this. Unfortunetly in the U.S. it can cost you a very big amount. Yes, there is health insurance that you buy, but they don't always cover everything and they are expensive. Wouldn't you people be more inlcine for a more favorable fee that everyone pays? It seems to me it makes sense and I still don't understand all the fuss about it. If I am wrong of how Obama care works, enlighten me please. We are all here to learn and I don't know everything.
Well that all sounds good, but for everyone to pay a flat health fee that would mean everyone would have to work. Unfortunately under 50% of this country supports the other percentage of the country. Americans are mostly just trying to find ways of living off the government and exploiting all of its assistance programs. And due to the lack of people receiving post high school degrees and working jobs that pay $10 and hour or less it makes sense to work the government cause you can make more doing that than actually working.
#44
BHLC
BHLC
Wow! Msnbc has him trained!
#45
Lawnboy18
I feel like the scapegoat here. First of all, you're basing yourself on what to say that I am "trained by Msnbc?". Pure observation? Well, that isn't good. In fact, I never watch the news, because they mainly like to exagerate and hide the real facts. It is called agenda marketing. They target the news to send out to us and hide the real stuff.
Same problem here. Only 35% of the people here declare taxes. That means 35% pays for the masses! It is very unfair, but we deal with it, because there is corruption up here. It could be a very good system. If you look in certain parts of Europe, they have one of the best health systems based a little on ours. It can work if all pay there part equally and declare each year. A problem is that the middle class is dissapearing causing high disparity. A lot of poor or rich people and it is getting worse. People around here are on welfare and do sweet nothing. So, they just collect form the government what the 35% of the population gives to him. My point is Obama care can work! It just needs tweaking! Let's not forget all those immigrants that do the crappy jobs in the U.S. The working poor! They work for the rich! I have rarely seen a man or lady non-immigrant working in a hotel scrubing toilets or picking cherries. Alltho, this is observation, so I could be wrong. A proper research should be conducted on this and I am sure it could reveal interesting things!
A canadian voice on an Americain forum. It's hard to speak up sometimes on these kind of subjects, but I try and be neutral and not hate on others.
Lawnboy18
Wow! Msnbc has him trained!
I feel like the scapegoat here. First of all, you're basing yourself on what to say that I am "trained by Msnbc?". Pure observation? Well, that isn't good. In fact, I never watch the news, because they mainly like to exagerate and hide the real facts. It is called agenda marketing. They target the news to send out to us and hide the real stuff.
Same problem here. Only 35% of the people here declare taxes. That means 35% pays for the masses! It is very unfair, but we deal with it, because there is corruption up here. It could be a very good system. If you look in certain parts of Europe, they have one of the best health systems based a little on ours. It can work if all pay there part equally and declare each year. A problem is that the middle class is dissapearing causing high disparity. A lot of poor or rich people and it is getting worse. People around here are on welfare and do sweet nothing. So, they just collect form the government what the 35% of the population gives to him. My point is Obama care can work! It just needs tweaking! Let's not forget all those immigrants that do the crappy jobs in the U.S. The working poor! They work for the rich! I have rarely seen a man or lady non-immigrant working in a hotel scrubing toilets or picking cherries. Alltho, this is observation, so I could be wrong. A proper research should be conducted on this and I am sure it could reveal interesting things!
A canadian voice on an Americain forum. It's hard to speak up sometimes on these kind of subjects, but I try and be neutral and not hate on others.
#46
Ric
Msnbc has him trained and it sounds like Fox news has you trained, what's the difference?
Ric
Wow! Msnbc has him trained!
Msnbc has him trained and it sounds like Fox news has you trained, what's the difference?
#47
BHLC
CNN is my choice of news, doesn't matter though, their all biased. It doesn't take too much to see how bad things are and that it's not getting better. You're a fool if you think it is! Look at the national debt, the number of people leaving the workforce due to there being no work, taxes, taxes, taxes. Mine have sure gone up. Property and income, and no, my income has not gone up. This government is a joke! Their policy's are a joke! Republicans and Democrats are both to blame! They have all failed us, they should all be **** canned and get the hell out of our lives! We'd be all better off!
BHLC
Msnbc has him trained and it sounds like Fox news has you trained, what's the difference?
CNN is my choice of news, doesn't matter though, their all biased. It doesn't take too much to see how bad things are and that it's not getting better. You're a fool if you think it is! Look at the national debt, the number of people leaving the workforce due to there being no work, taxes, taxes, taxes. Mine have sure gone up. Property and income, and no, my income has not gone up. This government is a joke! Their policy's are a joke! Republicans and Democrats are both to blame! They have all failed us, they should all be **** canned and get the hell out of our lives! We'd be all better off!
#48
exotion
Then move.... Despite all the taxes and political bs you live in a great country if you don't like it then move or stop whining
exotion
CNN is my choice of news, doesn't matter though, their all biased. It doesn't take too much to see how bad things are and that it's not getting better. You're a fool if you think it is! Look at the national debt, the number of people leaving the workforce due to there being no work, taxes, taxes, taxes. Mine have sure gone up. Property and income, and no, my income has not gone up. This government is a joke! Their policy's are a joke! Republicans and Democrats are both to blame! They have all failed us, they should all be **** canned and get the hell out of our lives! We'd be all better off!
Then move.... Despite all the taxes and political bs you live in a great country if you don't like it then move or stop whining
#49
BHLC
BHLC
Never said it wasn't a great country, it is! Just run by a bunch of assholes, and full of lazy pieces of shits that don't amount to anything!
#50
Mike88se
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Mike88se
Msnbc has him trained and it sounds like Fox news has you trained, what's the difference?
:wink::thumbsup: