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This machine is in no way being marketed as a 20 year machine. I would put it right there with Lowes/Home Depot models. 2-5, maybe 7-10 years, depending on how its maintained. Keep in mind, there are areas that are not allowing gas mowers to be sold in the near future, so we need to remain optimistic about this. Otherwise, we'll get left in dinosaur land, and it will only hinder our ability to work on and sell these machines in these areas, while other manufacturers take over. There is still service money to be made here, but it requires an open mindset.
I have many of the same questions/concerns as you all, but I am also an optimist. No way will this machine make our gas mowers obsolete, so I don't see them as a threat. Kinda like gas vehicles will never go away. The industry has a long ways to go in regards to battery safety/longevity. I also wouldn't put it past insurance companies to charge a higher rate for home insurance if the owner has all battery operated machinery. I would consider that much higher risk!
All that being said, I have no intentions of selling my old 1964 110 that my great grandfather bought brand new. It's my main mowing machine and will last my lifetime. I do have a GT225 and a Z950M that helps take some work load off the 110, but I use the 110 mostly because it just fits my style better. My yard is only 3/4 acre, but I like my mowing toys! I use the Z950M when I need to get the yard done in a blast. The GT225 is just for fun. It was in too good of shape to pass up.
I'm only 42, but I was raised with an older generation mindset. However, I've also learned to embrace new tech with curiosity and optimism.
We shall see what happens once we actually get our hands on one of these new machines.
Right now, it's online pre-order only.
I have many of the same questions/concerns as you all, but I am also an optimist. No way will this machine make our gas mowers obsolete, so I don't see them as a threat. Kinda like gas vehicles will never go away. The industry has a long ways to go in regards to battery safety/longevity. I also wouldn't put it past insurance companies to charge a higher rate for home insurance if the owner has all battery operated machinery. I would consider that much higher risk!
All that being said, I have no intentions of selling my old 1964 110 that my great grandfather bought brand new. It's my main mowing machine and will last my lifetime. I do have a GT225 and a Z950M that helps take some work load off the 110, but I use the 110 mostly because it just fits my style better. My yard is only 3/4 acre, but I like my mowing toys! I use the Z950M when I need to get the yard done in a blast. The GT225 is just for fun. It was in too good of shape to pass up.
I'm only 42, but I was raised with an older generation mindset. However, I've also learned to embrace new tech with curiosity and optimism.
We shall see what happens once we actually get our hands on one of these new machines.
Right now, it's online pre-order only.
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That's so you don't get to look up close at it..
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As much fun we old farts get from hating on the newfangled electric mowers given time the real players like JD, Scag, Ferris, Toro etc. Will continue to improve and evolve their products. Remember the first battery drills as compared to today's? As energy storage technology improves so will the products ability. It will probably be a long time till an electric mower could replace all gas powered mowers but the applications they are suited for will grow every year. Being the first year of production i would not buy the new JD mower but give them a year or two and it will probably be a great mower in its niche market. I work on lots of mowers and the green ones are some of the best built in their class. I work on a lot of 20+ year old JD mowers. Of course JD engineers seem to have a thing for putting bolts where you can't get to them. I think i will keep all my gas powered dinosaurs a little ittle longer but i do love my battery powered tools.
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It is not the mowers that are the problem is it the power source
most of the cobalt comes from the DRC where around 4,000 people die in mining accidents each year and the underground mining is done principally by children as young as 8 .
Then there is the deforestation by Glencore , an Aussie company the specializes in open cut mining and because there are not pollution laws in the DRC they have already killed several rivers and hundreds if not thousands of villagers who live along them.
After that there is the Lithium .
What is mined in Australia has some ( very weak ) environmental safe guards and repartiation regulations but the major mining entity usually sells the mine when there is only a few years of production left to a close down specialist why has no assets so when the mine gate shuts for the las time there is no money to repatriate the land & clean up the pollution .
However in Chile & Argentina their deposits are aqueous and the resulting evaporation basins again posion vast amounts of land & kill vast numbers of wildlife , birds in particular and they are cutting down forests as fast as they can to make more evaporation basins .
Then there is the secondary pollution from the concentration & conversion of the salts .
We in the west are murdering citizens of third world countries so we can pretend to be cleaning up the environmental mess that we ( mostly ) created .
When the DRC was founded the first president was going to nationalize the Cobalt mines and use the funds the develope the country & recopense the villages who were displaced by the mining.
He was assinated in his first week and a Belgian puppet president took over so Putin is not alone nor unique .
The third bit component is graphite
The bulk of the worlds graphite is mined in China
China has the worst reputation for mining deaths, injury & subsequent pollution of any country on the planet but we will never know the truth .
However right now several graphite mines in Scandanavia are reopening even although they were all closed because they were killing the surrounding lakes & rivers and the clean up from mining that was done 10 years ago has not yet been completed .
Now on top of all of this, the known world reserves of cobalt are predicted to be totally consumed by 2040 at current rates of consumption
So it is a real case of the cure being worse than the disease .
However if you accept that over population of people is a causal factor of global warming then this will be a good thing because millions of people will die just so we in the west can virtue signal with EV's & Emowers .
The unfortunate bit is nearly all of those deaths will be in third world countries where the people were not causing atmospheric pollution.
most of the cobalt comes from the DRC where around 4,000 people die in mining accidents each year and the underground mining is done principally by children as young as 8 .
Then there is the deforestation by Glencore , an Aussie company the specializes in open cut mining and because there are not pollution laws in the DRC they have already killed several rivers and hundreds if not thousands of villagers who live along them.
After that there is the Lithium .
What is mined in Australia has some ( very weak ) environmental safe guards and repartiation regulations but the major mining entity usually sells the mine when there is only a few years of production left to a close down specialist why has no assets so when the mine gate shuts for the las time there is no money to repatriate the land & clean up the pollution .
However in Chile & Argentina their deposits are aqueous and the resulting evaporation basins again posion vast amounts of land & kill vast numbers of wildlife , birds in particular and they are cutting down forests as fast as they can to make more evaporation basins .
Then there is the secondary pollution from the concentration & conversion of the salts .
We in the west are murdering citizens of third world countries so we can pretend to be cleaning up the environmental mess that we ( mostly ) created .
When the DRC was founded the first president was going to nationalize the Cobalt mines and use the funds the develope the country & recopense the villages who were displaced by the mining.
He was assinated in his first week and a Belgian puppet president took over so Putin is not alone nor unique .
The third bit component is graphite
The bulk of the worlds graphite is mined in China
China has the worst reputation for mining deaths, injury & subsequent pollution of any country on the planet but we will never know the truth .
However right now several graphite mines in Scandanavia are reopening even although they were all closed because they were killing the surrounding lakes & rivers and the clean up from mining that was done 10 years ago has not yet been completed .
Now on top of all of this, the known world reserves of cobalt are predicted to be totally consumed by 2040 at current rates of consumption
So it is a real case of the cure being worse than the disease .
However if you accept that over population of people is a causal factor of global warming then this will be a good thing because millions of people will die just so we in the west can virtue signal with EV's & Emowers .
The unfortunate bit is nearly all of those deaths will be in third world countries where the people were not causing atmospheric pollution.
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Some EV car facts I just read.
In a Tesla, if in a bad wreck, the "Jaws of life" can NOT be used to get the roof off, Tesla & maybe others, run hi-powered Electric cables thru the pillars..
2) Can't change your own flat tire & AAA won't do it either. Must be hauled to Tesla.
3) Firefighters need special chemicals & training to put out fires.. (we knew that tho)..
In a Tesla, if in a bad wreck, the "Jaws of life" can NOT be used to get the roof off, Tesla & maybe others, run hi-powered Electric cables thru the pillars..
2) Can't change your own flat tire & AAA won't do it either. Must be hauled to Tesla.
3) Firefighters need special chemicals & training to put out fires.. (we knew that tho)..
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No the vehicle fire can be put out as was shown in the DeWalt fire but the battery fire can not
All you can do is wait it out till all of the chemicals have been consumed
So you just keep on spraying the rest of the mower / car / house to prevent the fire spreading from as far away as possible .
What fire fighter need is heavy chemical gas masks and full positive pressure contamination suits .
The fire fighters we saw at the DeWalt fire probably now have less than 5 to 10 years before the effect of those fumes kill them and it is not a pretty death
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That's not a pleasant thought. Bummer.