Laws Governing Professional Lawn Maintenance Businesses

[exotion]

Ok what if you do not use a mower that is sold as a commercial mower?

As sorry as I feel for this mans wife. There should not be a law because of dumb *** people that flip there mower over. Everyone knows that ztr can not mow hills that's why I don't have one.

(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))

Got to thinking about it and it would be extremely diffucult for anyone to control the 1000's of lawn mow company's out there for any safety control. Example osha governs I wear steal toe boots long jeans and a tee shirt not a tank. However I wear sneakers ankle socks shorts and a tank in the middle of summer never had aproblem.

 

[djdicetn]

I'm ok with the license of spraying chemicals but the governments already involved in to much. They have no Buisness telling me how to operate a mower and I'm a Law Enforcement officer. People need to use "common sense" more and quit looking for the government to bail them out!

therev,
I'm up to challenging your position(please don't shoot:0)
My grandson's dad is an Alabama State Trooper and he gives tickets for seat belt violations all the time(and so you don't enforce ALL laws governing automobiles equally, because you don't agfree with that particular concept?). So, the nerve of Legislators/Department of Safety/Automobile manufacturers for forcing seat belts, air bags and ABA braking systems upon those of us who don't want to "buy" those features or adhere to "Protect And Serve" law enforcement of the seat belt law? Lawn mowers travelling in excess of 5mph......exempt?????
So why were ROPS & seatbelts added by the manufacturers(can you spell liability/lawsuits/obvious safety concerns?)?

 

[djdicetn]

Got to thinking about it and it would be extremely diffucult for anyone to control the 1000's of lawn mow company's out there for any safety control. Example osha governs I wear steal toe boots long jeans and a tee shirt not a tank. However I wear sneakers ankle socks shorts and a tank in the middle of summer never had aproblem.

exotion,
Here comes the Devil's Advocate again:0)
Same goes for GM, Ford, etc. for mandantory safety controls. They are pretty well "controlled". Just makes some mad that in an effort to protect us(or as aptly put earlier..."fix our stupid":0) the design of ZTR's dictate intervention on our behalf. In the 1940's we could have had this same debate about cars......right??

 

[Ric]

Thank you Mr. Moderator!!!!!!!!! PLEASE don't delete my thread.......I'm sure you or the Administrator can remove specific posts(like the Chiebtam???? Vietnamese hacker:0)

I think I already removed that post didn't I ???

 

[djdicetn]

I think I already removed that post didn't I ???

I still see it as post#17 in the thread(as well as a few "nice" replies(mine was ALMOST nice:0)
My apologies.....I been a baaaaadddd boy:0)

 

[therev]

therev,
I'm up to challenging your position(please don't shoot:0)
My grandson's dad is an Alabama State Trooper and he gives tickets for seat belt violations all the time(and so you don't enforce ALL laws governing automobiles equally, because you don't agfree with that particular concept?). So, the nerve of Legislators/Department of Safety/Automobile manufacturers for forcing seat belts, air bags and ABA braking systems upon those of us who don't want to "buy" those features or adhere to "Protect And Serve" law enforcement of the seat belt law? Lawn mowers travelling in excess of 5mph......exempt?????
So why were ROPS & seatbelts added by the manufacturers(can you spell liability/lawsuits/obvious safety concerns?)?

You make a good point but I wasn't trying to throw my weight around by telling people I'm an officer. I meant to show even a govt employee can believe the govt is to big. As far as law enforcement goes it was originally designed for "voluntary compliance ". Meaning the govt did not want officers imposing the laws but would rather its citizens see them and comply with the law. So if I see you not wearing your seatbelt and then see you put it on after you observed me..... It worked, so I would not go stop you and write you a citation. But this is a civil infraction and misdemeanor and felonies are completely different. In my years as an officer I have seen society become more dependent on the govt and I know it wasn't setup this way. Oh I got to go someone needs help with a out of control 4 year old. That's the kind of things I get dispatched to all because people forget to think for themselves. God bless and I do value your opinion.

 

[X-man]

OK, guys....I was gonna start a POLL thread, but never having done that before I figured I would mess it up:0)
So I am starting this thread which will most likely make some of you mad at me, some of you will utilize it to vent and some of you will even agree with my twisted perception of how governing bodies should/should not "dictate" additional constraints on a Lawn Maintenance business. Here goes:

A recent broadcast on a local network news program reported a lawn care maintenance professional who died when his John Deere Zero Turn overturned. The pictures of this "Commercial mower", as the news reported, had no ROPS. I don't know if indeed it was a "Commercial" John Deere model or not by what I saw on the news but I did notice the lack of a ROPS. Sooooooooo, should there be a "law" that fines a lawn care service if their mowers do not meet "safety requirements"? For this discussion, let's drop the debate of what constitutes a "professional lawn care maintenance" person and just go on the premise that this law would govern anyone who receives money for mowing a lawn(or the "owner" should it be a company with a license). I'll bet that if this news story was indeed a "licensed/insured lawn maintenance services company", that their insurance company just sent them a letter of their coverage being cancelled. Also, should the dealer that sold a "Commercial" ZTR to a lawn service(or individual that had the intent to mow lawns for money)without a ROPS be held liable as well? I say that because when I recently considered the purchase of a Bad Boy Outlaw(which is considered a "Commercial" model of that brand), all of the pictures on the Bad Boy website showed it with a ROPS(but there was no specific mention of it in the "specs") only to find the Outlaw at the dealer did not "come with one" and the dealer wanted an extra $300 for it(that didn't go over too well with me:0) And........if we shift gears and assume we are the deceased guy's wife in this news story, who do we decide to sue over this(unless he signed an employment waiver of liability)? Everyone knows what a legalistic society we live in(can you spell hot coffee in a McDonald's drive-thru) and that kind of repercussion is bound to happen.

Now......I'm ready to be "blasted" by any ignorance on my part(I reserve the right to be wrong) of any existing licensing/insurance coverage details that already deals with this "safety issue". Personally, I think there needs to be some accountability at the dealer level and regulations at the business level, but I can be swayed by overwhelming arguments as to why not. And I am very curious as to the opinions about this subject that many of the other users on these forums have about this topic as well as adding details and other perspectives and/or "what ifs". Have at it guys!!!!

I started a poll just now on whether or not ZTR owners should be fined if the ROPS bar is missing.

I don't have much of an opinion because I don't own a ZTR.

 

[djdicetn]

You make a good point but I wasn't trying to throw my weight around by telling people I'm an officer. I meant to show even a govt employee can believe the govt is to big. As far as law enforcement goes it was originally designed for "voluntary compliance ". Meaning the govt did not want officers imposing the laws but would rather its citizens see them and comply with the law. So if I see you not wearing your seatbelt and then see you put it on after you observed me..... It worked, so I would not go stop you and write you a citation. But this is a civil infraction and misdemeanor and felonies are completely different. In my years as an officer I have seen society become more dependent on the govt and I know it wasn't setup this way. Oh I got to go someone needs help with a out of control 4 year old. That's the kind of things I get dispatched to all because people forget to think for themselves. God bless and I do value your opinion.

And I yours!!!! Absolutely no offense intended and thank you for your service to your community and placing yourself in harm's way for others. You and all that "serve" are in our prayers constantly as we all no that the "servant" is the biblical representation of the highest honor you can have!!!

 

[djdicetn]

I started a poll just now on whether or not ZTR owners should be fined if the ROPS bar is missing.

I don't have much of an opinion because I don't own a ZTR.

X-man,
Thanks...I'll find that and vote right now. Hopefully between the poll and this thread we can discuss the many opinions and reasons in a civil manner as to why this is/is not a good idea. BTW, don't you think you may need a ROPS on that string trimmer just in case you lose your balance and fall in a ditch????:0)

 

[midnite rider]

As I see it if you drive your mower out on a public road as you do a car these laws would be enforcable. What you do on your own property should be up to you and not the government. Seat belt laws being worn in your car are not enforcable by the government on private lands. Now I believe that government wants you dependent on them as then they can have control over you in all aspects of your life such as health care, retirement, housing, etc.