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Ethanol Education for Equipment Users
#1
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rwraysmith
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rwraysmith
Just found this via Twitter. Good to see shots of GIE in the background.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeIiYMLtGvg#action=share
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeIiYMLtGvg#action=share
#2
Ric
Ric
Yeah you have to be careful what your buying. Most Pumps are pretty plain though. We Have the 15 and 85% around here in Florida. I expect that with the Flex Fuel vehicles around you'll see more and more stations with the 15 and 85 going up.
#3
reynoldston
reynoldston
It looks like all talk and no proof.
#4
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rwraysmith
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rwraysmith
Sometimes you also have to be careful with regular. For years I used gas from the same three tanks all summer and thought nothing of it. The mowers I had could handle it. Then I got a small Cub Cadet leaf blower, which was a LOT more finicky about what it ate. I learned my lesson with that one. Sometimes it pays to listen to the manual.
#5
Carscw
Carscw
It's a scam the whole ethanol thing.
#6
Ric
Everything here from 87 to 93 all are 10% I guess. I run the 87 once in a while in the truck but mostly 93 octane. I run the 93 in all the mowers and hand held stuff for years and never had an issue with anything, I really don't understand what all the fuss is about.
Ric
Sometimes you also have to be careful with regular. For years I used gas from the same three tanks all summer and thought nothing of it. The mowers I had could handle it. Then I got a small Cub Cadet leaf blower, which was a LOT more finicky about what it ate. I learned my lesson with that one. Sometimes it pays to listen to the manual.
Everything here from 87 to 93 all are 10% I guess. I run the 87 once in a while in the truck but mostly 93 octane. I run the 93 in all the mowers and hand held stuff for years and never had an issue with anything, I really don't understand what all the fuss is about.
#7
reynoldston
I don't see anything wrong with ethanol, the only thing I see is the big oil company's not liking ethanol cutting into their profits.
reynoldston
It's a scam the whole ethanol thing.
I don't see anything wrong with ethanol, the only thing I see is the big oil company's not liking ethanol cutting into their profits.
#8
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bertsmobile1
Difference is I fix a lot of other peoples engines & I DO SEE A LOT OF PROBLEMS.
No conspiracy going on. it is a plain fact that ethanol CAN, UNDER THE RIGHT CONDITIONS cause problems.
I ran e10 in our fleet of delivery vehicles for over 20 years with absolutely no problems.
We ran e 10 occasionally in the RR hire cars with no problems.
However I have had problems with e10 in my chain saw which got used about once very 2 to 3 years.
Ditto for the generator,
I have problems with running strait unleaded in the vintage motorcycles, before I twigged to what was happening.
Like flodding from king tides, all of the planets need to be aligned & the earth needs to be on the right tilt.
Just because you did not get hit by the flying lead when the lunatic was shooting intto the crowd , does not mean he was not there turning your neighbours into dog food.
People like Jacks Small Engines , do not profit from customers avoiding e10, in fact they loose money because people will not need to replace clogged up & corroded parts.
Ditto for E Replacement Parts,
Ditto for Messicks.
And a host of parts retailers but they all warn to avoid using ethanol in small engines, for good reasons.
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bertsmobile1
I don't see anything wrong with ethanol, the only thing I see is the big oil company's not liking ethanol cutting into their profits.
Difference is I fix a lot of other peoples engines & I DO SEE A LOT OF PROBLEMS.
No conspiracy going on. it is a plain fact that ethanol CAN, UNDER THE RIGHT CONDITIONS cause problems.
I ran e10 in our fleet of delivery vehicles for over 20 years with absolutely no problems.
We ran e 10 occasionally in the RR hire cars with no problems.
However I have had problems with e10 in my chain saw which got used about once very 2 to 3 years.
Ditto for the generator,
I have problems with running strait unleaded in the vintage motorcycles, before I twigged to what was happening.
Like flodding from king tides, all of the planets need to be aligned & the earth needs to be on the right tilt.
Just because you did not get hit by the flying lead when the lunatic was shooting intto the crowd , does not mean he was not there turning your neighbours into dog food.
People like Jacks Small Engines , do not profit from customers avoiding e10, in fact they loose money because people will not need to replace clogged up & corroded parts.
Ditto for E Replacement Parts,
Ditto for Messicks.
And a host of parts retailers but they all warn to avoid using ethanol in small engines, for good reasons.
#9
reynoldston
reynoldston
Suit yourself no argument because I just don't agree with you, not the first time.Difference is I fix a lot of other peoples engines & I DO SEE A LOT OF PROBLEMS.
No conspiracy going on. it is a plain fact that ethanol CAN, UNDER THE RIGHT CONDITIONS cause problems.
I ran e10 in our fleet of delivery vehicles for over 20 years with absolutely no problems.
We ran e 10 occasionally in the RR hire cars with no problems.
However I have had problems with e10 in my chain saw which got used about once very 2 to 3 years.
Ditto for the generator,
I have problems with running strait unleaded in the vintage motorcycles, before I twigged to what was happening.
Like flodding from king tides, all of the planets need to be aligned & the earth needs to be on the right tilt.
Just because you did not get hit by the flying lead when the lunatic was shooting intto the crowd , does not mean he was not there turning your neighbours into dog food.
People like Jacks Small Engines , do not profit from customers avoiding e10, in fact they loose money because people will not need to replace clogged up & corroded parts.
Ditto for E Replacement Parts,
Ditto for Messicks.
And a host of parts retailers but they all warn to avoid using ethanol in small engines, for good reasons.
#11
Ric
I agree with you and I know they won't agree with me but I think the problem you have is that you have people who are not willing to accept today's technology.
There content to live like it's still the 50s or 60s. I smile when I say that because my parents were that way, my mom wouldn't even use a cordless phone say nothing about a cell phone or smart phone. The fact is that Ethanol has become one of the biggest scapegoats there is going today for equipment.
Ric
Suit yourself no argument because I just don't agree with you, not the first time.
I agree with you and I know they won't agree with me but I think the problem you have is that you have people who are not willing to accept today's technology.
There content to live like it's still the 50s or 60s. I smile when I say that because my parents were that way, my mom wouldn't even use a cordless phone say nothing about a cell phone or smart phone. The fact is that Ethanol has become one of the biggest scapegoats there is going today for equipment.
#12
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bertsmobile1
It would be a boreing world if we all agreed on everything.
And civilised people should be able to dissagree with each other in an amenable manner .
Just so long as the punters have enough info to make up their own minds after all that is what a free world is all about.
Then every one is happy.
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bertsmobile1
Suit yourself no argument because I just don't agree with you, not the first time.
It would be a boreing world if we all agreed on everything.
And civilised people should be able to dissagree with each other in an amenable manner .
Just so long as the punters have enough info to make up their own minds after all that is what a free world is all about.
Then every one is happy.
#13
reynoldston
reynoldston
Big oil company's are just like the tobacco company's, smoking doesn't hurt you so keep buying tobacco so they can be very rich. Too bad people are dying from cancer. Don't use ethanol so the farmers don't get the money but the very needy large oil company's can get richer, oh by the way its bad for your engine also. What a bunch of bull snot. If you believe what the oil company's want you to, go for it then maybe we can also destroy our environment on top of it all.
#14
Carscw
I agree.
Ethanol gets blamed for lack of maintenance.
Cheap materials to make cheap parts.
Carscw
I agree with you and I know they won't agree with me but I think the problem you have is that you have people who are not willing to accept today's technology. There content to live like it's still the 50s or 60s. I smile when I say that because my parents were that way, my mom wouldn't even use a cordless phone say nothing about a cell phone or smart phone. The fact is that Ethanol has become one of the biggest scapegoats there is going today for equipment.
I agree.
Ethanol gets blamed for lack of maintenance.
Cheap materials to make cheap parts.
#15
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bertsmobile1
there is a whole lot more stuff in fuel, which is not petrol that is a bigger worry than ethanol.
Ethanol is fine in vehicles used frequently.
Ethanol is fine in fuel injected vehicles with a computer to alter engine telemetry on the fly, that are used regularly.
Problems come with infrequent use and engines that rely on fixed volume flow to control the combustion.
In fact plain old unleaded is problematic even in that regards, running 1920's motorcycles on "fuel" is a painful experience.
Even my 1943 motorcycle is a problem & that was designed to run on wartime "pool" petrol which was in the 80 octane region when you were lucky.
I have run many bikes on 100% ethanol, 100% methanol and all sorts of mixtures including nitro benzene so have nothing against ethanol blends, when used where they are designed to be used.
In modern, computer controlled, fuel injected, multi cylinder, water cooled vehicles.
As for conspiracies, every small engine in the entire USA added together would be hard pushed to use as much gas in a full year as the cars do in 1 day in any major USA city so loss of profit is a no brainer.
They make 100 times more profit retailing the ethanol added into "fuel" than they do processing the black tar sands from Canada into "fuel".
Oil refineries make bigger profit from selling waste prducts to the plasics & fertiliser companies that they do selling gas to lawnmower owners.
Buy some shares in any oil company, request a full copy of the companies trading report for any financial year and look at the profit from petro chemical sales comparred to fuel sales.
If they could stop selling gas to Joe Public and still run the refineries they would do so in an instant.
There is no profit in distilling ethanol for fuel and no country had done it profitably except Brazil when they were running the Gasahol fuel and the was done principally to reduce foreign debt as they had no oil and no money to pay for it.
If you care to check your own National Accounts you will find that the USA, same as Australia, is heavily subsidising the ethanol used in fuel because it is substantially more expensive to make ethanol in the volumes required than it is to refine, crack & recrack oil into fuel and will always be so.
IF you want to fish out a conspiracy, that is where you will find real meat to chew on.
Look who owns the distilleries and who is profiting from using ethanol and what are their political connections.
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bertsmobile1
Big oil company's are just like the tobacco company's, smoking doesn't hurt you so keep buying tobacco so they can be very rich. Too bad people are dying from cancer. Don't use ethanol so the farmers don't get the money but the very needy large oil company's can get richer, oh by the way its bad for your engine also. What a bunch of bull snot. If you believe what the oil company's want you to, go for it then maybe we can also destroy our environment on top of it all.
there is a whole lot more stuff in fuel, which is not petrol that is a bigger worry than ethanol.
Ethanol is fine in vehicles used frequently.
Ethanol is fine in fuel injected vehicles with a computer to alter engine telemetry on the fly, that are used regularly.
Problems come with infrequent use and engines that rely on fixed volume flow to control the combustion.
In fact plain old unleaded is problematic even in that regards, running 1920's motorcycles on "fuel" is a painful experience.
Even my 1943 motorcycle is a problem & that was designed to run on wartime "pool" petrol which was in the 80 octane region when you were lucky.
I have run many bikes on 100% ethanol, 100% methanol and all sorts of mixtures including nitro benzene so have nothing against ethanol blends, when used where they are designed to be used.
In modern, computer controlled, fuel injected, multi cylinder, water cooled vehicles.
As for conspiracies, every small engine in the entire USA added together would be hard pushed to use as much gas in a full year as the cars do in 1 day in any major USA city so loss of profit is a no brainer.
They make 100 times more profit retailing the ethanol added into "fuel" than they do processing the black tar sands from Canada into "fuel".
Oil refineries make bigger profit from selling waste prducts to the plasics & fertiliser companies that they do selling gas to lawnmower owners.
Buy some shares in any oil company, request a full copy of the companies trading report for any financial year and look at the profit from petro chemical sales comparred to fuel sales.
If they could stop selling gas to Joe Public and still run the refineries they would do so in an instant.
There is no profit in distilling ethanol for fuel and no country had done it profitably except Brazil when they were running the Gasahol fuel and the was done principally to reduce foreign debt as they had no oil and no money to pay for it.
If you care to check your own National Accounts you will find that the USA, same as Australia, is heavily subsidising the ethanol used in fuel because it is substantially more expensive to make ethanol in the volumes required than it is to refine, crack & recrack oil into fuel and will always be so.
IF you want to fish out a conspiracy, that is where you will find real meat to chew on.
Look who owns the distilleries and who is profiting from using ethanol and what are their political connections.
#16
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adamm
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adamm
Diving into the topic of education on the use of ethanol in mechanical engineering is really interesting and relevant. After all, such education broadens my horizons in the field of environmental technologies and impact on the environment. At the same time, I am immersed in writing a dissertation discussing the impact of ethanol use on the efficiency of modern equipment. This is an exciting journey into the world of research, where knowledge from the educational program is combined with practical research for in-depth understanding.