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What is ironic is that Murray basically started the whole downward spiral. Briggs purchased Murray which was a major user of Tecumseh engines, and since Briggs became a competitor mower manufacturer with that bankruptcy purchase, MTD refused to used Briggs engines for a couple years, which is when MTD went to China to obtain their Powermore engine line and now MTD is building the Murray line for the past 10 years.

So my predictions are that MTD purchases the Murray name, and possibly gets Snapper when Simplicity is sold to Toro. Just personal thoughts.
 

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Depends upon how you look t it.
In essence Briggs are only a componant supplier.
As factories chase lower prices for componants Briggs will be forever be squeezed to make a lower priced engine so their fate is sealed.
Selling off the whole goods divisions will only produce a temporary reprieve and put off the inevidable.

Immediatly post WW II the managemen thinking was controlling the entire production, called vertical intergration.
I will illustrate with BSA as that is what I know best.
They bought their suppliers from the coal mines right through to the steel suppliers, the tools used to make motorcycles and the trucks use to deliver them
The only bits they did not own were Amal carburettors ( 30% stake ) Jones / Dunlop / Singer ( wheel rims ) where they had a percentage in all of them & Lucas where they had no stake.
They owned the iron foundries that made the cylinder barrels and the aluminium foundries that cast the cankcases so even if their models failed & the competition out sold them, they had the profits from supplying their competitiors to fall back on plus the sale of non motorcycle related items, like Motoplas making plastic parts for the white goods industry or the forge making push bike parts for Raleigh ( who bought the push bike division in 1964 )
In the final 6 years, the non motorcycle entities were not only covering the losses of the motorcycle division but actually producing profits.

The USA went the other way, the catch cry was "own the market" so the idea was to either buy , merge with or bankrupt all of your competitors till you became the monopoly supplier and thus you could set the prices for the market.
Then we had all of the Harvard graduates ( yes it did come from Harvard ) who came out with the brilliant idea of "core business" so all of the big companies went gar gars selling off everything that was not directly making their product.
Thus companies like Briggs became assemblers rather than manufacturers , buying in as many parts as possible in order to force a cheaper price.
The next nail in the coffin was another Harvard idea "brand name value" so the brand name became an individual saleable entity divorced for the manufacture & distribution of the end product. The poster child for this was Sara Lea
In our domain think Ryobi, Mikata ( petrol ) etc. This saw a profusion of products bearing the brand name of well known companies just being a rebranded bought in product ( JD push mowers for instance ) most of which were some what sub standard.
Ultimately Horizontal intergration is a disaster waiting to happen because if that sector of the market suffers a prolonged down turn then you are stuffed big time, think car companies during the oil crisis.

HD saw this and after going to the wall, set themselves up to make a lot more of their motorcycle & supply parts into the general trade making handlebars & wheels .

IMHO if Briggs are going to survive as a company they need to keep making whole goods and in particular top end products like Simplicity and push the quality aspect over trying to make them cheap enough for HF or Wallies.
But marketing has to change & they need to make their dealers into distribution centres for on line purchasing so they can be reasonably price competative & retain their dealer network
Simple things like offering 10 year extended warranty provided servicing is done by the dealer over a 1 year standard warranty
And then the quality & longevity of the engines has to be increased so the Briggs engine becomes considered the top end engine, not the cheapest.

China has a long term plan to dominate the world and they are using the greed & corruption of Western businesses & people themselves to do it.
They had the post WWII history of Arabia , Japan, Singapore, HK & Korea to use to create business model that would lift the country into the 21st century without plunging them into the mass poverty of the British East India company days, and to date it is working perfectly.
The collapse of Tecumseh firstly made a market available for cheap & nasty Chinese engines and secondly it put price pressure on all of the remaining USA factories due to reduced volumes of USA / Canadian steel & aluminium pushing the local price up.

In the 2015 calendar year the biggest volume small engine maker was B & S with Honda distant second the next 5 were all from China then Kohler, Yamaha, Kawasaki & Suberu the around another 10 Chinese companies.
That was the last year of this particular analysis as it then changet to USA centric survey to make the non-Chinese sector look healthier than they are.
Liffan is the biggest engine maker if you include their motorcycle engines .
 

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If Briggs goes under... would that affect Generac? I never can remember correctly if Briggs bought generac, or they started it and sold it. :rolleyes:
 

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I now see the Briggs & Stratton name on battery packs (82v) used in lawn and garden equipment from various companies and they have their own battery mower engine line now. No doubt Chinese crap - but sure not cheap.

But I've been putting together a 12 cu in Briggs engine for an old mower and it's pretty amazing how cheaply built that motor is, and they've sold millions of that exact basic engine. Looking at that cheap motor, cheap stamped steel deck, cheap plastic wheels, and the NOT cheap price tags on those mowers, somebody is making money for sure.
 

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If Briggs goes under... would that affect Generac? I never can remember correctly if Briggs bought generac, or they started it and sold it. :rolleyes:
No Briggs was in the works to purchase Generac, and had a 5 year agreement to complete the purchase, but in the end Briggs just stole the generator technology and now Generac after purchasing 2-3 other companies is a larger company than before the Briggs agreement.
 

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inIMHO if Briggs are going to survive as a company they need to keep making whole goods and in particular top end products like Simplicity and push the quality aspect over trying to make them cheap enough for HF or Wallies.
And then the quality & longevity of the engines has to be increased so the Briggs engine becomes considered the top end engine, not the cheapest.
Doesn't Briggs and Stratton own/offer Ferris and Snapper Pro and Vanguard engines for commercial mowers.
 
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Doesn't Briggs and Stratton own/offer Ferris and Snapper Pro and Vanguard engines for commercial mowers.
Ferris and Snapper/Snapper Pro are part of the Simplicity group which is supposed to be part of the sell off package. And Vanguard is staying for the commercial mowers for now. Briggs is keeping the engine line and the generator products but selling off OPE and pressure washers.
 

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The "new" Briggs & Stratton emerged from bankruptcy today. This is a deal similar to GM. There is "old" Briggs carrying all the debt, and "new" Briggs being dept free. Not mentioned in the article is that Todd Teske is out as president and CEO. Also the previous mentioned sale of assets will not happen. All brands owned by Briggs will continue to be manufactured and sold by Briggs (Ferris, Snapper, Snapper Pro, Simplicity).

https://biztimes.com/briggs-stratton...capital-group/
 

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That is if all f the suppliers who have been stiffed are willing to supply parts and in these times that is a big IF .
Hopefully Briggs will see the light and return Murray as a major manufacturer of store branded mowers ,naturally fitted with B & S engines exclusively thus becoming a direct competitor to MTD
As they are the engine makers they can then vertical intergrate and produce cheaper than MTD and perhaps force a rethink on the fitting of Loncin engines excluseivly to all MTD products .
Then they need to promote their own brands and make a clear distinction between the throw away domestics and top end products.
Long term top end is the only path to follow because mowers from China will just keep on getting cheaper and India has not even come on line yet .
The other thing that has to be done is bigger inventory of older parts and advertising to convince the public that they will always be able to fix their B & S engines and cast doubt on the supply of parts for the Loncin's fitted to Toro & MTD .
However it will be a big ask
I still am getting 6 month back orders on common parts like 31 series cam shafts .
 

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I needed parts for a 20 year old Simplicity. Checked my ususal suppliers and no one had in stock so ordered and waited. A month later they came in. The parts were in plastic bags from Simplicity and put into Briggs and Stratton boxes. I will bet this whole parts thing gets worse before better. As much as some folks want to hate on aftermarket parts soon it may be the only way to keep equipment running.

Many years ago when cars went from standard headlamps to fancy plastic assemblies car mfgrs jacked the price to obscene levels as they were in very high demand by collision shops. In comes aftermarket with comparable quality for 1/3 the price. The car mfgrs cried foul and tried to get the government to ban them as unsafe. In the meantime they jacked the prices even higher. Same for tail light assemblies.
 
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