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Jun 29, 2013#1

T

TAZ

Well I have been to alot of dealers
Exmark--Quest S 42"

Toro-Mx 4260
Titan ZX4820

Gravely- ZTXL 42
ZT42

Leaning towards the Toro and Gravely(at the same dealer) and get a good vib from him.

Exmark dealer is kind of snotty and bad mouthed the Quest--guess not enough profit for him..

So my search may be complete.

What do you think of these choices?

Jun 29, 2013#2

S

smow

Finally registered, but have been a long time silent reader. I have been searching for a ZT for my 1 acre lot since the end of last year. I am down to exactly the same mowers. There are 2 dealers about the same distance from me that have the same models.

Dealer 1 - Toro and Exmark
Dealer 2 - John Deere and Gravely

I'm not a huge fan of the Briggs Stratton motors so the John Deere is at the way bottom of the short list.

I'm leaning heavily towards the Gravely ZT XL 42. Reasons being:
-Holds more fuel than the others (3.8 gallons)
-Has the ZT2800 hydros (not present on 42" Exmark Quest S *only 50" has ZT2800* or Toro MX4260)

What I'd like to better understand is price. I never pay sticker price for a car, does one pay sticker for a mower or is there some ability to negotiate?

Jun 30, 2013#3

T

TAZ

smow said:
Finally registered, but have been a long time silent reader. I have been searching for a ZT for my 1 acre lot since the end of last year. I am down to exactly the same mowers. There are 2 dealers about the same distance from me that have the same models.

Dealer 1 - Toro and Exmark
Dealer 2 - John Deere and Gravely

I'm not a huge fan of the Briggs Stratton motors so the John Deere is at the way bottom of the short list.

I'm leaning heavily towards the Gravely ZT XL 42. Reasons being:
-Holds more fuel than the others (3.8 gallons)
-Has the ZT2800 hydros (not present on 42" Exmark Quest S *only 50" has ZT2800* or Toro MX4260)

What I'd like to better understand is price. I never pay sticker price for a car, does one pay sticker for a mower or is there some ability to negotiate?

Hey smow

Around here it seems dealers will not budge off MLSP--I tried only thing to do is wait for a sale or close out maybe-

I want a Kawasaki engine and also a ZT2800 trans.

Jun 30, 2013#4

Ric

TAZ said:
Well I have been to a lot of dealers
Exmark--Quest S 42"

Toro-Mx 4260
Titan ZX4820

Gravely- ZTXL 42
ZT42

Leaning towards the Toro and Gravely(at the same dealer) and get a good vib from him.

Exmark dealer is kind of snotty and bad mouthed the Quest--guess not enough profit for him..

So my search may be complete.

What do you think of these choices?

Seeing that the Toro and Exmark are made by the same company, with the ones you have listed my choice would be the Titan ZX 4820. I think the Toro is one of the best on the market and it's the best bang for the money your spending. and probably a little cheaper than the Exmark. I run the Toro Grandstand and the Turf-Master and there fantastic mowers.

Jun 30, 2013#5

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Rivets

For once I agree with Ric, Toro Titan would be your best selection. As for price, comparing Z-turn pricing to cars, is like comparing apples and lemons. 1. Profit margins are vastly different. 2. Most good small engine businesses are family owned which limits flexibility. 3. You will get personalized customer service included at the good ones. 4. You are supporting Americas and your communities small businesses, which is always a plus. 5. You can always ask, but don't let price make the final decision. 6. Better to ask for a first time service, where you pay for the parts and he pays for the labor. You both win on this deal and he can do a full inspection of the unit while it is still under warranty. Keeps you coming back in the future if you are happy.

Jun 30, 2013#6

lawn mower fanatic

I, too, would suggest the Titan. :thumbsup:

Jun 30, 2013#7

T

TAZ

lawn mower fanatic said:
I, too, would suggest the Titan. :thumbsup:

Rivets said:
For once I agree with Ric, Toro Titan would be your best selection. As for price, comparing Z-turn pricing to cars, is like comparing apples and lemons. 1. Profit margins are vastly different. 2. Most good small engine businesses are family owned which limits flexibility. 3. You will get personalized customer service included at the good ones. 4. You are supporting Americas and your communities small businesses, which is always a plus. 5. You can always ask, but don't let price make the final decision. 6. Better to ask for a first time service, where you pay for the parts and he pays for the labor. You both win on this deal and he can do a full inspection of the unit while it is still under warranty. Keeps you coming back in the future if you are happy.

Ric said:
Seeing that the Toro and Exmark are made by the same company, with the ones you have listed my choice would be the Titan ZX 4820. I think the Toro is one of the best on the market and it's the best bang for the money your spending. and probably a little cheaper than the Exmark. I run the Toro Grandstand and the Turf-Master and there fantastic mowers.

Thanks everyone for the replys I am leaning to the titan + i think the dealer said he had a $500 rebate:licking:

I hav`nt been to a Deere dealer yet--what do you think of the EZ Traks?

Jun 30, 2013#8

R

Rivets

TAZ said:
I hav`nt been to a Deere dealer yet--what do you think of the EZ Traks?

Just look at the deck material, that should answer your question.

Jun 30, 2013#9

Ric

TAZ said:
Thanks everyone for the replys I am leaning to the titan + i think the dealer said he had a $500 rebate:licking:

I hav`nt been to a Deere dealer yet--what do you think of the EZ Traks?

I know of only one in this area that's being used commercially and it's cut isn't anything to brag about. I personally wouldn't waste the time. :thumbdown:

Jun 30, 2013#10

T

TAZ

Rivets said:
Just look at the deck material, that should answer your question.

Ric said:
I know of only one in this area that's being used commercially and it's cut isn't anything to brag about. I personally wouldn't waste the time. :thumbdown:

thanks again guys --I did some searching on the net about Deere ZTs and wasn`t to impressed,also read somewhere that Deere may stop selling the ZTs but I don`t know for sure..

I also think the Titan is the best bang for my$$$$$

Jun 30, 2013#11

M

man00

TAZ said:
thanks again guys --I did some searching on the net about Deere ZTs and wasn`t to impressed,also read somewhere that Deere may stop selling the ZTs but I don`t know for sure..

I also think the Titan is the best bang for my$$$$$

My hot divorced neighbor has a JD ZT. It is a 900 I think, I only wish she had a smaller mower or larger yard. She mows in 10 minutes.

Jun 30, 2013#12

S

smow

TAZ said:
thanks again guys --I did some searching on the net about Deere ZTs and wasn`t to impressed,also read somewhere that Deere may stop selling the ZTs but I don`t know for sure..

I also think the Titan is the best bang for my$$$$$

Going to take a closer look at the Titan. With a $500 rebate the Titan moves to the top of the list. Problem becomes once your in the door you start looking at the MX and next thing you know you're towing that baby home. What is the cost of the zx4820 Titan with the $500 rebate?

Jun 30, 2013#13

Ric

smow said:
Going to take a closer look at the Titan. With a $500 rebate the Titan moves to the top of the list. Problem becomes once your in the door you start looking at the MX and next thing you know you're towing that baby home. What is the cost of the zx4820 Titan with the $500 rebate?

That depends on how and where you buy it. I've seen it priced online from $4049.00 to $4999.00. Generally speaking if you buy from the dealer they can cut the MSRP a bit but with the rebate it would be hard to say what price you could get the mower for.

Jun 30, 2013#14

lawn mower fanatic

TAZ said:
...also read somewhere that Deere may stop selling the ZTs but I don`t know for sure...

If that's true JD would not be selling much more than lawn tractors! They stopped selling push mowers, and now maybe some of the zero-turns?? :confused2:

Jun 30, 2013#15

Ric

lawn mower fanatic said:
If that's true JD would not be selling much more than lawn tractors! They stopped selling push mowers, and now maybe some of the zero-turns?? :confused2:

That doesn't really surprise me, JD make great agricultural equipment but they never really made it in the lawncare for some reason. from what I understand they are making a push for selling the Honda mowers. I guess that about tells you how much faith they have in there own stuff.

Jun 30, 2013#16

T

TAZ

Ric said:
That depends on how and where you buy it. I've seen it priced online from $4049.00 to $4999.00. Generally speaking if you buy from the dealer they can cut the MSRP a bit but with the rebate it would be hard to say what price you could get the mower for.

Here you go Toro | Toro TITAN® $500 Off Offer Landing Page

Hope I did`nt do anything wrong by putting in this link.

Jul 1, 2013#17

lawn mower fanatic

TAZ said:
Here you go Toro | Toro TITANｮ $500 Off Offer Landing Page

Hope I did`nt do anything wrong by putting in this link.

Good deal! :thumbsup:

Jul 1, 2013#18

T

TAZ

lawn mower fanatic said:
Good deal! :thumbsup:

Yep --I close on the house -mid July and the rebate will be right up my alley:thumbsup:

Jul 14, 2013#19

S

smow

How do you think the Toro Titan compares to the Gravely HD series? Looks like the HD is similar to the Titan MX series. Do the Titan decks hang on chains like the Gravely HD. The floating/hanging system appears to be on many commercial mowers.

Jul 14, 2013#20

P

Plow

Ric said:
That doesn't really surprise me, JD make great agricultural equipment but they never really made it in the lawncare for some reason. from what I understand they are making a push for selling the Honda mowers. I guess that about tells you how much faith they have in there own stuff.

Oh, I don't know about that. JD has always been a staple for garden tractors. My perception is that the ZTR are and have been gaining momentum for quite some time. With ZTR vendors like Toro (ex mark), Scag, grasshopper, Dixie chopper, etc; they are not top on the list.

With the quality of these ZTRs, JD takes a back seat and more and more people want a ZTR. There are less and less applications for "garden tractors". JD still makes the only tractor worth buying though. Just my opinion. But what do I know, I am just a noob.

Jul 14, 2013#21

lawn mower fanatic

smow said:
How do you think the Toro Titan compares to the Gravely HD series? Looks like the HD is similar to the Titan MX series. Do the Titan decks hang on chains like the Gravely HD. The floating/hanging system appears to be on many commercial mowers.

Just from the looks it seems like the Toro is "more commercial" than the Gravely HD. I agree with your second sentence. And I don't think the Titans have chains that hold the deck. :frown: They have this:

Toro | TITAN - Zero Turn Lawn Mowers

Jul 15, 2013#22

T

TAZ

lawn mower fanatic said:
Just from the looks it seems like the Toro is "more commercial" than the Gravely HD. I agree with your second sentence. And I don't think the Titans have chains that hold the deck. :frown: They have this:

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Toro | TITAN - Zero Turn Lawn Mowers

Gravely ZT HD Zero Turn Mower

The ZT Hd 48" $4899 has Zt3100 trans , compares to Toro ZX4820 $4599 has Zt2800

these are the ones I`m thinking about , also like the Gravely ZTXL 42" $3999 with ZT 2800 trans

Jul 15, 2013#23

S

smow

TAZ said:
Gravely ZT HD Zero Turn Mower

The ZT Hd 48" $4899 has Zt3100 trans , compares to Toro ZX4820 $4599 has Zt2800

these are the ones I`m thinking about.

Yes, I'm down to the same 2. I will go take one last look in person. Last item that I want to check is deck offset or overhang. I want to reduce the amount of trimming I do after mowing. I 'm not sure how far beyond the wheel the deck overhangs on the left side on both mfg mowers.

Jul 15, 2013#24

djdicetn

smow said:
How do you think the Toro Titan compares to the Gravely HD series? Looks like the HD is similar to the Titan MX series. Do the Titan decks hang on chains like the Gravely HD. The floating/hanging system appears to be on many commercial mowers.

You will find that the Toro Titan MX series and the Gravely ZT HD series are very comparable machines. The chain-hung deck, double-braced anti-scalp wheels, cast-iron spindles, beefy deck lift system and 1-Year Commercial Warranty are the only Gravely features that are slightly better than the Toro. Both will serve you well.

Jul 15, 2013#25

T

TAZ

djdicetn said:
You will find that the Toro Titan MX series and the Gravely ZT HD series are very comparable machines. The chain-hung deck, double-braced anti-scalp wheels, cast-iron spindles, beefy deck lift system and 1-Year Commercial Warranty are the only Gravely features that are slightly better than the Toro. Both will serve you well.

What is the advantage of a chain hung deck--does it sort of float better as the scalp wheels glide over the grass?

Jul 16, 2013#26

lawn mower fanatic

TAZ said:
What is the advantage of a chain hung deck--does it sort of float better as the scalp wheels glide over the grass?

Here is some info: http://www.lawnsite.com/archive/index.php/t-278688.html

Jul 16, 2013#27

djdicetn

TAZ said:
What is the advantage of a chain hung deck--does it sort of float better as the scalp wheels glide over the grass?

To be quite honest....I don't know:0)
I didn't get a lot out of the thread that user lawn mower fanatic provided(sorry lmf) but all I know is that when I was shopping for a ZTR, the upper priced Residential models and all of the Commercial models I looked at all had chain-hung decks. The catalog for the Gravely's, when describing the advantages of the ZT HD series stated "4 point commercial style deck hanging system" when describing the chain hung deck. And it elaborated that this "provided the durability you would expect on a professional machine". Maybe someone more "knowledgeable" about different deck hanging systems can tell us more about the pros/cons of each style.

Jul 16, 2013#28

T

TAZ

lawn mower fanatic said:
Here is some info: http://www.lawnsite.com/archive/index.php/t-278688.html

thanks for link.

Jul 16, 2013#29

lawn mower fanatic

djdicetn said:
I didn't get a lot out of the thread that user lawn mower fanatic provided(sorry lmf)...

That's why I said SOME info! :wink:

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