Probably using a car compression tester on a small engine (gives you inaccurate readings) and valves are out of spec. Dynamic compression too high.So, why, if all parameters measure good, will the starter not get past compression?
Yes, but the valves need to be properly set within tolerance to make the final decision if the compression release has failed. But don't wait too long to find out, because Briggs has a common issue of backordering the camshaft, and some of the warehouses are getting low on inventory.I found something on the net about a valve release system built into the cam shaft that relieves a bit of pressure so the starter can spin. The failure led to metal pieces in the sump and the need to replace the cam shaft.
Could this be my issue?
J
Step 1). Load test battery and clean and tighten all connections.I found something on the net about a valve release system built into the cam shaft that relieves a bit of pressure so the starter can spin. The failure led to metal pieces in the sump and the need to replace the cam shaft.
Could this be my issue?
J
As these engine run, the moving valve parts wear a small fraction of an amount and the valve lash open up too much, which makes compression higher. With higher compression, the engine becomes harder to start, especially cold.Model 33R777
Type 0003 G1
Code 190214ZD
Single cylinder.
Will not spin past compression stroke.
Battery measures 12.8 v. Starter is new (and all this was tried with 2 used starters as well, so 3 different starters).
Battery connections cleaned, starter relay connections cleaned.
Battery voltage measures 12.7 all the way to the starter; battery, starter relay input, starter relay output, starter lug.
Remover spark plug, spins like crazy.
Attached car battery. Will not spin past compression stroke. Remove spark plug. Spins like crazy.
Attach compression gauge, struggles with partial spins, but got 100 psi , so it may register more if the engine could spin enough to give a good test.
So, why, if all parameters measure good, will the starter not get past compression?
Thank you,'
J
Looks like Ohio has 431, NY has 589, NC has 612, TX has 53, and UT has 214, and IA is out of stock but that is PD's version of a Amazon warehouse with robot picking and the robot AI hasn't learned to order it's own replacement stock yet. Iowa is always the first warehouse to run out of stock, and the last warehouse to get restocked.This is all adding up to a failed compression release. Aftermarket cams are junk and genuine Briggs are on backorder the last time I had to get one.
On top of it, the starter has likely been strained repeatedly and will soon fail once the cam problem is solved.
Very well could be the compression release failed.This is all adding up to a failed compression release. Aftermarket cams are junk and genuine Briggs are on backorder the last time I had to get one.
On top of it, the starter has likely been strained repeatedly and will soon fail once the cam problem is solved.
Some people have trouble listening and learning. Some people think their skills exceed reality. Most people, gratefully, are not like this.After 18 replies, 3 different starter replacement attempts and jumping with a vehicle battery, the obvious that has been explained is not sinking in.
This seems to be stuck in a "let's replace something loop"... valve adjustment does not compute. No capability?
The compression release on your cam is broken, or your valves need adjusted. There's a little nub that cracks open the intake valve just a hair to relieve the compression. Once the motor starts centrifugal force will pull the nub in and it runs normal. Very common problem on the B&S motors.Model 33R777
Type 0003 G1
Code 190214ZD
Single cylinder.
Will not spin past compression stroke.
Battery measures 12.8 v. Starter is new (and all this was tried with 2 used starters as well, so 3 different starters).
Battery connections cleaned, starter relay connections cleaned.
Battery voltage measures 12.7 all the way to the starter; battery, starter relay input, starter relay output, starter lug.
Remover spark plug, spins like crazy.
Attached car battery. Will not spin past compression stroke. Remove spark plug. Spins like crazy.
Attach compression gauge, struggles with partial spins, but got 100 psi , so it may register more if the engine could spin enough to give a good test.
So, why, if all parameters measure good, will the starter not get past compression?
Thank you,'
J
Check the compression release, those were notorious for the spring breaking.Model 33R777
Type 0003 G1
Code 190214ZD
Single cylinder.
Will not spin past compression stroke.
Battery measures 12.8 v. Starter is new (and all this was tried with 2 used starters as well, so 3 different starters).
Battery connections cleaned, starter relay connections cleaned.
Battery voltage measures 12.7 all the way to the starter; battery, starter relay input, starter relay output, starter lug.
Remover spark plug, spins like crazy.
Attached car battery. Will not spin past compression stroke. Remove spark plug. Spins like crazy.
Attach compression gauge, struggles with partial spins, but got 100 psi , so it may register more if the engine could spin enough to give a good test.
So, why, if all parameters measure good, will the starter not get past compression?
Thank you,'
J
Open the crankcase cover and replace camshaft. There is a decompressor on your camshaft that slightly opens the exhaust valve during cranking. It does that to release compression s it won't be difficult to turn. Same thing as on pull start engines.Model 33R777
Type 0003 G1
Code 190214ZD
Single cylinder.
Will not spin past compression stroke.
Battery measures 12.8 v. Starter is new (and all this was tried with 2 used starters as well, so 3 different starters).
Battery connections cleaned, starter relay connections cleaned.
Battery voltage measures 12.7 all the way to the starter; battery, starter relay input, starter relay output, starter lug.
Remover spark plug, spins like crazy.
Attached car battery. Will not spin past compression stroke. Remove spark plug. Spins like crazy.
Attach compression gauge, struggles with partial spins, but got 100 psi , so it may register more if the engine could spin enough to give a good test.
So, why, if all parameters measure good, will the starter not get past compression?
Thank you,'
J
Adjust the valves if no help then compression release not working.Model 33R777
Type 0003 G1
Code 190214ZD
Single cylinder.
Will not spin past compression stroke.
Battery measures 12.8 v. Starter is new (and all this was tried with 2 used starters as well, so 3 different starters).
Battery connections cleaned, starter relay connections cleaned.
Battery voltage measures 12.7 all the way to the starter; battery, starter relay input, starter relay output, starter lug.
Remover spark plug, spins like crazy.
Attached car battery. Will not spin past compression stroke. Remove spark plug. Spins like crazy.
Attach compression gauge, struggles with partial spins, but got 100 psi , so it may register more if the engine could spin enough to give a good test.
So, why, if all parameters measure good, will the starter not get past compression?
Thank you,'
J
Sorry if this has already been said, but you have compression issue trying readjusting the valves if that doesn't work you probably have a bad camshaft that's not working the decompression release. Good luck.Model 33R777
Type 0003 G1
Code 190214ZD
Single cylinder.
Will not spin past compression stroke.
Battery measures 12.8 v. Starter is new (and all this was tried with 2 used starters as well, so 3 different starters).
Battery connections cleaned, starter relay connections cleaned.
Battery voltage measures 12.7 all the way to the starter; battery, starter relay input, starter relay output, starter lug.
Remover spark plug, spins like crazy.
Attached car battery. Will not spin past compression stroke. Remove spark plug. Spins like crazy.
Attach compression gauge, struggles with partial spins, but got 100 psi , so it may register more if the engine could spin enough to give a good test.
So, why, if all parameters measure good, will the starter not get past compression?
Thank you,'
J
It's early, and I'm still having my coffee, so I may just be dense this morning, but this doesn't compute. Can you explain the logic between covering the intake and that action letting the starter spin the engine through the compression cycle? Is the idea that you starve the cylinder of air so there's not as much compression with the cardboard over it?Will almost guarantee its yiur compression release spring. Simply cover the intake on the air box assembly with a piece of cardboard and try it. Once it fires up remove the cardboard and it will run fine as the spring only comes into play to start it. Shame it requires a teardown to fix a two dollar part.
Yes that is exactly what's happening. You have to remove the engine and remove the bottom cover and remove the camshaft and replace it with a new one. They are not a lot of money from Amazon. It's hard to explain how it works but they use a centrifugal mechanism to open the intake valve slightly to relieve the compression while cranking. Once the engine fires up the centrifugal weight pops out so it works normally.I found something on the net about a valve release system built into the cam shaft that relieves a bit of pressure so the starter can spin. The failure led to metal pieces in the sump and the need to replace the cam shaft.
Could this be my issue?
J
It’s probably your cam there is a little piece on the cam that is a compression release that lets the starter turn over the engine. After the engine starts the centrifugal force of the cam spinning moves it out of the way to let it build full compression.Model 33R777
Type 0003 G1
Code 190214ZD
Single cylinder.
Will not spin past compression stroke.
Battery measures 12.8 v. Starter is new (and all this was tried with 2 used starters as well, so 3 different starters).
Battery connections cleaned, starter relay connections cleaned.
Battery voltage measures 12.7 all the way to the starter; battery, starter relay input, starter relay output, starter lug.
Remover spark plug, spins like crazy.
Attached car battery. Will not spin past compression stroke. Remove spark plug. Spins like crazy.
Attach compression gauge, struggles with partial spins, but got 100 psi , so it may register more if the engine could spin enough to give a good test.
So, why, if all parameters measure good, will the starter not get past compression?
Thank you,'
J
Cam # 793880 ,gasket # 697110, and new seal #795387Model 33R777
Type 0003 G1
Code 190214ZD
Single cylinder.
Will not spin past compression stroke.
Battery measures 12.8 v. Starter is new (and all this was tried with 2 used starters as well, so 3 different starters).
Battery connections cleaned, starter relay connections cleaned.
Battery voltage measures 12.7 all the way to the starter; battery, starter relay input, starter relay output, starter lug.
Remover spark plug, spins like crazy.
Attached car battery. Will not spin past compression stroke. Remove spark plug. Spins like crazy.
Attach compression gauge, struggles with partial spins, but got 100 psi , so it may register more if the engine could spin enough to give a good test.
So, why, if all parameters measure good, will the starter not get past compression?
Thank you,'
J
Hi Andy,This is something that happens a lot with these Briggs engines. I have repaired several with a way that a lot of the hard core mechanics will disagree with but add a set screw in the spot where the compression release lever rests until it starts. It is just like the camshafts were back in the day when Briggs advertised their Easy spin starting. It is just a small lump on the intake valve to release the compression when starting. Works the same as the existing lever as the set screw is rounded and only protrudes .013 of an inch so that it does not affect the running of the engine but solves the problem with the starting using a 25 cent screw and a little time since the engine has to be removed anyway. Agree or not, just food for the thought but it works for me with no complications.
If you look at the cylinder you will see ridges in the wall. The piston is cocking and jams. Have experienced this on a 2 cycle.Model 33R777
Type 0003 G1
Code 190214ZD
Single cylinder.
Will not spin past compression stroke.
Battery measures 12.8 v. Starter is new (and all this was tried with 2 used starters as well, so 3 different starters).
Battery connections cleaned, starter relay connections cleaned.
Battery voltage measures 12.7 all the way to the starter; battery, starter relay input, starter relay output, starter lug.
Remover spark plug, spins like crazy.
Attached car battery. Will not spin past compression stroke. Remove spark plug. Spins like crazy.
Attach compression gauge, struggles with partial spins, but got 100 psi , so it may register more if the engine could spin enough to give a good test.
So, why, if all parameters measure good, will the starter not get past compression?
Thank you,'
J
Next one that I will post a picHi Andy,
I remember those early "easy spin cams" but I also recall they sacrificed engine torque for easier starting.
From the sound of it, this would make a fixed permanent compression release.
I'm curious to see this design proposal, can you provide a picture example? How does this set screw affect the tappet face?
Ha! Reminds me of my minibike days from decades ago. Minibike had a 4HP or so B&S engine, and the 'approved' hot-up procedure (I read about it in a magazine) was to tighten up the governor spring a little, drill a smallish hole in the big-end for better splash lubrication, and off-hand grind the compression-relief lump off the heel of the cam. Yep, it was way harder to pull to start with the end result I had to re-rope the pull starter many times - became an expert at that in time!Why does a compression release exist? For the weak human pulling the cord. No engine equipped with a starter should ever require a compression release.
And no amount of adjustment of the valves will fix a worn compression release cam lobe. Drain your oil and look for sparklies. May be worse than you think.
IModel 33R777
Type 0003 G1
Code 190214ZD
Single cylinder.
Will not spin past compression stroke.
Battery measures 12.8 v. Starter is new (and all this was tried with 2 used starters as well, so 3 different starters).
Battery connections cleaned, starter relay connections cleaned.
Battery voltage measures 12.7 all the way to the starter; battery, starter relay input, starter relay output, starter lug.
Remover spark plug, spins like crazy.
Attached car battery. Will not spin past compression stroke. Remove spark plug. Spins like crazy.
Attach compression gauge, struggles with partial spins, but got 100 psi , so it may register more if the engine could spin enough to give a good test.
So, why, if all parameters measure good, will the starter not get past compression?
Thank you,'
J
Thanks for this tip. I had the same problem and adjusting valves did helpStep 1). Load test battery and clean and tighten all connections.
Step 2). Check valve clearance and adjust as needed.
Step 3). Listen, learn, and don’t overthink things.
Model 33R777
The compression release is on the intake valve.
It dumps some compression when the piston is just before TDC if the intake valve lash is .003-.005 with the piston 1/4 inch past TDC. .003 slowly turn the engine on the compression stroke and just before TDC you should see the intake valve stem just slightly bump towards open then re-close just before TDC. If you do not see this bump up the compression release on the camshaft might be bad.
Lot of information on-line about compression release on the single cylinder Briggs Intek engines and failure of the compression release and how to adjust the valves to get a compression release.
If the valve lash is at .003 and it still won't crank through insert a .002 feeler gauge under the rocker arm so as to take the lash to .001 and test crank.
Ignore compression readings for now.
Type 0003 G1
Code 190214ZD
Single cylinder.
Will not spin past compression stroke.
Battery measures 12.8 v. Starter is new (and all this was tried with 2 used starters as well, so 3 different starters).
Battery connections cleaned, starter relay connections cleaned.
Battery voltage measures 12.7 all the way to the starter; battery, starter relay input, starter relay output, starter lug.
Remover spark plug, spins like crazy.
Attached car battery. Will not spin past compression stroke. Remove spark plug. Spins like crazy.
Attach compression gauge, struggles with partial spins, but got 100 psi , so it may register more if the engine could spin enough to give a good test.
So, why, if all parameters measure good, will the starter not get past compression?
Thank you,'
J
I had a Briggs and Stratton that did exact same thing, Almost pulled my hair out trying to figure it out! Engine would spin great without spark plug. Turned out it was the manual decompression located on cam. Nearly took to dump before i found problem, Bought an OEM on amazon for about $80. plus crankcase gasket and seals. total cost around $100. Was an easy fix except for old gasket removal. Engine runs wonderful now and has for several years.Model 33R777
Type 0003 G1
Code 190214ZD
Single cylinder.
Will not spin past compression stroke.
Battery measures 12.8 v. Starter is new (and all this was tried with 2 used starters as well, so 3 different starters).
Battery connections cleaned, starter relay connections cleaned.
Battery voltage measures 12.7 all the way to the starter; battery, starter relay input, starter relay output, starter lug.
Remover spark plug, spins like crazy.
Attached car battery. Will not spin past compression stroke. Remove spark plug. Spins like crazy.
Attach compression gauge, struggles with partial spins, but got 100 psi , so it may register more if the engine could spin enough to give a good test.
So, why, if all parameters measure good, will the starter not get past compression?
Thank you,'
J