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The Last Straw...Honda HRR Wheels

Jul 24, 2013#1

lawn mower fanatic

Well...my Honda HRR's back wheels are completely done I think! They were smooth since they had no tread, but now they are getting holes...that's how far they are worn down! :confused2: Luckily I get my HRX back tomorrow! :thumbsup:

Jul 24, 2013#2

Ric

lawn mower fanatic said:
Well...my Honda HRR's back wheels are completely done I think! They were smooth since they had no tread, but now they are getting holes...that's how far they are worn down! :confused2: Luckily I get my HRX back tomorrow! :thumbsup:

That's seems to be one of Honda's problems, The wheels go then the drives. You can believe this or not but over the years I have owned 4 Honda Quadra Cut mowers and everyone did the same thing, the front wheel tread went to nothing and the piece that held them on the deck went to crap and the front wheels actually feel off the mower deck, but not before the drives went bad. The mowers would move forward but the drive would lock up when you tried to pull the mower backwards.

Jul 24, 2013#3

robert@honda

lawn mower fanatic said:
Well...my Honda HRR's back wheels are completely done I think!

Curious, any idea how many hours of use you got out of that set of wheels?

Jul 24, 2013#4

Lawnboy18

WOW!!! That's bad!

Jul 24, 2013#5

lawn mower fanatic

robert@honda said:
Curious, any idea how many hours of use you got out of that set of wheels?

I try to keep track with my HRX, but really don't with my HRR. But let's see. We bought this mower new in 2006. It was used residentially up until half way through 2011. The second half of 2011 I used it on maybe 4 yards a week. Then in 2012: the first half of 2012 I used it on maybe 10 lawns a week, and then the second half I got more customers but I bought the HRX so I split the lawns up between them. So maybe 7 lawns a week on the HRR then. But in 2013 it was back to being used on one lawn a week (or every 5 days), until the HRX had to go into the shop. It is not so much that I have an extraordinary amount of hours on it; it's more just from pushing the mower from house to house. But for the total number of hours on this machine, I would say ~500-750.

Jul 24, 2013#6

J

JSB33

So my yard is 100X300 minus the house and paved areas. I can cut in well under 2 hours, summer time its 1.5 hours. Figure 30ish cuts a year. That would be under 50 hours a year. (Actually in my case its much less as I use my Honda for trimming and full cuts only in the spring and fall or after heavy rain) So you are talking about 10-15 years of residential use. That is some pretty good wear on those tires.

Jul 24, 2013#7

lawn mower fanatic

JSB33 said:
So my yard is 100X300 minus the house and paved areas. I can cut in well under 2 hours, summer time its 1.5 hours. Figure 30ish cuts a year. That would be under 50 hours a year. (Actually in my case its much less as I use my Honda for trimming and full cuts only in the spring and fall or after heavy rain) So you are talking about 10-15 years of residential use. That is some pretty good wear on those tires.

I already have close to 500 hours on my HRX!

Jul 24, 2013#8

Carscw

Should have got a

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(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))

Jul 24, 2013#9

lawn mower fanatic

Carscw said:
Should have got a

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(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))

Nah, that's why I got the Honda HRX! :licking:

Jul 24, 2013#10

txzrider

I find it interesting what you said about the drive failing... my snapper(walk behind) does not get much use now.. but when I used it alot, it started this thing where it went forwrd but would not back up... turned out I had been neglecting the drive tranny oil. Checked it and it was low, refilled it and started changing it every so often and it never happened again.

Jul 24, 2013#11

Carscw

txzrider said:
I find it interesting what you said about the drive failing... my snapper(walk behind) does not get much use now.. but when I used it alot, it started this thing where it went forwrd but would not back up... turned out I had been neglecting the drive tranny oil. Checked it and it was low, refilled it and started changing it every so often and it never happened again.

You can not buy a better push mower than a snapper.
Every one else has tried and make a better cutting mower and has failed.
They are still the best mulching and bagging mower

Now I do not like their riding mowers. But if I ever was to get a zero turn it would be a snapper.

(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))

Jul 24, 2013#12

exotion

Buy a set of hr215 tires off amazon they are like 20ish dollars takes a few minutes to figure how to swap them onto the oem wheels. But worth it while you have the wheel off clean off the gunk from the gears and re grease

Jul 24, 2013#13

lawn mower fanatic

Carscw said:
You can not buy a better push mower than a snapper.
Every one else has tried and make a better cutting mower and has failed.
They are still the best mulching and bagging mower

I know some will agree and some will disagree, but I think Honda mowers are some of the best mulchers around. I think Honda, Toro, and Snapper are the best. :thumbsup:

Jul 24, 2013#14

exotion

lawn mower fanatic said:
I know some will agree and some will disagree, but I think Honda mowers are some of the best mulchers around. I think Honda, Toro, and Snapper are the best. :thumbsup:

I disagree. I think honda motors are great the rest is kinda junky (look at your wheels) toro is cheap there are so many models with so many different features with every possible price and mostly what I've seen has been garbage. Commercial toro is good. I have no experience with any snapper.

Jul 24, 2013#15

lawn mower fanatic

exotion said:
I disagree. I think honda motors are great the rest is kinda junky (look at your wheels) toro is cheap there are so many models with so many different features with every possible price and mostly what I've seen has been garbage. Commercial toro is good. I have no experience with any snapper.

Well I won't go back to an HRR after having the HRX! And the HRX's wheels are different than the HRR's....more rubber, less plastic.

Jul 24, 2013#16

LawnBoy97

Carscw said:
You can not buy a better push mower than a snapper.
Every one else has tried and make a better cutting mower and has failed.
They are still the best mulching and bagging mower

Now I do not like their riding mowers. But if I ever was to get a zero turn it would be a snapper.

(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))

I think I would have to agree with this, in most cases. I REALLY like the self-propelled, so many speeds, and so simple. I also love the thick steel decks, my Snapper I started my business with (Ha, one yard a week, plus my own) looks nearly new, besides some dirt and an off-shade of red. They are fantastic side dischargers, while most just spew out clumps of cow chow, these spread a thin layer of fine blades of grass. And finally, they SUCK! Now by suck, I mean in a good way. They really are HI VAC. While mulching, you can turn most leaves into a fine dust, and while side discharging you can clear sidewalks in seconds. You can actually see the grass being pulled from the concrete.

Now I do like the Honda mowers even though I only have one. They are great mulchers, and I haven't even heard mine get bogged down in tall grass yet, and the four lawns I mowed with it so far this week had some pretty tall grass. But the mower just purrs right along. Now it didn't cut too great in the tall stuff, but that is pretty common, so whatever. The wheels on my mower happen to be beautiful, with tons of tread, but then again that may be due to the fact that the transmission is shot:thumbdown:. (or at least has issues)

Toro, ehhh. I like them, but not that much. The ones that I have used mulch great, but it just seems like they are missing something. Now I do like my older Toro with a Suzuki 4-cycle. Although it seems to have no compression, it runs great, and cuts great as well. I'm currently in the process of repainting it (thread to come later).

So if anything, I think that a Snapper Hi Vac deck, with a Honda engine would be the best mower ever.:cool2:

Jul 25, 2013#17

J

JSB33

exotion said:
I disagree. I think honda motors are great the rest is kinda junky (look at your wheels)

You really think that Honda mowers are "junky" based on tires that wore out at 500-700 hours? (with many street miles according to LMF)
Its their lower end homeowner mower being used commercially, if anything I think it proves that its one hell of a mower.

And I can attest that the Honda (at least the HRX) is a very good mulcher. And that it mulches way, way better than the Toro Recycler that I had before. Its no comparison.
I do love the Snappers, I still wish I had one. They priced me out of the market though.

Jul 25, 2013#18

lawn mower fanatic

LawnBoy97 said:
I think I would have to agree with this, in most cases. I REALLY like the self-propelled, so many speeds, and so simple. I also love the thick steel decks, my Snapper I started my business with (Ha, one yard a week, plus my own) looks nearly new, besides some dirt and an off-shade of red. They are fantastic side dischargers, while most just spew out clumps of cow chow, these spread a thin layer of fine blades of grass. And finally, they SUCK! Now by suck, I mean in a good way. They really are HI VAC. While mulching, you can turn most leaves into a fine dust, and while side discharging you can clear sidewalks in seconds. You can actually see the grass being pulled from the concrete.

Now I do like the Honda mowers even though I only have one. They are great mulchers, and I haven't even heard mine get bogged down in tall grass yet, and the four lawns I mowed with it so far this week had some pretty tall grass. But the mower just purrs right along. Now it didn't cut too great in the tall stuff, but that is pretty common, so whatever. The wheels on my mower happen to be beautiful, with tons of tread, but then again that may be due to the fact that the transmission is shot:thumbdown:. (or at least has issues)

Toro, ehhh. I like them, but not that much. The ones that I have used mulch great, but it just seems like they are missing something. Now I do like my older Toro with a Suzuki 4-cycle. Although it seems to have no compression, it runs great, and cuts great as well. I'm currently in the process of repainting it (thread to come later).

So if anything, I think that a Snapper Hi Vac deck, with a Honda engine would be the best mower ever.:cool2:

I think my favorite part of Snapper mowers are the controls. I like how the throttle lever is just a small thing on the one side. Can't really describe it, but you know what I mean!

Jul 25, 2013#19

exotion

JSB33 said:
You really think that Honda mowers are "junky" based on tires that wore out at 500-700 hours? (with many street miles according to LMF)
Its their lower end homeowner mower being used commercially, if anything I think it proves that its one hell of a mower.

And I can attest that the Honda (at least the HRX) is a very good mulcher. And that it mulches way, way better than the Toro Recycler that I had before. Its no comparison.
I do love the Snappers, I still wish I had one. They priced me out of the market though.

They wear out at about 100 hrs he just let them go for that long. They use inferior parts at lease on the hrr seems like the parts they use is to make the hrx look that much better.

Oh and lmf I believe that thing on one side is either blade or drive not throttle

Jul 25, 2013#20

Ric

JSB33 said:
You really think that Honda mowers are "junky" based on tires that wore out at 500-700 hours? (with many street miles according to LMF)
Its their lower end homeowner mower being used commercially, if anything I think it proves that its one hell of a mower.

And I can attest that the Honda (at least the HRX) is a very good mulcher. And that it mulches way, way better than the Toro Recycler that I had before. Its no comparison.
I do love the Snappers, I still wish I had one. They priced me out of the market though.

exotion said:
They wear out at about 100 hrs he just let them go for that long. They use inferior parts at lease on the hrr seems like the parts they use is to make the hrx look that much better.

Oh and lmf I believe that thing on one side is either blade or drive not throttle

I kinda have to agree with exotion on this one. The Honda wheels aren't the greatest thing going but for that fact most push mower wheels aren't the best in the world. When you consider the average homeowner uses his mower maybe 30 minutes a week that's only two hours a month. If he mows for say 9 months a year it's only 18 hours a year so if the wheels wear out in the five years he used the mower to do his own lawn that's only like 90 to 100 hours give or take.

Jul 25, 2013#21

lawn mower fanatic

exotion said:
Oh and lmf I believe that thing on one side is either blade or drive not throttle

Yeah that's what I meant...the drive.

Jul 25, 2013#22

Carscw

Looking at the pic the the throttle is on the left

On the right is the speed selector

Top left lever is to engage the drive

(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))

Jul 25, 2013#23

LawnBoy97

I feel like wheels are wheels. They wear out, either around the bolt, or the tread, and you have to replace them. You replace tires on your car every so often, and I don't see a difference with doing that for lawn mowers. Maybe we need some good pneumatic wheels, or even wheels with metal tread!:thumbsup:

Jul 25, 2013#24

Ric

Carscw said:
You can not buy a better push mower than a snapper.
Every one else has tried and make a better cutting mower and has failed.
They are still the best mulching and bagging mower

Now I do not like their riding mowers. But if I ever was to get a zero turn it would be a snapper.

(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))

Now this may have been true years passed but not anymore. To many Company's too many mowers that are way ahead of Snapper. I kinda view Snapper like the Honda, they make a good mower yes and they have proven themselves in the residential market but until I see them being used in the commercial market I don't believe they are all that great a mower.

Jul 25, 2013#25

lawn mower fanatic

Ric said:
Now this may have been true years passed but not anymore. To many Company's too many mowers that are way ahead of Snapper. I kinda view Snapper like the Honda, they make a good mower yes and they have proven themselves in the residential market but until I see them being used in the commercial market I don't believe they are all that great a mower.

Well what do you think is the best 21 in. push mower for the commercial operator?

Jul 25, 2013#26

exotion

LawnBoy97 said:
I feel like wheels are wheels. They wear out, either around the bolt, or the tread, and you have to replace them. You replace tires on your car every so often, and I don't see a difference with doing that for lawn mowers. Maybe we need some good pneumatic wheels, or even wheels with metal tread!:thumbsup:

Wheels are wheels yes but it was getting bad I was having to replace them monthly untill I got the hr215 tires. Think about that 40 dollars a month in tires apx 10 a month in oil. 5 dollars every 3 months for a belt 30 every 3 months for blades and a yearly 15 for plug and filter. 7 months of mowing that's 375 dollars a year in just maintenance. That's why I found different solutions for these things in my thread "bought a new honda" you can see it. If ihad to do it again I wouldn't buy the honda.

The best 21 for commercial in my opinion is the toro proline. Hands down.

Jul 25, 2013#27

lawn mower fanatic

exotion said:
The best 21 for commercial in my opinion is the toro proline. Hands down.

~80% of the commercial operators around here have Honda HRX's. :licking:

Jul 25, 2013#28

Carscw

Cutting Options 2-in-1 (Side-Discharge/Mulch)
Material 14-Gauge
Construction Welded
Blades 1 Blade
Positions 7 Positions
Cutting Height 1.25-4.0 Inches

Front Axle Stamped Steel
Front Tire Size 8 Inch
Rear Tire Size 10 Inch
Tire Type Solid Rubber

HP/CC 190 cc
Torque 8.5 ft-lbs Net Torque
Fuel Tank Size 0.25 Gallon
Cycles 4-Cycle
Oil Filter Yes

Snapper CRP218520 (21") Commercial Ninja Self-Propelled Mulching Lawn Mower

Only $650.00.

(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))

Jul 25, 2013#29

Ric

lawn mower fanatic said:
Well what do you think is the best 21 in. push mower for the commercial operator?

What I think are the best commercial mowers on the market right now would be, I'd have to say The Toro and Exmark with the Kawasaki engines. The thing is as far as top rated mowers go you can visit ten different places and get a list of the top 10 rated mowers on the market and every list will be different and have different mowers. I think if you honestly want to know what is the best the way to find out, is watch the professional maintenance crews on some of the golf courses, or that maintain these 2000 home sub-divisions and see what they are using. Talk to some of the owners and ask why they run what they have and why.

Jul 25, 2013#30

Ric

Carscw said:
Cutting Options 2-in-1 (Side-Discharge/Mulch)
Material 14-Gauge
Construction Welded
Blades 1 Blade
Positions 7 Positions
Cutting Height 1.25-4.0 Inches

Front Axle Stamped Steel
Front Tire Size 8 Inch
Rear Tire Size 10 Inch
Tire Type Solid Rubber

HP/CC 190 cc
Torque 8.5 ft-lbs Net Torque
Fuel Tank Size 0.25 Gallon
Cycles 4-Cycle
Oil Filter Yes

Snapper CRP218520 (21") Commercial Ninja Self-Propelled Mulching Lawn Mower

Only $650.00.

View attachment 16008

(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))

Engine	Kawasakiｮ FJ180V 179cc Commercial
Fuel Capacity	1 Gallon (3.8 L)
Mowing Speed	Variable up to 4.1 mph (6.56 kmh)
Cutting Width	30"
Height of Cut	1.5" to 5" in 0.5" increments (38 to 127 mm in 13 mm increments)
Number of Blades	2
Starter	Recoil
Deck Material	13 Gauge Steel
Mulch, Bag, Side Discharge	Standard
Weight	167 lbs. (dry, mulch mode)
Warranty	1-Year Limited Commercial Use 2-Year Limited Commercial Use Engine*
Bagger Capacity	2.5 Bushels
Blade Design	(2) .135" thick steel
Blade Engagement	Blade Stop System (BSS)
Blade Tip Speed	18,000+ ft/min
Engine Displacement	179cc
Height	27"
Length	37"
Spindle Housing	Die Cast Spindle, 17mm cold formed spindle shafts
Tires	8" x 2.25" front, 10" x 3" rear rubber tires with co-polymer wheels
Transmission	Variable Speed, Rear Wheel Drive
Width	33"

Toro Turfmaster

Jul 25, 2013#31

Carscw

I agree as far as walk behind and and zero turn mowers and especially for golf course or sports fields toro is number one ( I have a few toro mowers )

When it comes to a 21 inch push mower I still like snapper. ( do not like snapper rer )

(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))

Jul 25, 2013#32

Ric

Carscw said:
I agree as far as walk behind and and zero turn mowers and especially for golf course or sports fields toro is number one ( I have a few toro mowers )

When it comes to a 21 inch push mower I still like snapper. ( do not like snapper rer )

(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))

If I had the choice between the Honda and the Snapper I'd pick the Snapper. Just do to the fact that it's a Forced Lubrication w/Filter. I my opinion any mower that incorporates a splash oil system isn't suitable for commercial use.

Jul 25, 2013#33

exotion

Carscw said:
Cutting Options 2-in-1 (Side-Discharge/Mulch)
Material 14-Gauge
Construction Welded
Blades 1 Blade
Positions 7 Positions
Cutting Height 1.25-4.0 Inches

Front Axle Stamped Steel
Front Tire Size 8 Inch
Rear Tire Size 10 Inch
Tire Type Solid Rubber

HP/CC 190 cc
Torque 8.5 ft-lbs Net Torque
Fuel Tank Size 0.25 Gallon
Cycles 4-Cycle
Oil Filter Yes

Snapper CRP218520 (21") Commercial Ninja Self-Propelled Mulching Lawn Mower

Only $650.00.

<img src="http://www.lawnmowerforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16008"/>

(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))

I do like that mower and the price tag is good to. Is this the model that has the tube out the side into a bagger? Also does it have a bbc?

Jul 25, 2013#34

lawn mower fanatic

exotion said:
I do like that mower and the price tag is good to. Is this the model that has the tube out the side into a bagger? Also does it have a bbc?

No BBC and no side tube since it's a Ninja Mulcher. I was thinking about getting this mower.

Jul 25, 2013#35

exotion

lawn mower fanatic said:
No BBC and no side tube since it's a Ninja Mulcher. I was thinking about getting this mower.

I wish it could bag or I would probably buy it.

Jul 25, 2013#36

Carscw

Ok here's the deal but don't tell anyone

You can get a kit so you can bag.

If you ever get one I can look in my files and get the part number.

Now snapper will tell you they don't sell a kit for this mower but they do

(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))

Jul 25, 2013#37

lawn mower fanatic

exotion said:
I wish it could bag or I would probably buy it.

Carscw said:
Ok here's the deal but don't tell anyone

You can get a kit so you can bag.

If you ever get one I can look in my files and get the part number.

Now snapper will tell you they don't sell a kit for this mower but they do

(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))

Or get this: HI VAC® Push Mower

Jul 25, 2013#38

Ric

exotion said:
I wish it could bag or I would probably buy it.

If you are talking about that ninja CRP218520 it comes with a bagger? My problem with buying the mower is the fact it only has a 90 day commercial warranty.

Jul 25, 2013#39

lawn mower fanatic

Ric said:
The thing is as far as top rated mowers go you can visit ten different places and get a list of the top 10 rated mowers on the market and every list will be different and have different mowers.

But Honda is consistently on top. :licking:

Best Self-Propelled Lawn Mowers - Top-Rated & Best-Selling Self-Propelled Mowers
Best Lawn Mowers - Top 6 Lawn Mower Reviews
Consumer Reports: Honda Tops List Of Lawn Mowers For Performance, Value - Hartford Courant

"Consumer Reports' latest mower tests show that Honda is on a roll for performance and value. Testers also found some bargain-priced riders, including two new models from Troy-Bilt that turn on a dime and are as close as your nearest Lowe's.
Honda took four of the five top spots among the multispeed, self-propelled mowers most people buy. But you don't have to buy the $700 HRX217VKA to get a stellar machine; the brand's new HRR216VKA costs $479 and scored just two points lower overall. A well-placed bump beneath the deck helped it ace the mulching tests by sending clippings back into the blade. And like the other new Hondas, it toggles between mulching and bagging with a flip of a lever."

Jul 25, 2013#40

exotion

Ric said:
If you are talking about that ninja CRP218520 it comes with a bagger? My problem with buying the mower is the fact it only has a 90 day commercial warranty.

I understand commercial warranty's but really commercial users (the smart ones anyway) are kinda small engine mechanics as a side effect and a warranty while nice but unnecessary because most problems can be taken care of by the user. I believe you should not run a lawn care business if you cannot fix and maintain your machines properly.

Warranty is good for the person who does not know how to fix things. This is one of many reasons I am ok with residential quality equipment as I can fix just about anything on them. Also my entire trailer full of equipment can be replaced with 1 grand easy if something crazy happened. The snapper here looks like a good quality machine and its in my price range (easily replaced) and its on my radar if and when my honda actually dies.

Jul 25, 2013#41

Ric

lawn mower fanatic said:
Well what do you think is the best 21 in. push mower for the commercial operator?

Ric said:
What I think are the best commercial mowers on the market right now would be, I'd have to say The Toro and Exmark with the Kawasaki engines. The thing is as far as top rated mowers go you can visit ten different places and get a list of the top 10 rated mowers on the market and every list will be different and have different mowers. I think if you honestly want to know what is the best the way to find out, is watch the professional maintenance crews on some of the golf courses, or that maintain these 2000 home sub-divisions and see what they are using. Talk to some of the owners and ask why they run what they have and why.

lawn mower fanatic said:
But Honda is consistently on top. :licking:

Best Self-Propelled Lawn Mowers - Top-Rated & Best-Selling Self-Propelled Mowers

Best Lawn Mowers - Top 6 Lawn Mower Reviews

Consumer Reports: Honda Tops List Of Lawn Mowers For Performance, Value - Hartford Courant

"Consumer Reports' latest mower tests show that Honda is on a roll for performance and value. Testers also found some bargain-priced riders, including two new models from Troy-Bilt that turn on a dime and are as close as your nearest Lowe's.
Honda took four of the five top spots among the multispeed, self-propelled mowers most people buy. But you don't have to buy the $700 HRX217VKA to get a stellar machine; the brand's new HRR216VKA costs $479 and scored just two points lower overall. A well-placed bump beneath the deck helped it ace the mulching tests by sending clippings back into the blade. And like the other new Hondas, it toggles between mulching and bagging with a flip of a lever."

Yes I agree Honda does show up on top, the problem is there all Residential Entry and Mid Grade Level Rated mowers with a 90 day commercial warranty, not the Commercial HRC series.

Jul 25, 2013#42

Ric

exotion said:
I understand commercial warranty's but really commercial users (the smart ones anyway) are kinda small engine mechanics as a side effect and a warranty while nice but unnecessary because most problems can be taken care of by the user. I believe you should not run a lawn care business if you cannot fix and maintain your machines properly.

Warranty is good for the person who does not know how to fix things. This is one of many reasons I am ok with residential quality equipment as I can fix just about anything on them. Also my entire trailer full of equipment can be replaced with 1 grand easy if something crazy happened. The snapper here looks like a good quality machine and its in my price range (easily replaced) and its on my radar if and when my honda actually dies.

I agree with what you say but the warranty is not about fixing your mower or how good you are with fixing things, it's about replacement. A year ago july 4th I purchased a Toro Grandstand, now lets say next month I should have a drive unit or a PTO go bad, or the motor goes bad, who's going to pay for that? With the 5Year 1200 hour warranty they pay for everything, it doesn't come out of my pocket or the business funds. Right now you say my entire trailer full of equipment can be replaced with 1 grand easy and that's fine if you want to work through Home Depot with bottom of the line homeowner equipment but I dare say if and when you drop 8 to 10 K on one mower your philosophy about the business will change.

Jul 25, 2013#43

exotion

Ric said:
I agree with what you say but the warranty is not about fixing your mower or how good you are with fixing things, it's about replacement. A year ago july 4th I purchased a Toro Grandstand, now lets say next month I should have a drive unit or a PTO go bad, or the motor goes bad, who's going to pay for that? With the 5Year 1200 hour warranty they pay for everything, it doesn't come out of my pocket or the business funds. Right now you say my entire trailer full of equipment can be replaced with 1 grand easy and that's fine if you want to work through Home Depot with bottom of the line homeowner equipment but I dare say if and when you drop 8 to 10 K on one mower your philosophy about the business will change.

Yes this is true but I have no idea how I could justify spending 8 to 10k on a lawn mower. I could get a cheaper (in every sense of the word) mower such as my honda is cheap compared to proline that I can take the risk on for a fraction of that price. I wouldn't even want to be that big enough to need something of that magnitude. I could easily drop 10k into my mortgage or a new car or another house to rent out or whatever. I am definately not disagreeing with you at all if I did spend 10k on a mower it better be dam well protected warranty insurance etc I'm just saying its not always necessary

Jul 26, 2013#44

Ric

exotion said:
Yes this is true but I have no idea how I could justify spending 8 to 10k on a lawn mower. I could get a cheaper (in every sense of the word) mower such as my honda is cheap compared to proline that I can take the risk on for a fraction of that price. I wouldn't even want to be that big enough to need something of that magnitude. I could easily drop 10k into my mortgage or a new car or another house to rent out or whatever. I am definately not disagreeing with you at all if I did spend 10k on a mower it better be dam well protected warranty insurance etc I'm just saying its not always necessary

Time and profit margin is how you justify buying a Ztr or stander. In the lawn care business Time is money. A good ztr of some type can add 3 or more lawns to what you currently do in a day now by cutting the time in half on the lawns you do now with a push mower. If you add 3 or more clients a day to what your doing now , that's a minimum 15 new clients a week and that should take care of any mower payment and increase your profit margin.

Jul 26, 2013#45

Carscw

Ric said:
If you are talking about that ninja CRP218520 it comes with a bagger? My problem with buying the mower is the fact it only has a 90 day commercial warranty.

Your right this years model does come with a bag. Mine did not have a bag and could not get one they said.

When buying a mower I don't judge it on how long the warranty is. But will bring it to a shop before the warranty is up so they can go over it.

It is just faster to fix things myself

(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))

Jul 26, 2013#46

Ric

Carscw said:
Your right this years model does come with a bag. Mine did not have a bag and could not get one they said.

When buying a mower I don't judge it on how long the warranty is. But will bring it to a shop before the warranty is up so they can go over it.

It is just faster to fix things myself

(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))

The thing is fixing equipment is fine, I think everyone that's in the business should be able to fix there equipment to a point, but there are some things that you just not able to do and would cost a bunch of money to replace and I think, No I know that the warranty can or could save you a bundle in parts and labor.

Jul 26, 2013#47

Ric

lawn mower fanatic said:
But Honda is consistently on top. :licking:

Best Self-Propelled Lawn Mowers - Top-Rated & Best-Selling Self-Propelled Mowers

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Consumer Reports: Honda Tops List Of Lawn Mowers For Performance, Value - Hartford Courant

"Consumer Reports' latest mower tests show that Honda is on a roll for performance and value. Testers also found some bargain-priced riders, including two new models from Troy-Bilt that turn on a dime and are as close as your nearest Lowe's.
Honda took four of the five top spots among the multispeed, self-propelled mowers most people buy. But you don't have to buy the $700 HRX217VKA to get a stellar machine; the brand's new HRR216VKA costs $479 and scored just two points lower overall. A well-placed bump beneath the deck helped it ace the mulching tests by sending clippings back into the blade. And like the other new Hondas, it toggles between mulching and bagging with a flip of a lever."

It's like I said the lists are never the same. They say themselves We've compiled the best Top 10 lists of the best-selling, top-rated and expert recommended self-propelled mowers and there lists are not identical, there number 1 seller is the Husqvarna AWD.

Jul 31, 2013#48

C

ClydeO

Funny! My new (right out of the box) HRR2169VKA has the same problem with the rear wheels locking up and it has never cut any grass. It's going back to Home Depot tomorrow.

Jul 31, 2013#49

Ric

ClydeO said:
Funny! My new (right out of the box) HRR2169VKA has the same problem with the rear wheels locking up and it has never cut any grass. It's going back to Home Depot tomorrow.

Take it back and buy the Toro. Honda has had that problem for years and to my knowledge nobody has ever come up with a fix for the wheels locking. I've owned more than one and they have all done the same thing within in a few months of purchase, I'll never buy another Honda mower. :thumbdown:

Jul 31, 2013#50

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NJsnapper

Mr HHR bought used works perfectly. Wheels never locked up one time..

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