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States and locales banning sale of petrol powered tools in a coupla years
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1 Lucky Texan
I'd expect some other locales to announce soon too.
If you have gas-powered stuff, I'd pick up some spare parts and a muffler or 2. They may let you use some items (mowers?) that you already own, but when they are done-in, you may be forced to electric. There will probably be exceptions for g'mint and maybe licensed contractors....
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1 Lucky Texan
I'd expect some other locales to announce soon too.
If you have gas-powered stuff, I'd pick up some spare parts and a muffler or 2. They may let you use some items (mowers?) that you already own, but when they are done-in, you may be forced to electric. There will probably be exceptions for g'mint and maybe licensed contractors....
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Scrubcadet10
Scrubcadet10
oh, canada...
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1 Lucky Texan
wblk.com
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1 Lucky Texan
No More Gas-Powered Lawn Mowers? They May Be Banned in NY Soon
If you are a New Yorker who uses a gasoline-powered lawnmower or other yard equipment, you may have to look for other options.
wblk.com
#4
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fixit1ddh
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fixit1ddh
They better start buying batteries by the truckload. There going to need them. Maybe some sheep & goats also.
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upupandaway
In your case, the mowers will leave their truck running while they are cutting to charge up batteries to swap every other job.
upupandaway
On youtube there is a video where the guy shows a few Teslas- you know the "green vehicles" charging. Following the power cords, they go to a large diesel generator.They better start buying batteries by the truckload. There going to need them. Maybe some sheep & goats also.
In your case, the mowers will leave their truck running while they are cutting to charge up batteries to swap every other job.
#6
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1 Lucky Texan
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1 Lucky Texan
I saw where Illinois is considering a similar ban.
Likely a boom in small engine repair for some years until they find a way to ban USE of small i.c.e. tools. Probably, more subscribers to this site too.
Likely a boom in small engine repair for some years until they find a way to ban USE of small i.c.e. tools. Probably, more subscribers to this site too.
#7
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RayMcD
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RayMcD
Not if we run the STUID Democrates out of office... r
I'd expect some other locales to announce soon too.
If you have gas-powered stuff, I'd pick up some spare parts and a muffler or 2. They may let you use some items (mowers?) that you already own, but when they are done-in, you may be forced to electric. There will probably be exceptions for g'mint and maybe licensed contractors....
#8
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bertsmobile1
It is just the Democrats will do it sooner.
Enviromental pollution of the air is and always will be a scientific & technical problem.
Vested interests turned it into a political divisive one and shifted it from a right wing objective to a left wing problem.
This they thought would protect their profits forever but it backfired badly.
SO in place of a gradual transition over 50 to 100 years it was business as usual for 30 then a 10 year transition to almost zero sales and financial collapse of the oil gas & coal industries , but I suppose those who made the decisions won't really care as they fly their private jets to a Swiss mountain retreat ( that they bought with your money ) while you cook in your own home because you can not afford the power to run your air con nor the $ 40,000 to properly insulate your hose + the $ 50,000 needed to renovate it to become solar efficient.
We knew what needed to be done 40 years ago but we did the exact opposite so a tiny number of people could become richer than kings .
And they turned it into a political debate so while the Reds & Blues were busy blaming each other and fighting each other in the streets they could fill their pockets with both sides money, which they have done very well .
So now the badly designed & poorly constructed houses orientated the wrong way on blocks that never should have had a house built on them in the first place will cost a fortune to heat & cool as electricity prices rise and household gas ( which is more energy efficient ) is phased out completely.
So now you will have to buy new ovens & heaters ( made in a 3rd world country & sold to you for 20 times the purchase price ) so again the puppeteers will be stuffing your pockets with the profits from a situation that they created .
Then all of the poor efficency cheap imported air conditioners will need to be replaced with more environmentally friendly ones . ( more of your money in their pockets ) .
And I am not poking poo at Americans here, our Murdochs & Loweys have made billions from destroying the planet & communities and we as a population have been living in a fools paradise for 50 years on royalties till we have become too lazy to wipe our own bums .
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bertsmobile1
Nothing will change .Not if we run the STUID Democrates out of office... r
It is just the Democrats will do it sooner.
Enviromental pollution of the air is and always will be a scientific & technical problem.
Vested interests turned it into a political divisive one and shifted it from a right wing objective to a left wing problem.
This they thought would protect their profits forever but it backfired badly.
SO in place of a gradual transition over 50 to 100 years it was business as usual for 30 then a 10 year transition to almost zero sales and financial collapse of the oil gas & coal industries , but I suppose those who made the decisions won't really care as they fly their private jets to a Swiss mountain retreat ( that they bought with your money ) while you cook in your own home because you can not afford the power to run your air con nor the $ 40,000 to properly insulate your hose + the $ 50,000 needed to renovate it to become solar efficient.
We knew what needed to be done 40 years ago but we did the exact opposite so a tiny number of people could become richer than kings .
And they turned it into a political debate so while the Reds & Blues were busy blaming each other and fighting each other in the streets they could fill their pockets with both sides money, which they have done very well .
So now the badly designed & poorly constructed houses orientated the wrong way on blocks that never should have had a house built on them in the first place will cost a fortune to heat & cool as electricity prices rise and household gas ( which is more energy efficient ) is phased out completely.
So now you will have to buy new ovens & heaters ( made in a 3rd world country & sold to you for 20 times the purchase price ) so again the puppeteers will be stuffing your pockets with the profits from a situation that they created .
Then all of the poor efficency cheap imported air conditioners will need to be replaced with more environmentally friendly ones . ( more of your money in their pockets ) .
And I am not poking poo at Americans here, our Murdochs & Loweys have made billions from destroying the planet & communities and we as a population have been living in a fools paradise for 50 years on royalties till we have become too lazy to wipe our own bums .
#9
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mechanic mark
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mechanic mark
Don't take it personal bertsmobile1, what you have written was exactly my point. Battery powered vehicles are very dangerous! You do have a good sense of humor.
#10
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bertsmobile1
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bertsmobile1
No need to tell me about the dangers of EV's
In fact EV's are not more environmentally friendly that petrol powered cars and in most cases will be a lot worse unless you do a lot of miles a year .
But if you are a politican all you need to worry about is what comes out of the exhaust pipe ( or lack of one ) in your juristriction.
The amount of pollution generated in the creation of the vehicle does not matter because it happens outside your state or country so you can beat your chest about how good you are and pillory the governments where the EV's are made for their pollution .
Lithium is good power source for small items that need a steady supply of low current at a constant voltage
Things like computers, phones , watches .
They are marginal in high power requirement like tools such as drills , saws & mowers
They are pathetic for very heavy drain items like cars & trucks
Hydrogen burned in an IC engine is a much better solution and will probably be the choice for shipping, heavy transport & earth moving where the weight of the gas cylinders can be an advantage but until a safe method of delivery is worked out not viable for domestic vehicles .
For short trips then compressed air is a good solution & is being used in Delhi for airport taxis but won't tow your boat or caravan.
Then because people do stupid things there will be a big increase in house fires as home owners try to circumvent the fact that batteries or chargers are no longer availible for their drill. mower , chainsaw etc
For household off grid power I could not think of a worse solution than a lithium bomb bolted to the side of their house and every one seems to overlook that a lithium house packrequires quite a complicated cooling system to prevent it going critical which ranges from 75 to 90 deg C
For households , flow cells are a far better solution
For grid back up the molten metal batteries are far better
Neither of these can explode or burn no matter what you do to them .
But both are too bulky to use in vehicles at this point in time .
If the same number of EV's are made in a year as we currently make IC engines then there is not enough copper or cobalt available to do it .
In fact EV's are not more environmentally friendly that petrol powered cars and in most cases will be a lot worse unless you do a lot of miles a year .
But if you are a politican all you need to worry about is what comes out of the exhaust pipe ( or lack of one ) in your juristriction.
The amount of pollution generated in the creation of the vehicle does not matter because it happens outside your state or country so you can beat your chest about how good you are and pillory the governments where the EV's are made for their pollution .
Lithium is good power source for small items that need a steady supply of low current at a constant voltage
Things like computers, phones , watches .
They are marginal in high power requirement like tools such as drills , saws & mowers
They are pathetic for very heavy drain items like cars & trucks
Hydrogen burned in an IC engine is a much better solution and will probably be the choice for shipping, heavy transport & earth moving where the weight of the gas cylinders can be an advantage but until a safe method of delivery is worked out not viable for domestic vehicles .
For short trips then compressed air is a good solution & is being used in Delhi for airport taxis but won't tow your boat or caravan.
Then because people do stupid things there will be a big increase in house fires as home owners try to circumvent the fact that batteries or chargers are no longer availible for their drill. mower , chainsaw etc
For household off grid power I could not think of a worse solution than a lithium bomb bolted to the side of their house and every one seems to overlook that a lithium house packrequires quite a complicated cooling system to prevent it going critical which ranges from 75 to 90 deg C
For households , flow cells are a far better solution
For grid back up the molten metal batteries are far better
Neither of these can explode or burn no matter what you do to them .
But both are too bulky to use in vehicles at this point in time .
If the same number of EV's are made in a year as we currently make IC engines then there is not enough copper or cobalt available to do it .
#11
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MParr
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MParr
Where do all of the dead batteries go? Landfills. The same place all of the shot windmills and solar panels go.
Enjoy your coal powered outdoor equipment.
Enjoy your coal powered outdoor equipment.
#12
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hlw49
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hlw49
The problem with all this green new deal stuff and trying to save the planet is the rich are not he ones that are affected that bad. It is the working middle class and the poor who cannot afford to do all the things required to meet their standards. The politicians and the rich are not in touch with reality.
#13
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bertsmobile1
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bertsmobile1
Nothing wrong with green energy
Burning coal in old radient wall furnaces is probably the most dirty & wasteful way you can make electricity and doubly so if it is done with brown coal ( what we do here )
Gassifing the coal & burning it in direct fired turbines is a much better idea & recovers nearly twice the amount of energy per ton of coal and that is what all of the new power stations in China & India are using because they have to import the coal where as the USA & Oz are knee deep in the stuff.
But radient wall furnaces are very cheap to build and coal is too cheap.
If I produce solid or liquid waste from my factory no one would complain that I have to pay to have it collected & properly dispose off it.
If I need water or petrol or electricity to run my factory then no one would expect that I should get it for free
But if I consume massive amounts of oxygen from the air , apparently it is criminal to expect me to pay for it and even more abhorrent for me to pay for the waste gasses that I produce .
The tragedy is in most places there is more than enough roof spaces in the suburbs for solar cells to power the entire planet so there is very little need for all those ugly wind farms and if solar panels are intergrated into the actual roof, rather than just being tossed on top then they will also increase the insulation of the house because much of the energy will be converted to electricity rather than heating the roof , then the roof cavity then the house .
The only reason it is not done is to protect the profits of power stations .
China is about to open their second "research" liquid salt atomic power stations and their "research" stations are bigger than most power stations in Aust , using technology that the USA abandoned because they really wanted scrap atomic waste to be converted into warheads , not cheap clean electricity for the masses , which you could have had 30 years ago but the coal mines would not have made as much money which they use to pay the parties to mount election campains to make sure nothing changes.
India was due to open their first research reactor last year but Covid has that at least 2 years behind at the moment.
And the politicans are no where near as rich as the people whose pockets they reside in .
The real criminals are in Wall St , not the White House .
And in the USA non compulsory voting is how Wall St maintains this power because the parties need hundreds of millions to run election campaigns which produce thousands of tons of waste just to get you lot off your bums and down to the polling booths.
The media who also profit massively from all the election ho-ha keep on fanning the "right not to vote" as a democratic freedom and continue to make every American believe that being compelled to do anything will instantly turn the country into a 3rd world communist dictatorship while all the time they are bleeding you dry .
In the 2020 elections 14,4 billion was spent trying to get you lot to vote but still less than 1/2 the population voted 133, 000,000
So that means that the parties spent around $ 110 for each person who voted
If you factor in the candidate selection that number nearly doubles and all this is just what was declaired and did not include use of private jets to fly candidates and officals all over the country and the work volunteers put in doing things like driving people to poling booths.
Then you have to add all of the legal costs from challenges to results plus the actual cost of holding the election
Total cost down here was $ 8 per vote
Burning coal in old radient wall furnaces is probably the most dirty & wasteful way you can make electricity and doubly so if it is done with brown coal ( what we do here )
Gassifing the coal & burning it in direct fired turbines is a much better idea & recovers nearly twice the amount of energy per ton of coal and that is what all of the new power stations in China & India are using because they have to import the coal where as the USA & Oz are knee deep in the stuff.
But radient wall furnaces are very cheap to build and coal is too cheap.
If I produce solid or liquid waste from my factory no one would complain that I have to pay to have it collected & properly dispose off it.
If I need water or petrol or electricity to run my factory then no one would expect that I should get it for free
But if I consume massive amounts of oxygen from the air , apparently it is criminal to expect me to pay for it and even more abhorrent for me to pay for the waste gasses that I produce .
The tragedy is in most places there is more than enough roof spaces in the suburbs for solar cells to power the entire planet so there is very little need for all those ugly wind farms and if solar panels are intergrated into the actual roof, rather than just being tossed on top then they will also increase the insulation of the house because much of the energy will be converted to electricity rather than heating the roof , then the roof cavity then the house .
The only reason it is not done is to protect the profits of power stations .
China is about to open their second "research" liquid salt atomic power stations and their "research" stations are bigger than most power stations in Aust , using technology that the USA abandoned because they really wanted scrap atomic waste to be converted into warheads , not cheap clean electricity for the masses , which you could have had 30 years ago but the coal mines would not have made as much money which they use to pay the parties to mount election campains to make sure nothing changes.
India was due to open their first research reactor last year but Covid has that at least 2 years behind at the moment.
And the politicans are no where near as rich as the people whose pockets they reside in .
The real criminals are in Wall St , not the White House .
And in the USA non compulsory voting is how Wall St maintains this power because the parties need hundreds of millions to run election campaigns which produce thousands of tons of waste just to get you lot off your bums and down to the polling booths.
The media who also profit massively from all the election ho-ha keep on fanning the "right not to vote" as a democratic freedom and continue to make every American believe that being compelled to do anything will instantly turn the country into a 3rd world communist dictatorship while all the time they are bleeding you dry .
In the 2020 elections 14,4 billion was spent trying to get you lot to vote but still less than 1/2 the population voted 133, 000,000
So that means that the parties spent around $ 110 for each person who voted
If you factor in the candidate selection that number nearly doubles and all this is just what was declaired and did not include use of private jets to fly candidates and officals all over the country and the work volunteers put in doing things like driving people to poling booths.
Then you have to add all of the legal costs from challenges to results plus the actual cost of holding the election
Total cost down here was $ 8 per vote
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Scrubcadet10
Scrubcadet10
I think our country would be alot better off if more people(eligible adults) voted... and not just in the last 5 years.In the 2020 elections 14,4 billion was spent trying to get you lot to vote but still less than 1/2 the population voted 133, 000,000
So that means that the parties spent around $ 110 for each person who voted
If you factor in the candidate selection that number nearly doubles and all this is just what was declaired and did not include use of private jets to fly candidates and officals all over the country and the work volunteers put in doing things like driving people to poling booths.
Then you have to add all of the legal costs from challenges to results plus the actual cost of holding the election
Total cost down here was $ 8 per vote
#15
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bertsmobile1
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bertsmobile1
It removes a lot of corruption.
If I donated $ 5,000,000 to a party for sure I would be expecting a return on that "investment"
It also make political campains a lot nicer & more honest
Because if the reds run a negative campain telling every one how bad the blues are and the blues return the favour then the yellow party can agree with both of them and that elevates the chances of minor parties & independents
If I donated $ 5,000,000 to a party for sure I would be expecting a return on that "investment"
It also make political campains a lot nicer & more honest
Because if the reds run a negative campain telling every one how bad the blues are and the blues return the favour then the yellow party can agree with both of them and that elevates the chances of minor parties & independents
#16
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1 Lucky Texan
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1 Lucky Texan
yeah, the 2 older parties don't want any competition. Parties are extra-Constitutional and the slide towards them having so much power started with the 12th Amendment. Journalists don't know what to do with more than 'us vs them'. States often have unreasonable hurdles for 3rd parties to even get on the ballot....
if you think a multi-party type system is OK, why stop at 2 ? There 'should' be enough choices that you don't feel like you need to hold your nose while voting.
the lesser of 2 evils is still evil...
if you think a multi-party type system is OK, why stop at 2 ? There 'should' be enough choices that you don't feel like you need to hold your nose while voting.
the lesser of 2 evils is still evil...
#17
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hlw49
H
hlw49
- “Pardoning the Bad, is injuring the Good.”
- Poor Richard’s Almanack, 1748 Famous quotes of Ben Franklin
#18
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bertsmobile1
B
bertsmobile1
yes,
Having the far Right & far Left as their own little parties allows the moderate middle to do their job and govern for everyone .
Having the far Right & far Left as their own little parties allows the moderate middle to do their job and govern for everyone .
#19
7394
7394
Takes more fossil fuel to make the lithium batteries & solar panels, than the gas autos & etc. ..
#20
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MParr
M
MParr
Who benefits the most from the sale of lithium batteries and solar panels? Red ??Takes more fossil fuel to make the lithium batteries & solar panels, than the gas autos & etc. ..
#21
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bertsmobile1
We were doing that back in 1972.
It is mindless consumption that has caused the problem particularly the one up man ship
My truck is bigger than yours & I have more totally useless striped grass in my yard than you do
And I live on a bigger black than you do & to show how wealthy I am I will cut down all of the forest and plant lawn but won't allow any beast to feed on it .
will have a new car, phone, TV the size of a billboard in every room etc etc etc.
Now EV's do have their place but the idea we can crawl out of the hole we dug by buying too much trash we don't need by buying more trash we don't need shows that we really have no idea .
So now I need an electric car that goes 200 mph apparently.
As for Lithium, you could not use a worse energy source for a vehicle than a lithium battery .
And when we start to get a lot of them on the roads and they start to roast the occupants nice & crispy while the fire fighters look on because they can not get near one, perhaps some might stop for a minute and ask is this the right path ?
Of course we can ignore the mess the mining companies are making of the deep ocean extracting the copper till we suddenly find there is no Salmon to feed to our cats ( that would actually prefer rats & mice )
So every city will ban petrol powered everything while at the same time building bigger airports for more kerrosene burning jets that dump hundreds of gallons unburned Jet A1 out the exhaust every time they take off .
Good thing is I am not much longer for the planet & have my little "get me out of here package" under the bed .
And we still treat the people who are driving all of this like they are some sort of messiahs rather than the money grubbing villians they really are .
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bertsmobile1
You can make solar cells in factories that are solar powered.Takes more fossil fuel to make the lithium batteries & solar panels, than the gas autos & etc. ..
We were doing that back in 1972.
It is mindless consumption that has caused the problem particularly the one up man ship
My truck is bigger than yours & I have more totally useless striped grass in my yard than you do
And I live on a bigger black than you do & to show how wealthy I am I will cut down all of the forest and plant lawn but won't allow any beast to feed on it .
will have a new car, phone, TV the size of a billboard in every room etc etc etc.
Now EV's do have their place but the idea we can crawl out of the hole we dug by buying too much trash we don't need by buying more trash we don't need shows that we really have no idea .
So now I need an electric car that goes 200 mph apparently.
As for Lithium, you could not use a worse energy source for a vehicle than a lithium battery .
And when we start to get a lot of them on the roads and they start to roast the occupants nice & crispy while the fire fighters look on because they can not get near one, perhaps some might stop for a minute and ask is this the right path ?
Of course we can ignore the mess the mining companies are making of the deep ocean extracting the copper till we suddenly find there is no Salmon to feed to our cats ( that would actually prefer rats & mice )
So every city will ban petrol powered everything while at the same time building bigger airports for more kerrosene burning jets that dump hundreds of gallons unburned Jet A1 out the exhaust every time they take off .
Good thing is I am not much longer for the planet & have my little "get me out of here package" under the bed .
And we still treat the people who are driving all of this like they are some sort of messiahs rather than the money grubbing villians they really are .
#22
7394
7394
Yeoww..Good thing is I am not much longer for the planet & have my little "get me out of here package" under the bed .
#23
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bertsmobile1
B
bertsmobile1
One of the things that the USA does do really well is aged care and while expensive, it is very good .
Even your poverty places are far & away better than anything we have down here
Even the ones run by churches are really bad. Search St Basils nursing home Melbourne if you want the low down & they were up the top of the quality lists.
So there is no way I want too end up in a place where they are committed to prolonging my death at minimal cost to themselves as long as possible so they can claim government benefits
The 70th is just around the corner and the sins of the past are slowly manifesting themselves
If you have ever been forced to watch the lingering death of a loved one you would understand.
My mother took 10 years to slowly die from the feet up and as bit died completely they got cut off
Totally bed ridden for those 10 years in permenent pain and for the last 4 unable to do anything other than lay there & look at the ceiling.
Feed mush through one tube because she could not swallow and of course excreting through 2 more
If I kept a dog like that the RSPCA would have me in court and I would be looking at 5 years
So a bottle of fine vintage port, a couple of cigars, some wacky weed and a few pills then I am out of here with no pain & smile .
Even your poverty places are far & away better than anything we have down here
Even the ones run by churches are really bad. Search St Basils nursing home Melbourne if you want the low down & they were up the top of the quality lists.
So there is no way I want too end up in a place where they are committed to prolonging my death at minimal cost to themselves as long as possible so they can claim government benefits
The 70th is just around the corner and the sins of the past are slowly manifesting themselves
If you have ever been forced to watch the lingering death of a loved one you would understand.
My mother took 10 years to slowly die from the feet up and as bit died completely they got cut off
Totally bed ridden for those 10 years in permenent pain and for the last 4 unable to do anything other than lay there & look at the ceiling.
Feed mush through one tube because she could not swallow and of course excreting through 2 more
If I kept a dog like that the RSPCA would have me in court and I would be looking at 5 years
So a bottle of fine vintage port, a couple of cigars, some wacky weed and a few pills then I am out of here with no pain & smile .
#24
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1 Lucky Texan
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1 Lucky Texan
I wouldn't praise our senior care so glowingly, it's quite variable. In Houston, all the workers abandoned a facility and left residents in flood waters past their wheelchair axles.
I fully support your exit plan as it does not endanger others.(unlike folks that try to off themselves by driving backwards on freeways, or pointing firearms at cops...) Hopefully, you won't have to worry about that for 20-30 years. Good years we hope.
I fully support your exit plan as it does not endanger others.(unlike folks that try to off themselves by driving backwards on freeways, or pointing firearms at cops...) Hopefully, you won't have to worry about that for 20-30 years. Good years we hope.
#25
7394
7394
Bert- Sorry to hear. Never knew about places down there.
You ever want to talk, shoot me a line...
You ever want to talk, shoot me a line...
#26
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bertsmobile1
If you can consider that humans are just another species of animal on the planet then life is very simple
You live reproduce then die just like every other living thing on the planet
When there is no longer any purpose for me being here I am happy to exit and leave some space for others
And FWIW remains are already scheduled for scientific use .
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bertsmobile1
Kind offer but I am quite fine mentallyBert- Sorry to hear. Never knew about places down there.
You ever want to talk, shoot me a line...
If you can consider that humans are just another species of animal on the planet then life is very simple
You live reproduce then die just like every other living thing on the planet
When there is no longer any purpose for me being here I am happy to exit and leave some space for others
And FWIW remains are already scheduled for scientific use .
#27
7394
7394
10-4 Bert. Well good to hear. Just throwing it out there if you ever want.
I enjoy most of your posts, & etc.
I enjoy most of your posts, & etc.