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Comes back to haunt ya! lol!

Will do. Is there any reason you prefer the champs over the NGK's?
Haunt me, yes. When I was a crew chief years ago, we had flightline FOD walks 3 times a day (once per shift over a 24-hour period every week.)

NGK is one of the most duplicated (copycatted) brands by the black market. Lots of info online about that. BPR4ES is what I believe is a "cold" plug as far as part numbers go. Is that the actual number this engine actually specifies?

I have always had better longevity out of Champion over the years in small V-twin engines.
 

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Haunt me, yes. When I was a crew chief years ago, we had flightline FOD walks 3 times a day (once per shift over a 24-hour period every week.)

NGK is one of the most duplicated (copycatted) brands by the black market. Lots of info online about that. BPR4ES is what I believe is a "cold" plug as far as part numbers go. Is that the actual number this engine actually specifies?

I have always had better longevity out of Champion over the years in small V-twin engines.
I was engines. C-130 Well acquainted with FOD walks!

The BPR4es is a hotter plug than the Champion. It is what was originally installed when new.
 

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Yes, both NGK BPR4ES. Single throat carb.

No FOD in the cooling fin area.
The NGK and Champion plugs listed are not the same. Physically, yes. Performance, no. Research it.
It is always best to stick with what the manufacturer recommends.
 

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As long as both cylinders have clean cooling fins and typical cylinder valve/cylinder sealing conditions ect.....

Left plug looks "good" BUT main jet is filthy rich. Look at the base ring where the threads stop towards electrode. This is where you size the main jet up. Both plugs are black in this area.
Recommend a high altitude main jet if fresh plugs run this way.

Right plug is rich all over. Float height is too high?? Air filter plugged? Excessive resistance possibly from counterfeit plugs?

You also have a lot of oil at the crush washer/sealing gasket area on both plugs.

That 4 in the NGK number is a touch hotter than normal. Think 5 is a typical/normal/common heat range.

Recommend taking a multi meter to where you buy plugs. NGK's shouldn't measure much over say 5k Ohms'ish for a resistor plug. If you see 6-10k Ohms then pass on them. Counterfeit plug alert.
 

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Recommend you load test your ignition coils. Should jump a min 0.25" in free air. Right plug might have weak spark???

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As long as both cylinders have clean cooling fins and typical cylinder valve/cylinder sealing conditions ect.....

Left plug looks "good" BUT main jet is filthy rich. Look at the base ring where the threads stop towards electrode. This is where you size the main jet up. Both plugs are black in this area.
Recommend a high altitude main jet if fresh plugs run this way.

Right plug is rich all over. Float height is too high?? Air filter plugged? Excessive resistance possibly from counterfeit plugs?

You also have a lot of oil at the crush washer/sealing gasket area on both plugs.

That 4 in the NGK number is a touch hotter than normal. Think 5 is a typical/normal/common heat range.

Recommend taking a multi meter to where you buy plugs. NGK's shouldn't measure much over say 5k Ohms'ish for a resistor plug. If you see 6-10k Ohms then pass on them. Counterfeit plug alert.
Well, here is the rest of the story… ever since I’ve had this mower it takes forever to start when cold. i posted about it and was told it had to be the choke (It would take 15-25 seconds of cranking to get it to start when cold, after it started, even if I came out two hours later it would start immediately afterwards. The next weekend it’d be right back at Hard start). so I adjusted choke with same results. I figured changing fuel pump would cure it, as I thought maybe it was siphoning back into the tank, and this seemed to fix it for a couple weeks. So I decided to get a carb kit and go through it. Now when I bought this it had been sitting for quite awhile, and the tech had to uncrud the carb so it would start (was bought new, I think they serviced it up, filled with a little gas just to check operation then put it on the sales area). So took carb off and disassembled. Things looked a bit crusty, bowl gasket literally fell apart. Then I noticed one of the towers thst hold the float was broken. It seemed like it was still working the float ok, but I didn’t like it. So I broke down and bought an OEM kawa carb. It comes in tomorrow. While I was there, that’s when I pulled the plugs and came to this thread.
Air filter is good, plugs are OEM. I bought new ones but have not installed them yet. I boroscoped engine cylinders and see no damage or wear. I don’t know what jet is in it, or if the replacement has the same jet. I think I have three choices on jets, a 98,100, 102.
 

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Recommend you load test your ignition coils. Should jump a min 0.25" in free air. Right plug might have weak spark???

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Yes, I have pulled the shroud and ensured no FOD in the cooling area. I had thought about ignition coils, but like previously posted, once it starts it fires evenly and smooth, and only hard starts cold. I will have to look into that tool, it looks better than the “lighting up” one I have now.
 

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Yes, I have pulled the shroud and ensured no FOD in the cooling area. I had thought about ignition coils, but like previously posted, once it starts it fires evenly and smooth, and only hard starts cold. I will have to look into that tool, it looks better than the “lighting up” one I have now.
Hello Propflux01,

The adjustable air gap spark testers have always been reliable and consistent. The bulb type "lighting up" ones have always been questionable to me and easy to break (the bulb element). The example shown of the adjustable one has a segment with "SE", that is for small engine coil testing.

One thing that will trick you on the V-twin small equipment engines is that it will seem to run smooth until you put it under a heavy load and try to cut with it. They do not give any hint, because there is no vibration or rocking of the solid mounted engine, just a loss of power.

At first, a person will blame a plug or the coil, swap them out only to find the problem still exists.

The V-twin engines have a kill wire harness (segment) and each wire going to the individual coils contains a small inline diode (usually hidden by shrink tape). The diode is there to prevent the coils from back feeding each other during key off shutdown of the engine.

I recommend you replace the plugs and run the engine for a few minutes to get the temperature up. At that point, use a spray bottle of water and shoot a burst/stream of water on to each exhaust pipe outlet. If a cylinder is working well, the water will immediately burn off the exhaust pipe.

If the water does not burn off quickly on one pipe, that indicates poor combustion/power on that cylinder.

There are several factors that create a weak cylinder, but let's not get ahead ourselves.... Let's see how the new plugs work out first.
 

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Hello Propflux01,

The adjustable air gap spark testers have always been reliable and consistent. The bulb type "lighting up" ones have always been questionable to me and easy to break (the bulb element). The example shown of the adjustable one has a segment with "SE", that is for small engine coil testing.

One thing that will trick you on the V-twin small equipment engines is that it will seem to run smooth until you put it under a heavy load and try to cut with it. They do not give any hint, because there is no vibration or rocking of the solid mounted engine, just a loss of power.

At first, a person will blame a plug or the coil, swap them out only to find the problem still exists.

The V-twin engines have a kill wire harness (segment) and each wire going to the individual coils contains a small inline diode (usually hidden by shrink tape). The diode is there to prevent the coils from back feeding each other during key off shutdown of the engine.

I recommend you replace the plugs and run the engine for a few minutes to get the temperature up. At that point, use a spray bottle of water and shoot a burst/stream of water on to each exhaust pipe outlet. If a cylinder is working well, the water will immediately burn off the exhaust pipe.

If the water does not burn off quickly on one pipe, that indicates poor combustion/power on that cylinder.

There are several factors that create a weak cylinder, but let's not get ahead ourselves.... Let's see how the new plugs work out first.
I will do that when the carb comes in and gets installed.
 
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