You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
Export thread
Side Wall punctures on tubeless tires
#1
jekjr
jekjr
A few weeks ago I stuck two pieces of electric fence wire in the side wall on one of the rear ties on my newest Scag Tigercat. It was mid afternoon on Friday and I did not have any plugs on the truck so I took it to the nearest tire shop. The guy at the tire shop told me that they could not plug a side wall puncture and I would have to put a tube in it. He did not have a tube. I load it back up and went to the next town to a tire shop. He also told me that a lug would not work on a side wall puncture.
We put a tube in it. Last week we were in a small town about 25 miles away and the tire went flat. Using my 2 gallon 110 volt air compressor and 2 cycle cheese generator I was able to get enough air into it to load he mower into the trailer. We finished the yard with one mower and came back to the tire store that had put the tube in. I asked him again about plugging it. He again told me that a side wall puncture could not be plugged. I finally talked him into putting a tubeless valve stem back in it and plugging the two holes in the sidewall. It is still holding the right pressure. We punctured e side wall on the other tire last Monday and plugged it in the yard and airs it back up. Both are holding air now.
Have any of you ever experienced a side wall hole and plugged it with satisfactory results?
We put a tube in it. Last week we were in a small town about 25 miles away and the tire went flat. Using my 2 gallon 110 volt air compressor and 2 cycle cheese generator I was able to get enough air into it to load he mower into the trailer. We finished the yard with one mower and came back to the tire store that had put the tube in. I asked him again about plugging it. He again told me that a side wall puncture could not be plugged. I finally talked him into putting a tubeless valve stem back in it and plugging the two holes in the sidewall. It is still holding the right pressure. We punctured e side wall on the other tire last Monday and plugged it in the yard and airs it back up. Both are holding air now.
Have any of you ever experienced a side wall hole and plugged it with satisfactory results?
#2
S
shiftsuper175607
The pressure is a lot lower than a car tire...the plugs work fine.
Nothing to lose by trying it.
I have had good luck.
S
shiftsuper175607
A few weeks ago I stuck two pieces of electric fence wire in the side wall on one of the rear ties on my newest Scag Tigercat. It was mid afternoon on Friday and I did not have any plugs on the truck so I took it to the nearest tire shop. The guy at the tire shop told me that they could not plug a side wall puncture and I would have to put a tube in it. He did not have a tube. I load it back up and went to the next town to a tire shop. He also told me that a lug would not work on a side wall puncture.
We put a tube in it. Last week we were in a small town about 25 miles away and the tire went flat. Using my 2 gallon 110 volt air compressor and 2 cycle cheese generator I was able to get enough air into it to load he mower into the trailer. We finished the yard with one mower and came back to the tire store that had put the tube in. I asked him again about plugging it. He again told me that a side wall puncture could not be plugged. I finally talked him into putting a tubeless valve stem back in it and plugging the two holes in the sidewall. It is still holding the right pressure. We punctured e side wall on the other tire last Monday and plugged it in the yard and airs it back up. Both are holding air now.
Have any of you ever experienced a side wall hole and plugged it with satisfactory results?
The pressure is a lot lower than a car tire...the plugs work fine.
Nothing to lose by trying it.
I have had good luck.
#3
reynoldston
No, never tried it on a mower tire but I have cars without luck. I have to admit if someone came to me I would of given them the same answer you got it wouldn't work. Also I would of tried the tube, just why didn't the tube hold up?
reynoldston
Have any of you ever experienced a side wall hole and plugged it with satisfactory results?
No, never tried it on a mower tire but I have cars without luck. I have to admit if someone came to me I would of given them the same answer you got it wouldn't work. Also I would of tried the tube, just why didn't the tube hold up?
#4
Bob E
Bob E
I have old tires on my mower with sidewall cracks bad enough to leak air. I've filled the tires with enough liquid laundry starch (works like slime) to cover the cracks every time they roll around. One tire went from going flat within a couple of hours to loosing a few psi every couple of months. I've been using them like that for going on 3 years now :laughing:
#5
B
bertsmobile1
B
bertsmobile1
Most important is you use mower tyre plugs and not car tyre plugs.
Reason is car tyre plugs set with the heat generated inthe tyre.
Mower tyres never get hot enough to fully set the adhesive.
The adheasives are totally different as the mower tyre plug is full chemical / solvent reaction requiring no heat.
The plugs themselves are also different.
Like putting a push bike tube patch on the inside of a tubeless tyre, some times you get lucky, most times you don't.
Plugging tyre side walls is illgal in a lot of places and voids the shops insurance should that ntyre suddenly deflate and cause damage to persons or property.
As far as the law goes, idiot DIYer can get away with it because they do not have the knowledge to know any better but a tyre shop will get taken to the cleaners
Reason is car tyre plugs set with the heat generated inthe tyre.
Mower tyres never get hot enough to fully set the adhesive.
The adheasives are totally different as the mower tyre plug is full chemical / solvent reaction requiring no heat.
The plugs themselves are also different.
Like putting a push bike tube patch on the inside of a tubeless tyre, some times you get lucky, most times you don't.
Plugging tyre side walls is illgal in a lot of places and voids the shops insurance should that ntyre suddenly deflate and cause damage to persons or property.
As far as the law goes, idiot DIYer can get away with it because they do not have the knowledge to know any better but a tyre shop will get taken to the cleaners
#6
jekjr
The tube just got punctured probably a nail or something. Not sure. The problem with us is, running a tubeless tire NORMALLY we have plugs in the tool box and can be up and running in a few minutes. With a punctured tube it has to come off and apart to patch the tube which we would rather not have to do in the field.
We cut a lot of grass many times miles from a tire shop. That is why I prefer to run tubeless if at all possible.
jekjr
No, never tried it on a mower tire but I have cars without luck. I have to admit if someone came to me I would of given them the same answer you got it wouldn't work. Also I would of tried the tube, just why didn't the tube hold up?
The tube just got punctured probably a nail or something. Not sure. The problem with us is, running a tubeless tire NORMALLY we have plugs in the tool box and can be up and running in a few minutes. With a punctured tube it has to come off and apart to patch the tube which we would rather not have to do in the field.
We cut a lot of grass many times miles from a tire shop. That is why I prefer to run tubeless if at all possible.
#7
jekjr
I can see the danger on a car. We try not to run our zero turns on the interstate though so a blow out really is not going to take out too many people.
jekjr
Most important is you use mower tyre plugs and not car tyre plugs. Reason is car tyre plugs set with the heat generated inthe tyre. Mower tyres never get hot enough to fully set the adhesive. The adheasives are totally different as the mower tyre plug is full chemical / solvent reaction requiring no heat. The plugs themselves are also different. Like putting a push bike tube patch on the inside of a tubeless tyre, some times you get lucky, most times you don't. Plugging tyre side walls is illgal in a lot of places and voids the shops insurance should that ntyre suddenly deflate and cause damage to persons or property. As far as the law goes, idiot DIYer can get away with it because they do not have the knowledge to know any better but a tyre shop will get taken to the cleaners
I can see the danger on a car. We try not to run our zero turns on the interstate though so a blow out really is not going to take out too many people.
#8
B
bertsmobile1
B
bertsmobile1
So you are running across a slope that you should not have been doing, the downhil tyre blows the mower rolls over on top of you and snaps a vertebras.
You are now a parra , quad or deceased.
No action taken against the tyre repairer ?
you have just driven the mower up onto the trailer / flatbed and the out board tyre lets go and it topples off the trailer into the passing traffic, with or without you in the chair.
No litigation ?
For the $ 5.00 of profit in putting in a plug, just not worth the risk for the tyre shop. No matter how unlikely it is to happen.
You put the plug in yourself and the same thing happens, your insurance company will foot the bill because you are a lawncare operator and don't know any better.
You were going to replace the tyre but just forgot about it.
You are now a parra , quad or deceased.
No action taken against the tyre repairer ?
you have just driven the mower up onto the trailer / flatbed and the out board tyre lets go and it topples off the trailer into the passing traffic, with or without you in the chair.
No litigation ?
For the $ 5.00 of profit in putting in a plug, just not worth the risk for the tyre shop. No matter how unlikely it is to happen.
You put the plug in yourself and the same thing happens, your insurance company will foot the bill because you are a lawncare operator and don't know any better.
You were going to replace the tyre but just forgot about it.
#9
S
shiftsuper175607
This is the type plug I am talking about. I don't see how it is a problem with 12 lbs of air. Are you talking about the same thing?
You poke this in the hole, pull out the tool quickly, leaving the string/plug and add air.
I had a broken bottle stuck in my tire Friday, I took it out and immediately it went flat. I put a plug in and aired it up and no problems. The next day it was still good. I bought a mower and it has several of the sticking out of the side wall on a back tire. I have not had to add air.
9 Piece Tubeless Tire Repair Kit
S
shiftsuper175607
So you are running across a slope that you should not have been doing, the downhil tyre blows the mower rolls over on top of you and snaps a vertebras.
You are now a parra , quad or deceased.
No action taken against the tyre repairer ?
you have just driven the mower up onto the trailer / flatbed and the out board tyre lets go and it topples off the trailer into the passing traffic, with or without you in the chair.
No litigation ?
For the $ 5.00 of profit in putting in a plug, just not worth the risk for the tyre shop. No matter how unlikely it is to happen.
You put the plug in yourself and the same thing happens, your insurance company will foot the bill because you are a lawncare operator and don't know any better.
You were going to replace the tyre but just forgot about it.
This is the type plug I am talking about. I don't see how it is a problem with 12 lbs of air. Are you talking about the same thing?
You poke this in the hole, pull out the tool quickly, leaving the string/plug and add air.
I had a broken bottle stuck in my tire Friday, I took it out and immediately it went flat. I put a plug in and aired it up and no problems. The next day it was still good. I bought a mower and it has several of the sticking out of the side wall on a back tire. I have not had to add air.
9 Piece Tubeless Tire Repair Kit
#10
reynoldston
Any time I have bought tire plugs one plug fits all??? Over here in the great USA I guess the laws are just a little different then Australia seeing we just don't have tire police checking how tires are repaired, our police are just too busy harassing people driving cars to worry about anything else.
reynoldston
Most important is you use mower tyre plugs and not car tyre plugs.
Reason is car tyre plugs set with the heat generated inthe tyre.
Mower tyres never get hot enough to fully set the adhesive.
The adheasives are totally different as the mower tyre plug is full chemical / solvent reaction requiring no heat.
The plugs themselves are also different.
Like putting a push bike tube patch on the inside of a tubeless tyre, some times you get lucky, most times you don't.
Plugging tyre side walls is illgal in a lot of places and voids the shops insurance should that ntyre suddenly deflate and cause damage to persons or property.
As far as the law goes, idiot DIYer can get away with it because they do not have the knowledge to know any better but a tyre shop will get taken to the cleaners
Any time I have bought tire plugs one plug fits all??? Over here in the great USA I guess the laws are just a little different then Australia seeing we just don't have tire police checking how tires are repaired, our police are just too busy harassing people driving cars to worry about anything else.
#11
jekjr
I have seen hundreds of mower tires go flat. Never seen one blow. I think I will take my chances. I probably have a better chance of being abducted by aliens than blowing a tire causing a roll over.
jekjr
So you are running across a slope that you should not have been doing, the downhil tyre blows the mower rolls over on top of you and snaps a vertebras. You are now a parra , quad or deceased. No action taken against the tyre repairer ? you have just driven the mower up onto the trailer / flatbed and the out board tyre lets go and it topples off the trailer into the passing traffic, with or without you in the chair. No litigation ? For the $ 5.00 of profit in putting in a plug, just not worth the risk for the tyre shop. No matter how unlikely it is to happen. You put the plug in yourself and the same thing happens, your insurance company will foot the bill because you are a lawncare operator and don't know any better. You were going to replace the tyre but just forgot about it.
I have seen hundreds of mower tires go flat. Never seen one blow. I think I will take my chances. I probably have a better chance of being abducted by aliens than blowing a tire causing a roll over.
#12
jekjr
I am like you. I just buy what ever kind there is in the store at the time of purchase. Normally we buy a pretty good sized pack from the auto parts store when we are out.
I have one Scag that has plugs on three tires on it with less than 150 hours on it. I have another one with almost 400 hours on it that has never had a flat tire. Go figure.
jekjr
This is the type plug I am talking about. I don't see how it is a problem with 12 lbs of air. Are you talking about the same thing? You poke this in the hole, pull out the tool quickly, leaving the string/plug and add air. I had a broken bottle stuck in my tire Friday, I took it out and immediately it went flat. I put a plug in and aired it up and no problems. The next day it was still good. I bought a mower and it has several of the sticking out of the side wall on a back tire. I have not had to add air. 9 Piece Tubeless Tire Repair Kit
I am like you. I just buy what ever kind there is in the store at the time of purchase. Normally we buy a pretty good sized pack from the auto parts store when we are out.
I have one Scag that has plugs on three tires on it with less than 150 hours on it. I have another one with almost 400 hours on it that has never had a flat tire. Go figure.
#13
B
bertsmobile1
Don't have the foggiest.
The kits all look the same.
The composition of the glue and the type of rubber in the plug is what varies.
All the low temp mower plugs I have ever seen are red
All the car plugs I have seen are black
B
bertsmobile1
This is the type plug I am talking about. I don't see how it is a problem with 12 lbs of air. Are you talking about the same thing?
You poke this in the hole, pull out the tool quickly, leaving the string/plug and add air.
I had a broken bottle stuck in my tire Friday, I took it out and immediately it went flat. I put a plug in and aired it up and no problems. The next day it was still good. I bought a mower and it has several of the sticking out of the side wall on a back tire. I have not had to add air.
9 Piece Tubeless Tire Repair Kit
Don't have the foggiest.
The kits all look the same.
The composition of the glue and the type of rubber in the plug is what varies.
All the low temp mower plugs I have ever seen are red
All the car plugs I have seen are black
#14
B
bertsmobile1
Actually the laws over there are generally a lot more regressive because the lawers over there are a lot more aggressive.
Obviously they are similar because the tyre shop would not fit a plug, same as they won't do it here either.
Some where in the instruction on the plug kit will be the disclaimer that the plug is for temporary emergency repair only and the tyre must be replaced at the earliest opportunity.
Policeing not needed.
After an incident the technical report will have details like well worn old plugs fitted to tyres.
that is a neon sign to smarty pants lawer to sue you backside off the tyre shop and for insurance companies to wipe their hands and walk away leaving him high & dry.
Then the State / Federal authorities come down like a ton of bricks.
So again not worth it for $ 5.00
Again I did not say it will happen and most likely won't , but it can.
Which is why the tyre shop won't do it which was what the OP was posting about and why I replied with the explanation as to why the tyre shop would not do it as the OP seemed to think there was some sort of conspiracy going on.
B
bertsmobile1
Any time I have bought tire plugs one plug fits all??? Over here in the great USA I guess the laws are just a little different then Australia seeing we just don't have tire police checking how tires are repaired, our police are just too busy harassing people driving cars to worry about anything else.
Actually the laws over there are generally a lot more regressive because the lawers over there are a lot more aggressive.
Obviously they are similar because the tyre shop would not fit a plug, same as they won't do it here either.
Some where in the instruction on the plug kit will be the disclaimer that the plug is for temporary emergency repair only and the tyre must be replaced at the earliest opportunity.
Policeing not needed.
After an incident the technical report will have details like well worn old plugs fitted to tyres.
that is a neon sign to smarty pants lawer to sue you backside off the tyre shop and for insurance companies to wipe their hands and walk away leaving him high & dry.
Then the State / Federal authorities come down like a ton of bricks.
So again not worth it for $ 5.00
Again I did not say it will happen and most likely won't , but it can.
Which is why the tyre shop won't do it which was what the OP was posting about and why I replied with the explanation as to why the tyre shop would not do it as the OP seemed to think there was some sort of conspiracy going on.
#15
M
Mikel1
M
Mikel1
Oddly enough I've never had a hole in the sidewall, probably should have cutting grass near barb wire. I do run over thorns though, I buy the plugs off ebay alot cheaper than the local auto stores here.
One auto repair center here will not put a plug in a car's tire at all, patch only. Seems everyone has to cover their backside these days.
One auto repair center here will not put a plug in a car's tire at all, patch only. Seems everyone has to cover their backside these days.
#16
S
Shughes717
For someone who lives on the other side of the planet you pretend to know a lot about the judicial system in the United States. It is true that people here can sue anyone in civil court for just about anything, but it rarely goes federal. Such a case would be considered frivolous. The tire pressure in mower tires is way too low to blow a tire out. The main reason tire shops don't like plugging side walls is that typically the side wall will tear more as the plug is pushed in, which makes the hole bigger. The side wall is much thinner than the tread of the tire. I have been in law enforcement for 13 years and have never written a citation for someone putting a plug in the side wall of any tire. There is no criminal law in place that I have ever heard of. Even if law makers did pass a law making it illegal to put a plug in the side wall of a tire, it would only apply to vehicles that are operated on the roadway. Law enforcement could not and would not enforce the law for atvs or mowers.
S
Shughes717
Actually the laws over there are generally a lot more regressive because the lawers over there are a lot more aggressive.
Obviously they are similar because the tyre shop would not fit a plug, same as they won't do it here either.
Some where in the instruction on the plug kit will be the disclaimer that the plug is for temporary emergency repair only and the tyre must be replaced at the earliest opportunity.
Policeing not needed.
After an incident the technical report will have details like well worn old plugs fitted to tyres.
that is a neon sign to smarty pants lawer to sue you backside off the tyre shop and for insurance companies to wipe their hands and walk away leaving him high & dry.
Then the State / Federal authorities come down like a ton of bricks.
So again not worth it for $ 5.00
Again I did not say it will happen and most likely won't , but it can.
Which is why the tyre shop won't do it which was what the OP was posting about and why I replied with the explanation as to why the tyre shop would not do it as the OP seemed to think there was some sort of conspiracy going on.
For someone who lives on the other side of the planet you pretend to know a lot about the judicial system in the United States. It is true that people here can sue anyone in civil court for just about anything, but it rarely goes federal. Such a case would be considered frivolous. The tire pressure in mower tires is way too low to blow a tire out. The main reason tire shops don't like plugging side walls is that typically the side wall will tear more as the plug is pushed in, which makes the hole bigger. The side wall is much thinner than the tread of the tire. I have been in law enforcement for 13 years and have never written a citation for someone putting a plug in the side wall of any tire. There is no criminal law in place that I have ever heard of. Even if law makers did pass a law making it illegal to put a plug in the side wall of a tire, it would only apply to vehicles that are operated on the roadway. Law enforcement could not and would not enforce the law for atvs or mowers.
#17
B
bertsmobile1
B
bertsmobile1
Our legal system might be based on UK law but our product legislation and most consummer laws come directly from the USA right down to having footpaths called sidewalks in a lot of them .
So usually if we make something illegal down here it is because you made it illegal over there. Or at least one state and we seem to idolise Californian legislation .
We have 3 separate bodies that do product law and none of them have the faintest idea about the products they are dealing with if some one in the USA mounts a successfull case against a tyre shop , we ban the practice.
And if it is dangerious for car tyres then of course it must be dangerios for all tyres so it gets banned right across the entire industry.
And no mower tyres do not blow out, lazy typist .
They do roll the bead off the seat and instantly go flat which has the same nett effect.
Risk assment managers do not look at what actually dose happen they live in that strange world of what could possibly happen.
They advize civil servants with no practical experience who draft regulations to protect the country from their own fantasies and if no one dies from having a deflated ( blown was easier to type ) tyre then they have done their job so deserve their bonuses.
And no I litttle idea of which level of government actually dose what jobs apart from what I hear in seminars, & in docummentries etc hense the / between state & federal.
As for the mechanics, mower / off road tyre plugs take quite well to sidewalls, substantially better success rate than with car tread plugs as they are softer & stickier
But all this is twaddle, the OP was just wondering why the tyre shops would not install a plug, perhaps you might be kind enough to verify the legality of tyre plugging with your local tyre shop.
I could be totally wrong and if so would greatly appreciate being corrected.
Having a science / engineering back ground I am always happy to be proven wrong which is one mechanism of learning what is right.
This being an open forum and existing forever is cyberspace is is good to have the currently correct information in it.
FWIW I only fit Safety Seal brand plugswhich are a lot more expensive than any thing I could by from the cheap and nasty made is China discount shops and to date have never had a failure.
AFAIK they were actually formulated for 4WD use and found to work well on mowers. They are the only brand stocked by my 3 wholesalers, all of whome sell other products from oher companies that make plugs but none of them stock those plugs.
So usually if we make something illegal down here it is because you made it illegal over there. Or at least one state and we seem to idolise Californian legislation .
We have 3 separate bodies that do product law and none of them have the faintest idea about the products they are dealing with if some one in the USA mounts a successfull case against a tyre shop , we ban the practice.
And if it is dangerious for car tyres then of course it must be dangerios for all tyres so it gets banned right across the entire industry.
And no mower tyres do not blow out, lazy typist .
They do roll the bead off the seat and instantly go flat which has the same nett effect.
Risk assment managers do not look at what actually dose happen they live in that strange world of what could possibly happen.
They advize civil servants with no practical experience who draft regulations to protect the country from their own fantasies and if no one dies from having a deflated ( blown was easier to type ) tyre then they have done their job so deserve their bonuses.
And no I litttle idea of which level of government actually dose what jobs apart from what I hear in seminars, & in docummentries etc hense the / between state & federal.
As for the mechanics, mower / off road tyre plugs take quite well to sidewalls, substantially better success rate than with car tread plugs as they are softer & stickier
But all this is twaddle, the OP was just wondering why the tyre shops would not install a plug, perhaps you might be kind enough to verify the legality of tyre plugging with your local tyre shop.
I could be totally wrong and if so would greatly appreciate being corrected.
Having a science / engineering back ground I am always happy to be proven wrong which is one mechanism of learning what is right.
This being an open forum and existing forever is cyberspace is is good to have the currently correct information in it.
FWIW I only fit Safety Seal brand plugswhich are a lot more expensive than any thing I could by from the cheap and nasty made is China discount shops and to date have never had a failure.
AFAIK they were actually formulated for 4WD use and found to work well on mowers. They are the only brand stocked by my 3 wholesalers, all of whome sell other products from oher companies that make plugs but none of them stock those plugs.
#18
S
Shughes717
I don't need to type a novel to reply to this. Most federal civil suits in the U.S. are against large corporations (example McDonald's) in hopes that they will settle out of court. As I said before, I am actually in law enforcement and not a mechanic. It will never be illegal anywhere in the U.S. To put a plug in the side wall of a mower tire because the law would be unenforceable! Traffic laws are in place for roadway traffic only. We cannot go onto private property and issue citations for traffic laws. You are showing your ignorance. Civil lawsuits have nothing to do with something being "illegal". I have attempted to plug the sidewall of 4 wheeler tires with no success. The hole just kept getting bigger.
S
Shughes717
Our legal system might be based on UK law but our product legislation and most consummer laws come directly from the USA right down to having footpaths called sidewalks in a lot of them .
So usually if we make something illegal down here it is because you made it illegal over there. Or at least one state and we seem to idolise Californian legislation .
We have 3 separate bodies that do product law and none of them have the faintest idea about the products they are dealing with if some one in the USA mounts a successfull case against a tyre shop , we ban the practice.
And if it is dangerious for car tyres then of course it must be dangerios for all tyres so it gets banned right across the entire industry.
And no mower tyres do not blow out, lazy typist .
They do roll the bead off the seat and instantly go flat which has the same nett effect.
Risk assment managers do not look at what actually dose happen they live in that strange world of what could possibly happen.
They advize civil servants with no practical experience who draft regulations to protect the country from their own fantasies and if no one dies from having a deflated ( blown was easier to type ) tyre then they have done their job so deserve their bonuses.
And no I litttle idea of which level of government actually dose what jobs apart from what I hear in seminars, & in docummentries etc hense the / between state & federal.
As for the mechanics, mower / off road tyre plugs take quite well to sidewalls, substantially better success rate than with car tread plugs as they are softer & stickier
But all this is twaddle, the OP was just wondering why the tyre shops would not install a plug, perhaps you might be kind enough to verify the legality of tyre plugging with your local tyre shop.
I could be totally wrong and if so would greatly appreciate being corrected.
Having a science / engineering back ground I am always happy to be proven wrong which is one mechanism of learning what is right.
This being an open forum and existing forever is cyberspace is is good to have the currently correct information in it.
FWIW I only fit Safety Seal brand plugswhich are a lot more expensive than any thing I could by from the cheap and nasty made is China discount shops and to date have never had a failure.
AFAIK they were actually formulated for 4WD use and found to work well on mowers. They are the only brand stocked by my 3 wholesalers, all of whome sell other products from oher companies that make plugs but none of them stock those plugs.
I don't need to type a novel to reply to this. Most federal civil suits in the U.S. are against large corporations (example McDonald's) in hopes that they will settle out of court. As I said before, I am actually in law enforcement and not a mechanic. It will never be illegal anywhere in the U.S. To put a plug in the side wall of a mower tire because the law would be unenforceable! Traffic laws are in place for roadway traffic only. We cannot go onto private property and issue citations for traffic laws. You are showing your ignorance. Civil lawsuits have nothing to do with something being "illegal". I have attempted to plug the sidewall of 4 wheeler tires with no success. The hole just kept getting bigger.
#19
Mike88se
Mike88se
Back to the original question... when I bought my latest 34Z one of the rear tires was plugged on the sidewall. It held up a while and then I tried a tube and it didn't last as long as the plug. I ended up buying a new tire. If I was out mowing and punctured a sidewall I wouldn't hesitate to try to plug it and see how it held up.
#20
S
Shughes717
I was helping my sister out a couple of years ago when her mower broke down. The grass had grown for about three weeks before I got a chance to mow it. The county had placed one of those orange marker flags on wire in her lawn near the road. I mowed over it and the wire got thrown into the side wall of my back tire. I had bad experience with plugging side walls in the past, and wasn't excited about putting a tube in either. I took my mower to the tire shop and asked if it could be patched. I was told that a patch wouldn't hold. He talked me into putting a tube in it. 20 mower hours and 2 tubes later I ended up purchasing a new tire. Tubes will not hold up long either, so attempting a plug couldn't hurt. If it does cause the hole to open up more you will just have to buy another tire. You will end up buying another tire if you attempt to put a tube in it as well. It will just cost more money. Give it a try. Worst case scenario you spend $5 and have to get a new tire.
S
Shughes717
Back to the original question... when I bought my latest 34Z one of the rear tires was plugged on the sidewall. It held up a while and then I tried a tube and it didn't last as long as the plug. I ended up buying a new tire. If I was out mowing and punctured a sidewall I wouldn't hesitate to try to plug it and see how it held up.
I was helping my sister out a couple of years ago when her mower broke down. The grass had grown for about three weeks before I got a chance to mow it. The county had placed one of those orange marker flags on wire in her lawn near the road. I mowed over it and the wire got thrown into the side wall of my back tire. I had bad experience with plugging side walls in the past, and wasn't excited about putting a tube in either. I took my mower to the tire shop and asked if it could be patched. I was told that a patch wouldn't hold. He talked me into putting a tube in it. 20 mower hours and 2 tubes later I ended up purchasing a new tire. Tubes will not hold up long either, so attempting a plug couldn't hurt. If it does cause the hole to open up more you will just have to buy another tire. You will end up buying another tire if you attempt to put a tube in it as well. It will just cost more money. Give it a try. Worst case scenario you spend $5 and have to get a new tire.
#21
Bob E
Bob E
I think all of the flexing the sidewall goes through pinches or abrades the tube at the hole.
If the hole gets too big you can use a boot with a tube. (this guy shows what I'm talking about starting around 10:20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzuvS4iCTeg ). Of course back in the day when I used to do that kind of thing tubes were also a lot cheaper. Now you can almost buy a new tire for the price of a couple tubes.
If the hole gets too big you can use a boot with a tube. (this guy shows what I'm talking about starting around 10:20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzuvS4iCTeg ). Of course back in the day when I used to do that kind of thing tubes were also a lot cheaper. Now you can almost buy a new tire for the price of a couple tubes.
#22
S
Shughes717
That's why I ended up buying a new tire. I spent $50 on tubes, and only got 20 hours. I decided to just buy a new tire. Bought it from a different tire shop though.
S
Shughes717
I think all of the flexing the sidewall goes through pinches or abrades the tube at the hole.
If the hole gets too big you can use a boot with a tube. (this guy shows what I'm talking about starting around 10:20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzuvS4iCTeg ). Of course back in the day when I used to do that kind of thing tubes were also a lot cheaper. Now you can almost buy a new tire for the price of a couple tubes.
That's why I ended up buying a new tire. I spent $50 on tubes, and only got 20 hours. I decided to just buy a new tire. Bought it from a different tire shop though.
#23
jekjr
Because of the conditions we operate under many times and distance for a tire shop the tube thing is a pain in the behind. If I have to go to tubes in them I will have to purchase new tires and wheels so I can just haul a spare. That is added expense and a pain in the behind as well.
We can put a plug in about any where and air it back up. Breaking the tire down and repairing a tube is a different matter on the field.
jekjr
That's why I ended up buying a new tire. I spent $50 on tubes, and only got 20 hours. I decided to just buy a new tire. Bought it from a different tire shop though.
Because of the conditions we operate under many times and distance for a tire shop the tube thing is a pain in the behind. If I have to go to tubes in them I will have to purchase new tires and wheels so I can just haul a spare. That is added expense and a pain in the behind as well.
We can put a plug in about any where and air it back up. Breaking the tire down and repairing a tube is a different matter on the field.