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Saw on the internet where people are lined up to register their guns and magazines in Connecticut. Reckon how long it will be now before they are lining back up to hand them in?

jekjr said:

Saw on the internet where people are lined up to register their guns and magazines in Connecticut. Reckon how long it will be now before they are lining back up to hand them in?

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I have to register my cars every year. Pretty sure cars kill more people than guns. Nobody is trying to take my cars away. I think the gun confiscation fears are way overblown. Never gonna happen.
The ownership of full auto machine guns is still legal if owned before April 4, 2013. Doesn't sound that restrictive.

I had to register mine when I bought them you never know what uncle sam is going to do. I dont think anyone should own a full auto machine gun in this country thats just my opinion though. I never had much use for one myself.

they might line up willingly in connecticutt to turn them in but i just dont see it happening in alabama......you have to watch the anti gun crowd....they are just looking for any opening they can get

Mike88se said:

I have to register my cars every year. Pretty sure cars kill more people than guns. Nobody is trying to take my cars away. I think the gun confiscation fears are way overblown. Never gonna happen.
The ownership of full auto machine guns is still legal if owned before April 4, 2013. Doesn't sound that restrictive.

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Those are not fully auto guns that they are registering first off. Secondly your car is not to protect you it is for transportation.

I would imagine that there were people in Germany in the 1930's and early 1940's that thought that the thought of guns being taken up was way overblown as well.

Any time a communist regime prepares to take over a country the first thing that happens is to register and then collect guns. History bears this out.

jekjr said:

Those are not fully auto guns that they are registering first off. Secondly your car is not to protect you it is for transportation.

I would imagine that there were people in Germany in the 1930's and early 1940's that thought that the thought of guns being taken up was way overblown as well.

Any time a communist regime prepares to take over a country the first thing that happens is to register and then collect guns. History bears this out.

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Selective fire means that a machine gun can fire semi or fully automatically. Machine guns that can only fire fully automatically are legal in Connecticut if they were possessed prior to April 4, 2013 and registered on or before January 1, 2014.

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Sounds like a machine gun to me
Gun laws in Connecticut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Connecticut Law About Firearms Law
I don't get your point about the car vs gun. I own them... they're mine... I have to register them. I'm in favor of registration. There are no illegally made guns. They all come from legitimate companies who pay taxes and keep records. If records were kept on down the line guns would be a lot easier to trace and account for. It wouldn't affect honest people at all.
I'm not getting the Nazi reference either. Most German men and a lot of German women were given (some by force) guns in the 1940's. Nice guns.
If you're saying a communist regime is getting ready to take over the US then I'm going to have to bow out of this conversation. That's not even in the realm of possibility. That would be like talking about the possibility of space aliens taking over the planet. It's just not something I can take seriously.

Mike88se said:

I have to register my cars every year. Pretty sure cars kill more people than guns. Nobody is trying to take my cars away. I think the gun confiscation fears are way overblown. Never gonna happen.
The ownership of full auto machine guns is still legal if owned before April 4, 2013. Doesn't sound that restrictive.

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No, that doesn't sound very restrictive at all. By the way, who told you that? It's wrong. From GunCite - Gun Control: Machine Guns
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A fully automatic weapon (a machine gun) is one that fires a succession of bullets so long as the trigger is depressed or until the ammunition supply is exhausted. In addition, any weapon that shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot automatically, more than one shot at a time by a single trigger pull, is legally considered to be a machine gun.

Submachine guns are fully automatic weapons that fire a handgun cartridge and can be operated by one person. Sometimes they are referred to as machine pistols.

A machine gun can normally fire between 400 and 1,000 rounds (bullets) per minute, or between 7 and 17 rounds per second.

Federal Firearms Regulations

It has been unlawful since 1934 (The National Firearms Act) for civilians to own machine guns without special permission from the U.S. Treasury Department. Machine guns are subject to a $200 tax every time their ownership changes from one federally registered owner to another, and each new weapon is subject to a manufacturing tax when it is made, and it must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in its National Firearms Registry.

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Never gonna happen, you say? It happened after hurricane Katrina, didn't you hear about that? Many of those folks were disarmed.

Mike88se said:

Sounds like a machine gun to me
Gun laws in Connecticut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Connecticut Law About Firearms Law
I don't get your point about the car vs gun. I own them... they're mine... I have to register them. I'm in favor of registration. There are no illegally made guns. They all come from legitimate companies who pay taxes and keep records. If records were kept on down the line guns would be a lot easier to trace and account for. It wouldn't affect honest people at all.
I'm not getting the Nazi reference either. Most German men and a lot of German women were given (some by force) guns in the 1940's. Nice guns.
If you're saying a communist regime is getting ready to take over the US then I'm going to have to bow out of this conversation. That's not even in the realm of possibility. That would be like talking about the possibility of space aliens taking over the planet. It's just not something I can take seriously.

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Apparently you did not hear about the 6 million or so people that they killed in Germany on the 1940's.

A lot fell on Russia as well same MO. Guns registered and collected in Cuba as well.

If you can't see how close we are to falling into communism you need to wake up and see what is happening around you. We are almost there.

jekjr said:

Apparently you did not hear about the 6 million or so people that they killed in Germany on the 1940's.

A lot fell on Russia as well same MO. Guns registered and collected in Cuba as well.

If you can't see how close we are to falling into communism you need to wake up and see what is happening around you. We are almost there.

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This is just funny.. thing about Americans even if we all register our guns and they come knocking on your door Americans aren't going to willingly give up there guns . And if we are going to fall into communism the rest of the world is going to **** to... We have been in almost every war promoting and killing for democracy your fears about us falling into communism is retarded its not going to happen even if they try to many people won't allow it so stop being silly

exotion said:

This is just funny.. thing about Americans even if we all register our guns and they come knocking on your door Americans aren't going to willingly give up there guns . And if we are going to fall into communism the rest of the world is going to **** to... We have been in almost every war promoting and killing for democracy your fears about us falling into communism is retarded its not going to happen even if they try to many people won't allow it so stop being silly

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Well I guess I am retardded. In a couple more years just remember I told you so. We are so close it is incredible. We are a mess up society. Socialism is already here within just a very short time. Communism will be close behind.

History does repeat itself

Crawdad said:

No, that doesn't sound very restrictive at all. By the way, who told you that? It's wrong. From GunCite - Gun Control: Machine Guns
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A fully automatic weapon (a machine gun) is one that fires a succession of bullets so long as the trigger is depressed or until the ammunition supply is exhausted. In addition, any weapon that shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot automatically, more than one shot at a time by a single trigger pull, is legally considered to be a machine gun.

Submachine guns are fully automatic weapons that fire a handgun cartridge and can be operated by one person. Sometimes they are referred to as machine pistols.

A machine gun can normally fire between 400 and 1,000 rounds (bullets) per minute, or between 7 and 17 rounds per second.

Federal Firearms Regulations

It has been unlawful since 1934 (The National Firearms Act) for civilians to own machine guns without special permission from the U.S. Treasury Department. Machine guns are subject to a $200 tax every time their ownership changes from one federally registered owner to another, and each new weapon is subject to a manufacturing tax when it is made, and it must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in its National Firearms Registry.

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Never gonna happen, you say? It happened after hurricane Katrina, didn't you hear about that? Many of those folks were disarmed.

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I think we all know what a machine gun is
Let me see if I got this part straight: the Connecticut .gov website is wrong because a gun nut site says it is. Seriously?
If you read through those sites you must have seen the part that said anyone owning a machine gun or any other weapon prior to the date the law went into effect is welcome to keep them through a grandfather clause. I couldn't swear that anyone in Connecticut owns a machine gun but I don't thing the state lege would put that clause in if there weren't some machine gun owners living there. I don't see why anyone needs a machine gun or a 100 or even a 30 round drum. Must be expecting the zombie apocalypse. And have more money than sense
I could bump fire an AK or AR and most people wouldn't know it wasn't a machine gun. And effectively it wouldn't matter.
If you want a weapon for home protection buy a shotgun. More likely to hit the bad guy and a lot less likely to kill the neighbors.

Katrina... you'll need to talk to the NOPD about that because that's who confiscated the 700 or so guns. They did offer them back with proof of ownership. Not many people could provide that proof. An agreement was reached later I think whereby people could claim their guns by signing an affidavit swearing that they were the true and rightful owner. Personally I wouldn't trust a NOLA cop any farther than I could toss him. The feds had nothing to do with that. So the NOPD is going to set up a commie government and take over the world? Could be true...

jekjr said:

Apparently you did not hear about the 6 million or so people that they killed in Germany on the 1940's.

A lot fell on Russia as well same MO. Guns registered and collected in Cuba as well.

If you can't see how close we are to falling into communism you need to wake up and see what is happening around you. We are almost there.

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Well yeah I did hear a lot about that. IIRC Germans did that. The ones you said had all their guns confiscated. You totally lost me there
The oil companies are making record profits and Wall Street & bankers are back to screwing people out of their hard earned money again but we're falling into communism??? No.. I'm sorry but that's just crazy talk. We're not in danger of becoming communist state... we're in danger of becoming a corporatocracy or whatever it's called when the richest control government. Hell we're already there really. We get to choose between the candidates the wealthiest in one party put up against the candidates that the wealthiest in the other party puts up.
From where I'm sitting that doesn't look much like a choice. We get to pick what we consider the lesser of two evils.

Mike88se said:

I think we all know what a machine gun is
Let me see if I got this part straight: the Connecticut .gov website is wrong because a gun nut site says it is. Seriously?
If you read through those sites you must have seen the part that said anyone owning a machine gun or any other weapon prior to the date the law went into effect is welcome to keep them through a grandfather clause. I couldn't swear that anyone in Connecticut owns a machine gun but I don't thing the state lege would put that clause in if there weren't some machine gun owners living there. I don't see why anyone needs a machine gun or a 100 or even a 30 round drum. Must be expecting the zombie apocalypse. And have more money than sense
I could bump fire an AK or AR and most people wouldn't know it wasn't a machine gun. And effectively it wouldn't matter.
If you want a weapon for home protection buy a shotgun. More likely to hit the bad guy and a lot less likely to kill the neighbors.

Katrina... you'll need to talk to the NOPD about that because that's who confiscated the 700 or so guns. They did offer them back with proof of ownership. Not many people could provide that proof. An agreement was reached later I think whereby people could claim their guns by signing an affidavit swearing that they were the true and rightful owner. Personally I wouldn't trust a NOLA cop any farther than I could toss him. The feds had nothing to do with that. So the NOPD is going to set up a commie government and take over the world? Could be true...

Well yeah I did hear a lot about that. IIRC Germans did that. The ones you said had all their guns confiscated. You totally lost me there
The oil companies are making record profits and Wall Street & bankers are back to screwing people out of their hard earned money again but we're falling into communism??? No.. I'm sorry but that's just crazy talk. We're not in danger of becoming communist state... we're in danger of becoming a corporatocracy or whatever it's called when the richest control government. Hell we're already there really. We get to choose between the candidates the wealthiest in one party put up against the candidates that the wealthiest in the other party puts up.
From where I'm sitting that doesn't look much like a choice. We get to pick what we consider the lesser of two evils.

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53-202c, and 53-202e say you're wrong.And, your use of the term "gun nut" means I can't change your mind.
You are correct about one thing, though. Local police departments are becoming more militarized,

jekjr said:

Saw on the internet where people are lined up to register their guns and magazines in Connecticut. Reckon how long it will be now before they are lining back up to hand them in?

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I think this is a case of another government official going off the deep end again. I mean seriously Connecticut already had some of the strictest gun laws in the country, what good is registering a gun going to do? Is it going to stop what happened in Connecticut from happening again, No. There will always be guns available somewhere to buy without registration. There are in fact some states that prohibit any type of gun registration. This whole thing is just blown out of proportion.

Ric said:

I think this is a case of another government official going off the deep end again. I mean seriously Connecticut already had some of the strictest gun laws in the country, what good is registering a gun going to do? Is it going to stop what happened in Connecticut from happening again, No. There will always be guns available somewhere to buy without registration. There are in fact some states that prohibit any type of gun registration. This whole thing is just blown out of proportion.

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This legislation is right on the cusp of infringement. The teeth of it are right here and this is what bothers me.

Connecticut statutes contain provision that allow law enforcement officials to pre-emptively seize a person's firearms without a warrant or court order, when they have probable cause that the person may either be mentally unstable or intends to use the weapons to commit a crime. The weapons remain in the custody of the law enforcement office that confiscated them until further directed by an appropriate court of law.

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meanwhile in Washington DC:

Starting on Jan. 2, every single D.C. resident who has registered a firearm since 1976 must go to police headquarters to pay a $48 fee and be photographed and fingerprinted.

The Metropolitan Police Department estimates there are at least 30,000 registered gun owners.

If the registrant does not go to the police station within three months after a set time frame, the registration is revoked. That citizen is then in possession of an unregistered firearm, which is a felony that carries a maximum penalty of a $1,000 fine and a year in jail.

The gun itself is put into a category of weapons that can never be registered, just as though it were a machine gun or a sawed-off shotgun.

The city has not made clear how it will enforce the law, but the police are in possession of all registrants home addresses so confiscation and arrests would be simple.

The police are notifying registrants by mail that they have to come to the station on the set schedule.

Read more: MILLER: Gun re-registration law in D.C. goes into effect in 2014, may lead to arrest, confiscation - Washington Times
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

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MILLER: Gun re-registration law in D.C. goes into effect in 2014, may lead to arrest, confiscation - Washington Times

Ric said:

I think this is a case of another government official going off the deep end again. I mean seriously Connecticut already had some of the strictest gun laws in the country, what good is registering a gun going to do? Is it going to stop what happened in Connecticut from happening again, No. There will always be guns available somewhere to buy without registration. There are in fact some states that prohibit any type of gun registration. This whole thing is just blown out of proportion.

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The government would never do anything without thinking about it first..:laughing:...:laughing:..

wjjones said:

The government would never do anything without thinking about it first..:laughing:...:laughing:..

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Ya know what is really funny to me is what they are doing in Conn making people register firearms is a Felony here in Florida.

Wrong about what? Not that I've never been wrong lol.
I was a self described car nut at one time. Just means you're seriously into it. I see our point thought. There are some gun nuts that I'd consider nuts and wouldn't want to hang out with.
I think I'm right about more than one thing but the cops thing is scary. NOLA cops make me uncomfortable. The only LEA that comes close as far as corruption and loose cannons would be Los Angeles.
And yes the Homeland security agency has fitted out a lot of LEAs with high tech equipment they probably don't need and shouldn't have. They will have drones soon if they don't already.
The biggest disagreement I see here is that some of you believe the Federal government is getting ready to confiscate guns, declare martial law, and become communist.
You're right about one thing You won't change my mind on that. That is not going to happen. The people who really call the shots are capitalists. They would never cut their own throats by turning the US communist. You're not thinking this through.

Crawdad said:

53-202c, and 53-202e say you're wrong.And, your use of the term "gun nut" means I can't change your mind.
You are correct about one thing, though. Local police departments are becoming more militarized,

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Mike88se said:

Wrong about what? Not that I've never been wrong lol.
I was a self described car nut at one time. Just means you're seriously into it. I see our point thought. There are some gun nuts that I'd consider nuts and wouldn't want to hang out with.
I think I'm right about more than one thing but the cops thing is scary. NOLA cops make me uncomfortable. The only LEA that comes close as far as corruption and loose cannons would be Los Angeles.
And yes the Homeland security agency has fitted out a lot of LEAs with high tech equipment they probably don't need and shouldn't have. They will have drones soon if they don't already.
The biggest disagreement I see here is that some of you believe the Federal government is getting ready to confiscate guns, declare martial law, and become communist.
You're right about one thing You won't change my mind on that. That is not going to happen. The people who really call the shots are capitalists. They would never cut their own throats by turning the US communist. You're not thinking this through.

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I don't recall anybody mentioning communism, nazi's yes.
If you think communism is the concern, your not thinking this through. Freedom is what the issue is here. Nobody cares how many cars you have, the more the better. Cars help the economy, they require insurance, registration, tags...you get the picture. You have already been inoculated, part of the collective....with your car.
I'm guessing you don't give a **** about guns because you don't have one. Multiply 48 x 30,000 real quick. Soon it will be 48$ a year. Why not a 148$ a year?
bend over! now how do you like it?

If you don't recall anybody mentioning communism then you need to go back and reread the thread. Several people think communists are one step away from taking over.
You're right... I don't give a **** about guns. I don't care if you own one though. Or a hundred. You gotta pay to play.
Freedom is not an issue here. You're free to own as many guns as you can afford. You're just helping reinforce my point.
Cars are the economy. Vehicles and the fuel that is needed to run them. So yeah they are very important. Why then should I pay tax, registration (which is tax), inspections yearly, and insurance... and have gun owners pay nothing and no need for registration? Like they say... freedom ain't free. The reason gun registration makes sense is keeping track. There's a paper trail. The theory is that eventually all guns used in crimes could be tracked back. Make it harder for criminals to acquire guns. It won't stop crime but it will help. It wouldn't help much now because there are too many guns out there that aren't registered and don't have a paper trail. It probably seems like I want to take more freedom away but I'd make it harder to not only buy a gun... I'd make it harder to drive and buy a car. There are too many people out there who aren't sensible enough or responsible enough to own a gun or drive a car.
And we're all part of a collective. If we want good roads, streets, bridges, police, firemen, EMTs, military, parks, fancy sports stadiums, schools, libraries etc. Collectively we pay for those things. Is that socialism? I don't feel overtaxed onincome or what I buy. The US has one of the lowest tax rates in the world. Hell, there are some large corporations that have a negative effective tax rate.

RobertBrown said:

I don't recall anybody mentioning communism, nazi's yes.
If you think communism is the concern, your not thinking this through. Freedom is what the issue is here. Nobody cares how many cars you have, the more the better. Cars help the economy, they require insurance, registration, tags...you get the picture. You have already been inoculated, part of the collective....with your car.
I'm guessing you don't give a **** about guns because you don't have one. Multiply 48 x 30,000 real quick. Soon it will be 48$ a year. Why not a 148$ a year?
bend over! now how do you like it?

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Mike88se said:

And we're all part of a collective. If we want good roads, streets, bridges, police, firemen, EMTs, military, parks, fancy sports stadiums, schools, libraries etc. Collectively we pay for those things. Is that socialism? I don't feel overtaxed onincome or what I buy. The US has one of the lowest tax rates in the world. Hell, there are some large corporations that have a negative effective tax rate.

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I do feel overtaxed. Some of the Taxes United States Citizens Pay Each Year

Accounts Receivable Tax

Building Permit Tax

Capital Gains Tax

CDL license Tax

Cigarette Tax

Corporate Income Tax

Court Fines (indirect taxes)

Dog License Tax

Federal Income Tax

Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)

Fishing License Tax

Food License Tax

Fuel permit tax

Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)

Hunting License Tax

Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)

Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)

IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)

Liquor Tax

Local Income Tax

Luxury Taxes

Marriage License Tax

Medicare Tax

Property Tax

Real Estate Tax

Septic Permit Tax

Service Charge Taxes

Social Security Tax

Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)

Sales Taxes

Recreational Vehicle Tax

Road Toll Booth Taxes

School Tax

State Income Tax

State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)

Telephone federal excise tax

Telephone federal universal service fee tax

Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes

Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax

Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax

Telephone state and local tax

Telephone usage charge tax

Toll Bridge Taxes

Toll Tunnel Taxes

Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)

Trailer registration tax

Utility Taxes

Vehicle License Registration Tax

Vehicle Sales Tax

Watercraft registration Tax

Well Permit Tax

Workers Compensation Tax

and our newest tax according to our supreme court, ObamaCare. Not one of these taxes existed a little over 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world and Mom stayed home to raise the kids. What the hell happened? And to think we started a revolution over a tea tax and then the British King's imposed intolerable acts.
During the American Revolution, the active forces in the field against the King's tyranny never amounted to more than 3% of the colonists. They were in turn actively supported by perhaps 10% of the population. In addition to these revolutionaries were perhaps another 20% who favored their cause but did little or nothing to support it. Another one-third of the population sided with the King (by the end of the war there were actually more Americans fighting FOR the King than there were in the field against him) and the final third took no side, blew with the wind and took what came. The verdict of history is that no state remains committed to liberty forever, which means that such a time will come again.

Do you pay each of those taxes? I don't think that 100 years ago there was much of a middle class. The middle class began to grow about 100 years ago and boomed after WWII. The US is still the wealthiest nation in the world. Also by far the most powerful.
Before the income tax, US revenue came mostly from tariffs. That didn't work out that well for the average citizen but it was great for the wealthy. The gilded age.
100 years ago...
The average life expectancy in the U.S. was 47 years.

14 percent of the homes in the U.S. had a bathtub.

8 percent of homes had a telephone.

Infant mortality rate was about 15%

There were 144 miles of paved roads.

The average wage in the U.S. was 22 cents per hour.

The average U.S. worker made between $200 and $400 per year.

The average age was 23 years old.
Middle class?
You'd miss your cars and trucks and roads and bridges.
The first substantive act of the First Congress signed into law on July 4, 1789 imposed duties on tea, salt, beer, candles, sugar, cider, nails, shoes, soap.
Here's how overtaxed you are:


Anyway, we're getting way off topic here. My last say... People's guns are not going to be confiscated. We're not in danger of becoming socialist, communist, or Nazi. I'm 58 years old and I've been hearing this kind of talk since I was a child.
There will be no revolution.
I don't think the people who want a revolution could handle the US military, CIA, FBI, NSA, and all the rest of what the government would throw at them. I sure as hell wouldn't want to see it tried.

midnite rider said:

I do feel overtaxed. Some of the Taxes United States Citizens Pay Each Year

Accounts Receivable Tax

Building Permit Tax

Capital Gains Tax

CDL license Tax

Cigarette Tax

Corporate Income Tax

Court Fines (indirect taxes)

Dog License Tax

Federal Income Tax

Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)

Fishing License Tax

Food License Tax

Fuel permit tax

Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)

Hunting License Tax

Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)

Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)

IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)

Liquor Tax

Local Income Tax

Luxury Taxes

Marriage License Tax

Medicare Tax

Property Tax

Real Estate Tax

Septic Permit Tax

Service Charge Taxes

Social Security Tax

Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)

Sales Taxes

Recreational Vehicle Tax

Road Toll Booth Taxes

School Tax

State Income Tax

State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)

Telephone federal excise tax

Telephone federal universal service fee tax

Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes

Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax

Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax

Telephone state and local tax

Telephone usage charge tax

Toll Bridge Taxes

Toll Tunnel Taxes

Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)

Trailer registration tax

Utility Taxes

Vehicle License Registration Tax

Vehicle Sales Tax

Watercraft registration Tax

Well Permit Tax

Workers Compensation Tax

and our newest tax according to our supreme court, ObamaCare. Not one of these taxes existed a little over 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world and Mom stayed home to raise the kids. What the hell happened? And to think we started a revolution over a tea tax and then the British King's imposed intolerable acts.
During the American Revolution, the active forces in the field against the King's tyranny never amounted to more than 3% of the colonists. They were in turn actively supported by perhaps 10% of the population. In addition to these revolutionaries were perhaps another 20% who favored their cause but did little or nothing to support it. Another one-third of the population sided with the King (by the end of the war there were actually more Americans fighting FOR the King than there were in the field against him) and the final third took no side, blew with the wind and took what came. The verdict of history is that no state remains committed to liberty forever, which means that such a time will come again.

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Sounds like a lot of rambling, but if I may simplify ...what your saying is "shut up and pay it", "I don't own a gun so if they come for mine :cool2:.......it's just my rights after all, no big deal".
So members, If you can't afford your rights guaranteed by the constitution, no, matter what the price, that's not Mikes problem, he doesn't own a gun and apparently he's got lots of money.
You should consider politics, Mike. You have what it takes.

You can say I said something like that but that doesn't make it true. What's wrong with rambling... you did it
All I did was showed you that Americans don't really pay that much in taxes. Nobody likes paying taxes and fees... it's just something we have to accept if we want good roads and all that other stuff that makes it possible to live the way we've got accustomed to living. You don't have to shut up and pay it. But you do have to pay it. I'd never be so rude to tell anybody to shut up. There's a lot of things the govt does that I don't like. I don't like being spied on by our govt. I don't like our govt playing policeman to the world and starting senseless wars that waste a ton of money and lives and that can never be won. They don't ask my opinion on these things. I have to accept it. I don't have to shut up and accept it though. That's part of living here. You can say you don't like something but that doesn't mean it's going to be changed just because you don't like it. I'm gonna stop rambling now

RobertBrown said:

Sounds like a lot of rambling, but if I may simplify ...what your saying is "shut up and pay it", "I don't own a gun so if they come for mine :cool2:.......it's just my rights after all, no big deal".
So members, If you can't afford your rights guaranteed by the constitution, no, matter what the price, that's not Mikes problem, he doesn't own a gun and apparently he's got lots of money.
You should consider politics, Mike. You have what it takes.

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Mike88se said:

Do you pay each of those taxes? I don't think that 100 years ago there was much of a middle class. The middle class began to grow about 100 years ago and boomed after WWII. The US is still the wealthiest nation in the world. Also by far the most powerful.
Before the income tax, US revenue came mostly from tariffs. That didn't work out that well for the average citizen but it was great for the wealthy. The gilded age.
100 years ago...
The average life expectancy in the U.S. was 47 years.

14 percent of the homes in the U.S. had a bathtub.

8 percent of homes had a telephone.

Infant mortality rate was about 15%

There were 144 miles of paved roads.

The average wage in the U.S. was 22 cents per hour.

The average U.S. worker made between $200 and $400 per year.

The average age was 23 years old.
Middle class?
You'd miss your cars and trucks and roads and bridges.
The first substantive act of the First Congress signed into law on July 4, 1789 imposed duties on tea, salt, beer, candles, sugar, cider, nails, shoes, soap.
Here's how overtaxed you are:
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Anyway, we're getting way off topic here. My last say... People's guns are not going to be confiscated. We're not in danger of becoming socialist, communist, or Nazi. I'm 58 years old and I've been hearing this kind of talk since I was a child.
There will be no revolution.
I don't think the people who want a revolution could handle the US military, CIA, FBI, NSA, and all the rest of what the government would throw at them. I sure as hell wouldn't want to see it tried.

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I pay 80% of taxes I listed.

The USA is also the most in debt nation in the world, more than double that of the second most in debt nation and owes 20.61% of total world debt.

Tariffs are only for imports/exports, not items domestically produced and sold.

Average life expectancy was lower then due to infant mortality rate. Take that away and life expectancy increases.

People took a bath once a year in the not so distant past so no need for a bath tub. Years before that there were no telephones. Technology increases as we go forward. I fail to see your point.

The Roman Empire was the most powerful in the world and had more than 400,000 km of roads, of which over 80,500 km were stone-paved. Many believed the Roman Empire would not fail too.

Average individual income in 1900 was $800. As of 2013 average individual income is $26,364. Officially $800 in 1913 would be $18,602 today and unofficially $53,836. Quite a gap between the reported inflation and the real inflation rate as reflected in the price of gold. Always convert to gold to get to the truth. We have had a 99.7% reduction in the value of currency, and a 350% rise in the unemployment rate (because most in know understand real unemployment is probably over 23%).

July 4, 1789 imposed duties on tea, salt, beer, candles, sugar, cider, nails, shoes, soap were on imports, not domestic products. This was a voluntary tax, if you chose not to purchase imports you paid no tax. The first permanent income tax in the USA began in 1913.

Government Revenue in the United States has steadily increased from 7 percent of GDP in 1902 to over 35 percent today.

The attached chart shows the increasing length of time you work each year to pay your taxes in the USA.

I apologize for getting off topic and political, just thought people should know the facts. Never say never.

I do not want to see a revolution either, but history shows us that it will happen again. Whether or not in our lifetime, we have to see.

Thanks for the comments Mike, we can agree to disagree. Good day to all.

midnite rider said:

I pay 80% of taxes I listed.

The USA is also the most in debt nation in the world, more than double that of the second most in debt nation and owes 20.61% of total world debt.

Tariffs are only for imports/exports, not items domestically produced and sold.

Average life expectancy was lower then due to infant mortality rate. Take that away and life expectancy increases.

People took a bath once a year in the not so distant past so no need for a bath tub. Years before that there were no telephones. Technology increases as we go forward. I fail to see your point.

The Roman Empire was the most powerful in the world and had more than 400,000 km of roads, of which over 80,500 km were stone-paved. Many believed the Roman Empire would not fail too.

Average individual income in 1900 was $800. As of 2013 average individual income is $26,364. Officially $800 in 1913 would be $18,602 today and unofficially $53,836. Quite a gap between the reported inflation and the real inflation rate as reflected in the price of gold. Always convert to gold to get to the truth. We have had a 99.7% reduction in the value of currency, and a 350% rise in the unemployment rate (because most in know understand real unemployment is probably over 23%).

July 4, 1789 imposed duties on tea, salt, beer, candles, sugar, cider, nails, shoes, soap were on imports, not domestic products. This was a voluntary tax, if you chose not to purchase imports you paid no tax. The first permanent income tax in the USA began in 1913.

Government Revenue in the United States has steadily increased from 7 percent of GDP in 1902 to over 35 percent today.

The attached chart shows the increasing length of time you work each year to pay your taxes in the USA.

I apologize for getting off topic and political, just thought people should know the facts. Never say never.

I do not want to see a revolution either, but history shows us that it will happen again. Whether or not in our lifetime, we have to see.

Thanks for the comments Mike, we can agree to disagree. Good day to all.

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Yep I counted 19 off the list that apply to me, and most people in this country. What can you do but just pay the taxes. We can always agree to dis-agree thats what makes this forum so great

I also pay 19 on list. Will be 21 if the judge ever let's me drive again.

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I'm gonna stop rambling now

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Promise? You said that once before.

"You Americans"?

What we are talking about here...... if I may sift through all of the junk you just spewed... is your government hijacking rights guaranteed by the constitution and selling them back to it's constituents. That revenue is supposedly used to enforce gun laws which we are already paying for. These guns have already been registered once.
If you like that Mike... great. shut up and pay it!

RobertBrown said:

Promise? You said that once before.

"You Americans"?

What we are talking about here...... if I may sift through all of the junk you just spewed... is your government hijacking rights guaranteed by the constitution and selling them back to it's constituents. That revenue is supposedly used to enforce gun laws which we are already paying for. These guns have already been registered once.
If you like that Mike... great. shut up and pay it!

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Play nice now Mr. Robert. We all know the government doesnt tell us what they really use the money for. We have to live ignorant as far as they are concerned, and just pay the taxes. I dont mind paying my fair share of taxes. I think what upsets most tax payers is that its never enough, it is always mis- managed, wasted, and then they want more.

Okay... no rambling. The basic problem here is a lack of argument and reading comprehension skills on your part. Or maybe you just want to deliberately change my words and hope it isn't noticed?
There is no post where I say "you Americans."

Registering more than once? I didn't see that. Where did you see that?
Might want to keep in mind that there are state constitutions and then there's the US constitution.
This is a state law... not a federal law.
I do agree with wjjones... we have a right to know that each tax is going for what it was intended for and if what it's intended for is necessary. I'm thinking about these "bridges to nowhere" type taxes. There's a lot of things I don't like in government. Mostly this... how government works:

RobertBrown said:

Promise? You said that once before.

"You Americans"?

What we are talking about here...... if I may sift through all of the junk you just spewed... is your government hijacking rights guaranteed by the constitution and selling them back to it's constituents. That revenue is supposedly used to enforce gun laws which we are already paying for. These guns have already been registered once.
If you like that Mike... great. shut up and pay it!

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Mike88se said:

Okay... no rambling. The basic problem here is a lack of argument and reading comprehension skills on your part. Or maybe you just want to deliberately change my words and hope it isn't noticed?
There is no post where I say "you Americans."

Registering more than once? I didn't see that. Where did you see that?
Might want to keep in mind that there are state constitutions and then there's the US constitution.
This is a state law... not a federal law.
I do agree with wjjones... we have a right to know that each tax is going for what it was intended for and if what it's intended for is necessary. I'm thinking about these "bridges to nowhere" type taxes. There's a lot of things I don't like in government. Mostly this... how government works:
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Yep, and I believe there are alot of those (Bridges to nowhere taxes).

Anyway, we're getting way off topic here. My last say... People's guns are not going to be confiscated. We're not in danger of becoming socialist, communist, or Nazi. I'm 58 years old and I've been hearing this kind of talk since I was a child.
There will be no revolution.
I don't think the people who want a revolution could handle the US military, CIA, FBI, NSA, and all the rest of what the government would throw at them. I sure as hell wouldn't want to see it tried.[/QUOTE]

Just courteous how you can watch what is playing out in front of you on a daily basis and say that. Apparently you do not read much. There is too much documented evidence to prove otherwise. Throughout history gun registration only leads to gun confiscation. The only reason America has not already fallen is because of the numbers of guns in the hands of private citizens. With FEMA and these other government agencies gaining strength and arming themselves what do you think the government is preparing for.

All they have to do right now is turn the welfare and food stamp,cards off and we will be under martial law within 24 hours or less. Once that happens it will be down hill from there. That is just one scerino to bring it down like a house of cards.

wjjones said:

Yep, and I believe there are alot of those (Bridges to nowhere taxes).

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Yes sir, in every state... whether it's a project by local, state, or federal government.

jekjr said:

Just courteous how you can watch what is playing out in front of you on a daily basis and say that. Apparently you do not read much. There is too much documented evidence to prove otherwise. Throughout history gun registration only leads to gun confiscation. The only reason America has not already fallen is because of the numbers of guns in the hands of private citizens. With FEMA and these other government agencies gaining strength and arming themselves what do you think the government is preparing for.

All they have to do right now is turn the welfare and food stamp,cards off and we will be under martial law within 24 hours or less. Once that happens it will be down hill from there. That is just one scerino to bring it down like a house of cards.

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I do read a lot jekjr... more than is probably good for me. I don't ave much faith in government whether it's local or federal. I just don't see what you see. I haven't seen any stories on confiscation. That's NRA and other organizations fear tactics. The NRA used to be a good, legitimate organization. Now its just another lobbyist group.
The US government is not planning to confiscate weapons and declare martial law and become a totalitarian dictatorship.
Not because they are afraid of armed citizens. They could crush that easily. There's just no point in it. And I doubt that anyone who is capable of setting that in motion even has an interest in doing it.
Let me ask you a question. What do you see happening that makes you think this is coming? What do you read that makes you think it's coming?

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Yes sir, in every state... whether it's a project by local, state, or federal government.

I do read a lot jekjr... more than is probably good for me. I don't ave much faith in government whether it's local or federal. I just don't see what you see. I haven't seen any stories on confiscation. That's NRA and other organizations fear tactics. The NRA used to be a good, legitimate organization. Now its just another lobbyist group.
The US government is not planning to confiscate weapons and declare martial law and become a totalitarian dictatorship.
Not because they are afraid of armed citizens. They could crush that easily. There's just no point in it. And I doubt that anyone who is capable of setting that in motion even has an interest in doing it.
Let me ask you a question. What do you see happening that makes you think this is coming? What do you read that makes you think it's coming?

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If it were not for the NRA the guns would already be pretty much a thing of the past.

jekjr said:

If it were not for the NRA the guns would already be pretty much a thing of the past.

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Yes sir I agree.

Registering more than once? I didn't see that. Where did you see that?

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Well that explains a lot.
You and I are not on the same page. Rather than comment on your attention to detail, I will politely direct you to the post that explains clearly what I've been talking about. It's not hard to find as this thread is brief.
Using my powers of deduction....I suppose you have already located it. If you have not. I'll be happy to help.
Your welcome

We are probably not even in the same book. There is no reregistration in Connecticut. Rather than comment on your inability to stay on topic I'll just wish you a nice day

RobertBrown said:

Well that explains a lot.
You and I are not on the same page. Rather than comment on your attention to detail, I will politely direct you to the post that explains clearly what I've been talking about. It's not hard to find as this thread is brief.
Using my powers of deduction....I suppose you have already located it. If you have not. I'll be happy to help.
Your welcome

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I think this thread need to be put away with the what oil to use threads.

Carscw said:

I think this thread need to be put away with the what oil to use threads.

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Lol and "the best" threads lol

Mike88se said:

We are probably not even in the same book. There is no reregistration in Connecticut. Rather than comment on your inability to stay on topic I'll just wish you a nice day

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Oh, you've said that before.
I'm on topic, your lost.
I'm waiting.........

Mike88se said:

I do read a lot jekjr... more than is probably good for me. I don't ave much faith in government whether it's local or federal. I just don't see what you see. I haven't seen any stories on confiscation. That's NRA and other organizations fear tactics. The NRA used to be a good, legitimate organization. Now its just another lobbyist group.
The US government is not planning to confiscate weapons and declare martial law and become a totalitarian dictatorship.
Not because they are afraid of armed citizens. They could crush that easily. There's just no point in it. And I doubt that anyone who is capable of setting that in motion even has an interest in doing it.
Let me ask you a question. What do you see happening that makes you think this is coming? What do you read that makes you think it's coming?

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Oh please. You didn't see Ray Nagin's idiocy after Katrina? Shame on you if you didn't, as it was being broadcast on even the most liberal news shows. That was only one of the confiscations that have happened over the years "for the greater good." Who's greater good? Certainly not mine, had I lived there. Go live in England or Australia if you don't fear confiscation. Confiscation is a coming reality here just as much as "eliminating the Second Amendment from the Constitution," which is really what gun-grabbers want, and if you don't believe that you're either being deliberately disingenuous or truly have your head in the sand. When this goes federal, there will be another revolution, demonstrated quite nicely several years ago by California's willful disobedience to an "assault rifle" registration, that netted the constabulary about 3% of the owners towing the line. And creeping incrementalism is what is going to make this country socialist, which will then lead to communism "for the greater good." Again, if you don't see this happening, I am sorry for you. A blind man could see it with a cane. Try reading Obama's own writings-he's a socialist through and through.

This (Obamacare) is the best option for now, as it gets us that much closer to a single-payer system (socialized medicine).....B. Obama

I've been for a single-payer system since before most of you were born.......N. Pelosi

The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms. History shows that all conquerors that have allowed the subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.......Adolf Hitler

This will not work if we remain armed-we proved it during the first revolution and will again if need be, and that's why the government, especially the liberals want us disarmed.

RobertBrown said:

Oh, you've said that before.
I'm on topic, your lost.
I'm waiting.........

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You can say what you want... that doesn't make it true. Unless you want to show proof that Connecticut is making gun owners reregister...

Stevie-Ray said:

Oh please. You didn't see Ray Nagin's idiocy after Katrina? Shame on you if you didn't, as it was being broadcast on even the most liberal news shows. That was only one of the confiscations that have happened over the years "for the greater good." Who's greater good? Certainly not mine, had I lived there. Go live in England or Australia if you don't fear confiscation. Confiscation is a coming reality here just as much as "eliminating the Second Amendment from the Constitution," which is really what gun-grabbers want, and if you don't believe that you're either being deliberately disingenuous or truly have your head in the sand. When this goes federal, there will be another revolution, demonstrated quite nicely several years ago by California's willful disobedience to an "assault rifle" registration, that netted the constabulary about 3% of the owners towing the line. And creeping incrementalism is what is going to make this country socialist, which will then lead to communism "for the greater good." Again, if you don't see this happening, I am sorry for you. A blind man could see it with a cane. Try reading Obama's own writings-he's a socialist through and through.

This (Obamacare) is the best option for now, as it gets us that much closer to a single-payer system (socialized medicine).....B. Obama

I've been for a single-payer system since before most of you were born.......N. Pelosi

The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms. History shows that all conquerors that have allowed the subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.......Adolf Hitler

This will not work if we remain armed-we proved it during the first revolution and will again if need be, and that's why the government, especially the liberals want us disarmed.

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Yeah NOLA has already come up. Nagin and NOPD are in New Orleans.
Like I said I've been hear chicken littles say the commies are taking over since I was a kid. It's not happening. Lets talk when you have something.
I don't fear confiscation or creeping socialism/communism and no... I'm not going anywhere.
The NRA and conspiracy theorists have gotten you all worked up.
Now why would they do that?

edit: Anybody know if all the guns were returned in NOLA? I'd be surprised if any of the good stuff was still in the property room after the lawsuit.

exotion said:

This is just funny.. thing about Americans even if we all register our guns and they come knocking on your door Americans aren't going to willingly give up there guns . And if we are going to fall into communism the rest of the world is going to **** to... We have been in almost every war promoting and killing for democracy your fears about us falling into communism is retarded its not going to happen even if they try to many people won't allow it so stop being silly

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I am curious as to who is willing to stop it. We now have sworn communist in power in all aspects of our government. As it was in Germany according to several I have heard share the majority of the people ridiculed those that said it was coming. To say we are not teetering on the brink of Socialism which will lead to communism quickly is to have one's head in the sand.

Our military is being programmed in certain aspects to see those who disagree as the enemy. Yes the rest of the world is going to **** along with us.

If you are too blind to see this you are in trouble.

This really puzzles me. While former communist nations are moving towards capitalism or already have become capitalists some of you think the most capitalist nation on earth is moving to communism. How do you square that in your minds?
Who are these sworn communists that are in power? And where would I find proof that they are?
And why do yall keep making references to Germany and I'm guessing you mean Nazi Germany. Nazis hated socialists and communists. The only similarities I see with Nazi Germany and Capitalist America is the plan to dominate the world. Germany through military power and America through economic power and judicious use of military power and the most important part the intelligence network.
How many military actions around the world does China have going now? Russia? North Korea? Now how many do we have?
I'd be willing to make a large bet that in 20 years the US will still have the same form of government we have now.

jekjr said:

I am curious as to who is willing to stop it. We now have sworn communist in power in all aspects of our government. As it was in Germany according to several I have heard share the majority of the people ridiculed those that said it was coming. To say we are not teetering on the brink of Socialism which will lead to communism quickly is to have one's head in the sand.

Our military is being programmed in certain aspects to see those who disagree as the enemy. Yes the rest of the world is going to **** along with us.

If you are too blind to see this you are in trouble.

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exotion said:

Lol and "the best" threads lol

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Its just good comradery.

Mike88se said:

You can say what you want... that doesn't make it true. Unless you want to show proof that Connecticut is making gun owners reregister...


Yeah NOLA has already come up. Nagin and NOPD are in New Orleans.
Like I said I've been hear chicken littles say the commies are taking over since I was a kid. It's not happening. Lets talk when you have something.

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What for? I could be sitting on your chest beating you over the head with it, and you'd still be telling me the sky is orange. And lawsuits make it alright eh? Yeah, we'll simply confiscate your guns, but you may get them back after several years when we're proved wrong, if they haven't been destroyed for the greater good by then.
The idea is to never give them up in the first place. Once the Second Amendment is history, the rest is easy. It just happens to be in the way right now.

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What for? I could be sitting on your chest beating you over the head with it, and you'd still be telling me the sky is orange. And lawsuits make it alright eh? Yeah, we'll simply confiscate your guns, but you may get them back after several years when we're proved wrong, if they haven't been destroyed for the greater good by then.
The idea is to never give them up in the first place. Once the Second Amendment is history, the rest is easy. It just happens to be in the way right now.

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Look... here's the deal with you and a few others here. You're right and anyone who disagrees is wrong regardless of whether you have any facts to back up you claims and conspiracy theories.
And you don't even listen. Nowhere did I defend Nagin or the NOPD. I have said twice now that they are corrupt and out of control and that was a good example. What happened in NOLA was an isolated event... by local authorities. No way to spin that as being a federal plan to take your guns away. That just dont fly... shouldn't even have to point that out. Cops out of control... happens all the time. Happened in Oakland and NYC a while back with those Occupy protesters.
That didn't bother you though because they're on the other side right? Didn't bother you when those cops beat that mentally ill kid to death?
It didn't bother you when Bush set up "free speech zones" did it? Civil and Constitutional rights only apply to conservatives I've heard that Obama has done it too and I can tell you it pisses me off. There shouldn't be any free speech "zones" in America. The whole country is supposed to be a free speech zone.
Hint: you're the one saying the sky isn't blue... not me. I stay based in reality. When you have anything more than paranoia and an extreme dislike of Obama, Pelosi, or whoever, come back and we'll talk. Because right now nobody in this thread has anything but theories, wild speculation and fear that we're on the brink of a communist dictatorship.

Mike88se said:

Look... here's the deal with you and a few others here. You're right and anyone who disagrees is wrong regardless of whether you have any facts to back up you claims and conspiracy theories.
And you don't even listen. Nowhere did I defend Nagin or the NOPD. I have said twice now that they are corrupt and out of control and that was a good example. What happened in NOLA was an isolated event... by local authorities. No way to spin that as being a federal plan to take your guns away. That just dont fly... shouldn't even have to point that out. Cops out of control... happens all the time. Happened in Oakland and NYC a while back with those Occupy protesters.
That didn't bother you though because they're on the other side right? Didn't bother you when those cops beat that mentally ill kid to death?
It didn't bother you when Bush set up "free speech zones" did it? Civil and Constitutional rights only apply to conservatives I've heard that Obama has done it too and I can tell you it pisses me off. There shouldn't be any free speech "zones" in America. The whole country is supposed to be a free speech zone.
Hint: you're the one saying the sky isn't blue... not me. I stay based in reality. When you have anything more than paranoia and an extreme dislike of Obama, Pelosi, or whoever, come back and we'll talk. Because right now nobody in this thread has anything but theories, wild speculation and fear that we're on the brink of a communist dictatorship.

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I object.. I dont even have a theory.:laughing:..:laughing:..:smile:

wjjones said:

Its just good comradery.

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wjjones said:

I object.. I dont even have a theory.:laughing:..:laughing:..:smile:

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Papers please comrade

What does any of this have to do with mowers?

Carscw said:

What does any of this have to do with mowers?

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Its the front porch section. It is for the stuff that is un-related to equipment, mowers, etc.

wjjones said:

Its the front porch section. It is for the stuff that is un-related to equipment, mowers, etc.

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I know this.
Was being funny to break it up a little

I used to kid around about installing a 50mm on my car/truck for those really stupid drivers

Carscw said:

I know this.
Was being funny to break it up a little

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Carscw said:

I know this.
Was being funny to break it up a little

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Yep.:thumbsup:

I have come to the conclusion that if you believe something then no evidence is necessary. If you don't believe something then no evidence is sufficient.

Truth to an individual is only what you believe, regardless of what the truth really is.

There in lies the problems of America today.

Mike88se said:

Look... here's the deal with you and a few others here. You're right and anyone who disagrees is wrong regardless of whether you have any facts to back up you claims and conspiracy theories.
And you don't even listen. Nowhere did I defend Nagin or the NOPD. I have said twice now that they are corrupt and out of control and that was a good example. What happened in NOLA was an isolated event... by local authorities. No way to spin that as being a federal plan to take your guns away. That just dont fly... shouldn't even have to point that out. Cops out of control... happens all the time. Happened in Oakland and NYC a while back with those Occupy protesters.
That didn't bother you though because they're on the other side right? Didn't bother you when those cops beat that mentally ill kid to death?
It didn't bother you when Bush set up "free speech zones" did it? Civil and Constitutional rights only apply to conservatives I've heard that Obama has done it too and I can tell you it pisses me off. There shouldn't be any free speech "zones" in America. The whole country is supposed to be a free speech zone.
Hint: you're the one saying the sky isn't blue... not me. I stay based in reality. When you have anything more than paranoia and an extreme dislike of Obama, Pelosi, or whoever, come back and we'll talk. Because right now nobody in this thread has anything but theories, wild speculation and fear that we're on the brink of a communist dictatorship.

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Who the hell do you think you are putting words in my mouth? I was completely and unequivocally against "the patriot act" et all, that seem to be the driving force in letting a sitting president do whatever the hell he wants. And Bush wasn't even my candidate. But I would have voted for him a thousand times over the likes of Obama and his cohorts. These "isolated events" will getting more and more numerous as long as Obama remains in office, because his office will NEVER admit to anybody denying rights to citizens in this way. You want facts, here are FACTS.

Obama is vehemently anti-gun and has always been. His voting record doesn't lie.

He has appointed 2 vehemently anti-gun Supreme Court Justices, making us one justice away from re-visiting the "individual right" victory of the Second Amendment. Sotomayor has signed an opinion claiming there "is no individual right to private self-defense, which proves her inability to even interpret the Constitution. I won't bother to list the federal judges.

Obama pays lip-service to "protecting the Second Amendment" while telling Sarah Brady "we are working on gun-control, but under the radar."

The Obama administration oversaw the sale of guns to Mexican drug gangs in its Fast & Furious program to bolster statistics of guns crossing over to the border to these very drug gangs, in hopes that this would provide further outrage, and increase calls for gun-control.

Obama seriously wants the assault weapon ban back on the books and said Bush erred by not doing it. In fact his own ineptitude is showing, as Bush would have signed it (jackass) if it would have made it to his desk. There were not enough votes in Congress for a re-entry of a law that made absolutely no sense, and didn't work the first time.

This is just a few of the things that have happened on Obama's watch. Important, because I have stated that in order to sell socialism to the American public, you must first dis-arm them. That way there can be no serious revolution if the public is a bit smarter than you initially thought. Like it or not, generally, more liberals mean more taxes, and more taking out of one pocket to put in another, likely one that is too lazy to fend for themselves. More conservatives means more liberties, cutting taxes, and giving companies more of their own money with which to hire more people and grow the economy. When you have anything more than a yearning to bow down at Obama's feet and kiss his ring, during those times you actually come down from Utopia, we'll talk.

Mike88se said:

Yes sir, in every state... whether it's a project by local, state, or federal government.

I do read a lot jekjr... more than is probably good for me. I don't ave much faith in government whether it's local or federal. I just don't see what you see. I haven't seen any stories on confiscation. That's NRA and other organizations fear tactics. The NRA used to be a good, legitimate organization. Now its just another lobbyist group.
The US government is not planning to confiscate weapons and declare martial law and become a totalitarian dictatorship.
Not because they are afraid of armed citizens. They could crush that easily. There's just no point in it. And I doubt that anyone who is capable of setting that in motion even has an interest in doing it.
Let me ask you a question. What do you see happening that makes you think this is coming? What do you read that makes you think it's coming?

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Since you read a lot, read up on all of this and the hundreds more executive orders that this president has signed in the last two years. In fact I saw a columnist in a small town paper that I read last night that stated he has now enacted more executive orders than all of the other presidents put together from G. Bush Jr back to George Washington already.

Read up on some of these and tell me why else they would need to be written. executive order #10995--allows the government to seize and control the communication media----# 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals--- # 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms---#11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision---#11001 allows the government to take over all health, education, and welfare functions........

Since I am apparently so ignorant please explain to me why we would need these orders. Oh I am sure they are for MY protection right. Of course while they have taken the guns of law abiding citizens up.

Okay... happy to oblige Executive orders are government records... recorded and numbered. Obama's first executive order was 13489. Obviously that means he could not have issued those you mentioned. Looks like he has a long way to go just to catch up with Bush2
snopes.com: President Obama's 923 Executive Orders
We're all operating on degrees of ignorance here... myself included. I do take a little extra time to try to find out if what I'm being told is true.
Executive Orders

jekjr said:

Since you read a lot, read up on all of this and the hundreds more executive orders that this president has signed in the last two years. In fact I saw a columnist in a small town paper that I read last night that stated he has now enacted more executive orders than all of the other presidents put together from G. Bush Jr back to George Washington already.

Read up on some of these and tell me why else they would need to be written. executive order #10995--allows the government to seize and control the communication media----# 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals--- # 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms---#11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision---#11001 allows the government to take over all health, education, and welfare functions........

Since I am apparently so ignorant please explain to me why we would need these orders. Oh I am sure they are for MY protection right. Of course while they have taken the guns of law abiding citizens up.

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Anybody that complies and registers his guns is nuts.

The gubmint cannot take what they don't know about.

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Carscw said:

What does any of this have to do with mowers?

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I don't even know what they are talking about

only two reasons to register them - tax them or take them ! the bad guys wont register theirs . so that leaves law abiding people to register theirs .

Why do you want me to register mine ?

LOL I am just awaiting a few on here to give me their definition of the following since there seems to be some confusion.
Assault Rifle
Machine Gun
Semi Auto Rifle
and what is the designation of the AR15.

The people in Connecticut are fools if they comply with that Anti-Constitution law and register their rifles and magazines, I would not register a damn thing more that what I have now.
I own 15 NFA registered items, my stuff is legal and that is all I am doing, I am not giving up anything, I am not turning in anything and if anyone believes osama would not snatch up our weapons in a new york minute is a even bigger fool!

osama, hillary, biden, and that piece of **** holder would disarm this country in a heartbeat.

Now osama is setting us up again just like old billy clinton, cut the Military down by over 50%, close bases, make us weak and here comes another 9/11, I mean that man killed this county, nafta, awb, and he ran through 16 years of President Reagan's 20 year plan in 8 years.



Tindal
That is the problem with the democrats, they want to register, restrict, track, tax, and take, but they are too stupid to realize the criminals are criminals they fly under the radar obtaining weapons illegally and do not care what it takes to get them and use them in the commission of a crime.

Oh and here are just a few of my little jewels:
LMT MRP CQB


Daniel Defense MK18


LMT MRP CQB Piston

Obama... Did nothing people are stupid enough to believe a president has any real power do not deserve to own firearms... He's just a pretty face in front of the system someone to blame..

exotion said:

Obama... Did nothing people are stupid enough to believe a president has any real power do not deserve to own firearms... He's just a pretty face in front of the system someone to blame..

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I agree people act like he can do whatever he wants.

I worry more about the guy with 50 guns then I do about Obama.

And no I am not a Obama fan but dislike bush even more.