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Either one will be fine with reasonable care. Here's how my Honda GCV190 will not see the inside of a shop:

Bought the mower last month:

Bought a shop manual and will follow the service intervals.

Use non-ethanol gas.

Use a "Mr. Funnel " to filter the gas added to the tank.

Use an HDEO engine oil, Shell Rotella.

With no bias. a Chonda clone, Chinese Briggs or Honda will all last and run for upwards of 1000 hours if treated like this.

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That can be a yes or no answer. Just for your own good luck I will give you a YES vote. 1000 hrs. is a lot of hours??? and things happen other then lubrication problems.

reynoldston said:

That can be a yes or no answer. Just for your own good luck I will give you a YES vote. 1000 hrs. is a lot of hours??? and things happen other then lubrication problems.

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Well I cheated some. Over on "bobistheoilguy.com" Nick1999 has an hour meter on a Honda GCV160 with 700+ hours.
And "clevy" on the same forum has some Honda Clones with "hundreds" of hours. He changes the oil weekly.

Who out there can show these kind of hours, and please let us know how you did it

Here you are talking lubrication only. I don't care if you change the oil every day things happen. Chassis problems, valves break, normal wear and tear, adjustments Didn't you say never see the shop? Like I said 1000 hrs. is a lot of hours so lets be real here. Yes it can happen but don't count on it. This was brought up on a lot earlier thread but that person was talking a lot more hours.

GregGA said:

Well I cheated some. Over on "bobistheoilguy.com" Nick1999 has an hour meter on a Honda GCV160 with 700+ hours.
And "clevy" on the same forum has some Honda Clones with "hundreds" of hours. He changes the oil weekly.

Who out there can show these kind of hours, and please let us know how you did it

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I have around 700 hours on both my GCV160 and GCV190. No problems.

lawn mower fanatic said:

I have around 700 hours on both my GCV160 and GCV190. No problems.

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Yah probably 800ish on my gcv160 no issues yes

I change oil every 30 hours regular oil
Sharpen blades every 15 hours
Change spark plug once a season
Change air filter every other month
Lube wheels and gears every 30 hrs
I will probably check valves at end of season.
For one week a month I run a small mix of tc3w 2 cycle oil mixed once ounce per gallon into a 2 gallon tank cleans everything up

exotion said:

Yah probably 800ish on my gcv160 no issues yes

I change oil every 30 hours regular oil
Sharpen blades every 15 hours
Change spark plug once a season
Change air filter every other month
Lube wheels and gears every 30 hrs
I will probably check valves at end of season.
For one week a month I run a small mix of tc3w 2 cycle oil mixed once ounce per gallon into a 2 gallon tank cleans everything up

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Honda hands down

briggs said:

Honda hands down

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You should change your username to 'honda' then. :laughing:

lawn mower fanatic said:

You should change your username to 'honda' then. :laughing:

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lol i like Briggs don't get me wrong but i find the Honda a better product all around they last longer and work great i get allot in here at my shop mostly for the basic stuff like tune ups the odd carb clean that's about it nothing to major

briggs said:

lol i like Briggs don't get me wrong but i find the Honda a better product all around they last longer and work great i get allot in here at my shop mostly for the basic stuff like tune ups the odd carb clean that's about it nothing to major

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Good to hear!

lawn mower fanatic said:

I have around 700 hours on both my GCV160 and GCV190. No problems.

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Just 300 hours more to go and you will make the 1000hr club without any problems. My Kohler has 800 hrs. on it but I have had a few small problems like oil leaks and some bad wires.

In England there are generators that are powered by briggs vanguard horizontal vtwins that have approx 10,000 hrs +.
I cant remember exactly what they are for but i think its an mod base or something.
Apart from general servicing they have not given any major faults

pugaltitude said:

In England there are generators that are powered by briggs vanguard horizontal vtwins that have approx 10,000 hrs +.
I cant remember exactly what they are for but i think its an mod base or something.
Apart from general servicing they have not given any major faults

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What is the quality of the current production of Briggs? Have you replaced any old engines with new Briggs and what do you think? Does Briggs have a European plant?

What other small gas engines are available in Europe/UK that you find outstanding?

Do you feel if a person does everything as they should: no stale/contaminated gas, oil changes with quality oil, RPMS within governed speed,etc that a homeowner "250 hr engine" will last much longer?

Thank you!

pugaltitude said:

In England there are generators that are powered by briggs vanguard horizontal vtwins that have approx 10,000 hrs +.
I cant remember exactly what they are for but i think its an mod base or something.
Apart from general servicing they have not given any major faults

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10,000 hrs. running a generator without any major faults. Now is that 10,000 hrs. under a full load with a air cooled engine. Am I missing something here on this story???

reynoldston said:

10,000 hrs. running a generator without any major faults. Now is that 10,000 hrs. under a full load with a air cooled engine. Am I missing something here on this story???

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Hmm. I drive a 2003 International bus that has 7698hours, 108,000 miles. Not at full load...10,000 IS a LOT of hours!!

GregGA said:

Hmm. I drive a 2003 International bus that has 7698hours, 108,000 miles. Not at full load...10,000 IS a LOT of hours!!

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The two engines are nothing alike. A Briggs air cooled engine compared to a commensal water cooled bus engine.

reynoldston said:

The two engines are nothing alike. A Briggs air cooled engine compared to a commensal water cooled bus engine.

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Agree. Just giving a comparison in hours/miles to show rhe work the Briggs is doing,

GregGA said:

What is the quality of the current production of Briggs? Have you replaced any old engines with new Briggs and what do you think? Does Briggs have a European plant?

What other small gas engines are available in Europe/UK that you find outstanding?

Do you feel if a person does everything as they should: no stale/contaminated gas, oil changes with quality oil, RPMS within governed speed,etc that a homeowner "250 hr engine" will last much longer?

Thank you!

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Its a shame the Briggs sprint has finally came to an end.
160 million made shows how good and robust they were.
As for the new 450 series time will tell but problem with carbs and hot start but early days.

The DOV by Briggs is a good model but aimed at the higher end market. Very robust.
Thank god Intek has gone. the model 11/12 intek was crap.
This new 800 series looks promising.
The old model 28 was a brilliant ride on engine and model 21 is doing a job but the 28 was simple and well built.
Vanguard is still the best. Only ever had one warranty on Vanguard in 13 years of selling.
Briggs had a plant at czech republic that made the sprint but think closed down.

As for new engines then you are going to think im a hypocrite.
I sell a 2 stroke product which is called Mitox
It is assembled in china. Engines made in europe.
The company that imports it has strict control on whats fitted.
Walbro carbs, full crank engines and high spec on each product.
We sold efco which were built in china but had the efco price. We took the middle man away and so the price was better.

I would put Mitox before any 2 stroke product in its market aimed at domestic and land owner.
It isnt aimed at commercial but we have sold it to gardeners and golf courses and its held up well.

Yes if you look after your equipment then it will look after you.

reynoldston said:

10,000 hrs. running a generator without any major faults. Now is that 10,000 hrs. under a full load with a air cooled engine. Am I missing something here on this story???

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10,000 is not a lot.
How many hours in a year?

pugaltitude said:

10,000 is not a lot.
How many hours in a year?

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8760:smile: