Pz 60 drive belt idler spring hammering/chattering

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My pz 60 zero turn mower is about 5 years old and today I suddenly felt and heard a bad vibration while mowing. The vibration is at the drive belt (not deck belt) idler. It is hammering back and forth violently. My original drive belt looked pretty worn, so I bought a new belt and tension spring. The idler pulley assembly seems to be in good shape. After replacing the belt and spring, it made no difference. I decided to try to run it some more to see if it smoothed out or changed, and it shredded the new belt within about 10 minutes. I can't see anything wrong with the 2 hydro pulleys or the clutch pulley. This seems completely unrelated to the deck since it happens without it engaged. I'm stumped and desperate. Screenshot_20220713-215746_Gallery.jpg
 

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Jack the mower up & put it on firm stands
Give it a good shake to be sure
get an assistant to start the mower & work the lap bars
You are looking for a hydro that is wobbly or a pulley that seems to be running eccentrically or the engine being loose
Are you sure the belt is routed correctly >
The tension arm goes on the run of the belt that comes off the engine pulley ( push side if you like )
 

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Did you check for something wedged in the pulleys.
 

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Jack the mower up & put it on firm stands
Give it a good shake to be sure
get an assistant to start the mower & work the lap bars
You are looking for a hydro that is wobbly or a pulley that seems to be running eccentrically or the engine being loose
Are you sure the belt is routed correctly >
The tension arm goes on the run of the belt that comes off the engine pulley ( push side if you like )
I did watch underneath with it running, and the clutch and hydro pulleys looked smooth, but I haven't had someone work the lap bars while I watch, so I'll give that a try. Forgive my crude drawing, but this explains my issue and shows how the belt is routed. The drawing view is from underneath looking up. Thanks
 

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Did you check for something wedged in the pulleys.
I checked, but I'll make 100% sure when I get it jacked up later today. Thanks
 

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I did watch underneath with it running, and the clutch and hydro pulleys looked smooth, but I haven't had someone work the lap bars while I watch, so I'll give that a try. Forgive my crude drawing, but this explains my issue and shows how the belt is routed. The drawing view is from underneath looking up. Thanks
crude is fine by me
belts shred because they are forced to run against some thing that is not moving
A for instance would be a stick jambed between one of the pulleys & the mower frame
or being on the wrong side of a belt keeper or even a bent fan blade .
If you have the old shredded belt some photos of it would be good because the damage to the belt & it's position will point to the MODE of failure .
Some thing stuck right down deep in one of the pulleys will cause the belt to flick and damage the belt at intervals roughy equal to the circumference of the offending pulley and damaged the root of the V
The tension pulley should run smooth & silently if not it can jamb & force the belt to slide over it which tears the back of the cover .
weak tension spring can cause the belt to flutter as does a belt that is too long .
I test bent tension by grabbing the belt between the right hydro & engine pulley
Pulling the belt towards the engine pulley should cause the engine pulley to rotate right through compression if the tension is correct
Not easy to get your paws in there and of course the brakes must be off .

Frames are known to crack & hydros come loose .
Get the heaviest person around to stand on the frame over the engine then walk back a few feet and have a good look at the wheels
You are checking for them tilting in at the top
If you post th full mower model & serial number I will see if I can pull up an IPL to check for belt keepers
Quite a few mowers have them forward of the hydro pulleys where you can not see or feel them .
 

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I wanted to thank you guys for helping me out. Today I found a chunk of wood lodged in the clutch pulley. I feel like an idiot for not catching it sooner, but that pulley is so hard to see and I must not have felt all the way around the first time. It smoothed out as soon as I got that chunk of wood removed. Thanks again!
 

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I have found a lot of chunks of wood just like that. Sure creates havoc. Glad you found it.
 

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Don't feel bad
It happens every day
I use a magnet on a stick to check V pulleys
We have gum trees down here that drop gum nuts which get stuck in pulleys all the time then squashed nearly flat .
 
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