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Next year in 2013 I swear im going to combat these no name lawn cutters!!! The next time Im driving down the road and see a crew cutting grass with no name on thier truck, im going to take a picture and write down thier plate number. I will then turn it over to the department of agriculture. Im tired of these guys. They dont pay taxes, insuarance, or fees. I just got done paying $2200.00 for a year of insuarance, fees, and permits. Im going to call the dept. of agriculture to find out if I can combat these no name guys. Hopefully they will work with me on this.

AmericanTurf said:

Next year in 2013 I swear im going to combat these no name lawn cutters!!! The next time Im driving down the road and see a crew cutting grass with no name on their truck, im going to take a picture and write down their plate number. I will then turn it over to the department of agriculture. Im tired of these guys. They don't pay taxes, insurance, or fees. I just got done paying $2200.00 for a year of insurance, fees, and permits. I'm going to call the dept. of agriculture to find out if I can combat these no name guys. Hopefully they will work with me on this.

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You are probably wasting your time. I don't know what the laws their are, but in a lot of places all you need or required to have for the business is a DBA and a Tax Receipt Number. No body says you have to have a name on your truck to advertise.

AmericanTurf said:

Next year in 2013 I swear im going to combat these no name lawn cutters!!! The next time Im driving down the road and see a crew cutting grass with no name on thier truck, im going to take a picture and write down thier plate number. I will then turn it over to the department of agriculture. Im tired of these guys. They dont pay taxes, insuarance, or fees. I just got done paying $2200.00 for a year of insuarance, fees, and permits. Im going to call the dept. of agriculture to find out if I can combat these no name guys. Hopefully they will work with me on this.

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I do not have a name on my truck but I pay taxes.
I don't have a name or number on my truck because I do not want any one calling me to do there yard.

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I have no name on my truck or on the shirts I wear. I pay taxes, I pay insurance just like the ones with there names painted on their trucks. You'll spend a lot of time taking pictures and tag numbers with not a lot of satisfaction. Myself, I don't have that kind of time. I'm to busy.

I been told that here in Wisconsin that the no name lawn business are not following laws.
After hearing all your feed back, I guess it makes sense that you don't have to have a name on your truck if so chosen. Here in Wisconsin a state trouper can pull you over for inspection. They can fine you for not having trailor brakes and even for not having safety gas cans. I paid $50 bucks for just one safety can alone. And the state boys do actually pull trucks over around here.
Maybe that's why some people don't have names, so that they don't get pulled over. But on the same note a trouper can pull any truck over. Oh we'll I guess I'll just keep to myself and not worry about no name company's.
thanks for the feed back.

I don't have signs on my truck either, but I'm licensed both city and county where I live, and as far as I know it's optional, at least I've never been hasseled for it, and I've been in bus. since 95. The main reason that I don't is because I like to park my equipment at home, and cover my trailer with a tarp, and the city has all kinds of BS rules about parking company trucks at residences over night. I have thought of having some magnetic signs made that could easily be removed, but have never gotten around to it. :thumbsup:

AmericanTurf said:

Next year in 2013 I swear im going to combat these no name lawn cutters!!! The next time Im driving down the road and see a crew cutting grass with no name on thier truck, im going to take a picture and write down thier plate number. I will then turn it over to the department of agriculture. Im tired of these guys. They dont pay taxes, insuarance, or fees. I just got done paying $2200.00 for a year of insuarance, fees, and permits. Im going to call the dept. of agriculture to find out if I can combat these no name guys. Hopefully they will work with me on this.

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I also do not have a sign I pay taxes insurance... I have a trailer and 80 percent of the time I don't use it I load my equipment in the back of my truck and drive like that (much much easier finding parking) I have plenty of clients I just perfer to push mow. Bigger lawns I use. My rider and trailer I run and price like the no name guys and pay my bills by stuck up people who won't touch a 20 lawn. Every property I touched gets mowed edged weedeated leaves blown out of shrub beds and most of them have me prune. So thank you big companys. and go ahead call on them your going to be dissapointed if you try to take their lawn and they won't pay you nearly enough

here in mid michigan you also need a DOT number on your truck as well as your name and phone number and of course that all comes with added expense, truck, trailer inspections every year, DOT physical every two years, fire ext, safety triangles, plus every thing in your trailer better be tied down to specs. The DOT officer likes to stop lawn care providers that dont have a name on their truck and hassel them. major expense and lost down time. many people have tried to fight it but lost. its a weight issue with anything weighing over 10,000 lbs truck and trailer combined

In Alabama the DOT was aggravating a while back but they have stopped hassling that class of trucks.

People tending to other people's business is why we have all of these stinking rules and regulations to begin with. If a person wants to cut some body's yard or several yards or what ever he should not have to deal with all of the government mess and rules and regulations associated with it. All of those laws and rules and regluations are designed for two things. First to bleed money out of people and second to keep competition to a minimum for the big guy. I don't know about where you live but down here where I live taking pictures of people and doing that kind of mess will end up getting you hurt bad. If it were that way in other places we would see some of this mess ended. We need less rules and laws not more.

I would not want to get caught taking pictures around here as well. best to just mind your own business and do your job. way to many people carry in this state.

Hahaha! I would have done the same.

AmericanTurf said:

Next year in 2013 I swear im going to combat these no name lawn cutters!!! The next time Im driving down the road and see a crew cutting grass with no name on thier truck, im going to take a picture and write down thier plate number. I will then turn it over to the department of agriculture. Im tired of these guys. They dont pay taxes, insuarance, or fees. I just got done paying $2200.00 for a year of insuarance, fees, and permits. Im going to call the dept. of agriculture to find out if I can combat these no name guys. Hopefully they will work with me on this.

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Hey, Turf...lots of luck getting help from the gov't. If you are a honest, hard-working taxpayer, it's too bad, so sad. Glad to offer a word of encouragement!

Carscw said:

I do not have a name on my truck but I pay taxes.
I don't have a name or number on my truck because I do not want any one calling me to do there yard.

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Same here I have never had a name on my truck other Chevy, and I pay taxes every year.:smile:.. I understand what he means though, and couldnt advise how to handle that type situation but it is aggravating because us honest lawncare people pay our fair share of taxes.

wjjones said:

Same here I have never had a name on my truck other Chevy, and I pay taxes every year.:smile:.. I understand what he means though, and couldnt advise how to handle that type situation but it is aggravating because us honest lawncare people pay our fair share of taxes.

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I guess I am going to have to put my name on my truck.

jekjr said:

I guess I am going to have to put my name on my truck.

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Try magnetic signs, 24 x 12 there cheap and easy.

mowerman05 said:

here in mid michigan you also need a DOT number on your truck as well as your name and phone number and of course that all comes with added expense, truck, trailer inspections every year, DOT physical every two years, fire ext, safety triangles, plus every thing in your trailer better be tied down to specs. The DOT officer likes to stop lawn care providers that dont have a name on their truck and hassel them. major expense and lost down time. many people have tried to fight it but lost. its a weight issue with anything weighing over 10,000 lbs truck and trailer combined

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The only thing that DOT does here is concentrate on large trucks or semi truck and trailers for wheels condition and being overloaded. Thing is you hear all the time that small business drives this country but at the same time it seems like everybody wants there cut of the pie with all the added expenses the government imposes which keeps the small businesses from being successful and that may be why you see these lawn guys out doing what there doing under the books.

the local paper in town interviewed the DOT driver and he madee it clear that he sit in several spots looking for tires that are bulging out or trucks that have things in the back that are not tied down. also for safety chains that are not crossed as well as several other things. he likes to stop the no names and hold them up for a long time just trying to intimidate them, and he does a good job of it.

mowerman05 said:

the local paper in town interviewed the DOT driver and he madee it clear that he sit in several spots looking for tires that are bulging out or trucks that have things in the back that are not tied down. also for safety chains that are not crossed as well as several other things. he likes to stop the no names and hold them up for a long time just trying to intimidate them, and he does a good job of it.

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We dont have anything like that around here they mainly police the big trucks, dump trucks, etc. I think the only law around here is that if your trailer is over 12ft with more than one axle you are required to have brakes, and your load has to be secure.

I am thinking about getting a 16' cargo trailer and putting my name on it and my phone number as well. Does that mean that I am no longer a NO NAME business?

As long as you have a tax I.D number.

AmericanTurf said:

As long as you have a tax I.D number.

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I have a social security number.

mowerman05 said:

the local paper in town interviewed the DOT driver and he madee it clear that he sit in several spots looking for tires that are bulging out or trucks that have things in the back that are not tied down. also for safety chains that are not crossed as well as several other things. he likes to stop the no names and hold them up for a long time just trying to intimidate them, and he does a good job of it.

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Sounds like a beuracrat that really is a waste of good air. I bet he can't spell work.

I pay my fair share of taxes and I dont have a tax ID number. Shouldnt need one if your selling a service and not selling a product. At least thats what my accountant says for my business.

You would probably have more luck with the biz license bureau in your area. Around here, they don't like people operating unlicensed businesses bc they don't get their tax $$$$. That said, I wouldn't fool with what I think you might call "fly by night" lawn cutters. Elevate yourself above all of that and put your time and energy into making your own biz thrive. Then you won't have time to give them a second thought.

Also, in our area, there are a lot of companies that don't advertise on their vehicles for various reasons. We don't do it. But any vehicle used for commercial use is supposed to have a DOT number, medical card and all Of the safety equipment. The DOT stops people around here ALL THE TIME!

One more note...I am in total agreement with the comment ab not depending on the government to do anything to help the small business. We Do make this country thrive. We DO pay more than our fair share in taxes. It sucks. But I would still rather own my own business than work for someone else.

God Bless!

There is no guarantee that someone with company name and phone number on the truck will pay fair share of taxes. Many cutters prefer cash exchange so it's up to the business owners how they report the income. IRS has no way of tracking them.

panabiker said:

There is no guarantee that someone with company name and phone number on the truck will pay fair share of taxes. Many cutters prefer cash exchange so it's up to the business owners how they report the income. IRS has no way of tracking them.

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You know so what they don't pay taxes. Hey everyone get over it. Your mad because they under bid you get the f over it.......

exotion said:

You know so what they don't pay taxes. Hey everyone get over it. Your mad because they under bid you get the f over it.......

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Thank you I wanted to say that but just not being as nice as you.

I am working on this new thing called be nice.

But your right the op is just mad that they are getting yards he THINKS he could have got.

Last year I was cutting a yard and across the road two guys and a mower cut a yard and left. There was trash that they mowed over did not trim and suxed at blowing. I walked over there and told the homeowner I will fix your yard for free. I spend 30 mins there and took there $20 yard for $40

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exotion said:

You know so what they don't pay taxes. Hey everyone get over it. Your mad because they under bid you get the f over it.......

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The thing is is it fair for one to pay the taxes and not the other, most would say NO but actually who is coming out on the short end of the deal? The guy who doesn't have a License, doesn't pay taxes, lowballs for a living and works on a cash basis will regret his decision in the end because chances are he is not building or putting money back for a retirement because he is not making enough money to do that and live, they'll be No social security because he is not putting money into that for the same reason, in the end for him there will be no benefits of any type. So the next time you complain think about the days at the end, while you set on your front porch drinking a beer with the wife enjoying life you can watch the other guy the illegal who thought he beat the system still cutting lawns, still no signs and probably still driving the same truck he had when you saw him the first time. :smile:

Carscw said:

Thank you I wanted to say that but just not being as nice as you.

I am working on this new thing called be nice.

But your right the op is just mad that they are getting yards he THINKS he could have got.

Last year I was cutting a yard and across the road two guys and a mower cut a yard and left. There was trash that they mowed over did not trim and suxed at blowing. I walked over there and told the homeowner I will fix your yard for free. I spend 30 mins there and took there $20 yard for $40

(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))

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