Hey Everyone, I'm new to the lawn care business and I'm currently looking for a commercial zero turn mower. I'm looking to keep my budget around $5K or less. Any suggestions?!
PS: if you're also new to the lawn care business and want to bounce ideas off each other, please PM me.
Thanks everyone!!!
Buy one from a dealer near you line of operation. Ask them about time from drop off to service. Ask them about loaners. Try one out. Find out if you can pull it. Where to park it. Insurance. All that fun stuff. A 5 thousand dollar zero turn is not really much of a zero turn according to the lawn folks I know.
Your new to the business, what type of equipment do you already have? Do you already have a Mower? Do you have a client list, if so how many do you have? Really need more information.
Thanks for replying Ric. I'm actually going to start in the spring of 2016. I'm doing all of the research now so I am ready for the season. I plan on getting a starter level commercial zero turn, I have about 5-10 clients who are interested and plan on obtaining more until I start. Most of my lawns will most likely be residential starting out then working into some commercial properties.
If your looking far an entry level commercial you mite want check on Craiglist and see if you can't pick up a used quality low hour commercial, something like an Exmark, Toro, Hustler, maybe a Scag. Even buying new I'd stay with the big four. If I was looking in the lower end commercial mowers I'd look at the Gravely mowers, they have a real good product. As far as Residential vs Commercial properties, I'd stay away from commercial cause you can really get burned on that end. There are a few things you may want to think about when you are thinking of starting a business. Between now and then I'd save every dime I could lay my hands on because start up funding will kill you. Licenses, Insurance, Equipment, Marketing what ever you think it's going cost you, you can double what you expect. It's not cheap to get into this business if you do it the right way and are able to cover your overhead and put enough money to make a living doing it.
Thanks Ric I really appreciate all of this advice. I'm definitely taking this into deep consideration. Can you elaborate more on the commercial properties being a bad idea and could burn me?
Also, what kind of licenses? For mowing?
Thanks so much for the help!
Well it's kinda hard to explain but when you set up your business and your making a living at it you set up your life style according to the money you make and you do the same with commercial accounts. with residential properties the cost involved isn't that bad vs what you make a month whether say $80 or $100 month per lawn and when an individual doesn't pay a bill or you lose a client you can pretty much absorb that loss. Now if you have say three commercial accounts and your making say 20K a year on each and you spend 20/ 30K on equipment to do these accounts, at that point you've got one heck of an investment made and your life style is great and everything is fantastic until one of clients decides he no longer needs you or he finds someone else that will do the same thing for half what you charge. I can absorb $3 or 400 a month but 20K a year and still make a house payment or car payment, That's tuff, one client or commercial account can cost you big. The other thing about commercial accounts is the fact they can come up for bid every year and there's no guarantee that you can get it back every year. AS far as a license goes here you have to get a county and city licenses both which in reality is a Tax number so you can file your taxes at the end of the year. You keep records of all expenditures, equipment, parts, fuel, oil for your mowers and Vehicle, vehicle mileage anything you spend on the business you'll need a receipt and record of so you can claim it at the end of the year. Oh yeah unless you have a wife to keep the books that can cost to unless you have time to mow lawns, answer the phone for new clients, send out all the bills at the end of the month and all the other things that people never think about. Man doesn't all this sound like fun :laughing:
I'm loving it. All this knowledge is getting me excited. I'm ready to rock and roll. You've helped me a lot. Your advice is well appreciated. Do you mind me messaging you if I have any further questions? Thanks again!
Hey Everyone, I'm new to the lawn care business and I'm currently looking for a commercial zero turn mower. I'm looking to keep my budget around $5K or less. Any suggestions?! PS: if you're also new to the lawn care business and want to bounce ideas off each other, please PM me. Thanks everyone!!!
That's honestly the minimum, I'm confident we are one the best at what we do in our areas. Thats about $5 over what respectable companies are charging. Just closed out June and literally tripled what we did last June. I'm not getting rich by no means. My guys are clean cut, uniformed, courteous and care about reputation. I've actually 2 National Guardsmen and my dad who retired a couple years ago working with me.
I made the decision to focus on quality, reputation and customer relationships them expanding customer basis. I set my minimum and have stuck with it, and it has seemed to work for us. I'm not saying it'll work for everyone.
Wow just read through this. To original poster do a quick forum search on this topic lots of good advice, every company is different and will be run specific to them obviously it works for them but not everyone else but they will argue they are right while others are wrong. You need to figure your pricing depending on area, overhead, and what your time is worth. Don't underbid to get a job your only hurting yourself in the long run.
That's basically it, i bid fair, we do top end service. It has and does work for us and I'll say it again i wont drop the tailgate for less then $40.
@Ric i stated you gave good advice, why are you busting my balls for the advice i gave? The guy will try a few things and figure out works for him. I know what it cost me per minute to operate. Good for the customer if they find a guy to do the quality of work we do for half the price. I'll get that customer back and more next year when the low baller goes bankrupt. Because they couldn't pay their gas bill, mower, or truck payment ect. I operate in the urban areas around Indianapolis. You operate in your own retirement community in Florida. How would you know what it's actually like out of your little safety bubble.
I'm not talking about Task Force Lawn Care, I'm talking about 1st year rookies BTW. Even Task force will probably tell you that they cut for a whole lot cheeper than 40 until they built up their clientele. I'm referencing that this was bad advice because we're talking about startups here and you can't price fix yourself as a startup. No disrespect intended for Task Force. RVA Landscapes LLC RVA Landscapes LLC
One thing I have found that works for me also is if I can get a yard in a new area, even if it is not profitable to do it, I still take that one yard. I use it as an anchor to get others in that area. Some times in a short while I will have several in that area and some times I never get anything else. For me it has been a learning process.
I don't think the size of the crew has much to do with it. You can be a solo operator or have a 3 man crew or run multiple crews and trailers and it doesn't matter. It all comes down to what you are willing to put into the business and what you expect to get out of the business.
This guy makes my point perfectly. One 3 man crew is not a business yet, it's a hobby. I agree it can be worth it to "wait" out the higher priced clientele if your a small single crew trying to just make a living....which is respectable and just fine for some. My advice is more centered around those who want to make a bigger impact and grow. You will NEVER see a lawn care company running multiple crews that charge a lot for lawn care and don't do much else. These are the guys you are competing with for grass cutting clients, and they can't figure out why you would possibly do what they refuse to do for the amount they refuse to do it for. Let them continue to believe they are maintaining some type of pricing standard, and continue to grow as you add more services to your ability and make the real money doing everything else BUT grass cutting;-) my 2 cents, take it for what it's worth. Mark RVA Landscapes LLC RVA Landscapes LLC
Cutting grass doesn't cut it! Most startup lawn care companies try to make money with just lawn care, and figure out pretty quickly that it doesn't pay. Then they try to raise there price and then "don't put down the gate for less than $40", this type of attitude is absolutely destined to fail...sorry! You cannot make money cutting grass because as you expand to pick up more jobs, your overall cost to run the company becomes cost prohibitive. Meaning, you can only make money cutting grass if you are a single man operation cutting a few lawns per week, but it's just not scalable. Keep in mind that it's JUST lawn care and any 14 year old with a lawn mower can do it. The trick is, figure out how to do those things the 14 year old can't do. You cannot charge a premium for lawn care, but you can charge a premium for practically everything else, provided your company has a good reputation, and your standards remain high. Solution, you cut grass to gain access to quality clients that might want more, like landscaping, hardscaping, powerwashing ect...these other services produce a higher profit margin and enable you to make money with your sell up services. This also enables you to charge LESS for lawn care, not more. Quality customers will eventually have you do everything from mulching to fertilization. If you won't drop the gate for less than $40, you have already failed as a lawn care business, you just don't know it yet. Mark RVA Landscapes LLC RVA Landscapes LLC RVA Landscapes LLC RVA Landscapes LLC
We have had customers call us wanting to know if we trim shrubs. When I said sure not only did we get the shrub job but also their grass as well. They would say I used this guy to cut my grass but he said he did not do shrubs.
Also there have been times when we got a customer who had a yard that for what ever reason was overgrown and had not been cut for an extended period of time. They wanted an estimate to clean it up and put it on a schedule. There will be people waiting in line to just cut grass but they will run like roaches when a light is turned on when it comes to cleaning up a property.
One question. How many of what size do we need to be a business?
For our part of the world I would say we have grown the fastest to the point we are at of any crew out there. We live in a kind of rural area of South Alabama. If we can continue to grow at our current rate two more years we will be one of if not the largest around us.