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New house - looking to upgrade to a Riding Lawn Mower

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gtduck

I'm moving to a new house over the summer and will have 1 acre of grass to cut. It's fairly flat and flower beds/trees are still TBD, but shouldn't be too much of an issue. I've been looking at mowers, but can't decide what I should do. Budget is ~$1800ish. Here's some I've looked at:

- Club Cadet XT1 LX46
- Husqvarna YTH22V42 or YTH22V46
- Craftsman T3000 Model 20390

Any suggestions or recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks.


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mechanic mark

Thorough research on every one your interested in, read reviews, test drive operating all controls, let us know which one you go with, thanks,
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#3

Ric

Ric

I'm moving to a new house over the summer and will have 1 acre of grass to cut. It's fairly flat and flower beds/trees are still TBD, but shouldn't be too much of an issue. I've been looking at mowers, but can't decide what I should do. Budget is ~$1800ish. Here's some I've looked at:

- Club Cadet XT1 LX46
- Husqvarna YTH22V42 or YTH22V46
- Craftsman T3000 Model 20390

Any suggestions or recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks.

You can buy what you want but if I had to make a decision on one of the three I'd go with the Cub Cadet. Personally I'd go with the XTI-LT 46 not the LX. The LT gets you the Fabricated deck and the Professional grade 7000 series Kohler 23 hp.


#4

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bertsmobile1

And avoid the Craftsman like the plague.
They are identical to the Husky but made out of thinner metal with downgraded every thing to bring the price down
Total junk to suck the big box cheapskates in.


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Rivets

With today's lawn tractor market, you must remember one thing, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!! This is what I have told customers for the last 2 years. I can't recommend any tractor under $2000 any more. Just feel that the quality of these units is so bad, I'm not going to put one above the other. You are going to have to be very diligent in your research, and please do not look at the price until you are down to 2-3 units. You will get many answers on this forum, because everyone has their favorite, but you are going to see what matches your situation the best. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR, GOOD LUCK.


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gfp55

gfp55

I.M.O. Rivets is giving you the best advice. If you don't plan on replacing your tractor in a few years you should spend more $1,800. Good Luck and keep us updated.


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ssj_chris

With today's lawn tractor market, you must remember one thing, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!! This is what I have told customers for the last 2 years. I can't recommend any tractor under $2000 any more. Just feel that the quality of these units is so bad, I'm not going to put one above the other. You are going to have to be very diligent in your research, and please do not look at the price until you are down to 2-3 units. You will get many answers on this forum, because everyone has their favorite, but you are going to see what matches your situation the best. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR, GOOD LUCK.

What mower would you recommend for those with a smaller budget ($2000-$3400)?? I was looking at the Husqvarna M-ZT 52 ($4800-$5500)but my wife chocked when she looked at the price.


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Rivets

Take a look at these new zero turns, comes in 32", 42", and 50". All under $3500. Might fit into your specifications.

https://m.toro.com/homeowner/riding-mowers/timecutter-sw4200-74784.aspx

https://m.toro.com/homeowner/riding-mowers.aspx


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1striper1

If you are looking for a LAWN TRACTOR in that price range, I would pass over the three options you mention and look for a decent used unit.

Focus on finding one where on the hydro unit you can change the fluid and replace the filter. You MIGHT not be able to replace the filter and that's OK. Just make sure the hydro fluid is changeable!

If you buy a tractor with sealed hydro's in your price range, be happy if the mower lasts you 5 years. Then you throw it away because it's too expensive to fix.

Toro, Deere, Simplicity and Snapper would be brands I'd look for. Lot's of good used Deere's for sale in my region.


#10

reynoldston

reynoldston

Seeing you plan on spending 2000 dollars on a new mower it doesn't matter very much what you buy. They all run about the same quality. Just buy what feels the best to you or what color you like. With good maintenance and common sense it should last you for many years. Then when you are ready to replace it years down the road you might think about up grading to something better like a Ferris. I know some people that own Sears mowers that love them and have run them for years, they wouldn't own anything but. Just thinking about the earlier post that a Sears is no good.


#11

highlift60

highlift60

Seeing you plan on spending 2000 dollars on a new mower it doesn't matter very much what you buy. They all run about the same quality. Just buy what feels the best to you or what color you like. With good maintenance and common sense it should last you for many years. Then when you are ready to replace it years down the road you might think about up grading to something better like a Ferris. I know some people that own Sears mowers that love them and have run them for years, they wouldn't own anything but. Just thinking about the earlier post that a Sears is no good.

Wow, your advice is just about as helpful as a tick on your scrotum. Sears hasn't made anything good for decades, and their mowers and snowblowers are consistently ranked the lowest by almost all independent reports. It matters VERY MUCH what you buy regardless if it's a 2k or 5k mower. Quality varies greatly by brand.


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bertsmobile1

Wow, your advice is just about as helpful as a tick on your scrotum. Sears hasn't made anything good for decades, and their mowers and snowblowers are consistently ranked the lowest by almost all independent reports. It matters VERY MUCH what you buy regardless if it's a 2k or 5k mower. Quality varies greatly by brand.

Well it might not be much use but it is the plain simple & honest truth.
In the under $ 2000 you are looking at the rock bottom cheapst mower any factory can possibly make designed soley for the purpose of making you go "gees that is cheap" and walk into the shop so the salesman can sell you some thing a lot more expensive.
If this helps you put into perspective quality wise.
The first mower I worked on was my fathers first petrol powered push mower.
The purchase price was equivalent to 6 months wages and he paid it off over 3 years. Because the mower company was making a good profit on the mower they made it properly with good quality materials.
That was in 1959 & my sister has the mower, it is still in good working order but because it does not have a catcher she only uses it to mow the grass verge.
I have 9 mowers I lend out to customers when I get a big backlog of repairs, they are all from the 60's & 70's all work perfectly all fitted with 8 to 12 Hp B&S side valve engines.
When new they cost 1/2 to 2/3 the price of a small car so again they were made well with quality materials & I can get almost every part.
I can't get parts for a 5 year old McCulloch

So now you are looking at a $2000 mower.
The local shop will be making something between 35% & 29% profit so we will call it 25 % just to keep things simple.
So the retailer paid $ 1500 for your mower, delivered
Delivery is going to cost somewhere between $ 50 & $ 300 depending how far it has been shipped, We will call it $ 200 to keep it simple
So the mower Ex distributors warehouse is $ 1300. Now the name owner also gets a cut ( assuming the mower is made for the distributor ) so there goes another $ 200.
That leaves the factory that actually made the mower with a door price of $ 1100.
If a factory is not running at a minimum of 20% gross profit they won't be here next season so your $ 2000 mower can cost no more than $ 900 to make.

$ 900 is about the retail price of the engine alone.

And those are rough figures for your local corner shop.
Wally mart, seers etc demand a minimum 100% mark up so the factory will get even less for sales through big box stores.

$ 2000 might seem like a lot to you but down stream it is peanuts and a loss making product.
For the money you are willing to spend the best quality mower you can buy will be a Wee Foul Yu with some USA decals applied over the top of the Chinnese ones.
This mower will be highly subsidised by the Chineese government and if fitted with a Chineese Kohler will give you many years of good service that your unemployed childern & grandchildren will appreciate.

The Magic Pudding I am afraid is a childrens story, you don't get anything for nothingand in your price bracet you will do a lot better looking at a good self propelled or second hand mower.

Sorry if this seem offensive , it is not meant to be but I am the bloke who crawls under these mowers and tries to fix them & I do see a big difference between $2000 mowers & $4000 mowers, from the ill fitting bonnets right down to the thiner weaker blades. They look the same because they are made with the same dies as the dearer models , after the dies are no longer capable of making top quality pressings and made with thinner metal without any of the strengthening brace pieces or means of making adjustments found on the "full price" variants.
And it really breaks my heart to tell some one who put every dollar they can't really afford into a bottom end mower that their 2 year old mower will cost over $ 1000 to fix and be in the shop for well over a month or in the case of some of the McCullochs sold through a local big box shop actually can not be repaired and is worth nothing more than the value of the used motor. and that is most often with me charging less than 1/2 the trade rate for lablour and using pattern parts


#13

catdiesel

catdiesel

I have to respectfully disagree that all 2 thousand dollar mowers are the same. Just got done helping my brother-in-law pick out a new riding mower and we looked at Husky, Craftsman (all junk), Ariens, and Snapper. There were big differences in components, build quality, and engine selection all at the same price bracket. I am also someone who fixes these machines for people part time, and I have probably a thousand hours turning a wrench on garden tractors alone. Yes there are similarities, but no way would I ever say they are all the same based on my hands-on experience.


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bertsmobile1

I have to respectfully disagree that all 2 thousand dollar mowers are the same. Just got done helping my brother-in-law pick out a new riding mower and we looked at Husky, Craftsman (all junk), Ariens, and Snapper. There were big differences in components, build quality, and engine selection all at the same price bracket. I am also someone who fixes these machines for people part time, and I have probably a thousand hours turning a wrench on garden tractors alone. Yes there are similarities, but no way would I ever say they are all the same based on my hands-on experience.

We don't get Snappers down here any more. We used to get them rebranded locally but they have been replaced by rebranded Chineese mowers.
At the bottom end we get McCullochs & Craftsmen ( Both AYP both garbage ) & MTD's ( rebranded and also garbage ) all the rest are from China.
We used to get trash Murrys as well but they have been replaced by Chineese mowers.
Note i am not saying all of these brands are trash, just the bottom end ones flogged off at the big box & major retail chain stores. It is just not economic to sell so cheaply unless there are massive factories subsadities involved.
Ariens are pushing the Gravely brand very hard with big subsidies but to their credit have not put any thing into the bottom of the market save the stand on and that is closer to $ 4000 than $ 2000 down here.
The only mower in the $ 2000 range here I can honestly recommend is the Chineese Sannli which smells very much like a Murray copy with thick steel pressings and Chineese Kohlers out of Kohlers China factory.

As a person who repairs mowers have a good look & do some costings.
Four new tyres a new transmission & engine would add up to more than $ 2000 at wholesale prices.


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gtduck

Ok, so if I were to instead spend $2k-$3200, what would people recommend?

Thanks.


#16

gfp55

gfp55

Ok, so if I were to instead spend $2k-$3200, what would people recommend?

Thanks.

Do you want new or will used work for you?


#17

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gtduck

Do you want new or will used work for you?

I think I'd prefer a new one


#18

gfp55

gfp55

I think I'd prefer a new one

I am not trying to be disrespectful to you, but you may want to read some of the posts on this and other forums and see what new gets you. Let me put it this way, you will be seeing the dealer or your mechanic very often. Other then that I don't have any other truthful advice that I can give you if you want new. I wish you luck.


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gtduck

I am not trying to be disrespectful to you, but you may want to read some of the posts on this and other forums and see what new gets you. Let me put it this way, you will be seeing the dealer or your mechanic very often. Other then that I don't have any other truthful advice that I can give you if you want new. I wish you luck.

Ok. Thanks for the suggestion.


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1striper1

I'm moving to a new house over the summer and will have 1 acre of grass to cut. It's fairly flat and flower beds/trees are still TBD, but shouldn't be too much of an issue. I've been looking at mowers, but can't decide what I should do. Budget is ~$1800ish. Here's some I've looked at:

- Club Cadet XT1 LX46
- Husqvarna YTH22V42 or YTH22V46
- Craftsman T3000 Model 20390

Any suggestions or recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks.

Did you pull the trigger on something?


#21

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Shughes717

Ok, so if I were to instead spend $2k-$3200, what would people recommend?

Thanks.

gtduck, if your budget is $1800 or $2k-$3200 and you know you can't afford anything more expensive, don't let people's opinions on this or any other site convince you to spend $4k on a mower. You will get many different opinions about what to buy and what to stay away from. Yes, mowers under $2k are going to be lower quality than the higher end mowers. Manufacturers cut corners to get the price down so people on a tight budget can afford a rider. That doesn't mean those mowers won't last long if properly maintained. There will be some repairs needed eventually for anything you purchase. Drive train and deck build (thickness and # of gauge wheels) is what I would focus on if I were in your shoes. Get the best combination you can find in your budget. Kawasaki engines have a great reputation. I have owned a mower with the kohler command engine and it held up fine as well. Look at every brand available to you in your area and compare the mowers. Make your decision based on what you liked the best.


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Cubby_Cadet007

Ok, so if I were to instead spend $2k-$3200, what would people recommend?

Thanks.

If you keep your original budget of $1800-ish and whatever rider-mower that amount got you, and it lasts you 5 years, it will have cost you less than $400 a year if it is a total loss at that point.


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chetanw

I read through the whole thread and have the same dilemma as the OP. I have about 1 acre to mow (and to mow only - no tilling, snow blowing and so on) - few trees or other obstacles to worry about.

Now, I know the majority of riding mowers in the big-box stores classify as junk, but ... I don't have the resources (time and vehicle) to drive miles and miles of countryside looking for a "real" John Deere / Simplicity etc. I don't have a trailer to tow it back. I don't have a mechanic friend who can look at the used tractor and tell me what fixes it needs and I am quite mechanically challenged - unfortunately!

In a case such as this, I did consult with several friends (on the phone) and they agreed I was better off buying from a big box store.

Anyone have thoughts before I pull the trigger?


#24

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1striper1

I read through the whole thread and have the same dilemma as the OP. I have about 1 acre to mow (and to mow only - no tilling, snow blowing and so on) - few trees or other obstacles to worry about.

Now, I know the majority of riding mowers in the big-box stores classify as junk, but ... I don't have the resources (time and vehicle) to drive miles and miles of countryside looking for a "real" John Deere / Simplicity etc. I don't have a trailer to tow it back. I don't have a mechanic friend who can look at the used tractor and tell me what fixes it needs and I am quite mechanically challenged - unfortunately!

In a case such as this, I did consult with several friends (on the phone) and they agreed I was better off buying from a big box store.

Anyone have thoughts before I pull the trigger?

What about this......don't know where in PA you live but in my neck of the woods many farm implement dealers sell Cub Cadet and other similar lines of lawn tractors and ZTR's. If you bought something from them at least you'll know who's servicing your mower plus you should be able to negotiate delivery and pickup for a nominal fee. One local Case-NH dealer picks up and delivers for free during year #1.


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bertsmobile1

I read through the whole thread and have the same dilemma as the OP. I have about 1 acre to mow (and to mow only - no tilling, snow blowing and so on) - few trees or other obstacles to worry about.

Now, I know the majority of riding mowers in the big-box stores classify as junk, but ... I don't have the resources (time and vehicle) to drive miles and miles of countryside looking for a "real" John Deere / Simplicity etc. I don't have a trailer to tow it back. I don't have a mechanic friend who can look at the used tractor and tell me what fixes it needs and I am quite mechanically challenged - unfortunately!

In a case such as this, I did consult with several friends (on the phone) and they agreed I was better off buying from a big box store.

Anyone have thoughts before I pull the trigger?

So you buy a mower from a big box store, they deliver it unassembled you put it together and it does not work properly .
Where do you go from there ?
I am a mobile mower mechanic for just that reason and sell about 1/2 dozen used mowers a year . Because used mowers have such a bad name, I warrant my used mowers same as a new one. My predecessor gave 6 months but he was an old junk yard man and treated this business the same.
This can be done because I have serviced most of these mowers that I sell because the big box stores don't trade in & the dealers won't trade in domestic mowers.

So look in your local newspaper for a local repair guy and give him a ring. If you are not mechanical there is a good chance you will be needing one and buying a mower from him will establish a relationship, You could do no worse than buying some thing from Lowes , Wallys etc.
Ring your local dealers and ask them is they have any trade ins, usually they will be good mowers.
Some where along the line you will have to trust some one and trusting some one who you will be dealing with regularly is good for both of you.
What you get as an ex trade in might not be optimal for your situation but the vendor then has a vested interest in keeping it running & you happy.


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Ric

Ric

So you buy a mower from a big box store, they deliver it unassembled you put it together and it does not work properly .
Where do you go from there ?
I am a mobile mower mechanic for just that reason and sell about 1/2 dozen used mowers a year . Because used mowers have such a bad name, I warrant my used mowers same as a new one. My predecessor gave 6 months but he was an old junk yard man and treated this business the same.
This can be done because I have serviced most of these mowers that I sell because the big box stores don't trade in & the dealers won't trade in domestic mowers.

So look in your local newspaper for a local repair guy and give him a ring. If you are not mechanical there is a good chance you will be needing one and buying a mower from him will establish a relationship, You could do no worse than buying some thing from Lowes , Wallys etc.
Ring your local dealers and ask them is they have any trade ins, usually they will be good mowers.
Some where along the line you will have to trust some one and trusting some one who you will be dealing with regularly is good for both of you.
What you get as an ex trade in might not be optimal for your situation but the vendor then has a vested interest in keeping it running & you happy.

I don't know how things work there but the last mower I had delivered from a big box store was delivered ready to mow my lawn in fact the delivery guy mowed a few passes on my lawn to check the mower out to make sure everything was working correctly before I signed the paper work. I never heard of a mower being delivered from a big box store unassembled.


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zmister11

I don't know how things work there but the last mower I had delivered from a big box store was delivered ready to mow my lawn in fact the delivery guy mowed a few passes on my lawn to check the mower out to make sure everything was working correctly before I signed the paper work. I never heard of a mower being delivered from a big box store unassembled.

Yeah I've never heard of it being unassembled either. That would suck if you have to put it all together lol


#28

Ric

Ric

Yeah I've never heard of it being unassembled either. That would suck if you have to put it all together lol

I don't think they even sell them out of a box store unassembled. The only mower that you may buy in a box would be a push mower and it's basically assembled, the only thing you have to do is put the handle on other than that it's assembled.


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zmister11

I don't think they even sell them out of a box store unassembled. The only mower that you may buy in a box would be a push mower and it's basically assembled, the only thing you have to do is put the handle on other than that it's assembled.

Yeah that would be crazy


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bertsmobile1

Down here, unless you take the floor machine you get them in the box the shop got them in.
For an extra fee they will assemble it and for another extra fee the will take the old packaging away..
We of course get them in the export crate, so you have to fit the wheels, steering wheel seat & deck and to make matters worse some times the tyres are flat and of course there is no oil in the engine.
Have been called out a couple of times usually by an elderly couple with English as a second language who did not understand the $ 1999 price did not incluge assembly


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Shughes717

I don't think they even sell them out of a box store unassembled. The only mower that you may buy in a box would be a push mower and it's basically assembled, the only thing you have to do is put the handle on other than that it's assembled.

We have to remember that bertsmobile is in Australia. Things are done very differently in every country. Advice given to someone who lives in another country may not always apply, because of the cultural differences. It sounds like the big box stores in Australia has found a way to squeeze a little more money out of the consumer. So sad.:frown:


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1striper1

Down here, unless you take the floor machine you get them in the box the shop got them in.
For an extra fee they will assemble it and for another extra fee the will take the old packaging away..
We of course get them in the export crate, so you have to fit the wheels, steering wheel seat & deck and to make matters worse some times the tyres are flat and of course there is no oil in the engine.
Have been called out a couple of times usually by an elderly couple with English as a second language who did not understand the $ 1999 price did not incluge assembly

Bert Bert Bert........at it again I see. :) Have you ever actually been to the USA?


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dsnel23

I'm moving to a new house over the summer and will have 1 acre of grass to cut. It's fairly flat and flower beds/trees are still TBD, but shouldn't be too much of an issue. I've been looking at mowers, but can't decide what I should do. Budget is ~$1800ish. Here's some I've looked at:

- Club Cadet XT1 LX46
- Husqvarna YTH22V42 or YTH22V46
- Craftsman T3000 Model 20390

Any suggestions or recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks.

What did you end up picking? I've been torn between the Cub Cadet XT1 LT 46 and the Husqvarna YTH22V46. Though I only have 1/2 acre and some very bad knees.


#34

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gtduck

What did you end up picking? I've been torn between the Cub Cadet XT1 LT 46 and the Husqvarna YTH22V46. Though I only have 1/2 acre and some very bad knees.

We're building the house and it ended up being delayed some, so as of right now I still haven't bought anything (house will be ready early august). That said, I'm really leaning more towards a zero turn. After talking to several more people, it seems like I'll be most happy with that. I'm been looking around at the Toro Timecutters some as well as the Hustlers, but haven't really made up my mind. I've found a dealer who seems to be good in the area I'm moving to and so will just probably wait till I get down there and talk to them before making up my mind.


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New_World

What did you end up picking? I've been torn between the Cub Cadet XT1 LT 46 and the Husqvarna YTH22V46. Though I only have 1/2 acre and some very bad knees.

I'm looking at the same 2 but not sure if thats what I even want.
who would have thought buying a mower would be such a difficult decision for me.


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