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Need some advice for a ZTR on a small lot
#1
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tkk
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tkk
I'm having a difficult time trying to decide which more to move up to. I currently have a Craftsman 700 series walk behind which was purchased a few years ago for my old house. To be honest my mower is a piece of junk - it can't mulch any length of grass without clumping and grass is constantly getting stuck everywhere.
My new lot is only .4 acres (including the additional 20x94 feet I can mow into the green belt behind my house). The basement is 1/2 exposed so there are half story hills on either side. All included it probably takes me a good 2+ hours to mow, trim, and get everything cleaned up (not including myself). This is best case however since this mower doesn't mulch well I usually have to bag which takes even longer and leaves me with a trip to the city compost pile on the weekend.
So my lot is definitely too small to turn a tractor, especially with all the corners on the house and probable fence in the future. A ZTR, while I believe it would work well, still seems a bit ridiculous. The wife wants me to cut down the mow time so I can help more with the three young ones all under the age of 2 :/
Here's what I have looked at so far:
- Toro Time Cutter 30 inch walk behind
Not really thrilled about this but it is cheaper than ZTRs. I'm sure it will mulch better than the craftsman.
- Toro Time Cutter SS 42
This is probably the right size for ZTR however I'm not sure about the Kohler engine, stamped deck, and non-maintainable transmission. I also haven't seen anything listing the BTS.
- Hustler Raptor 42
Looks like a possible option but the BTS is relatively low and the nearest dealer is 40 miles away.
- Ariens Zoom 42
Jury is still out on this one. Seems about on par with the Toro SS
What else should I be looking at?
Would be nice to keep this at 2500 or less although I am not the type of person that would be penny wise and pound foolish. I also need to consider that this is a small lot so there won't be a ton of hours logged. If my stamped deck gets a hole in 8 years it might be more cost effective to replace the stamped deck vs upgrade to something that has a welded deck. I suppose this could be the case with transmission as well?
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
My new lot is only .4 acres (including the additional 20x94 feet I can mow into the green belt behind my house). The basement is 1/2 exposed so there are half story hills on either side. All included it probably takes me a good 2+ hours to mow, trim, and get everything cleaned up (not including myself). This is best case however since this mower doesn't mulch well I usually have to bag which takes even longer and leaves me with a trip to the city compost pile on the weekend.
So my lot is definitely too small to turn a tractor, especially with all the corners on the house and probable fence in the future. A ZTR, while I believe it would work well, still seems a bit ridiculous. The wife wants me to cut down the mow time so I can help more with the three young ones all under the age of 2 :/
Here's what I have looked at so far:
- Toro Time Cutter 30 inch walk behind
Not really thrilled about this but it is cheaper than ZTRs. I'm sure it will mulch better than the craftsman.
- Toro Time Cutter SS 42
This is probably the right size for ZTR however I'm not sure about the Kohler engine, stamped deck, and non-maintainable transmission. I also haven't seen anything listing the BTS.
- Hustler Raptor 42
Looks like a possible option but the BTS is relatively low and the nearest dealer is 40 miles away.
- Ariens Zoom 42
Jury is still out on this one. Seems about on par with the Toro SS
What else should I be looking at?
Would be nice to keep this at 2500 or less although I am not the type of person that would be penny wise and pound foolish. I also need to consider that this is a small lot so there won't be a ton of hours logged. If my stamped deck gets a hole in 8 years it might be more cost effective to replace the stamped deck vs upgrade to something that has a welded deck. I suppose this could be the case with transmission as well?
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
#2
exotion
I think the 30" would do you best .4 is a bit small for a most ztr in my opnion and most of those 42" are much to big the time master 30" walk behind is about 1000 bucks and much cheaper than the others
exotion
I'm having a difficult time trying to decide which more to move up to. I currently have a Craftsman 700 series walk behind which was purchased a few years ago for my old house. To be honest my mower is a piece of junk - it can't mulch any length of grass without clumping and grass is constantly getting stuck everywhere.
My new lot is only .4 acres (including the additional 20x94 feet I can mow into the green belt behind my house). The basement is 1/2 exposed so there are half story hills on either side. All included it probably takes me a good 2+ hours to mow, trim, and get everything cleaned up (not including myself). This is best case however since this mower doesn't mulch well I usually have to bag which takes even longer and leaves me with a trip to the city compost pile on the weekend.
So my lot is definitely too small to turn a tractor, especially with all the corners on the house and probable fence in the future. A ZTR, while I believe it would work well, still seems a bit ridiculous. The wife wants me to cut down the mow time so I can help more with the three young ones all under the age of 2 :/
Here's what I have looked at so far:
- Toro Time Cutter 30 inch walk behind
Not really thrilled about this but it is cheaper than ZTRs. I'm sure it will mulch better than the craftsman.
- Toro Time Cutter SS 42
This is probably the right size for ZTR however I'm not sure about the Kohler engine, stamped deck, and non-maintainable transmission. I also haven't seen anything listing the BTS.
- Hustler Raptor 42
Looks like a possible option but the BTS is relatively low and the nearest dealer is 40 miles away.
- Ariens Zoom 42
Jury is still out on this one. Seems about on par with the Toro SS
What else should I be looking at?
Would be nice to keep this at 2500 or less although I am not the type of person that would be penny wise and pound foolish. I also need to consider that this is a small lot so there won't be a ton of hours logged. If my stamped deck gets a hole in 8 years it might be more cost effective to replace the stamped deck vs upgrade to something that has a welded deck. I suppose this could be the case with transmission as well?
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
I think the 30" would do you best .4 is a bit small for a most ztr in my opnion and most of those 42" are much to big the time master 30" walk behind is about 1000 bucks and much cheaper than the others
#3
txzrider
txzrider
if you are going purely on price, the 30 inch walk behind is a no brainer... I am not sure how much time you will save although I am sure your quality of cut will improve. For whats is worth, my lot is not much bigger, and I cut it with a 38 inch ztr, this is my 2nd, the 1st a 33inch snapper yard cruiser, lasted me 15 years with a stamped deck and non maintainable hydros... Now granted at the time when I bought it, I was also mowing my wifes mothers house, my parents house and 2 other houses. It was easy to justify. I now mow my Dad's once a month and ours... but honestly I will never go back to a push mower.
#4
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tkk
Granted that the 30inch walk behind is a better mower you are probably right about that extra 8 inches (over my current 22) of width not being a big time saver. I think I would be in some trouble if I dropped 1K on a mower and still out there for over an hour.
That said, if one of the entry level model ZTRs is going to give me nothing but problems then I should start looking at some other options. One way or another my current mower has to go. Whoever designed the Craftsman 700 series needs to go back to engineering school.
What about the JD Z235? Looks to be on par with the Toro SS.
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tkk
if you are going purely on price, the 30 inch walk behind is a no brainer... I am not sure how much time you will save although I am sure your quality of cut will improve. For whats is worth, my lot is not much bigger, and I cut it with a 38 inch ztr, this is my 2nd, the 1st a 33inch snapper yard cruiser, lasted me 15 years with a stamped deck and non maintainable hydros... Now granted at the time when I bought it, I was also mowing my wifes mothers house, my parents house and 2 other houses. It was easy to justify. I now mow my Dad's once a month and ours... but honestly I will never go back to a push mower.
Granted that the 30inch walk behind is a better mower you are probably right about that extra 8 inches (over my current 22) of width not being a big time saver. I think I would be in some trouble if I dropped 1K on a mower and still out there for over an hour.
That said, if one of the entry level model ZTRs is going to give me nothing but problems then I should start looking at some other options. One way or another my current mower has to go. Whoever designed the Craftsman 700 series needs to go back to engineering school.
What about the JD Z235? Looks to be on par with the Toro SS.
#5
exotion
Tbh... if you spend more than an hr on a .4 acre lot your doing something wrong even with a 21"
exotion
Granted that the 30inch walk behind is a better mower you are probably right about that extra 8 inches (over my current 22) of width not being a big time saver. I think I would be in some trouble if I dropped 1K on a mower and still out there for over an hour.
That said, if one of the entry level model ZTRs is going to give me nothing but problems then I should start looking at some other options. One way or another my current mower has to go. Whoever designed the Craftsman 700 series needs to go back to engineering school.
What about the JD Z235? Looks to be on par with the Toro SS.
Tbh... if you spend more than an hr on a .4 acre lot your doing something wrong even with a 21"
#6
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tkk
That could very well be however this is a brand new house with a new lawn so I have hoses and sprinklers all over the place. My house also has 18 corners. You really need to think about the total time required including all support activities. It is not like the clock starts and stops with the blades on the mower.
1) Get ready to mow. Throw on old clothes and shoes. Get head phones / ear protection (5 min)
2) Get out mower and set up for mulch, throw, or bag depending on lawn conditions. Set proper height. Add gas. Sometimes check oil (5 min)
3) Disconnect all 6 sprinklers and move hoses out of the way (5 min)
4) Tilt up down spouts, remove kid toys, pick up dog crap. Charge up trimmer. (10 min)
5) Mow front left and left side (10 min)
6) Trim mow back (10 min)
7) Mow back (30 min)
8) Mow right side and front right (10 min)
9) Get out blower and house. Clean up mower with blower and washout. Put away (5 min)
10) Get out trimmer, check string, edge driveway, sidewalk, curb 300 ft (10 min)
11) Edge around the house / deck (5 min)
12) Blow off edger and put away. Blow off sidewalk, driveway, and siding. Put away blower (5 min)
13) Hook up sprinklers (5 min)
14) Go inside, take shower (15 min)
This is assuming no additional landscape work and that I'm not bagging the lawn - just over 2 hours start to finish.
The way I see it a ZTR would probably cut 60 min of mowing to 15. Also subtract another 15 minutes depending on the day as may not need to shower. An additional 10 minutes will be saved when I can get rid of the sprinklers.
I suppose when you think of it saving an hour each mow isn't a ton of time but when you have twins every second during the day counts :/
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tkk
Tbh... if you spend more than an hr on a .4 acre lot your doing something wrong even with a 21"
That could very well be however this is a brand new house with a new lawn so I have hoses and sprinklers all over the place. My house also has 18 corners. You really need to think about the total time required including all support activities. It is not like the clock starts and stops with the blades on the mower.
1) Get ready to mow. Throw on old clothes and shoes. Get head phones / ear protection (5 min)
2) Get out mower and set up for mulch, throw, or bag depending on lawn conditions. Set proper height. Add gas. Sometimes check oil (5 min)
3) Disconnect all 6 sprinklers and move hoses out of the way (5 min)
4) Tilt up down spouts, remove kid toys, pick up dog crap. Charge up trimmer. (10 min)
5) Mow front left and left side (10 min)
6) Trim mow back (10 min)
7) Mow back (30 min)
8) Mow right side and front right (10 min)
9) Get out blower and house. Clean up mower with blower and washout. Put away (5 min)
10) Get out trimmer, check string, edge driveway, sidewalk, curb 300 ft (10 min)
11) Edge around the house / deck (5 min)
12) Blow off edger and put away. Blow off sidewalk, driveway, and siding. Put away blower (5 min)
13) Hook up sprinklers (5 min)
14) Go inside, take shower (15 min)
This is assuming no additional landscape work and that I'm not bagging the lawn - just over 2 hours start to finish.
The way I see it a ZTR would probably cut 60 min of mowing to 15. Also subtract another 15 minutes depending on the day as may not need to shower. An additional 10 minutes will be saved when I can get rid of the sprinklers.
I suppose when you think of it saving an hour each mow isn't a ton of time but when you have twins every second during the day counts :/
#7
Ric
The Toro Timemaster 30' would reduce your time mowing, but if your counting the time schedule above a ztr isn't going to do much better. According to your schedule you have 40 to 50 minutes of odds and end work to do before you touch a mower. I think you need to work on reducing that time, I think that's your problem. Thing is a ztr is a great mower to use to save time but in the wrong situation can end up with you using more time than your push mower. My advice to you would be to hire a company for a one time cut that uses a ztr and see how long it takes them to cut your lawn before you spend all types of money on a mower you may not need. I can tell you I run the commercial version of the timemaster on lawns just like yours and I save considerable time over the 21" mowers I was using. Personally if it were me I'd start looking for a good 36" walk behind, IMO that would be the ideal mower for your situation.
Ric
That could very well be however this is a brand new house with a new lawn so I have hoses and sprinklers all over the place. My house also has 18 corners. You really need to think about the total time required including all support activities. It is not like the clock starts and stops with the blades on the mower.
1) Get ready to mow. Throw on old clothes and shoes. Get head phones / ear protection (5 min)
2) Get out mower and set up for mulch, throw, or bag depending on lawn conditions. Set proper height. Add gas. Sometimes check oil (5 min)
3) Disconnect all 6 sprinklers and move hoses out of the way (5 min)
4) Tilt up down spouts, remove kid toys, pick up dog crap. Charge up trimmer. (10 min)
5) Mow front left and left side (10 min)
6) Trim mow back (10 min)
7) Mow back (30 min)
8) Mow right side and front right (10 min)
9) Get out blower and house. Clean up mower with blower and washout. Put away (5 min)
10) Get out trimmer, check string, edge driveway, sidewalk, curb 300 ft (10 min)
11) Edge around the house / deck (5 min)
12) Blow off edger and put away. Blow off sidewalk, driveway, and siding. Put away blower (5 min)
13) Hook up sprinklers (5 min)
14) Go inside, take shower (15 min)
This is assuming no additional landscape work and that I'm not bagging the lawn - just over 2 hours start to finish.
The way I see it a ZTR would probably cut 60 min of mowing to 15. Also subtract another 15 minutes depending on the day as may not need to shower. An additional 10 minutes will be saved when I can get rid of the sprinklers.
I suppose when you think of it saving an hour each mow isn't a ton of time but when you have twins every second during the day counts :/
The Toro Timemaster 30' would reduce your time mowing, but if your counting the time schedule above a ztr isn't going to do much better. According to your schedule you have 40 to 50 minutes of odds and end work to do before you touch a mower. I think you need to work on reducing that time, I think that's your problem. Thing is a ztr is a great mower to use to save time but in the wrong situation can end up with you using more time than your push mower. My advice to you would be to hire a company for a one time cut that uses a ztr and see how long it takes them to cut your lawn before you spend all types of money on a mower you may not need. I can tell you I run the commercial version of the timemaster on lawns just like yours and I save considerable time over the 21" mowers I was using. Personally if it were me I'd start looking for a good 36" walk behind, IMO that would be the ideal mower for your situation.
#8
lawn mower fanatic
Good suggestion, but you have to think that they most likely will have a commercial ZTR that can go 10 mph, and his entry-level ZTR wouldn't go that fast. Also it might be a 2 or 3 man crew.
lawn mower fanatic
My advice to you would be to hire a company for a one time cut that uses a ztr and see how long it takes them to cut your lawn before you spend all types of money on a mower you may not need.
Good suggestion, but you have to think that they most likely will have a commercial ZTR that can go 10 mph, and his entry-level ZTR wouldn't go that fast. Also it might be a 2 or 3 man crew.
#10
txzrider
txzrider
ztr's do have a learning curve, when it comes to turning to not damage the lawn... and on a "new" lawn... maybe even more caution is required. What I learned with my kid who did not want to mow at all and wanted to finish as quickly as possible... mowing efficiently with a ztr does not mean as fast as possible!
#11
Ric
Ya know when you think about that statement of a commercial Ztr and running 10 mph it's really dumb for someone to run a mower that fast, it can't possibly cut grass that speed. My GS will run 8 mph but I never run over half that speed, that's should only be done when in transport mode maybe moving from one client to the next in the same area or back to the trailer to load and move to another area. I mean really your car has a v6 or v8 engine and do you take it out on the road and run it wide open? (Hell No) and you shouldn't a mower. Besides getting someone to do his lawn may be his best alternative, the money he is going to spend on a ZTR would carry him for at least two seasons maybe more if he can get it done cheap.
Ric
Good suggestion, but you have to think that they most likely will have a commercial ZTR that can go 10 mph, and his entry-level ZTR wouldn't go that fast. Also it might be a 2 or 3 man crew.
Ya know when you think about that statement of a commercial Ztr and running 10 mph it's really dumb for someone to run a mower that fast, it can't possibly cut grass that speed. My GS will run 8 mph but I never run over half that speed, that's should only be done when in transport mode maybe moving from one client to the next in the same area or back to the trailer to load and move to another area. I mean really your car has a v6 or v8 engine and do you take it out on the road and run it wide open? (Hell No) and you shouldn't a mower. Besides getting someone to do his lawn may be his best alternative, the money he is going to spend on a ZTR would carry him for at least two seasons maybe more if he can get it done cheap.
#12
Carscw
I am going to be nice and not say what I am thinking.
There is no mower that is going to help you.
(( cowboy up and get over it ))
Carscw
That could very well be however this is a brand new house with a new lawn so I have hoses and sprinklers all over the place. My house also has 18 corners. You really need to think about the total time required including all support activities. It is not like the clock starts and stops with the blades on the mower.
1) Get ready to mow. Throw on old clothes and shoes. Get head phones / ear protection (5 min)
2) Get out mower and set up for mulch, throw, or bag depending on lawn conditions. Set proper height. Add gas. Sometimes check oil (5 min)
3) Disconnect all 6 sprinklers and move hoses out of the way (5 min)
4) Tilt up down spouts, remove kid toys, pick up dog crap. Charge up trimmer. (10 min)
5) Mow front left and left side (10 min)
6) Trim mow back (10 min)
7) Mow back (30 min)
8) Mow right side and front right (10 min)
9) Get out blower and house. Clean up mower with blower and washout. Put away (5 min)
10) Get out trimmer, check string, edge driveway, sidewalk, curb 300 ft (10 min)
11) Edge around the house / deck (5 min)
12) Blow off edger and put away. Blow off sidewalk, driveway, and siding. Put away blower (5 min)
13) Hook up sprinklers (5 min)
14) Go inside, take shower (15 min)
This is assuming no additional landscape work and that I'm not bagging the lawn - just over 2 hours start to finish.
The way I see it a ZTR would probably cut 60 min of mowing to 15. Also subtract another 15 minutes depending on the day as may not need to shower. An additional 10 minutes will be saved when I can get rid of the sprinklers.
I suppose when you think of it saving an hour each mow isn't a ton of time but when you have twins every second during the day counts :/
I am going to be nice and not say what I am thinking.
There is no mower that is going to help you.
(( cowboy up and get over it ))
#13
T
tkk
Thanks but I was trying to make a point that mowing is a subset of yardwork. All the little things add up. I was able to time the back yard at 30 minutes exactly so I was a bit off. Take out all of the sprinklers and I'd say 50 minutes mow time - not terrible but not great twice a week when you add in all the rest.
Now my current mower is a POS so it has got to go - the question remains what to replace it with.
I went to see the time master 30 and the time cutter 4260 in person and liked both.
Will the 30 inch cut my mow time down to 32 minutes (36% reduction)? Probably 40 minutes is more realistic. It is definitely a much nicer mower but wow it is pricey for a walk behind.
The ZTR could probably hit my lawn in 15 minutes with some practice. I'd say that is well within the territory of being able to do quick maintenance mows whenever needed during heavy growth. I still struggle with the fact that is is pretty ridiculous to have for my lot.
Can anyone with a time master 30 comment on their experience?
T
tkk
I am going to be nice and not say what I am thinking.
There is no mower that is going to help you.
(( cowboy up and get over it ))
Thanks but I was trying to make a point that mowing is a subset of yardwork. All the little things add up. I was able to time the back yard at 30 minutes exactly so I was a bit off. Take out all of the sprinklers and I'd say 50 minutes mow time - not terrible but not great twice a week when you add in all the rest.
Now my current mower is a POS so it has got to go - the question remains what to replace it with.
I went to see the time master 30 and the time cutter 4260 in person and liked both.
Will the 30 inch cut my mow time down to 32 minutes (36% reduction)? Probably 40 minutes is more realistic. It is definitely a much nicer mower but wow it is pricey for a walk behind.
The ZTR could probably hit my lawn in 15 minutes with some practice. I'd say that is well within the territory of being able to do quick maintenance mows whenever needed during heavy growth. I still struggle with the fact that is is pretty ridiculous to have for my lot.
Can anyone with a time master 30 comment on their experience?
#14
T
tkk
it's pretty well established at this point (seeded first week in June). The back needs mowing 3x week and is thick to the point that I needed to use a pickaxe to remove sod for landscaping because my half moon cutter bent.
T
tkk
A zero turn mower on a new lawn, that's not going to look pretty when done:ashamed:
it's pretty well established at this point (seeded first week in June). The back needs mowing 3x week and is thick to the point that I needed to use a pickaxe to remove sod for landscaping because my half moon cutter bent.
#15
exotion
exotion
Point being if you are counting all the prep time your only going to cut your actual time behind the mower down from apx 45mins to 25ish mins does that justify 1000 dollars?
I say if you need a better mower go buy a 300 dollar toro or honda 21" and work on reducing the rest of your prep time that's where your time saving will be
I say if you need a better mower go buy a 300 dollar toro or honda 21" and work on reducing the rest of your prep time that's where your time saving will be
#17
Ric
I can't comment on the Timemaster but if it cuts anything like it's big brother it will be a sweet mower and ideal for your situation. For the $999 price tag I don't think you can beat the price. Yes you can buy a 300 dollar Toro or Honda 21"like someone else suggested but that would be stupid on your part because you would end up exactly where you are now and at least with the 30" you cut your mowing time. If you have an hours worth of cutting time with your 21" the 30"will cut it in 40 minutes so your looking at cutting your time by a third and you'll end up with a far better cut. From the way you describe your lawn and the way you break it down as a business and I run a 30" a 36" and a 48" mowers the 30" is what I would mow with, the ztr Imo would be over kill and most likely leave me with more trimming to do than the 30" which is something for you to think about if you have never run a ztr because as someone else stated there's a learning curve with a ztr and even when you get used to it you will leave more area to be trimmed than using the 30"
In my opinion a good way for you to go would be to buy the Timemaster and work on reducing your prep time in some ways. Another point that someone mentioned and was a good point and that is if your lawn is a new lawn you'll have to be real careful with a ztr and go slow or you can tear or create a lot of turf damage so there goes your speed advantage with the ztr, and at between 2 and 3k that's a lot of waste.
Ric
Thanks but I was trying to make a point that mowing is a subset of yardwork. All the little things add up. I was able to time the back yard at 30 minutes exactly so I was a bit off. Take out all of the sprinklers and I'd say 50 minutes mow time - not terrible but not great twice a week when you add in all the rest.
Now my current mower is a POS so it has got to go - the question remains what to replace it with.
I went to see the time master 30 and the time cutter 4260 in person and liked both.
Will the 30 inch cut my mow time down to 32 minutes (36% reduction)? Probably 40 minutes is more realistic. It is definitely a much nicer mower but wow it is pricey for a walk behind.
The ZTR could probably hit my lawn in 15 minutes with some practice. I'd say that is well within the territory of being able to do quick maintenance mows whenever needed during heavy growth. I still struggle with the fact that is is pretty ridiculous to have for my lot.
Can anyone with a time master 30 comment on their experience?
I can't comment on the Timemaster but if it cuts anything like it's big brother it will be a sweet mower and ideal for your situation. For the $999 price tag I don't think you can beat the price. Yes you can buy a 300 dollar Toro or Honda 21"like someone else suggested but that would be stupid on your part because you would end up exactly where you are now and at least with the 30" you cut your mowing time. If you have an hours worth of cutting time with your 21" the 30"will cut it in 40 minutes so your looking at cutting your time by a third and you'll end up with a far better cut. From the way you describe your lawn and the way you break it down as a business and I run a 30" a 36" and a 48" mowers the 30" is what I would mow with, the ztr Imo would be over kill and most likely leave me with more trimming to do than the 30" which is something for you to think about if you have never run a ztr because as someone else stated there's a learning curve with a ztr and even when you get used to it you will leave more area to be trimmed than using the 30"
In my opinion a good way for you to go would be to buy the Timemaster and work on reducing your prep time in some ways. Another point that someone mentioned and was a good point and that is if your lawn is a new lawn you'll have to be real careful with a ztr and go slow or you can tear or create a lot of turf damage so there goes your speed advantage with the ztr, and at between 2 and 3k that's a lot of waste.
#18
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tkk
There's no doubt that the 30 in can get right up in there - probably not much worse than my 22. Only having driven a ztr once I do not have a feel for what it will miss. Trees appear to be no problem but I have no trees, just a few corners with 3 of them being inside corners that need mowing. I actually plan on making those go away with some rock beds next year. I certainly have a lot to chew on but I believe it is down to the 30 in time master or the timecutter 4260.
As far as the prep time I will see what I can do about that - should be fairly simple, just need to mow in my dress clothes, rip off the down spouts, put away the sprinklers, shoot the dogs, and buy a goat (for trimming). Actually come to think of it I could leave my mower out in the front yard so it is always ready to go. I am still going to clean the damn thing though because like I said it is a POS and clogs up after mowing 3 strips :tongue:
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tkk
I can't comment on the Timemaster but if it cuts anything like it's big brother it will be a sweet mower and ideal for your situation. For the $999 price tag I don't think you can beat the price. Yes you can buy a 300 dollar Toro or Honda 21"like someone else suggested but that would be stupid on your part because you would end up exactly where you are now and at least with the 30" you cut your mowing time. If you have an hours worth of cutting time with your 21" the 30"will cut it in 40 minutes so your looking at cutting your time by a third and you'll end up with a far better cut. From the way you describe your lawn and the way you break it down as a business and I run a 30" a 36" and a 48" mowers the 30" is what I would mow with, the ztr Imo would be over kill and most likely leave me with more trimming to do than the 30" which is something for you to think about if you have never run a ztr because as someone else stated there's a learning curve with a ztr and even when you get used to it you will leave more area to be trimmed than using the 30"
In my opinion a good way for you to go would be to buy the Timemaster and work on reducing your prep time in some ways. Another point that someone mentioned and was a good point and that is if your lawn is a new lawn you'll have to be real careful with a ztr and go slow or you can tear or create a lot of turf damage so there goes your speed advantage with the ztr, and at between 2 and 3k that's a lot of waste.
There's no doubt that the 30 in can get right up in there - probably not much worse than my 22. Only having driven a ztr once I do not have a feel for what it will miss. Trees appear to be no problem but I have no trees, just a few corners with 3 of them being inside corners that need mowing. I actually plan on making those go away with some rock beds next year. I certainly have a lot to chew on but I believe it is down to the 30 in time master or the timecutter 4260.
As far as the prep time I will see what I can do about that - should be fairly simple, just need to mow in my dress clothes, rip off the down spouts, put away the sprinklers, shoot the dogs, and buy a goat (for trimming). Actually come to think of it I could leave my mower out in the front yard so it is always ready to go. I am still going to clean the damn thing though because like I said it is a POS and clogs up after mowing 3 strips :tongue:
#19
Ric
As far as your prep time goes your on the right track. Instead of ripping off the down spouts why don't you install them at a height that will not hinder your mowing instead of screwing around with them every time you mow and yes throw the hoses and sprinklers away and try installing a under ground sprinkler system with a timer to turn it on and off like you should and would it be possible to make or teach the kids pick up there own toys and put them away when there done playing with them, there are a few more ways you could cut time off your list of complaints but I guess doing things with the right tools would be out of the question. As far as the mower clogging because it's a POS, that's a lot of bull because if a person knows how to set up the mower, mow his grass at the proper height the mower will work perfectly the way it's designed to. The thing is the timecutter nor the 30" isn't going to help you one bit because your not addressing your list of complaints at all. I guess it's like the old saying goes, You can't help those who can't or wont help themselves.
Ric
There's no doubt that the 30 in can get right up in there - probably not much worse than my 22. Only having driven a ztr once I do not have a feel for what it will miss. Trees appear to be no problem but I have no trees, just a few corners with 3 of them being inside corners that need mowing. I actually plan on making those go away with some rock beds next year. I certainly have a lot to chew on but I believe it is down to the 30 in time master or the timecutter 4260.
As far as the prep time I will see what I can do about that - should be fairly simple, just need to mow in my dress clothes, rip off the down spouts, put away the sprinklers, shoot the dogs, and buy a goat (for trimming). Actually come to think of it I could leave my mower out in the front yard so it is always ready to go. I am still going to clean the damn thing though because like I said it is a POS and clogs up after mowing 3 strips :tongue:
As far as your prep time goes your on the right track. Instead of ripping off the down spouts why don't you install them at a height that will not hinder your mowing instead of screwing around with them every time you mow and yes throw the hoses and sprinklers away and try installing a under ground sprinkler system with a timer to turn it on and off like you should and would it be possible to make or teach the kids pick up there own toys and put them away when there done playing with them, there are a few more ways you could cut time off your list of complaints but I guess doing things with the right tools would be out of the question. As far as the mower clogging because it's a POS, that's a lot of bull because if a person knows how to set up the mower, mow his grass at the proper height the mower will work perfectly the way it's designed to. The thing is the timecutter nor the 30" isn't going to help you one bit because your not addressing your list of complaints at all. I guess it's like the old saying goes, You can't help those who can't or wont help themselves.
#20
Carscw
Carscw
Like I said no mower is going to help you.
The problem is not the mower your using the problem is your O C D
I bet you have yellow lines all over your yard from the hoses laying around. Someone said hire someone to cut your grass for you I would charge you $50 just to move all the crap off the grass first.
And cut the grass when it needs it
(( cowboy up and get over it ))
The problem is not the mower your using the problem is your O C D
I bet you have yellow lines all over your yard from the hoses laying around. Someone said hire someone to cut your grass for you I would charge you $50 just to move all the crap off the grass first.
And cut the grass when it needs it
(( cowboy up and get over it ))
#21
txzrider
Ric did you get up in a bad mood today? You seem a bit harsh! He said he is mowing parts of his yard 3 times a week... its not like he is letting it get overgrown. Also he stated he has 3 kids under the age of 2! I have no problems believing he would spend more time herding them around than just picking up toys himself. Not that it would be a bad thing to have them learn at a young age to put away their toys! Sprinkler system seems like a great idea, epecially if he goes for a 30 inch mower and saves 1500 vs the ztr. I have had several mowers over the years that clogged no matter what I did. Sharp blades helped, keeping the underside of the deck spotless helped ... but nothing would solve it. That being said I have 1 more comment about the ztr... will you ever have a need to pull a cart around the house? I use my ztr to move my trailers around, to pull a cart with salt for the pool up my hill from the truck, etc... last comment about the ztr, I would not plan for more than a 50% time savings on the actual mowing time! unless you are a very slow push mower... Which I am, but still cant cut off more than half the push mowing time.
txzrider
As far as your prep time goes your on the right track. Instead of ripping off the down spouts why don't you install them at a height that will not hinder your mowing instead of screwing around with them every time you mow and yes throw the hoses and sprinklers away and try installing a under ground sprinkler system with a timer to turn it on and off like you should and would it be possible to make or teach the kids pick up there own toys and put them away when there done playing with them, there are a few more ways you could cut time off your list of complaints but I guess doing things with the right tools would be out of the question. As far as the mower clogging because it's a POS, that's a lot of bull because if a person knows how to set up the mower, mow his grass at the proper height the mower will work perfectly the way it's designed to. The thing is the timecutter nor the 30" isn't going to help you one bit because your not addressing your list of complaints at all. I guess it's like the old saying goes, You can't help those who can't or wont help themselves.
Ric did you get up in a bad mood today? You seem a bit harsh! He said he is mowing parts of his yard 3 times a week... its not like he is letting it get overgrown. Also he stated he has 3 kids under the age of 2! I have no problems believing he would spend more time herding them around than just picking up toys himself. Not that it would be a bad thing to have them learn at a young age to put away their toys! Sprinkler system seems like a great idea, epecially if he goes for a 30 inch mower and saves 1500 vs the ztr. I have had several mowers over the years that clogged no matter what I did. Sharp blades helped, keeping the underside of the deck spotless helped ... but nothing would solve it. That being said I have 1 more comment about the ztr... will you ever have a need to pull a cart around the house? I use my ztr to move my trailers around, to pull a cart with salt for the pool up my hill from the truck, etc... last comment about the ztr, I would not plan for more than a 50% time savings on the actual mowing time! unless you are a very slow push mower... Which I am, but still cant cut off more than half the push mowing time.
#22
djdicetn
Can't help you on the Toro, but I do have experience on Gravely ZTR's. The ZT 34" would run $2299 MSRP, but I would recommend the 42" for $400 more because it comes with a Kawasaki instead of a Briggs & Stratton. Either of those would reliably cut your yard for many, many years for < $3K. That is if you are still interested in a ZTR versus a walk behind which would be a LOT less money. If you are still comparing ZTR's, throw those Gravely's into the mix for comparison. IMHO, you can't go wrong with a Gravely(I love mine). I kinda largely ignored a lot of this thread where you were getting advice......... "outside a machine recommendation":0)
djdicetn
Thanks but I was trying to make a point that mowing is a subset of yardwork. All the little things add up. I was able to time the back yard at 30 minutes exactly so I was a bit off. Take out all of the sprinklers and I'd say 50 minutes mow time - not terrible but not great twice a week when you add in all the rest.
Now my current mower is a POS so it has got to go - the question remains what to replace it with.
I went to see the time master 30 and the time cutter 4260 in person and liked both.
Will the 30 inch cut my mow time down to 32 minutes (36% reduction)? Probably 40 minutes is more realistic. It is definitely a much nicer mower but wow it is pricey for a walk behind.
The ZTR could probably hit my lawn in 15 minutes with some practice. I'd say that is well within the territory of being able to do quick maintenance mows whenever needed during heavy growth. I still struggle with the fact that is is pretty ridiculous to have for my lot.
Can anyone with a time master 30 comment on their experience?
Can't help you on the Toro, but I do have experience on Gravely ZTR's. The ZT 34" would run $2299 MSRP, but I would recommend the 42" for $400 more because it comes with a Kawasaki instead of a Briggs & Stratton. Either of those would reliably cut your yard for many, many years for < $3K. That is if you are still interested in a ZTR versus a walk behind which would be a LOT less money. If you are still comparing ZTR's, throw those Gravely's into the mix for comparison. IMHO, you can't go wrong with a Gravely(I love mine). I kinda largely ignored a lot of this thread where you were getting advice......... "outside a machine recommendation":0)
#23
exotion
exotion
It would be kinda lame to buy a 2500 dollar machine do 3 circles around his house and be done the mower wouldn't even get warmed up its .4 acres this is a small yard not a field not a big open space he needs a walk behind I think a good quality 21 would do but the 30 toro would be good to anything bigger is just plain overkill
Instead of trimming just take roundup to all your edges everywhere you would weed wack. Figure out which direction to mow would be the fastest way.
Bury your hoses and get inground sprinklers no more moving hoses and sprinklers
Teach your kids to clean up (this is hard I know I have a 3 year old) no more toys.
There are always alternatives to everything work smarter not harder.....
Instead of trimming just take roundup to all your edges everywhere you would weed wack. Figure out which direction to mow would be the fastest way.
Bury your hoses and get inground sprinklers no more moving hoses and sprinklers
Teach your kids to clean up (this is hard I know I have a 3 year old) no more toys.
There are always alternatives to everything work smarter not harder.....
#24
lawn mower fanatic
I agree that he should get a walk-behind, but 0.4 acres is a pretty decent sized yard. I mow a 0.41 acre yard tomorrow....will take pics to show how large it is.
lawn mower fanatic
It would be kinda lame to buy a 2500 dollar machine do 3 circles around his house and be done the mower wouldn't even get warmed up its .4 acres this is a small yard not a field not a big open space he needs a walk behind I think a good quality 21 would do but the 30 toro would be good to anything bigger is just plain overkill
Instead of trimming just take roundup to all your edges everywhere you would weed wack. Figure out which direction to mow would be the fastest way.
Bury your hoses and get inground sprinklers no more moving hoses and sprinklers
Teach your kids to clean up (this is hard I know I have a 3 year old) no more toys.
There are always alternatives to everything work smarter not harder.....
I agree that he should get a walk-behind, but 0.4 acres is a pretty decent sized yard. I mow a 0.41 acre yard tomorrow....will take pics to show how large it is.
#25
Ric
Did I get up in a bad mood, I guess I'm like old Matt Dillon on Gunsmoke I went to bed mean and woke up meaner:smile: Actually I think he was being more than a little sarcastic with his reply about needing to mow in his dress clothes, ripping off the down spouts and putting away the sprinklers, shoot the dogs, and buy a goat (for trimming) Shoot the dogs, Please. Ya know I have no problems believing he would spend a lot of time taking care of the kids, I had four kids all under the age of 5 at one time in my life and I was like 24 years old but I managed to have a job and take care of my Home and lawn just like many other people I know of did but it was my choice and thank goodness their gone and have family's of there own. :thumbsup: I agree with Carscw no mower is going to help him.
Ric
Ric did you get up in a bad mood today? You seem a bit harsh! He said he is mowing parts of his yard 3 times a week... its not like he is letting it get overgrown. Also he stated he has 3 kids under the age of 2! I have no problems believing he would spend more time herding them around than just picking up toys himself. Not that it would be a bad thing to have them learn at a young age to put away their toys! Sprinkler system seems like a great idea, epecially if he goes for a 30 inch mower and saves 1500 vs the ztr. I have had several mowers over the years that clogged no matter what I did. Sharp blades helped, keeping the underside of the deck spotless helped ... but nothing would solve it. That being said I have 1 more comment about the ztr... will you ever have a need to pull a cart around the house? I use my ztr to move my trailers around, to pull a cart with salt for the pool up my hill from the truck, etc... last comment about the ztr, I would not plan for more than a 50% time savings on the actual mowing time! unless you are a very slow push mower... Which I am, but still cant cut off more than half the push mowing time.
Did I get up in a bad mood, I guess I'm like old Matt Dillon on Gunsmoke I went to bed mean and woke up meaner:smile: Actually I think he was being more than a little sarcastic with his reply about needing to mow in his dress clothes, ripping off the down spouts and putting away the sprinklers, shoot the dogs, and buy a goat (for trimming) Shoot the dogs, Please. Ya know I have no problems believing he would spend a lot of time taking care of the kids, I had four kids all under the age of 5 at one time in my life and I was like 24 years old but I managed to have a job and take care of my Home and lawn just like many other people I know of did but it was my choice and thank goodness their gone and have family's of there own. :thumbsup: I agree with Carscw no mower is going to help him.
#26
lawn mower fanatic
According to a website this lawn is 0.41 acres (and I believe it). As you can see a ZTR would save some time, so if his yard is as open as this one (minus the sprinklers and toys), it would help, but I would still think a walk-behind would be good.
lawn mower fanatic
It would be kinda lame to buy a 2500 dollar machine do 3 circles around his house and be done the mower wouldn't even get warmed up its .4 acres this is a small yard not a field not a big open space he needs a walk behind I think a good quality 21 would do but the 30 toro would be good to anything bigger is just plain overkill...
I agree that he should get a walk-behind, but 0.4 acres is a pretty decent sized yard. I mow a 0.41 acre yard tomorrow....will take pics to show how large it is.
According to a website this lawn is 0.41 acres (and I believe it). As you can see a ZTR would save some time, so if his yard is as open as this one (minus the sprinklers and toys), it would help, but I would still think a walk-behind would be good.
#27
Ric
I would agree a ztr may save some time and this is only a shot in the dark and as pretty as your picture is I really feel like something is missing. The OP said his lot is .4 acres and I'm just assuming but I would guess there's like a 2000sq.ft home with a drive way and sidewalks with the 300ft of edging he talk about plus the flower beds or at least some landscaping he mentioned so when you put all that in your picture what's left? I would think a ztr is a little overkill.
Ric
According to a website this lawn is 0.41 acres (and I believe it). As you can see a ZTR would save some time, so if his yard is as open as this one (minus the sprinklers and toys), it would help, but I would still think a walk-behind would be good.
I would agree a ztr may save some time and this is only a shot in the dark and as pretty as your picture is I really feel like something is missing. The OP said his lot is .4 acres and I'm just assuming but I would guess there's like a 2000sq.ft home with a drive way and sidewalks with the 300ft of edging he talk about plus the flower beds or at least some landscaping he mentioned so when you put all that in your picture what's left? I would think a ztr is a little overkill.
#28
lawn mower fanatic
Well there is a house and front yard on this property, too...this is just the backyard. I agree; you can get more for your money with something like the Timemaster.
lawn mower fanatic
I would agree a ztr may save some time and this is only a shot in the dark and as pretty as your picture is I really feel like something is missing. The OP said his lot is .4 acres and I'm just assuming but I would guess there's like a 2000sq.ft home with a drive way and sidewalks with the 300ft of edging he talk about plus the flower beds or at least some landscaping he mentioned so when you put all that in your picture what's left? I would think a ztr is a little overkill.
Well there is a house and front yard on this property, too...this is just the backyard. I agree; you can get more for your money with something like the Timemaster.
#29
Carscw
Carscw
I don't think a zero turn will help him. It might just add to is time.
Check oil 2 mins
Check gas add if needed 7 mins
Check tire air psi 2 mins
Adjust tire air psi 10 mins
Plan mowing route 15 mins
Talk to wife about how he will get ready to cut the grass 45 mins
(( cowboy up and get over it ))
Check oil 2 mins
Check gas add if needed 7 mins
Check tire air psi 2 mins
Adjust tire air psi 10 mins
Plan mowing route 15 mins
Talk to wife about how he will get ready to cut the grass 45 mins
(( cowboy up and get over it ))
#30
exotion
Hahaha
Actually sit on mower crack open beer : timeless
exotion
I don't think a zero turn will help him. It might just add to is time.
Check oil 2 mins
Check gas add if needed 7 mins
Check tire air psi 2 mins
Adjust tire air psi 10 mins
Plan mowing route 15 mins
Talk to wife about how he will get ready to cut the grass 45 mins
(( cowboy up and get over it ))
Hahaha
Actually sit on mower crack open beer : timeless
#31
djdicetn
I hear ya.......I've got a kegerator with a half-barrel of Michelob Ultra and keep cleaned out beer bottles in the freezer. I never worry about the "prep time" it takes me to draw a cold one into a frozen mug and then slowly transfer it via funnel into the frozen bottle(to keep the foam down:0) and put it in a huggy before I start the engine everytime I mow. I'm just about perfected the art of zero turn mowing with one hand every few minutes while I take a swig. The only "downside"....this darned ZTR has made a 2-beer job a 1-beer job:0)
djdicetn
Hahaha
Actually sit on mower crack open beer : timeless
I hear ya.......I've got a kegerator with a half-barrel of Michelob Ultra and keep cleaned out beer bottles in the freezer. I never worry about the "prep time" it takes me to draw a cold one into a frozen mug and then slowly transfer it via funnel into the frozen bottle(to keep the foam down:0) and put it in a huggy before I start the engine everytime I mow. I'm just about perfected the art of zero turn mowing with one hand every few minutes while I take a swig. The only "downside"....this darned ZTR has made a 2-beer job a 1-beer job:0)
#32
T
tkk
Yes it was a tongue in cheek comment meaning that I am sure there is room for improvement in my mowing routine however I am not going to go to the extent of sprinting around the yard picking up after the dogs either.
Anyhow we will get to run an experiment and see if you are right when you say no mower is going to help me - I almost didn't do it but the 2nd to lowest end Toro TimeCutter will arrive tomorrow (SS 4235). As much as I wanted to go with the Kawasaki, the Kholer will do just fine for as little as this thing will be used.
I made sure to get a hitch because I have a ton of landscaping to do - would have come in handy a few weeks ago when I had to haul 30 bags of concrete out back.
As nice as the TimeMaster 30 sounds - if I am going to have to mow 2 to 3 times per week at this property I am ready to push the easy button. I mowed 3 days ago and already half of my back yard is tall enough that there is no chance of mulching with the craftsman and I will need to slow way down when side discharging.
So I'm putting 50 minutes walk behind time on the board for the entire yard. This is going as fast as the mower can go except when I hit tall grass. Will the ZTR save me time? I am about to find out.
T
tkk
Did I get up in a bad mood, I guess I'm like old Matt Dillon on Gunsmoke I went to bed mean and woke up meaner:smile: Actually I think he was being more than a little sarcastic with his reply about needing to mow in his dress clothes, ripping off the down spouts and putting away the sprinklers, shoot the dogs, and buy a goat (for trimming) Shoot the dogs, Please. Ya know I have no problems believing he would spend a lot of time taking care of the kids, I had four kids all under the age of 5 at one time in my life and I was like 24 years old but I managed to have a job and take care of my Home and lawn just like many other people I know of did but it was my choice and thank goodness their gone and have family's of there own. :thumbsup: I agree with Carscw no mower is going to help him.
Yes it was a tongue in cheek comment meaning that I am sure there is room for improvement in my mowing routine however I am not going to go to the extent of sprinting around the yard picking up after the dogs either.
Anyhow we will get to run an experiment and see if you are right when you say no mower is going to help me - I almost didn't do it but the 2nd to lowest end Toro TimeCutter will arrive tomorrow (SS 4235). As much as I wanted to go with the Kawasaki, the Kholer will do just fine for as little as this thing will be used.
I made sure to get a hitch because I have a ton of landscaping to do - would have come in handy a few weeks ago when I had to haul 30 bags of concrete out back.
As nice as the TimeMaster 30 sounds - if I am going to have to mow 2 to 3 times per week at this property I am ready to push the easy button. I mowed 3 days ago and already half of my back yard is tall enough that there is no chance of mulching with the craftsman and I will need to slow way down when side discharging.
So I'm putting 50 minutes walk behind time on the board for the entire yard. This is going as fast as the mower can go except when I hit tall grass. Will the ZTR save me time? I am about to find out.
#33
exotion
exotion
You have a nice open lot should take you about 15 mins to mow
#34
lawn mower fanatic
lawn mower fanatic
Keep us posted! 
#35
T
tkk
T
tkk
Wow, that was.... fun. Not something I have ever said about mowing.
I am going to need a few weeks worth of practice to post a decent time. Mowed most of the yard in slow gear and inched my way along the curb. 25 minutes total mow time which is only going to get better when I figure out what the heck I am doing.
I actually ended up with a lot less edging left to do than I thought. It did worse on the inside corners but better on the driveway and sidewalk borders than my walk behind so I'd call that about a wash.
It handled the slopes like a champ. The new lawn held up just fine - just one tiny bald spot on one of the hills where I whipped around. Next time I will mow that hill side to side from the bottom up so I can always turn up instead of whip around and go down.
So far I'd say I made the right choice. Yes the machine probably needs more yard but it really isn't that ridiculous.
One other thing that I really like about the ZTR is it is perfect for all of the different "zones" in my yard. With the push mower I felt like I had to make so many turns and short passes because my house is not square. Now it is zip zip zip and move on.
I am going to need a few weeks worth of practice to post a decent time. Mowed most of the yard in slow gear and inched my way along the curb. 25 minutes total mow time which is only going to get better when I figure out what the heck I am doing.
I actually ended up with a lot less edging left to do than I thought. It did worse on the inside corners but better on the driveway and sidewalk borders than my walk behind so I'd call that about a wash.
It handled the slopes like a champ. The new lawn held up just fine - just one tiny bald spot on one of the hills where I whipped around. Next time I will mow that hill side to side from the bottom up so I can always turn up instead of whip around and go down.
So far I'd say I made the right choice. Yes the machine probably needs more yard but it really isn't that ridiculous.
One other thing that I really like about the ZTR is it is perfect for all of the different "zones" in my yard. With the push mower I felt like I had to make so many turns and short passes because my house is not square. Now it is zip zip zip and move on.
#36
txzrider
txzrider
Congrats on the new mower and the nice looking yard, remember the number rule to not leaving divots in your yard is to never let one wheel stop turning when you turn. If you try to make the absolutly shortest turn you can meaning leaving one lever in the center while you move the other one... will always tear up grass. However if you pull one towards you and push the other lever away... you can turn and never leave a mark. Because both wheels are turning.
#37
Parkmower
I wouldn't do that. That's a sure way to ruin your transmission on your brand new machine and warranty won't cover abuse like that. They aren't made for pulling. Read your manual. It will give you total weight limit for machine.
Parkmower
I made sure to get a hitch because I have a ton of landscaping to do - would have come in handy a few weeks ago when I had to haul 30 bags of concrete out back.
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I wouldn't do that. That's a sure way to ruin your transmission on your brand new machine and warranty won't cover abuse like that. They aren't made for pulling. Read your manual. It will give you total weight limit for machine.
#38
T
tkk
Thanks for the concern. This is a genuine toro hitch specifically for this machine. Didn't see any weight limits in the machine manual itself but the hitch spec says max 80 lbs. I am light weight so should be fine for the very few uses that the hitch will get.
T
tkk
I wouldn't do that. That's a sure way to ruin your transmission on your brand new machine and warranty won't cover abuse like that. They aren't made for pulling. Read your manual. It will give you total weight limit for machine.
Thanks for the concern. This is a genuine toro hitch specifically for this machine. Didn't see any weight limits in the machine manual itself but the hitch spec says max 80 lbs. I am light weight so should be fine for the very few uses that the hitch will get.
#39
Carscw
Carscw
They also sell snow plows made just for a pickup truck but if you install it and use it it voids the warranty.
(( cowboy up and get over it ))
(( cowboy up and get over it ))
#40
T
tkk
You can also stop being such an ***.
T
tkk
They also sell snow plows made just for a pickup truck but if you install it and use it it voids the warranty.
(( cowboy up and get over it ))
You can also stop being such an ***.
#41
Carscw
Carscw
Point is just because they sell a tow hitch for your mower does not mean it will not void your warranty. You should really ask your dealer about this just to protect your self.
If I stop being a a ss then I would not be me
If telling things how they really are is being a azz then guess I am a azz
(( cowboy up and get over it ))
If I stop being a a ss then I would not be me
If telling things how they really are is being a azz then guess I am a azz
(( cowboy up and get over it ))
#42
Ric
Carscw is not being an ***, along with Parkmower there telling you the truth. Your mower has a Dual Hydrostatic Transmission Drive System the EZT, most likely. The smallest of the Hydro drives and they are not designed to pull anything. If you want to throw a small trailer on the back and use it for your yard tools fine but I wouldn't go pulling concrete around or anything of any weight or you'll stand a very good chance of destroying the drives.
Ric
I wouldn't do that. That's a sure way to ruin your transmission on your brand new machine and warranty won't cover abuse like that. They aren't made for pulling. Read your manual. It will give you total weight limit for machine.
They also sell snow plows made just for a pickup truck but if you install it and use it it voids the warranty.
(( cowboy up and get over it ))
You can also stop being such an ***.
Carscw is not being an ***, along with Parkmower there telling you the truth. Your mower has a Dual Hydrostatic Transmission Drive System the EZT, most likely. The smallest of the Hydro drives and they are not designed to pull anything. If you want to throw a small trailer on the back and use it for your yard tools fine but I wouldn't go pulling concrete around or anything of any weight or you'll stand a very good chance of destroying the drives.
#43
exotion
Its a valid point... he just doesn't want to see you ruin your machine. And be angry because you tried to do something the machine wasn't made to do. It was made to mow not really haul things. If you want to haul stuff go buy a crappy garden tractor off craigslist and use that for hauling.
exotion
You can also stop being such an ***.
Its a valid point... he just doesn't want to see you ruin your machine. And be angry because you tried to do something the machine wasn't made to do. It was made to mow not really haul things. If you want to haul stuff go buy a crappy garden tractor off craigslist and use that for hauling.
#44
djdicetn
Yep...ole Carscw may come across as a "little rough" from time to time, but you can assure that he's shooting straight with you and giving solid advice!!!
djdicetn
Carscw is not being an ***, along with Parkmower there telling you the truth. Your mower has a Dual Hydrostatic Transmission Drive System the EZT, most likely. The smallest of the Hydro drives and they are not designed to pull anything. If you want to throw a small trailer on the back and use it for your yard tools fine but I wouldn't go pulling concrete around or anything of any weight or you'll stand a very good chance of destroying the drives.
Yep...ole Carscw may come across as a "little rough" from time to time, but you can assure that he's shooting straight with you and giving solid advice!!!
#45
Ric
Yeah, No doubt it's good advice, there's a lot of years experience talking on the subject.
Ric
Yep...ole Carscw may come across as a "little rough" from time to time, but you can assure that he's shooting straight with you and giving solid advice!!!
Yeah, No doubt it's good advice, there's a lot of years experience talking on the subject.
#46
TaskForceLawnCare
TaskForceLawnCare
Should've just hired a professional my opinion is biased i think everyone should pay me to mow their yard. We'd uploaded, mow, trim, blow, edge your yard and loaded before you could fill all your kids sippey cups. Just saying hiring a professional would save you tons of time.
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tkk
It is probably pointless to debate this because the thing will probably pull a small cart once or twice a year however
a) My dealer is the one who sold and installed my hitch
b) My dealer said a small cart will be just fine on this machine and it is best to keep it under 200 lbs
c) The warranty does not list any towing exclusions. The manual does not mention towing at all. The hitch manual is the only thing that references towing and says 80 lbs.
e) I cannot see how me towing two 80 lb bags of concrete is much different than a 300 lb person riding the ZTR towing nothing. Provided I would be towing with a four wheel cart because I'd rather keep the front wheels on the ground.
In the end it is just going to have to be a calculated risk. The way I see it towing is fine in moderation, with reasonable loads, and with loads spaced enough to prevent overheating.
If you think towing is bad for a ztr, how about plowing?
Plowing 12" of snow with MiBar Plow and Ariens Zoom 42 Zero Turn Mower - YouTube
I would never do that! Now the snow blower attachments are tempting but I doubt my machine could handle something as wide as its wheels plus the salt would eat my mower alive.
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tkk
Point is just because they sell a tow hitch for your mower does not mean it will not void your warranty. You should really ask your dealer about this just to protect your self.
If I stop being a a ss then I would not be me
If telling things how they really are is being a azz then guess I am a azz
(( cowboy up and get over it ))
It is probably pointless to debate this because the thing will probably pull a small cart once or twice a year however
a) My dealer is the one who sold and installed my hitch
b) My dealer said a small cart will be just fine on this machine and it is best to keep it under 200 lbs
c) The warranty does not list any towing exclusions. The manual does not mention towing at all. The hitch manual is the only thing that references towing and says 80 lbs.
e) I cannot see how me towing two 80 lb bags of concrete is much different than a 300 lb person riding the ZTR towing nothing. Provided I would be towing with a four wheel cart because I'd rather keep the front wheels on the ground.
In the end it is just going to have to be a calculated risk. The way I see it towing is fine in moderation, with reasonable loads, and with loads spaced enough to prevent overheating.
If you think towing is bad for a ztr, how about plowing?
Plowing 12" of snow with MiBar Plow and Ariens Zoom 42 Zero Turn Mower - YouTube
I would never do that! Now the snow blower attachments are tempting but I doubt my machine could handle something as wide as its wheels plus the salt would eat my mower alive.
#48
Ric
Cub Cadet does state in the warranty that towing does void any warranty on their RZT entry level series and they all pretty much run the EZT transmissions. I think it pretty much comes down to how well someone takes care of or abuses there equipment as to how long they want to keep the mower in working condition.
Ric
Point is just because they sell a tow hitch for your mower does not mean it will not void your warranty. You should really ask your dealer about this just to protect your self.
If I stop being a a ss then I would not be me
If telling things how they really are is being a azz then guess I am a azz
(( cowboy up and get over it ))
Cub Cadet does state in the warranty that towing does void any warranty on their RZT entry level series and they all pretty much run the EZT transmissions. I think it pretty much comes down to how well someone takes care of or abuses there equipment as to how long they want to keep the mower in working condition.
#49
Ric
a) the dealer going to tell and sell you anything you want as he really doesn't care because it's a sale and more money in his pocket.
b) when the manual does not mention towing, shouldn't that tell you something? The hitch manual is referring to what the hitch capacity is, what it will hold and pull, not what it's mounted or what the mower is capably of pulling.
I would suggest you find the thread on this forum and ask that individual how he feels about replacing his EZT transmission with only 212 hrs, They ain't cheap.
Ric
It is probably pointless to debate this because the thing will probably pull a small cart once or twice a year however
a) My dealer is the one who sold and installed my hitch
b) My dealer said a small cart will be just fine on this machine and it is best to keep it under 200 lbs
c) The warranty does not list any towing exclusions. The manual does not mention towing at all. The hitch manual is the only thing that references towing and says 80 lbs.
e) I cannot see how me towing two 80 lb bags of concrete is much different than a 300 lb person riding the ZTR towing nothing. Provided I would be towing with a four wheel cart because I'd rather keep the front wheels on the ground.
In the end it is just going to have to be a calculated risk. The way I see it towing is fine in moderation, with reasonable loads, and with loads spaced enough to prevent overheating.
If you think towing is bad for a ztr, how about plowing?
Plowing 12" of snow with MiBar Plow and Ariens Zoom 42 Zero Turn Mower - YouTube
I would never do that! Now the snow blower attachments are tempting but I doubt my machine could handle something as wide as its wheels plus the salt would eat my mower alive.
a) the dealer going to tell and sell you anything you want as he really doesn't care because it's a sale and more money in his pocket.
b) when the manual does not mention towing, shouldn't that tell you something? The hitch manual is referring to what the hitch capacity is, what it will hold and pull, not what it's mounted or what the mower is capably of pulling.
I would suggest you find the thread on this forum and ask that individual how he feels about replacing his EZT transmission with only 212 hrs, They ain't cheap.
#50
Boudreaux
Boudreaux
My Dealer & I had a very long conversation about towing with the Cheetah, so I felt comfortable when he installed the hitch supplied by Scag. I feel sure, based on the following text,
Scag is fully aware that if they supply a hitch, it will be used....
Here is text taken from the Scag Cheetah PDF Manual:
NEVER allow children or others in or on towed equipment.
1. Tow only with a machine that has a hitch designed for towing.
2. Do not attach towed equipment except at the hitch point. Follow manufacturer's recommendations for weight
3. limit for towed equipment. 250 lbs. maximum towing weight. NEVER tow on slopes. The weight of the towed
4. equipment may cause loss of traction and loss of control. Travel slowly and allow extra distance to stop.
5. Zero-turning with a trailer attached could cause damage to the trailer or mower.
Scag is fully aware that if they supply a hitch, it will be used....
Here is text taken from the Scag Cheetah PDF Manual:
NEVER allow children or others in or on towed equipment.
1. Tow only with a machine that has a hitch designed for towing.
2. Do not attach towed equipment except at the hitch point. Follow manufacturer's recommendations for weight
3. limit for towed equipment. 250 lbs. maximum towing weight. NEVER tow on slopes. The weight of the towed
4. equipment may cause loss of traction and loss of control. Travel slowly and allow extra distance to stop.
5. Zero-turning with a trailer attached could cause damage to the trailer or mower.
#51
TaskForceLawnCare
TaskForceLawnCare
Well the Scag is a sweet machine especially the cheetah and they are born with huge pumps. I use Dixie's but respect the Scags. I'd run them if the dealer was closer.
#52
exotion
That's what she said!
exotion
they are born with huge pumps.
That's what she said!
#53
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steve80
I just bought a Husqvarna ztr 48" welded deck..Probably a little too big for you but I saw some 42" ztr that looked pretty nice you might want to check them out. I bought a 48 " deere z245 but took it back on the 30 policy they had in place in August.
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steve80
I'm having a difficult time trying to decide which more to move up to. I currently have a Craftsman 700 series walk behind which was purchased a few years ago for my old house. To be honest my mower is a piece of junk - it can't mulch any length of grass without clumping and grass is constantly getting stuck everywhere.
My new lot is only .4 acres (including the additional 20x94 feet I can mow into the green belt behind my house). The basement is 1/2 exposed so there are half story hills on either side. All included it probably takes me a good 2+ hours to mow, trim, and get everything cleaned up (not including myself). This is best case however since this mower doesn't mulch well I usually have to bag which takes even longer and leaves me with a trip to the city compost pile on the weekend.
So my lot is definitely too small to turn a tractor, especially with all the corners on the house and probable fence in the future. A ZTR, while I believe it would work well, still seems a bit ridiculous. The wife wants me to cut down the mow time so I can help more with the three young ones all under the age of 2 :/
Here's what I have looked at so far:
- Toro Time Cutter 30 inch walk behind
Not really thrilled about this but it is cheaper than ZTRs. I'm sure it will mulch better than the craftsman.
- Toro Time Cutter SS 42
This is probably the right size for ZTR however I'm not sure about the Kohler engine, stamped deck, and non-maintainable transmission. I also haven't seen anything listing the BTS.
- Hustler Raptor 42
Looks like a possible option but the BTS is relatively low and the nearest dealer is 40 miles away.
- Ariens Zoom 42
Jury is still out on this one. Seems about on par with the Toro SS
What else should I be looking at?
Would be nice to keep this at 2500 or less although I am not the type of person that would be penny wise and pound foolish. I also need to consider that this is a small lot so there won't be a ton of hours logged. If my stamped deck gets a hole in 8 years it might be more cost effective to replace the stamped deck vs upgrade to something that has a welded deck. I suppose this could be the case with transmission as well?
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
I just bought a Husqvarna ztr 48" welded deck..Probably a little too big for you but I saw some 42" ztr that looked pretty nice you might want to check them out. I bought a 48 " deere z245 but took it back on the 30 policy they had in place in August.
#54
lawn mower fanatic
Just curious, why did you take back the John Deere? It might better help us recommend mowers.
lawn mower fanatic
I just bought a Husqvarna ztr 48" welded deck..Probably a little too big for you but I saw some 42" ztr that looked pretty nice you might want to check them out. I bought a 48 " deere z245 but took it back on the 30 policy they had in place in August.
Just curious, why did you take back the John Deere? It might better help us recommend mowers.
#55
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steve80
Returned the jd after 20 days and about 3 times of mowing 1.5 acres.... It didnt seem to cut that well for me and the grass would blow up through the deck plate on to your legs and feet had to wear long pants to mow..The dealer said this was common on all zero turn mowers but my husqvarna rz4824f doesnt do this..I was going to try a bigger model from jd but didnt like the way the salesman acted about my return so I went looking..I believe in buying from a dealer and I found this mower for less money about $100.and 0% financing for 3years.
Didn't know much about Husqvarna but I'm impressed with the sturdy build and easy access to grease fittings on the spindles and wheels.The deck is welded with a lifetime guarantee,It has a Kawaski 730 frv motor 24 hp.
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steve80
Just curious, why did you take back the John Deere? It might better help us recommend mowers.
Returned the jd after 20 days and about 3 times of mowing 1.5 acres.... It didnt seem to cut that well for me and the grass would blow up through the deck plate on to your legs and feet had to wear long pants to mow..The dealer said this was common on all zero turn mowers but my husqvarna rz4824f doesnt do this..I was going to try a bigger model from jd but didnt like the way the salesman acted about my return so I went looking..I believe in buying from a dealer and I found this mower for less money about $100.and 0% financing for 3years.
Didn't know much about Husqvarna but I'm impressed with the sturdy build and easy access to grease fittings on the spindles and wheels.The deck is welded with a lifetime guarantee,It has a Kawaski 730 frv motor 24 hp.
#56
djdicetn
You did the right thing.....those Z series John Deeres with the stamped decks are way over-priced and I wouldn't have one!!!
djdicetn
Returned the jd after 20 days and about 3 times of mowing 1.5 acres.... It didnt seem to cut that well for me and the grass would blow up through the deck plate on to your legs and feet had to wear long pants to mow..The dealer said this was common on all zero turn mowers but my husqvarna rz4824f doesnt do this..I was going to try a bigger model from jd but didnt like the way the salesman acted about my return so I went looking..I believe in buying from a dealer and I found this mower for less money about $100.and 0% financing for 3years.
Didn't know much about Husqvarna but I'm impressed with the sturdy build and easy access to grease fittings on the spindles and wheels.The deck is welded with a lifetime guarantee,It has a Kawaski 730 frv motor 24 hp.
You did the right thing.....those Z series John Deeres with the stamped decks are way over-priced and I wouldn't have one!!!
#57
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farris35
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farris35
I have a 42 toro time cutter at my house a a deere 42 in at the farm.
One thing I hate about the Toro is the "safety" guy at toro stuck the blades up about 1.5 inches higher than the outside deck. If you want to scalp your yard, good luck, on both the A and B setting, the deck is dragging the ground, and you cannot scalp the yard.
I don't know exactly what Deere I have (42 incn ztr) but it will scalp just fine.
One thing I hate about the Toro is the "safety" guy at toro stuck the blades up about 1.5 inches higher than the outside deck. If you want to scalp your yard, good luck, on both the A and B setting, the deck is dragging the ground, and you cannot scalp the yard.
I don't know exactly what Deere I have (42 incn ztr) but it will scalp just fine.
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opd128@aol.com
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opd128@aol.com
You might want to consider a used commercial zrt mower like a scagg or a gravley. I own a lawn care business and have come across a few good used machines for sale. I think the smallest scagg zrt is 42" . rGravley has a 36". Maybe alot of money up front but you would never have to buy another one.
#59
lawn mower fanatic
I might be wrong but I looked and I think the smallest Scag ZTR has a 48" cut, not 42". That kind of makes people not consider the brand if a) You are a homeowner who wants a commercial ZTR but with a small deck because of your yard size or b) If you are a commercial operator but want a small deck to fit in gates. :confused2:
SCAG POWER EQUIPMENT - Commercial Zero Turn Riding Mowers
EDIT:
But then again I just found a Scag mower called the Z-Cat, which you can get in 36" or 42" decks. I didn't see it on the ZTR page of the Scag website, though, so I don't know if they are still made (or popular).
SCAG POWER EQUIPMENT - Z-Cat Commercial Zero Turn Riding Mower
lawn mower fanatic
You might want to consider a used commercial zrt mower like a scagg or a gravley. I own a lawn care business and have come across a few good used machines for sale. I think the smallest scagg zrt is 42" . rGravley has a 36". Maybe alot of money up front but you would never have to buy another one.
I might be wrong but I looked and I think the smallest Scag ZTR has a 48" cut, not 42". That kind of makes people not consider the brand if a) You are a homeowner who wants a commercial ZTR but with a small deck because of your yard size or b) If you are a commercial operator but want a small deck to fit in gates. :confused2:
SCAG POWER EQUIPMENT - Commercial Zero Turn Riding Mowers
EDIT:
But then again I just found a Scag mower called the Z-Cat, which you can get in 36" or 42" decks. I didn't see it on the ZTR page of the Scag website, though, so I don't know if they are still made (or popular).
SCAG POWER EQUIPMENT - Z-Cat Commercial Zero Turn Riding Mower
#60
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earthworm
Snapper makes many mowers (riding, rear engine ) in this range.....but, even at 73 years of age, I'd favor the manual push and its good exercise.
At this point in time, only Toro has a decent 30" in two models....
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earthworm
I , too, have a 0.4 acre lot, and having anything over ...36 inches or so is excessive and can scalp unless its a professionally graded lawn, which mine is not !I think the 30" would do you best .4 is a bit small for a most ZTR in my opinion and most of those 42" are much to big the time master 30" walk behind is about 1000 bucks and much cheaper than the others
Snapper makes many mowers (riding, rear engine ) in this range.....but, even at 73 years of age, I'd favor the manual push and its good exercise.
At this point in time, only Toro has a decent 30" in two models....
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earthworm
This, I do NOT know about......as I spend 2 to 3 hours ! .. with the 21 inch LB....I have about 90 obstacles to navigate and 180 "turn-arounds"...or so it seems...
I think a 36" ZTR would be sweet, with mulching capabilities...The 44" Simplicity is a bit too large...
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earthworm
Tbh... if you spend more than an hr on a .4 acre lot your doing something wrong even with a 21"
This, I do NOT know about......as I spend 2 to 3 hours ! .. with the 21 inch LB....I have about 90 obstacles to navigate and 180 "turn-arounds"...or so it seems...
I think a 36" ZTR would be sweet, with mulching capabilities...The 44" Simplicity is a bit too large...
#62
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earthworm
With practice, 10 to 20 % can be cut from each step...But , TKK, you have posted the truth here...we do get too little of this today...
If maintaining a 4.0 acre lawn, the efficiency is much greater...naturally....
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earthworm
That could very well be however this is a brand new house with a new lawn so I have hoses and sprinklers all over the place. My house also has 18 corners. You really need to think about the total time required including all support activities. It is not like the clock starts and stops with the blades on the mower.
1) Get ready to mow. Throw on old clothes and shoes. Get head phones / ear protection (5 min)
2) Get out mower and set up for mulch, throw, or bag depending on lawn conditions. Set proper height. Add gas. Sometimes check oil (5 min)
3) Disconnect all 6 sprinklers and move hoses out of the way (5 min)
4) Tilt up down spouts, remove kid toys, pick up dog crap. Charge up trimmer. (10 min)
5) Mow front left and left side (10 min)
6) Trim mow back (10 min)
7) Mow back (30 min)
8) Mow right side and front right (10 min)
9) Get out blower and house. Clean up mower with blower and washout. Put away (5 min)
10) Get out trimmer, check string, edge driveway, sidewalk, curb 300 ft (10 min)
11) Edge around the house / deck (5 min)
12) Blow off edger and put away. Blow off sidewalk, driveway, and siding. Put away blower (5 min)
13) Hook up sprinklers (5 min)
14) Go inside, take shower (15 min)
This is assuming no additional landscape work and that I'm not bagging the lawn - just over 2 hours start to finish.
The way I see it a ZTR would probably cut 60 min of mowing to 15. Also subtract another 15 minutes depending on the day as may not need to shower. An additional 10 minutes will be saved when I can get rid of the sprinklers.
I suppose when you think of it saving an hour each mow isn't a ton of time but when you have twins every second during the day counts :/
With practice, 10 to 20 % can be cut from each step...But , TKK, you have posted the truth here...we do get too little of this today...
If maintaining a 4.0 acre lawn, the efficiency is much greater...naturally....
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earthworm
Your new house must include a mud room, This is the place for your work uniform.A firemen is allowed about 60 seconds for a complete change....your time may vary.....
Use automatic roll up downspouts or an underground drainage system, which will run water to your reservoir for gardening.
Use Totes rubbers and shut your eyes ...and nose.....and keep on mowing.....keep the rubbers on the mudroom porch
The goat....a capital idea......seriously....but your yard is too small for this...
I think, that a Worx , would be better and quicker...
Make the mud room large enuff for the Worx, the gardening tools, and the mower....a 36" with non-fixed front wheels.
Remember to lant some trees, this is very important...
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earthworm
There's no doubt that the 30 in can get right up in there - probably not much worse than my 22. Only having driven a ZTR once I do not have a feel for what it will miss. Trees appear to be no problem but I have no trees, just a few corners with 3 of them being inside corners that need mowing. I actually plan on making those go away with some rock beds next year. I certainly have a lot to chew on but I believe it is down to the 30 in time master or the timecutter 4260.
As far as the prep time I will see what I can do about that - should be fairly simple, just need to mow in my dress clothes, rip off the down spouts, put away the sprinklers, shoot the dogs, and buy a goat (for trimming). Actually come to think of it I could leave my mower out in the front yard so it is always ready to go. I am still going to clean the damn thing though because like I said it is a POS and clogs up after mowing 3 strips :tongue:
Your new house must include a mud room, This is the place for your work uniform.A firemen is allowed about 60 seconds for a complete change....your time may vary.....
Use automatic roll up downspouts or an underground drainage system, which will run water to your reservoir for gardening.
Use Totes rubbers and shut your eyes ...and nose.....and keep on mowing.....keep the rubbers on the mudroom porch
The goat....a capital idea......seriously....but your yard is too small for this...
I think, that a Worx , would be better and quicker...
Make the mud room large enuff for the Worx, the gardening tools, and the mower....a 36" with non-fixed front wheels.
Remember to lant some trees, this is very important...