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aka rotten

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Ok gents got a problem for you to help me with with my old 285 mod JohnDeere
Quick general history,Tractor looks as new ,always serviced by dealer.Problem started year ago with overheating after 10 min of use.Been back to dealer 4 times with same problem.They did following,2 new thermostates,radiator flushes, 3 times,new hoses,New waterpump,New heat senser,New radiator caps,2 times,New heads 2 times,Finally removed engine replaced gaskets thruout engine.Engine starts up and runs as new for 10 min before overheating still.I never let it boil over been shut down always when indicator starts to get to warm.Dealer has givin up they dont know what else to do,so i,ll give it to the experts.By the way Its John deere 285 as stated,S/N MOO285BO21672.Thanks,Paul


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Grassbandit

Grassbandit

aka rotten said:
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Ok gents got a problem for you to help me with with my old 285 mod JohnDeere
Quick general history,Tractor looks as new ,always serviced by dealer.Problem started year ago with overheating after 10 min of use.Been back to dealer 4 times with same problem.They did following,2 new thermostates,radiator flushes, 3 times,new hoses,New waterpump,New heat senser,New radiator caps,2 times,New heads 2 times,Finally removed engine replaced gaskets thruout engine.Engine starts up and runs as new for 10 min before overheating still.Inever let it boil over been shut down always when indicator statrs to get to warm.Dealer has givin up they dont know what else to do,so i,ll give it to the experts.By the way Its John deere 285 as stated,S/N MOO285BO21672.Thanks,Paul
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Is the fan set up to spin full time on this machine?


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aka rotten

Grassbandit said:
Is the fan set up to spin full time on this machine?
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Thanks for reply, Fan is set up like older cars runs when engine runs, Fan is in great shape also. Thanks, Paul


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logan01

What's the temps during running before indicator illuminates, illuminated but running, after illumination and shutdown? Is there much difference between input/output radiator hose temps? Have you removed the radiator and tested flow through the radiator? Do you have a thermal gun?


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aka rotten

logan01 said:
What's the temps during running before indicator illuminates, illuminated but running, after illumination and shutdown? Is there much difference between input/output radiator hose temps? Have you removed the radiator and tested flow through the radiator? Do you have a thermal gun?
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Does not have temp .readout just light .Paperwork shows where they flushed 3 times and it help pressure overnight,thats all i can tell you about that.Thanks .Also paperwork shows they tried another radiator in it with no change in overheating.Thanks,Paul


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bertsmobile1

There is a massive difference between flushing and cleaning and rodding.
So the cheapest thing is to run some radiator cleaner through the engine according to the instructions.
if that does not work then two options
1) take the radiator out to a radiator shop & get it rodded
2) replace the temperature sender.

Also rip off the water pump and check it out.
You don't need much wear/ corrosion in the impeller to drastically reduce the water flow.

If all that fails then you might have to resort to pulling the welch plugs and cleaning the block.
you can get a staggering amount of sediment building up in the block.

Thermionic cameras ( light meter on steroids ) can be used to shoot the block & find hot spots but it is oft cheaper just to do the clean up


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BillyP

Have you tested, or replaced, the temp gauge?


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aka rotten

aka rotten said:
Does not have temp .readout just light .Paperwork shows where they flushed 3 times and it held pressure overnight,thats all i can tell you about that.Thanks .Also paperwork shows they tried another radiator in it with no change in overheating.Thanks,Paul
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They tried a new radiator in it with same results, Also removed engine and installed new gaskets thru out. So again new gaskets thru out engine,new heat senser.new hoses,New wter pump. old radiator flushed 2 times. fan in as new condition. After 10 min. sencer lights up and radiator will steam if I don't shut it down. Dealer has givin up. Bout flustrated.But keep ideas commin.Paul


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logan01

Have you or others made sure all the air is burped out of the cooling system? Have you observed the coolant with engine running, radiator cap removed to observe circulation when the thermostat opens? Just for grins, elevate the front of the mower using a slope, boards, etc and run engine with cap off. Observe for bubbles. If you have bubbles they will travel upward and out. If this happens, additional coolant will likely be needed to replace the once trapped air. Does you system have an overflow reservoir/expansion tank and it's topped off and functioning correctly? Additionally, Have you tested the system running with no thermostat? Does the oil smell burned? What do the spark plugs look like (too lean)? Did the shop set the timing by the book or just a wag? Did the make sure the coolant jacket on the block is free and clear?


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bertsmobile1

Well there are only a couple of options.
Crack in the block / head
or clogged water jacket.
I use to run hire cars and we had to pull the rear welch plugs on the V 8 rollers every 4-5 years and clean all the built up rust & debris.
This was most annoting asa they all got proper anti freeze / corrosion inhibitor and even an external water filter but they still build up enough crud to overheat the rear pots.
Take it to a cooling specialist so they can do a hydrocarbons test this will either confirm a crack or eliminate it.
Some mechanics have the kit as well but few mower shops as there are SFA water cooled mowers so the ger ( which is not cheap ) is not need.


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redmondjp

Another few items which can cause an engine to overheat that should be checked:

1) Ignition timing off.

2) Lean air/fuel mixture.

3) Sticking brake.


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shiftsuper175607

redmondjp said:
Another few items which can cause an engine to overheat that should be checked:

1) Ignition timing off.

2) Lean air/fuel mixture.

3) Sticking brake.
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How did he know it was overheating?
Was it boiling over? Or did he have a red overheating light?

Maybe it wasn't even overheating... did the dealer say it was?


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reynoldston

reynoldston

Have they ran the engine up to the overheating temp and took a temp reading of the coolant? Then if it is over heating still it sounds to me like it may have a small crack in the block. They can't find it when it cold but when the engine gets up to operating temp the crack opens up. It may even be a internal leak where it can't be seen. I have worked close to 25 years on car and truck engines and it is rare but have come across something like this. It looks like the only thing left is a new engine block.


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logan01

shiftsuper175607 said:
How did he know it was overheating?
Was it boiling over? Or did he have a red overheating light?

Maybe it wasn't even overheating... did the dealer say it was?
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OP stated that after 10 minutes of running the radiator begins to emit steam.

I'd really like to know if any of the suggestions posted here after the mechanic gave up have been performed.


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shiftsuper175607

logan01 said:
OP stated that after 10 minutes of running the radiator begins to emit steam.

I'd really like to know if any of the suggestions posted here after the mechanic gave up have been performed.
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OP says...

Engine starts up and runs as new for 10 min before overheating still.I never let it boil over been shut down always when indicator starts to get to warm.

Is there another post that says....begins to emit steam?


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logan01

shiftsuper175607 said:
OP says...

Engine starts up and runs as new for 10 min before overheating still.I never let it boil over been shut down always when indicator starts to get to warm.

Is there another post that says....begins to emit steam?
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Not the exact words but same meaning. On my computer it's his last post on page 1. "......... After 10 min. sencer lights up and radiator will steam if I don't shut it down."


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shiftsuper175607

logan01 said:
Not the exact words but same meaning. On my computer it's his last post on page 1. "......... After 10 min. sencer lights up and radiator will steam if I don't shut it down."
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I wanted to be sure that it actually was overheating
it seems then that the water pump is not circulating the water.
Hard to believe a repair shop couldn't work this out after several visits.


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reynoldston

reynoldston

I would say run the engine up to operating temp and then give it a pressure test.


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