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Kohler xt675-2047 NO MARK crankshaft

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cyryl

Hi everyone, I have a problem because when I was removing the oil pan, the camshaft in the Kohler xt675-2047 engine from the Viking lawn mower popped out. The worst thing about it all is that there is no mark on the gear that is mounted on the crankshaft (it is fixed in place, it is not removable) :/, there is a mark on the camshaft gear. It looks like in this video
(only it is a slightly larger model but visually everything is the same), in this link there is a service manual https://www.manua.ls/kohler/xt675/manual?p=43 but I only found a sentence that the marks must match, nothing more. Is anyone able to help me how to put it back together now without that mark on the crankshaft?


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VegetiveSteam

This is one engine I never taught so I don't know for sure but can give you a couple of things to look for. Sometimes there is a thrust washer stuck on the crank gear hiding the timing mark. See if maybe that's the case. If not, look at the tooth that is directly in line with the square cut key way groove cut into the pto for a slight bevel on one tooth. On some older Kohler engines the mark was a raised line on the crankshaft itself.


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mechanic mark

Locate your engine manual above & see pages 45 & 46 .


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VegetiveSteam

in this link there is a service manual https://www.manua.ls/kohler/xt675/manual?p=43 but I only found a sentence that the marks must match, nothing more.
Sadly Kohler hasn't published a decent service manual in over 10 years. Since the man who was in charge of Technical Publications retired, their manuals have been little more than telling you to "Diagnose engine. Find issue. Fix issue. Return engine to service".


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StarTech

StarTech

The problem is the soft metal Kohler use for the crank gear. IT is the same here where the shim has completely worn away the timing mark. IT appears to be set with the piston at TDC then align the cam gear timing mark with the crankshaft.

Here is an example of one where the timing mark is just visible.
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VegetiveSteam

If you can’t find any sign of a timing mark you can time it without a mark. It’s a bit of a pain but it can be done.


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cyryl

Okay, thank you very much for the advice. I'm going to the garage to continue fighting. If anything happens, I'll post some pictures. Maybe someone will notice something.


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cyryl

Cant upload here:/



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cyryl

If you can’t find any sign of a timing mark you can time it without a mark. It’s a bit of a pain but it can be done.
How plz tell me :)

EDIT: 09.09.2023 18:00
I have already assembled this unfortunate lawnmower. I set the shaft at the very top, inserted the camshaft so that it would immediately open the intake valve, and watched the valves move relative to the shaft. I am practically certain that I set it up correctly, I screwed everything together, filled in new oil, and turned the shaft a little (with a screwdriver) on the first shot without the spark plug connected. Later, I connected the spark plug and started the lawnmower with a screwdriver without any problems. It ran for a while (about a minute), so I put the top together (plastics and pull-start). To my surprise, it doesn't want to start at all on the pull-start, but when I disassembled the top again and tried with a screwdriver, it worked without any problems. Could it be that I hit a tooth or two?


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VegetiveSteam

How plz tell me :)

EDIT: 09.09.2023 18:00
I have already assembled this unfortunate lawnmower. I set the shaft at the very top, inserted the camshaft so that it would immediately open the intake valve, and watched the valves move relative to the shaft. I am practically certain that I set it up correctly, I screwed everything together, filled in new oil, and turned the shaft a little (with a screwdriver) on the first shot without the spark plug connected. Later, I connected the spark plug and started the lawnmower with a screwdriver without any problems. It ran for a while (about a minute), so I put the top together (plastics and pull-start). To my surprise, it doesn't want to start at all on the pull-start, but when I disassembled the top again and tried with a screwdriver, it worked without any problems. Could it be that I hit a tooth or two?
The only way I know to time a cam to a crank without marks it to do it until I get correct valve overlap.

Check out this video to help understand what valve overlap is. It's of course not your engine but the principle is the same.

Then check and see if you get correct valve overlap when you turn your engine over by hand to top dead center exhaust. You will have valve overlap somewhere during the rotation of the crankshaft but you want it with the piston at TDC between the exhaust stroke and the intake stroke. At that point the engine is just finishing the exhaust stroke and the next stroke is the intake stroke. There is a brief moment between those strokes that both valves should be open just a little bit. If you have the rocker cover off and turn the crankshaft in the proper rotation until the piston is at TDC at the end of the exhaust stroke, then turn the crankshaft back and forth about an inch or two your rocker arms should teeter totter. If you find valve overlap and the piston is not at TDC the cam and crank are not in time.


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cyryl

Alright, but what could be the reason if when turning the shaft with an electric drill, the lawnmower starts (after one rotation), but when trying with a pull cord, it doesn't want to start?


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VegetiveSteam

Alright, but what could be the reason if when turning the shaft with an electric drill, the lawnmower starts (after one rotation), but when trying with a pull cord, it doesn't want to start?
I'd only be guessing but possibly with the drill the engine is turning at a fast enough RPM to disengage the compression release letting it build up compression it may not be able to do with the slower RPM of the pull starter if the cam and crank are out of time. That's just one theory.


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VegetiveSteam

What was the original reason for removing the oil pan?


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cyryl

The lawnmower was burning oil, smoking blue like crazy. The old piston rings had about 2-4 mm of gaps. I'm surprised it started at all! 😄
I'd only be guessing but possibly with the drill the engine is turning at a fast enough RPM to disengage the compression release letting it build up compression it may not be able to do with the slower RPM of the pull starter if the cam and crank are out of time. That's just one theory.
Very possible, thanks to your video, I learned that at the end of the exhaust stroke, two valves are slightly open, and I thought it was a mistake and tried to correct it by moving the camshaft :/. Today, I don't have the energy for it anymore, but tomorrow or on Monday, I'll try to fix it.


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VegetiveSteam

If you look at the picture Star posted and this picture from an XT675, that would possibly put the crank timing mark somewhere in the area of the blue circle. If the red circle is in fact the cam timing mark, it looks like they might line up if the crank were rotated.

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bertsmobile1

And you have posted the wrong links to your photos so I for one could not view any of them.
the site has FILE SIZE limits on images to avoid spending a fortune on disc space
So load your photos onto a computer
Open them in what ever image editing programe you have
Resize then to be 12" along the longest side , set the resolution to 72 dpi and the file type to JPG then save them and rename them some thing like Forum1 , forum 2 etc so you do not get confused between the file for here and the original file
These will upload, up to 10 at a time ( if you use Windows ) or 1 at a time on a mac
Phones default file type is raw and a raw file appear to be around 10 time bigger than it is to web servers if they are not written to accept raw images from a phone .
Tis is exactly why Instagram was originally written because it would resize & upload imaged directly from a phone .
Phones cheat with their pixel coding so that they can write the image file quickly and use a smaller amount of space to store the image .


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VegetiveSteam

Cant upload here:/

I forgot to mention this to you yesterday but I looked at your crankshaft pictures blown up as much as I could and I couldn't find any evidence of a timing mark in any of them.

I have friend at the Central U.S. distributor and this was bugging me enough that I was going to call him and ask him to pull a crankshaft out of stock and send me a pic of the timing mark. Then I checked their inventory they don't have any XT crankshafts in stock and I couldn't find any history where they ever even sold one. That really didn't surprise me as if one of these engines is in bad enough shape to need a crankshaft it's probably not worth the time or money.


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StarTech

StarTech

I have one these sitting in savage pile currently and It is due burning oil. Cylinder is badly tapered and would an OS piston and rings which Kohler does not provide. Form that I gather they are to be used until worn out and just replaced with a new engine.


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StarTech

StarTech

Okay guys Kohler tech support finally got back to me on the timing mark location.

It is the second tooth CCW from the 3 o'clock position.
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Sorry for the late reply but you can blame it on Kohler, Italy.


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