I have a John Deere LX172 that will not tun over. New battery, new starter all safety switches check out. I've got 12.6 volts from the key switch to the solonoid and it still will not turn over. Anybody have any idea on what might be the problem. Oh yeah this is the second new starter same issue with the first new starter. I'm tottally confused.
What do you mean, “will not turn over”? Engine will not spin when you engage the starter or engine spins but engine will not start? If the starter engages the engine, but the flywheel will not turn try this. Remove the spark plugs and try turning the engine over. If the engine spins first thing to check is valve clearance. When you report back, please provide us with a better picture of what you have. Remember we are not standing next to you with a strong drink in our hand to see what your problem is.
I can jump the starter solonoid and it will turn the starter.
#5
StarTech
The question is "Is there 12VDC on the trigger tab when you turn the ignition switch to start position?"? IF not then you work backward through the ignition, brake, and the PTO to find out where 12 is disappearing. While at it check that both 15 amp fuses are intact.
There is two places on the solenoid 12 can be that's why I asked is this at the trigger terminal when the ignition is in the start position. The other larger terminla is the one connected directly to the battery. If the 12 volts is at the trigger terminal with ignition in the start position then the solenoid is bad since you are able jump the two large terminal and get the starter to work.
#9
Scrubcadet10
from what i gather (LX172) tractor uses a piggy back solenoid,
and that Trigger terminal is the blade connector between the 2 big posts.
So, OP, disconnect the trigger wire, stick your + probe into the terminal, and neg probe to good ground. turn the key to start. take note of the voltage displayed while key is in start.
Yessir done that. That's where I have 12.6v when the switch is in the start position. It is a brand new starter and solonoid and this is the second one that's doing the same thing. That's why I'm so confused.
Do you also have 12 V at the heavy battery connection to the bottom of the solenoid .
If that is happening then bridge the 2 heavy terminals on the solenoid
If the starter does not spin , then run a jumper from the battery - post to a good ground point on the engine.
Just to be clear, did you measure the voltage when the trigger wire is connected and you are in the start position as Star suggested(in other words under load)? If you have 12v and the solenoid is not engaging, there are 2 possible scenarios. One, the solenoid is bad(I realize you are on your 2nd one...). Two, the grounding path from the solenoid back to the battery is compromised. Temporarily connect a wire from the stud on solenoid that grounds it, up to the battery negative post directly and try again. Do this test while still measuring the voltage at the trigger terminal on the solenoid. Let us know your results.
You can also test your first solenoid (and this one for that matter) independent of the machine. Connect a wire from the trigger terminal on the solenoid to the + battery terminal and a wire from the grounded mounting stud to the - battery. If good, you'll hear a very distinctive 'click'. Lots of YT vids showing this.
While many electrical issues are the result of bad or failing components like safety, PTO, and ignition switches, many also are the result of grounding problems due to corrosion, vibration, etc.
use jumper cables from frame ground or the engine it self, and positive post on battery an go straight to the terminal on the starter, if it spins it's not the starter, now go to the other side of the cable and do the same thing, know go to the hot side of the cable with the positive , on the solenoid, and do the same thing if it spins the cable is corroded at the terminal or internally.
#14
mitchstein443
your solenoid is bad, OR the thick wire from the battery to solenoid is bad or loose OR the thick battery from the solenoid to the starter is loose or bad.
you already tested for 12v at the tab, now test the post that is connected to the battery, there should be 12v there all the time. If there isn't the battery post, wire or solenoid post is the culprit, loosen, clean and retighten the wire and test again, if it is still bad replace the wire.
Now once you find 12v at the battery to solenoid post, test the other post while the key is in the start position, if there is not 12v at that post replace te solenoid. If there is 12v at that post test for 12v at the starter, if there is not 12v on the starter post while the key is in the start position then the wire or connection to the posts is bad, loosen, clean retighten, test again, if still no 12v at the starter post then replace the wire between the solenoid and the starter.
If there is 12v at the starter post and the starter does not turn or even try to turn, replace the started.
All the solenoid is is a switch, when 12v is applied to the tab it connects the two big posts together, thus connecting the battery to the starter, since you said you can jump the battery to the strter and it spins, chances are a wire is loose, corroded betwen contacts or the solenoid is bad.
Sounds familiar to mine last year and new solenoid was the ticket. Test light showed things were happening but contacts not passing enough current due to corrosion.
Sorry guys I was gone to Washington State visiting my daughter who is a Dr. stationed in the Navy there. Just flew back in last night. It's storming today in Georgia today and will be for the next few days but as soon as it quits I will try the good ideas that you guys have posted for me. I just want to say thank you all for the help. I will let ya'll know how it turns out.
You guys may not believe this because I still don't but here goes. I got back from Washington state and the storms lasted until Wednesday. I waited until Saturday when the weather was good and went out to the JD LX172 hit the key and it spun the starter!!!!! It didn't start right away but I put fresh gas in and cut the fuel solonoid pin off and it fired right up.I still don't understand what made the starter start turning but I'm not complaining. Thanks for all you guys' help'
