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Wondering about the engine mainly. Guessing parts for these old 2 smokers are long gone? No doubt in their day, these were top of the line engines right? What do you guys think?



slomo

Slomo, don’t you know better to provide unit numbers when asking questions?? Suzuki engine, here’s the manual. https://www.toro.com/getpub/6922

Tis true on the machine numbers. Just curious if we have any Suzuki fans on here. Still guessing replacement parts are all gone.

slomo

I've got one. Had it since new, about 1984. It has a huge amount of endplay in the crankshaft and knocks like it's going to fly apart.

slomo said:

Just curious if we have any Suzuki fans on here. Still guessing replacement parts are all gone.

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I worked on Sukuki's for awhile..... back in the early 70's !! They were actually the leader in 2-stroke technology back then.

The saying was... "You meet the nicest people on a Honda, but you get more nookie on a Suzuki !!"

Hope that works out for you.

Most parts for those engine may still be available, as they were great mules. A sugar cube now and then will keep them happy. Still looking for engine numbers?

But sit down before you get the price for carb prices.
The Mikuni's were top shelf carbs in their day and the price reflects the quality.

And like a lot of things,
Honda copied that tag line from BSA who used it to advertise the Bantam range in the 60's by which time the 1948 design had just about reached it's limits

cpurvis said:

I've got one. Had it since new, about 1984. It has a huge amount of endplay in the crankshaft and knocks like it's going to fly apart.

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Run it till it goes!

bertsmobile1 said:

Honda copied that tag line from BSA who used it to advertise the Bantam range in the 60's...

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Did someone say BSA Bantam ??

Born2Mow said:

Did someone say BSA Bantam ??

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That is a nice pair of D1 tank decals
Although they might be a tad on the too brittle side to stretch around the curvature of the fuel tank by now.
I would have though on this forum you would be more familiar with the Harley Pup ( same bike ).
I suppose I will now have to go through the files to find the add .

bertsmobile1 said:

I would have though on this forum you would be more familiar with the Harley Pup ( same bike ).

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No way, man. I always went for the POWER... such as...


The BSA Fire Fly !!

Born2Mow said:

No way, man. I always went for the POWER... such as...

The BSA Fire Fly !!

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Nice clean Beagle there, sold in the USA as a Starlite, probably because you got to see a lot of starlight when pushing it home
and that is a 75cc engine as comparred to the 125cc power unit that belongs to the decals.
A friend of mine is preparring one for a speed record attempt on a salt lake, along with an Ariel 3 as apparently no one had attempted those classes so the records are open for both outright speed & flying 1/4 mile

Born2Mow said:

Did someone say BSA Bantam ??

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nice legs

slomo said:

Wondering about the engine mainly. Guessing parts for these old 2 smokers are long gone? No doubt in their day, these were top of the line engines right? What do you guys think?

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Hey Slomo,
How does yours mow thick, dense grass, compared to a current commercial grade 4 stroke engine, like a Kawi FJ180V or maybe a Honda gcv200?
I've got one Toro 22040, that the previous owner replaced the worn out Zuki 2 stroke to a Kawi FJ180V, and it has plenty of geddi up to get through whatever I put it in! And I recently found another nice Toro 22040, with a nice running Zuki 2 stroker on it. It still mows well, but bogs in the thicker areas of my lawn. And I was really expecting the Zuki TV5002 to outpower the Kawasaki FJ180V, by a long shot!
I'm going to do a compression check, and make sure it's where it needs to be. But it seems to have plenty of compression, and revs pretty high, at full tilt, until I get it in the thick stuff.
I just want yours, and anyone else's opinion that has experience with these beasts...

Thank you in advance!

MY 2 stroke 160cc Victas rip through tall grass far faster than a modern 190cc B & S or Honda on any brand of bowl.
And this applies to the 2 blade rear discharge , 2 blade side discharge and even the 4 blade mulchers although the latter tends to plug up the deck when cutting more then 6".
Bear in mind they are 18" cut & the Hondas are 19 & 21 so perhaps not a totally fair comparison .
The 24" cut still runs rings around any 4 stroke but that mower is belt drive with a 2:1 reduction running at 4000 rpm.
When I get a bit better & catch up on the fine fork there is an 19" Toro with the Suzuki engine I want to run against them.
I am yet to find a 4 stroke that can out cut a 2 stroke

bertsmobile1 said:

MY 2 stroke 160cc Victas rip through tall grass far faster than a modern 190cc B & S or Honda on any brand of bowl.
And this applies to the 2 blade rear discharge , 2 blade side discharge and even the 4 blade mulchers although the latter tends to plug up the deck when cutting more then 6".
Bear in mind they are 18" cut & the Hondas are 19 & 21 so perhaps not a totally fair comparison .
The 24" cut still runs rings around any 4 stroke but that mower is belt drive with a 2:1 reduction running at 4000 rpm.
When I get a bit better & catch up on the fine fork there is an 19" Toro with the Suzuki engine I want to run against them.
I am yet to find a 4 stroke that can out cut a 2 stroke

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That's what I was expecting! So, you can imagine my disappointment when I mowed with my really nice, old garage kept Toro, that I found on fb marketplace, and bought, QUICKLY!!
I'm going to go over it this weekend, and check the compression, the exhaust port, and possibly do a leak down on it. It's missing the primer bulb. So I'm wondering if it's even got the original carb on it. But it cranks on the 1st or 2nd pull every time! So, I guess I'll see....

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That's what I was expecting! So, you can imagine my disappointment when I mowed with my really nice, old garage kept Toro, that I found on fb marketplace, and bought, QUICKLY!!
I'm going to go over it this weekend, and check the compression, the exhaust port, and possibly do a leak down on it. It's missing the primer bulb. So I'm wondering if it's even got the original carb on it. But it cranks on the 1st or 2nd pull every time! So, I guess I'll see....

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I don't know the torque on the Susi's but I would guess at the Briggs Professional 8.75TQ and the Kawasaki FJ180V would eat the Suzuki for lunch. The FJ180V and I must add to the list, Honda GCV200 are stout engines. Course the Kawi with the full pressure lube and grass slaying torque is the king. Would love to see a Kawi in 200cc's like the Honda. What i really want is that Briggs 223cc 10ftlb of torque monster on my Snapper Hi-Vac deck. Insert your Tim the Tool Man grunt here...... If one of my engines ever dies it's getting that 10ftlb monster.

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