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#1

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TheDuncan

I just moved into a new home. Since I rented before I face now the great challenges of homeownership.
I did cut grass since I am eleven, either for my parents or later during highschool/college for money. I actually had a mowing job which included a 15 acres lawn - so I know how to do the job.

Now beside a borrowed and broken Toro 22" I have no powertools at all and are looking into a complete set. I think I have St Aug. in the front and back yard.
Though the back is pretty much brown and thin it is still there and I hope it will come back in fall. I think the pre-owner stopped watering after they sold the house.
The front yard is divided by the driveway with only one big bush as an obstacle. The backyard has a weird shape with 3 trees, the patio and playscape in it.

I have about 2000 USD budget and I need :
- a lawn mower
- trimmer
- edger
- branch cutter (maybe a saw blade on the trimmer?)
- brush cutter

I eye-balled those riding mowers, but I think it is overkill for my <0,5 acre lot. And it would left me with almost no money for the rest of the tools. (but please convince me, guys like loud things on four wheels;-)

I really liked the Husqvarna products. I have worked with them in the past and, I am from Europe, have no experience with the US brands.
With that I was thinking of a HU800AWD mower, a 128L trimmer with all the needed attachment.

What you think? I am open for any suggestions. Is that a good starter set?
That borrowed 22" Toro was definitely too weak for the thick gras in the front - I need something more powerful.


#2

Kodie's Lawn Service

Kodie's Lawn Service

I would get a exmark or toro commercial 21 that will last you forever
A Echo Pas 266 with the trimmer an edger attachment, an then a brush cutter should come in right near budget :thumbsup:


#3

exotion

exotion

I would get a exmark or toro commercial 21 that will last you forever
A Echo Pas 266 with the trimmer an edger attachment, an then a brush cutter should come in right near budget :thumbsup:

For .5 acre? Honda hrx and echo pas with attachments and a couple bucks left over for something fun


#4

Ric

Ric

I just moved into a new home. Since I rented before I face now the great challenges of homeownership.
I did cut grass since I am eleven, either for my parents or later during highschool/college for money. I actually had a mowing job which included a 15 acres lawn - so I know how to do the job.

Now beside a borrowed and broken Toro 22" I have no powertools at all and are looking into a complete set. I think I have St Aug. in the front and back yard.
Though the back is pretty much brown and thin it is still there and I hope it will come back in fall. I think the pre-owner stopped watering after they sold the house.
The front yard is divided by the driveway with only one big bush as an obstacle. The backyard has a weird shape with 3 trees, the patio and playscape in it.

I have about 2000 USD budget and I need :
- a lawn mower
- trimmer
- edger
- branch cutter (maybe a saw blade on the trimmer?)
- brush cutter

I eye-balled those riding mowers, but I think it is overkill for my <0,5 acre lot. And it would left me with almost no money for the rest of the tools. (but please convince me, guys like loud things on four wheels;-)

I really liked the Husqvarna products. I have worked with them in the past and, I am from Europe, have no experience with the US brands.
With that I was thinking of a HU800AWD mower, a 128L trimmer with all the needed attachment.

What you think? I am open for any suggestions. Is that a good starter set?
That borrowed 22" Toro was definitely too weak for the thick gras in the front - I need something more powerful.


For 0.5 acres you don't need to spend a ton of money on a commercial mower or a high end residential for that fact. Something like a Toro 20332 for 359.00 or if you want Bladre stop the Toro 20333 for 399.00 and if you don't like the recoil the Toro 20334 with the electric start for the same 399.00. You said really liked the Husqvarna products. The Husqvarna AWD and the 128L trimmer you mentioned would be all you would need and add one of there edgers and a pole saw and you would well within your $2000 budget. The only thing I see wrong with what you are trying to do is it sounds like your maybe buying your equipment from Lowes or a big box store, not that there's anything wrong with the Big Box stores but you may want to check with your local dealers and see what they have to offer for mowers and information and there service departments about your needs before you decide to purchase anything.


#5

lawn mower fanatic

lawn mower fanatic

For .5 acre? Honda hrx and echo pas with attachments and a couple bucks left over for something fun

I totally agree! :thumbsup:


#6

A

afoulk

For .5 acre? Honda hrx and echo pas with attachments and a couple bucks left over for something fun

That plan would definitely leave you plenty of money left over for the cold beer after the job is done;-)


#7

T

TheDuncan

That plan would definitely leave you plenty of money left over for the cold beer after the job is done;-)



I like the part with the cold beer.


Thank you all for the advise.


#8

Ric

Ric

For .5 acre? Honda hrx and echo pas with attachments and a couple bucks left over for something fun

I totally agree! :thumbsup:


I totally disagree. The HRX is between $599 and $699 and that's to much money to spend for .5 acres. The Pas systems you guys like to push, unless you buy the 28.1cc power head at $359.00 you might as well be doing it in the wind (to be polite ) and to match it up with there good trimmer head your total price is $459.00plus tax for one piece of equipment. You can buy the SRM 225 trimmer for $219 and the PE 225 edger for $229 and only spend $448 and have something that actually be sufficient for a homeowner to use.


#9

lawn mower fanatic

lawn mower fanatic

I totally disagree. The HRX is between $599 and $699 and that's to much money to spend for .5 acres. The Pas systems you guys like to push, unless you buy the 28.1cc power head at $359.00 you might as well be doing it in the wind (to be polite ) and to match it up with there good trimmer head your total price is $459.00plus tax for one piece of equipment. You can buy the SRM 225 trimmer for $219 and the PE 225 edger for $229 and only spend $448 and have something that actually be sufficient for a homeowner to use.

0.5 acres is a decent amount of land to mow with a push mower. Most of the yards in our neighborhood are 0.25 acres and more people have HRX's than any other mower. If you are doing 0.5 acres every 5 days, that is a lot of use on a mower of lesser quality than the Honda!


#10

T

TheDuncan

0.5 acres is a decent amount of land to mow with a push mower. Most of the yards in our neighborhood are 0.25 acres and more people have HRX's than any other mower. If you are doing 0.5 acres every 5 days, that is a lot of use on a mower of lesser quality than the Honda!



I spent the last 4 hours searching the web and read posts. Even though here in Texas the grass does not grow like in the North-west, I still want to have a reliable machine.
I decided to get a HRX217HYA and dropped the idea of the HU800AWD. Mainly because I don't need AWD (total flat land) and the higher quality of the Honda.

As for the trimmer I was disappointing and confused by Husqvarna. The only multi-tools are the homeowner grade 12x series. Everything above will not take attachments.
The 128Ld looked good, but only takes low cost attachments (Lowes). The 128LDx take the pro series, but no blower available and very expensive.

So I settled for a home-owner grade Stihl FS 56 RCE witht the according attachments. If there is money left I might step up to a FS90, but I will see.


#11

Boudreaux

Boudreaux

I spent the last 4 hours searching the web and read posts. Even though here in Texas the grass does not grow like in the North-west, I still want to have a reliable machine.
I decided to get a HRX217HYA and dropped the idea of the HU800AWD. Mainly because I don't need AWD (total flat land) and the higher quality of the Honda.

As for the trimmer I was disappointing and confused by Husqvarna. The only multi-tools are the homeowner grade 12x series. Everything above will not take attachments.
The 128Ld looked good, but only takes low cost attachments (Lowes). The 128LDx take the pro series, but no blower available and very expensive.

So I settled for a home-owner grade Stihl FS 56 RCE witht the according attachments. If there is money left I might step up to a FS90, but I will see.

I feel sure you will get good performance from the Stihl FS65. I have a Stihl FS55 ('98) with many countless hours of service. It's still going strong.




:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


#12

T

Tombstonebilly

Go to a local pawn shop or flea market and buy a bunch of stuff for $2000.00 :2cents:So it aint new as long as it works.:wink:


#13

CauZey

CauZey

If I was a home owner like you with a half acre yard I would go to sears and buy everything I needed rite there except maybe a blower. Bg 55 stihl is a pretty solid unit for a home owner and is 150$ . I'd buy a craftsman rear engine rider and craftman power head with trimmer and edger attachment . Not sure what you're wanting for a brush cutter but I'm sure they have bladed head attachments. That's less than 1500$ prob and they offer financing


#14

CauZey

CauZey

They even offer a pole saw power head


#15

T

TheDuncan

Go to a local pawn shop or flea market and buy a bunch of stuff for $2000.00 :2cents:So it aint new as long as it works.:wink:

One of the best advises I ever got in forum.

The 2000 USD were my max and I'd be happy to stay under. If you take the majority of the opinions here regarding mower and trimmer, you will very easy reach those numbers.
I don't want to buy some low end crap and replace that in 3 years. I also try not buy equipment I don't need - therefore I went away from the riding mower idea or some commercial stuff.


#16

exotion

exotion

Don't buy craftsman if you have a 2k budget get some quality stuff I stand by my original recomendation.

Ric seems to believe that the echo power heads are underpowered. But he doesn't have one so whatever... I think even the lowest powered echo head will suffice for a homeowner.

I mow all day with a honda hrr with smart drive its the little brother of the hrx and I like it.
I have echo 225 equipment and never had a problem with power. So yah buy hrx, echo pas, and beer. Or some other fun tool that's serves no purpose except to allow you to be lazy :)


#17

Ric

Ric

0.5 acres is a decent amount of land to mow with a push mower. Most of the yards in our neighborhood are 0.25 acres and more people have HRX's than any other mower. If you are doing 0.5 acres every 5 days, that is a lot of use on a mower of lesser quality than the Honda!

Most of the yards in your neighborhood are 0.25 acres, I guess then all you need is a Honda when you consider your only mowing 5000 sq.ft. per yard.


#18

Ric

Ric

Don't buy craftsman if you have a 2k budget get some quality stuff I stand by my original recomendation.

Ric seems to believe that the echo power heads are underpowered. But he doesn't have one so whatever... I think even the lowest powered echo head will suffice for a homeowner.

I mow all day with a honda hrr with smart drive its the little brother of the hrx and I like it.
I have echo 225 equipment and never had a problem with power. So yah buy hrx, echo pas, and beer. Or some other fun tool that's serves no purpose except to allow you to be lazy :)


I don't believe there under powered I know there under powered. Echo's Pas system power heads run from 21.2 cc engines to the largest being 28.1 cc. The smallest Stihl you can buy is the 90 and it's a 28.4 cc and there 130 is 36.3cc so tell me the Echo"s not under powered in comparison. I can also tell you from experience. the Echo 28.1cc engine sucks and don't say he doesn't have one so whatever...I know because I do have one so smiley-level1_don019.gif


#19

exotion

exotion

I don't believe there under powered I know there under powered. Echo's Pas system power heads run from 21.2 cc engines to the largest being 28.1 cc. The smallest Stihl you can buy is the 90 and it's a 28.4 cc and there 130 is 36.3cc so tell me the Echo"s not under powered in comparison. I can also tell you from experience. the Echo 28.1cc engine sucks and don't say he doesn't have one so whatever...I know because I do have one so <img src="http://www.lawnmowerforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16468"/>

I still think it is not under powered... it may not have as much power as the stihl but if you don't need the power... walla

P.s sorry was un aware you had one.


#20

lawn mower fanatic

lawn mower fanatic

I still think it is not under powered... it may not have as much power as the stihl but if you don't need the power... walla

P.s sorry was un aware you had one.

I agree they have plenty of power for what you need!


#21

CauZey

CauZey

I run an echo 210 and 225 daily both are great. I like the feel and way they work better than stihl they may not have or offer as much power but unless I'm cutting trees down with them I don't see why that matters. Taking care of residential yards echo is where it's at


#22

Carscw

Carscw

This is a never ending war that will never have a winner.

All the op is doing is his own little yard. Get a ryobi and be done with it. With the money you will save you can get a snapper mower.

(( cowboy up and get over it ))


#23

exotion

exotion

This is a never ending war that will never have a winner.

All the op is doing is his own little yard. Get a ryobi and be done with it. With the money you will save you can get a snapper mower.

(( cowboy up and get over it ))

Lol

Ric always insists on the highest end stuff
Carscw insists on ryobi and snapper
Me and lmf will sell everyone hondas and echo :)


#24

Bomba

Bomba

Whatever you buy, make one of them pro grade. Then in three years do the same thing. Eventually u will have a lifetime's worth of equipment. Regarding the cheap stuff; it worked for me when I could not afford Anything better. But trying to START the cheap power equipment!! On my God!!! Never again! I have Exmark and Stihl now and life is extremely comfortable.


#25

exotion

exotion

Whatever you buy, make one of them pro grade. Then in three years do the same thing. Eventually u will have a lifetime's worth of equipment. Regarding the cheap stuff; it worked for me when I could not afford Anything better. But trying to START the cheap power equipment!! On my God!!! Never again! I have Exmark and Stihl now and life is extremely comfortable.

He has 2k to spend he doesn't need to buy anything low end.

Craftsman is low end
Mtd (home light, murray, troy bilt, much more) is low end
Ryobi is low end (sorry carscw it is considered low end even if you have good luck)
John deere is low end

Some toro is low end
Some toro is middle grade

Honda is middle grade
Echo is middle grade
Shindawna (spelling) is middle grade
Husqvarna (spelling) is middle grade

some stihl is middle grade
Some stihl is high end

Commercial grade equipment is high end.

Pretty simply put many many more brands are catagorized as mtd. And for 2000 he can afford a nice set of equipment this is why I recommend a honda he will get years of use if he maintains properly they are easy to use and for .5 acre more than enough mower. He could get a echo pas of any power head will do good for his garage space one machine to maintain and use. The attachments he could get all now or one at a time over time as he needs them. These two machines coupled with a hand held blower and he will be in good shape. He really doesn't need anything more high end than that unless he's going to be putting tons of hours on them or beating the hell out of them. He doesn't need cheap crap he needs to replace over time because his starting budget is more than enough for good stuff. He says he went with a hrx and a stihl multi tool he's in good shape.


#26

Carscw

Carscw

He has 2k to spend he doesn't need to buy anything low end.

Craftsman is low end
Mtd (home light, murray, troy bilt, much more) is low end
Ryobi is low end (sorry carscw it is considered low end even if you have good luck)
John deere is low end

Some toro is low end
Some toro is middle grade

Honda is middle grade
Echo is middle grade
Shindawna (spelling) is middle grade
Husqvarna (spelling) is middle grade

some stihl is middle grade
Some stihl is high end

Commercial grade equipment is high end.

Pretty simply put many many more brands are catagorized as mtd. And for 2000 he can afford a nice set of equipment this is why I recommend a honda he will get years of use if he maintains properly they are easy to use and for .5 acre more than enough mower. He could get a echo pas of any power head will do good for his garage space one machine to maintain and use. The attachments he could get all now or one at a time over time as he needs them. These two machines coupled with a hand held blower and he will be in good shape. He really doesn't need anything more high end than that unless he's going to be putting tons of hours on them or beating the hell out of them. He doesn't need cheap crap he needs to replace over time because his starting budget is more than enough for good stuff. He says he went with a hrx and a stihl multi tool he's in good shape.

You have put way to much thinking into this.

But I feel it's a good list.

Yes ryobi is low end no need to say sorry.

(( cowboy up and get over it ))


#27

CauZey

CauZey

I wouldn't push a .5 acre lot


#28

exotion

exotion

I wouldn't push a .5 acre lot

.... really? Its really not that big I do .5 acres all day long in ideal conditions I could weed eat mow edge and blow in half an hr :/ I wouldn't ride a .5 acre lot I only ride 1.5 acre lots and that's because it would be silly not to I mean I have a crappy murray rider it fits on my trailer I have 4 accounts with big enough yard to use it on and they are big square and flat.

Besides its self propelled its not really hard just cardio. And having a 21 lines looks better than bigger lines most of the time. I know my 21 looks better than my 40


#29

lawn mower fanatic

lawn mower fanatic

.... really? Its really not that big I do .5 acres all day long in ideal conditions I could weed eat mow edge and blow in half an hr :/ I wouldn't ride a .5 acre lot I only ride 1.5 acre lots and that's because it would be silly not to I mean I have a crappy murray rider it fits on my trailer I have 4 accounts with big enough yard to use it on and they are big square and flat.

Besides its self propelled its not really hard just cardio. And having a 21 lines looks better than bigger lines most of the time. I know my 21 looks better than my 40

I mow a 0.41 acre lot on a regular basis and a 0.43 and also 0.50 acre lots once and awhile.


#30

Ric

Ric

Lol

Ric always insists on the highest end stuff
Carscw insists on ryobi and snapper
Me and lmf will sell everyone hondas and echo :)


I don't always insist on High end equipment, but Yeah I insist on high end equipment that gets used on a daily basis because when your actually doing lawn care you need to have equipment that works and be able to do any job that a client wants done. You say I only ride 1.5 acre lots and that's because it would be silly not to I mean I have a crappy Murray rider and you think your making money when in reality it's costing you money? You and LMF want everyone to by Honda and Echo because you don't know any better.


#31

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afoulk

I don't always insist on High end equipment

Ha! That reminds me of those beer commercials with the worlds most exciting man, or what ever they call him. " I don't always insist on high end equipment, but when I do...":laughing: sorry guys, I got called out on a road call last night and i'm going on 3hrs sleep:confused2:


#32

lawn mower fanatic

lawn mower fanatic

I don't always insist on High end equipment, but Yeah I insist on high end equipment that gets used on a daily basis because when your actually doing lawn care you need to have equipment that works and be able to do any job that a client wants done. You say I only ride 1.5 acre lots and that's because it would be silly not to I mean I have a crappy Murray rider and you think your making money when in reality it's costing you money? You and LMF want everyone to by Honda and Echo because you don't know any better.

I only recommend it when it's right for them.


#33

Carscw

Carscw

Can you really say one brand is the best or better than the others if you have not used them all?

I have used many brands over the past 30 or so years. Do I use what I think is the best brand? No I use what I have found fits my needs for me and my helpers.

For a homeowner with half a acre there is no need for a $400 trimmer but he does not need to get a $60 trimmer.

(( cowboy up and get over it ))


#34

Carscw

Carscw

What would be nice is if some of shop owners and or small engine techs would talk about what trimmers come into there shops and what is the good and bad things with them.

(( cowboy up and get over it ))


#35

Ric

Ric

I only recommend it when it's right for them.

Can you really say one brand is the best or better than the others if you have not used them all?

I have used many brands over the past 30 or so years. Do I use what I think is the best brand? No I use what I have found fits my needs for me and my helpers.

For a homeowner with half a acre there is no need for a $400 trimmer but he does not need to get a $60 trimmer.

(( cowboy up and get over it ))


That's my point Carscw, how can you recommend or say one brand is the best or better than the others if you have not used them all. How can you make a recommendation to buy Honda and say it will last for years, how do they know how long they are going to last when they themselves are still are not old enough or just old enough to have a drivers license. :rolleyes:


#36

lawn mower fanatic

lawn mower fanatic

That's my point Carscw, how can you recommend or say one brand is the best or better than the others if you have not used them all. How can you make a recommendation to buy Honda and say it will last for years, how do they know how long they are going to last when they themselves are still are not old enough or just old enough to have a drivers license. :rolleyes:

You have not had the TurfMaster for long, either. And also you keep bashing Honda but you have only had a lower-end Honda mower. Trust me....the HRX is way better than the HRR!


#37

Ric

Ric

You have not had the TurfMaster for long, either. And also you keep bashing Honda but you have only had a lower-end Honda mower. Trust me....the HRX is way better than the HRR!

It doesn't matter what model it is, I've run there Honda 160 cc and there 190cc engines. I was running Honda mowers before you were born. Besides how would you know what Honda's I've owned or for that fact what models and how many different mowers I've owned and or run in the last 43 years. Let me ask how many mower have you run in the last 43 years??


#38

Carscw

Carscw

So who watches football?

(( cowboy up and get over it ))


#39

A

afoulk

So who watches football?

(( cowboy up and get over it ))

Yeah, so, how bout dem cowboys?:wink:


#40

exotion

exotion

That's my point Carscw, how can you recommend or say one brand is the best or better than the others if you have not used them all. How can you make a recommendation to buy Honda and say it will last for years, how do they know how long they are going to last when they themselves are still are not old enough or just old enough to have a drivers license. :rolleyes:

You are right ric I have only used a handful of craftsman a few low end toros lots of high end toros a scag 36 a exmark 64 a toro 64.

I can say however how long a residential use of a honda till last because the amount of hours and use I put on my honda is the equivalent to years of use by a home owner. I put 30 hrs a week on my hrr he might do 30 hours a year that's why I am so confident. Do I believe honda is the best? Absolutely not I prefer toro proline but they cost 1200+ but a honda with light use will last a homeowner a long time with proper care. Hell a craftsman will work wonders for a homeowner with proper care.

I feel bad to recommend anything commercial to a homeowner because they are going to spend way to much money on something that is really unnecessary for their usage . I like to recomend mid grade equipment for the ease of use the longetivity vs a low end. And ease of repairs and cost of repairs.


#41

Carscw

Carscw

Yeah, so, how bout dem cowboys?:wink:

I think they should show the cheerleaders and flash Back to the game every few mins.

(( cowboy up and get over it ))


#42

lawn mower fanatic

lawn mower fanatic

It doesn't matter what model it is, I've run there Honda 160 cc and there 190cc engines. I was running Honda mowers before you were born. Besides how would you know what Honda's I've owned or for that fact what models and how many different mowers I've owned and or run in the last 43 years. Let me ask how many mower have you run in the last 43 years??

Yes I know you have run more mowers than me. But I have run lots of mowers, from Craftsman to Exmark.


#43

T

Tom59

I've run a few Honda's mine ran 10.7 1/4's all day long back in 84'. Never seen no Toro run 10second 1/4 miles......:laughing:


#44

Ric

Ric

So who watches football?

(( cowboy up and get over it ))

Watch football, what a joke. Live in Florida there all blacked out, the Buc's are so bad they can't give tickets away.:ashamed:


#45

Carscw

Carscw

I've run a few Honda's mine ran 10.7 1/4's all day long back in 84'. Never seen no Toro run 10second 1/4 miles......:laughing:

I have a Chevy that runs 10 second 1/4 but in a circle side ways half the time.


If your going to compare mowers or trimmers in think the ones you compare should be in the same price range.

I have a toro that is rated to cut 7 plus acres a hour. 21 years ago it went for over 50 grand I can not compare it to my cub cadet.

My ryobi cost $100 and I think it's the best in this price range.

My cub was $1500 I think it is the best in this price range and would not be fair to compare with a grandstand

Now a snapper and Honda in the same price range I will go with the snapper. Can't say what one will last longer because I have not had a Honda for as long as I have has a snapper.
I feel the snapper gives a better cut

(( cowboy up and get over it ))


#46

P

PIMking

I just moved into a new home. Since I rented before I face now the great challenges of homeownership.
I did cut grass since I am eleven, either for my parents or later during highschool/college for money. I actually had a mowing job which included a 15 acres lawn - so I know how to do the job.

Now beside a borrowed and broken Toro 22" I have no powertools at all and are looking into a complete set. I think I have St Aug. in the front and back yard.
Though the back is pretty much brown and thin it is still there and I hope it will come back in fall. I think the pre-owner stopped watering after they sold the house.
The front yard is divided by the driveway with only one big bush as an obstacle. The backyard has a weird shape with 3 trees, the patio and playscape in it.

I have about 2000 USD budget and I need :
- a lawn mower
- trimmer
- edger
- branch cutter (maybe a saw blade on the trimmer?)
- brush cutter

I eye-balled those riding mowers, but I think it is overkill for my <0,5 acre lot. And it would left me with almost no money for the rest of the tools. (but please convince me, guys like loud things on four wheels;-)

I really liked the Husqvarna products. I have worked with them in the past and, I am from Europe, have no experience with the US brands.
With that I was thinking of a HU800AWD mower, a 128L trimmer with all the needed attachment.

What you think? I am open for any suggestions. Is that a good starter set?
That borrowed 22" Toro was definitely too weak for the thick gras in the front - I need something more powerful.

Where abouts in Europe are you from?

I knew you were European with the ,5 acre


#47

T

TheDuncan

Where abouts in Europe are you from?

I knew you were European with the ,5 acre



I am from Germany, but live in the states for 8 years.

To close that thread, I did buy a Stihl KM 110 with trimmer, edger and blower. Worked with it for almost an week and I enjoy it.
The engine has enough power to blow my furniture from the patio. Some will say it is overkill, but I don't care. I have a system which won't break in 2 years (of course with proper maintenance )
and I have enough hp to add the saw attachment later.
I worked with Stihl during my summer jobs in my college time, so I knew that is good material.

(and I can start my charcoal grill in 2 sec now;-))

Thanks for the help to decide. Great forum.

(haven't decided on the mower yet, because I was able to fix the one I borrowed. I might go for a Honda RR or RX later).


#48

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tjkj

Hi, I brought a John Deere 310 cost $2000, I would not do this again.. A piece of junk or any John Deere mower, carburetor went bad and cost me $400 2 months out of warranty. I should have stuck with Cub Cadet I would looked for a used Cub 1812. I have one and I mow 1/2 acre heavy tough grass. It has hydraulics for hooking a lift bucket to it, which I did and it is wonderful. I don't like the new mowers. I paid $500 for it and it was worth every bit. Has a 44 inch deck starts every time and looks nice. the 1810 and 1811 do not have hydraulics on them. I have a sthil FS 55 weed wackier that has a edger that came with it no problems with it, it is a straight shaft not curved you can add a brush cutter to it which I did works great I also have a sthil chain saw which I have cut fire wood with it for 12 years that was my main home heat. I have a Honda FG 110 Honda mini tiller all these have worked for me with No break downs. I maintain my equipment very good. I use sthil 2 cycle oil in everything
2 cycle. Watch for water in gas. I hope this helps, I know u will get a lot of in put. I have had my tools for 10 to 20 years. TJKJ


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