Guess what - need help deciding on zero turn

[serelaw]

I see Ric is still blowing hot air. Larger hydros? The only positive is Transport mode?
Again he is clueless. Ric can not punctuate or spell. Ric is a mod here.
The only thing he mods is common sense and reason. Unbelievable. IMHO

 

[Shughes717]

Your spouting things that you don't know, you say You have no experience with ferris or snapper pro, how do you know I have know experience with them, YOU DON'T so don't spout facts you don't know. Talk about basing your opinion on emotion instead of facts. Larger hydros? the only thing larger hydro's get you is speed that can't be used when your mowing, those speed are for transport mode not mowing. I have proven that the Toro is a better built machine you just refuse to see it. Ya know I didn't respond to your post I just basically agree with Dave1954 about checking out some other mowers so this conversation with you is over.

How have you proven toro is built better? I just gave proof why they are no better. You claim toro is heavier made, but even the s125xt which has the same hydros and same size engine as the z master 2000 weighs more than the toro. So how is it better built and lighter? They aren't made of titanium. I know you have no experience with ferris or snapper pro for two reasons. First, you have had plenty of opportunity to explain which ones you have owned or used and you have never done so. Secondly, your hatred for b&s runs so deep that you would never use one because they are owned by b&s. So now this conversation is over.

 

[Dave1954]

I researched many brands and found many that were built well and would do the job, after all these are lawn mowers :laughing: not nascar racers, what I found with the Husqvarna MZT 52 over the comparable priced scag,exmark,hustler and toro was it had better components, it has cast iron spindles where all the others had aluminum, it had a FS motor where the others had the FR it had 34 trannies where some of the others had 28 or 31's and I found a dealer willing to give me a great deal. I doubt any of these in the same price range would not do what the OP wants, he just needs to get out and check them out and see what he likes best and is the best deal.

 

[Ric]

How have you proven toro is built better? I just gave proof why they are no better. You claim toro is heavier made, but even the s125xt which has the same hydros and same size engine as the z master 2000 weighs more than the toro. So how is it better built and lighter? They aren't made of titanium. I know you have no experience with ferris or snapper pro for two reasons. First, you have had plenty of opportunity to explain which ones you have owned or used and you have never done so. Secondly, your hatred for b&s runs so deep that you would never use one because they are owned by b&s. So now this conversation is over.

LOL hey your stealin my lines again. Do we really have to do this again and frustrate people, they got bored last time :smile: and I see are friendly neighborhood Troll is back trying to I think we need another subject to argue about.:biggrin: Now this conversation is over :thumbsup:

 

[Shughes717]

I researched many brands and found many that were built well and would do the job, after all these are lawn mowers :laughing: not nascar racers, what I found with the Husqvarna MZT 52 over the comparable priced scag,exmark,hustler and toro was it had better components, it has cast iron spindles where all the others had aluminum, it had a FS motor where the others had the FR it had 34 trannies where some of the others had 28 or 31's and I found a dealer willing to give me a great deal. I doubt any of these in the same price range would not do what the OP wants, he just needs to get out and check them out and see what he likes best and is the best deal.

Totally agree

 

[Emptyjones]

Me thinks I was hi-jacked!

What i have found to be true - the machines I am looking at are very similar in spec and build quality. All have pretty much the same warranty. Some have a chi-chi the other one doesn't and vice-versa. The thing I liked most about the Sanpper Pro was certainly the price, the deck, the quality of the welds and the way it was set up - meaning dealer prep before putting it on the floor. I absolutley did not like the Hustler Raptor SD and either of the "prosumer" Bobcats for that very reason. To me the time a dealer puts into setting the machine up says alot about the quality of service after the sale: lazy = IDGAS, just give me your money. It may not speak to the actually quality of the machine but it def speaks to the quality of MY TIME on the machine. Of the delaers I have spoken with the Ferris and Snapper were the absolute best of the bunch. Their shops were very clean and tidy as well as their mechanics and both took great pains to show me what they had to offer and neither tried to oversell me. I respect that they respect what I have asked for.

Kawaski vs B&S: isnt this the time proven debate of Chevy vs Ford (at least in the commmercial/prosumer versions)? The fact that someone HATES a brand makes me ill. That is absoultely rediculous. How has B&S satyed in business so long not to mention acquired all these other brands over the years? It certainly isn't because they build 100% junk. Everybody gets a mouthful of lemon juice every now and again. I like the Kawi because the rest of the herd likes 'em - but are they actually WORTH the extra money - has anybody had a bad experience with the newer B&S "turf" series?????

The SCAG, Exmark and TORO do not offer a similar price point machine (Snapper Pro dealer reps TORO as well), at least not that I could find.

The only warranty that I have seen that beats any of the contenders is the Big Dog but I have not checked them out yet. From what I have gathered they are little bit pricier than what I'm looking at.

 

[serelaw]

LOL hey your stealin my lines again. Do we really have to do this again and frustrate people, they got bored last time :smile: and I see are friendly neighborhood Troll View attachment 23887 is back trying to View attachment 23886 I think we need another subject to argue about.:biggrin: Now this conversation is over :thumbsup:

LOL. You call me troll because I disagree with you.
Because I know you're full of it.
You used the wrong verb again. (Are)
Hughes does not steal lines. I can tell he has original thoughts, not ones he has read from other forums.
You are speaking for the forum members again.
Pretending to know what we think.
And since when do you close conversations?
If you talk out of your mouth you have more credibility.

 

[Shughes717]

Me thinks I was hi-jacked!

What i have found to be true - the machines I am looking at are very similar in spec and build quality. All have pretty much the same warranty. Some have a chi-chi the other one doesn't and vice-versa. The thing I liked most about the Sanpper Pro was certainly the price, the deck, the quality of the welds and the way it was set up - meaning dealer prep before putting it on the floor. I absolutley did not like the Hustler Raptor SD and either of the "prosumer" Bobcats for that very reason. To me the time a dealer puts into setting the machine up says alot about the quality of service after the sale: lazy = IDGAS, just give me your money. It may not speak to the actually quality of the machine but it def speaks to the quality of MY TIME on the machine. Of the delaers I have spoken with the Ferris and Snapper were the absolute best of the bunch. Their shops were very clean and tidy as well as their mechanics and both took great pains to show me what they had to offer and neither tried to oversell me. I respect that they respect what I have asked for.

Kawaski vs B&S: isnt this the time proven debate of Chevy vs Ford (at least in the commmercial/prosumer versions)? The fact that someone HATES a brand makes me ill. That is absoultely rediculous. How has B&S satyed in business so long not to mention acquired all these other brands over the years? It certainly isn't because they build 100% junk. Everybody gets a mouthful of lemon juice every now and again. I like the Kawi because the rest of the herd likes 'em - but are they actually WORTH the extra money - has anybody had a bad experience with the newer B&S "turf" series?????

The SCAG, Exmark and TORO do not offer a similar price point machine (Snapper Pro dealer reps TORO as well), at least not that I could find.

The only warranty that I have seen that beats any of the contenders is the Big Dog but I have not checked them out yet. From what I have gathered they are little bit pricier than what I'm looking at.

My apologies for the hijacking lol. Sometimes we get into debates on threads and forget that we are here to help people looking to get information on these mowers. Ric and I go back and forth pretty frequently, but we both enjoy the debate. I think that's why it happens so frequently. Diamatron purchased an s200xt with the commercial turf engine a few months back. He seems to like it a lot. You may want to send him a message and get his review. Maybe you can even get him to post his review on this thread. I believe mad Mackie has a commercial turf engine on a scag mower as well. He has a great deal of knowledge about the engine.

 

[Shughes717]

LOL. You call me troll because I disagree with you.
Because I know you're full of it.
You used the wrong verb again. (Are)
Hughes does not steal lines. I can tell he has original thoughts, not ones he has read from other forums.
You are speaking for the forum members again.
Pretending to know what we think.
And since when do you close conversations?
If you talk out of your mouth you have more credibility.

Thanks, I appreciate that you are objective when reading these posts. I try to post about products I have experience with and not bash the ones I don't. I do believe Ric is knowledgable, just a little blinded by b&s hate.:laughing:

 

[Emptyjones]

My apologies for the hijacking lol. Sometimes we get into debates on threads and forget that we are here to help people looking to get information on these mowers. Ric and I go back and forth pretty frequently, but we both enjoy the debate. I think that's why it happens so frequently. Diamatron purchased an s200xt with the commercial turf engine a few months back. He seems to like it a lot. You may want to send him a message and get his review. Maybe you can even get him to post his review on this thread. I believe mad Mackie has a commercial turf engine on a scag mower as well. He has a great deal of knowledge about the engine.

I guess as long as there aren't pow pows involved all is well. Don't let me stop the debate though!! You can actually learn a little from those if you look beyond the rhetoric. Thanks for the lead on Diamatron and Mackie, ill shoot em a note. I really do appreciate all the info and entertainment!!! LOL