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Guess what - need help deciding on zero turn
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Emptyjones
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Emptyjones
First off - new member. Have been reading the forums quite a bit and are very informative and not so opinionated like a lot of the other forums I have whizzed through.
The JD LT160 hydro crashed a few weeks ago so looking into the ZT market. I have narrowed it down to the Kubota Kommander, Ferris IS600Z and the Gravely ZT HD - all with 48" decks. Kub has a Kohler, Ferris the new B&S turf series, and Gravely the Kawi FRXXX. All "seem" to be fairly evenly matched but different. I realize the Kub is fairly new but has the brand recognition and long standing name and a couple extra bling items. Love the idea behind the iCD deck on the Ferris, suspension, ZT 3400's and a lot of little things that make a lot of sense. The Gravely is a .... Gravely - name says it all. The Kub and Gravely are very close in price while the Ferris is a little bit more. The Ferris dealer/saleman is my favorite. The Kub salesman was kinda cheezy (read used car salesman) but I can overlook that. Havent had a chance to meet the Gravely dealer yet - he's a bit further out (about 45mins - 1 hr). The Kub and Ferris dealer I can be at in 15 mins. Ive been using a friends Gravely ZT HD 52" and like it pretty well. I'm sure its just a matter of preference but I wanted you guys to chime in with your opinions/experience of each. I appreciate anyone who will take the time.
The JD LT160 hydro crashed a few weeks ago so looking into the ZT market. I have narrowed it down to the Kubota Kommander, Ferris IS600Z and the Gravely ZT HD - all with 48" decks. Kub has a Kohler, Ferris the new B&S turf series, and Gravely the Kawi FRXXX. All "seem" to be fairly evenly matched but different. I realize the Kub is fairly new but has the brand recognition and long standing name and a couple extra bling items. Love the idea behind the iCD deck on the Ferris, suspension, ZT 3400's and a lot of little things that make a lot of sense. The Gravely is a .... Gravely - name says it all. The Kub and Gravely are very close in price while the Ferris is a little bit more. The Ferris dealer/saleman is my favorite. The Kub salesman was kinda cheezy (read used car salesman) but I can overlook that. Havent had a chance to meet the Gravely dealer yet - he's a bit further out (about 45mins - 1 hr). The Kub and Ferris dealer I can be at in 15 mins. Ive been using a friends Gravely ZT HD 52" and like it pretty well. I'm sure its just a matter of preference but I wanted you guys to chime in with your opinions/experience of each. I appreciate anyone who will take the time.
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Mike88se
Mike88se
I haven't owned a Ferris but I've owned a Gravely. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another. The Kubota is residential isn't it?
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Emptyjones
I guess they consider it a "prosumer" model. I test drove it and it was pretty smooth in the gravel lot. Like that it comes standard with a suspension seat and LED lights, has a good 4 year warranty and has pretty good compenents. I also like that it has 1-4 gallon tank under the seat as oppsed to 2 separate tanks that require switching a valve. It also has the new "ultrascaper" 22" tires and a "dial" cut height adjustment. My Deere had that and it is super easy to adjust on the fly.
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Emptyjones
I haven't owned a Ferris but I've owned a Gravely. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another. The Kubota is residential isn't it?
I guess they consider it a "prosumer" model. I test drove it and it was pretty smooth in the gravel lot. Like that it comes standard with a suspension seat and LED lights, has a good 4 year warranty and has pretty good compenents. I also like that it has 1-4 gallon tank under the seat as oppsed to 2 separate tanks that require switching a valve. It also has the new "ultrascaper" 22" tires and a "dial" cut height adjustment. My Deere had that and it is super easy to adjust on the fly.
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Shughes717
I have a snapper pro with the icd deck. Cuts great. The ferris has the commercial zt3400 hydros, and the b&s engine is considered commercial as well. That's why it has a higher price. The fr series Kawi is a residential engine and the zt 3100 hydros are lighter duty and slower. It would help if we knew how many ares you are mowing and what kind of terrain. Nothing wrong with any of those mowers, but the ferris is built a little heavier.
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Shughes717
First off - new member. Have been reading the forums quite a bit and are very informative and not so opinionated like a lot of the other forums I have whizzed through.
The JD LT160 hydro crashed a few weeks ago so looking into the ZT market. I have narrowed it down to the Kubota Kommander, Ferris IS600Z and the Gravely ZT HD - all with 48" decks. Kub has a Kohler, Ferris the new B&S turf series, and Gravely the Kawi FRXXX. All "seem" to be fairly evenly matched but different. I realize the Kub is fairly new but has the brand recognition and long standing name and a couple extra bling items. Love the idea behind the iCD deck on the Ferris, suspension, ZT 3400's and a lot of little things that make a lot of sense. The Gravely is a .... Gravely - name says it all. The Kub and Gravely are very close in price while the Ferris is a little bit more. The Ferris dealer/saleman is my favorite. The Kub salesman was kinda cheezy (read used car salesman) but I can overlook that. Havent had a chance to meet the Gravely dealer yet - he's a bit further out (about 45mins - 1 hr). The Kub and Ferris dealer I can be at in 15 mins. Ive been using a friends Gravely ZT HD 52" and like it pretty well. I'm sure its just a matter of preference but I wanted you guys to chime in with your opinions/experience of each. I appreciate anyone who will take the time.
I have a snapper pro with the icd deck. Cuts great. The ferris has the commercial zt3400 hydros, and the b&s engine is considered commercial as well. That's why it has a higher price. The fr series Kawi is a residential engine and the zt 3100 hydros are lighter duty and slower. It would help if we knew how many ares you are mowing and what kind of terrain. Nothing wrong with any of those mowers, but the ferris is built a little heavier.
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Shughes717
The kubota and the zthd are both high end residential, low end commercial. They both have zt3100 hydros which are what some call low end commercial. They both offer residential grade engines. The 10 gauge fabricated deck isn't quite as heavy duty as commercial decks which are usually reinforced with 7gauge steel.
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Shughes717
I haven't owned a Ferris but I've owned a Gravely. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another. The Kubota is residential isn't it?
The kubota and the zthd are both high end residential, low end commercial. They both have zt3100 hydros which are what some call low end commercial. They both offer residential grade engines. The 10 gauge fabricated deck isn't quite as heavy duty as commercial decks which are usually reinforced with 7gauge steel.
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Emptyjones
I'll be mowing 1 to 1 1/2 acres. You're right it does look to be built heavier than either of the others. It also has a lot of small details that tell me the designers have "been there, done that" or at least listened to their customers over the years. The thing that intrigues me the most is the Suspension. Seems to me that it will allow the wheels to stay in contact with the ground longer than the typical rigid frame ZT. I've been using a friends Gravely ZT HD for a few weeks now and there are certain parts of the yard where the inside wheel will always break loose resulting in a multi-point turn to get it to go where I want it to. I THINK the suspension will help out here. My yard's not rough so the general ride is not a huge factor but rather a bonus for my situation. The dealer did a great job pointing out all of the little details and explaining the iCD. As I said earlier I really did like him (they are the local Farmers CO-OP - just good old country boys who now their outdoor power equipment and never once offered to bash their competitors).
There is a snapper on Craigslist with the iCD deck I noticed -$4450 with 36 hours, Kawi FX (I think), and 48" deck. Not sure Snapper is what it used to be though and of course it doesn't have the suspension. How do you like yours and how long have you had it? Any probs? I have a snapper dealer very close to the house. Haven't checked them out though.
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Emptyjones
I have a snapper pro with the icd deck. Cuts great. The ferris has the commercial zt3400 hydros, and the b&s engine is considered commercial as well. That's why it has a higher price. The fr series Kawi is a residential engine and the zt 3100 hydros are lighter duty and slower. It would help if we knew how many ares you are mowing and what kind of terrain. Nothing wrong with any of those mowers, but the ferris is built a little heavier.
I'll be mowing 1 to 1 1/2 acres. You're right it does look to be built heavier than either of the others. It also has a lot of small details that tell me the designers have "been there, done that" or at least listened to their customers over the years. The thing that intrigues me the most is the Suspension. Seems to me that it will allow the wheels to stay in contact with the ground longer than the typical rigid frame ZT. I've been using a friends Gravely ZT HD for a few weeks now and there are certain parts of the yard where the inside wheel will always break loose resulting in a multi-point turn to get it to go where I want it to. I THINK the suspension will help out here. My yard's not rough so the general ride is not a huge factor but rather a bonus for my situation. The dealer did a great job pointing out all of the little details and explaining the iCD. As I said earlier I really did like him (they are the local Farmers CO-OP - just good old country boys who now their outdoor power equipment and never once offered to bash their competitors).
There is a snapper on Craigslist with the iCD deck I noticed -$4450 with 36 hours, Kawi FX (I think), and 48" deck. Not sure Snapper is what it used to be though and of course it doesn't have the suspension. How do you like yours and how long have you had it? Any probs? I have a snapper dealer very close to the house. Haven't checked them out though.
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Shughes717
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Shughes717
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Ferris, snapper pro, and simplicity are all owned by Briggs & stratton. The only difference between the snapper pro and ferris is the suspension. They are almost identical other wise. I have a 48" s150xt. Mine has the fx series Kawi engine, which is their top of the line commercial model and the zt5400 hydros which are heavy duty commercial and top of hydrogear's line. My mower is the best one I have ever owned. It's rugged, and will cut my lawn very fast compared to anything I have ever owned before. I mow 4.2 acres with it in about 2 hours and 15 minutes. I have experience on ferris mowers as well, and would love to own a is2100 I just can't afford a $9000 mower. The suspension on them is great. The suspension on the is600 and is700 does improve the ride some, but doesn't offer the same amount of travel as the is2100. You can buy a suspension seat, or suspension insert for just about any brand and get as smooth a ride as the is600 or is700 has. You are right about the suspension allowing the wheels to maintain contact with the ground on uneven portions of the lawn. I have a couple of places where a front wheel will leave the ground and lift that corner of the deck, but my mower still leaves a great overall cut. Any of the mowers you are looking at will be fine for your lawn and will last you many years. You really don't need a heavy duty commercial mower for 1 and1/2 acres. 36 hours is nothing on a commercial mower. It sounds like the snapper pro you looked at is either a s50xt, or an s150xt. The s50xt has zt3100 hydros like what is on the zthd or the kommander. The difference between it and the other two is it has a much better engine than what is on either if them.
I'll be mowing 1 to 1 1/2 acres. You're right it does look to be built heavier than either of the others. It also has a lot of small details that tell me the designers have "been there, done that" or at least listened to their customers over the years. The thing that intrigues me the most is the Suspension. Seems to me that it will allow the wheels to stay in contact with the ground longer than the typical rigid frame ZT. I've been using a friends Gravely ZT HD for a few weeks now and there are certain parts of the yard where the inside wheel will always break loose resulting in a multi-point turn to get it to go where I want it to. I THINK the suspension will help out here. My yard's not rough so the general ride is not a huge factor but rather a bonus for my situation. The dealer did a great job pointing out all of the little details and explaining the iCD. As I said earlier I really did like him (they are the local Farmers CO-OP - just good old country boys who now their outdoor power equipment and never once offered to bash their competitors).
There is a snapper on Craigslist with the iCD deck I noticed -$4450 with 36 hours, Kawi FX (I think), and 48" deck. Not sure Snapper is what it used to be though and of course it doesn't have the suspension. How do you like yours and how long have you had it? Any probs? I have a snapper dealer very close to the house. Haven't checked them out though.
Ferris, snapper pro, and simplicity are all owned by Briggs & stratton. The only difference between the snapper pro and ferris is the suspension. They are almost identical other wise. I have a 48" s150xt. Mine has the fx series Kawi engine, which is their top of the line commercial model and the zt5400 hydros which are heavy duty commercial and top of hydrogear's line. My mower is the best one I have ever owned. It's rugged, and will cut my lawn very fast compared to anything I have ever owned before. I mow 4.2 acres with it in about 2 hours and 15 minutes. I have experience on ferris mowers as well, and would love to own a is2100 I just can't afford a $9000 mower. The suspension on them is great. The suspension on the is600 and is700 does improve the ride some, but doesn't offer the same amount of travel as the is2100. You can buy a suspension seat, or suspension insert for just about any brand and get as smooth a ride as the is600 or is700 has. You are right about the suspension allowing the wheels to maintain contact with the ground on uneven portions of the lawn. I have a couple of places where a front wheel will leave the ground and lift that corner of the deck, but my mower still leaves a great overall cut. Any of the mowers you are looking at will be fine for your lawn and will last you many years. You really don't need a heavy duty commercial mower for 1 and1/2 acres. 36 hours is nothing on a commercial mower. It sounds like the snapper pro you looked at is either a s50xt, or an s150xt. The s50xt has zt3100 hydros like what is on the zthd or the kommander. The difference between it and the other two is it has a much better engine than what is on either if them.
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Dave1954
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Dave1954
you should check out the Husqvarna line most times you will find more bang for the buck. better motor and trannies than most in the same price range
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Shughes717
The mzt is a good mower, but there are mowers out there that offer the same drive train for a comparable price. If there is a husqvarna dealer in the op's area he should definitely give them a look as well. Shopping around is the best way to get what the mower that fits the buyers needs at the best price.
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Shughes717
you should check out the Husqvarna line most times you will find more bang for the buck. better motor and trannies than most in the same price range
The mzt is a good mower, but there are mowers out there that offer the same drive train for a comparable price. If there is a husqvarna dealer in the op's area he should definitely give them a look as well. Shopping around is the best way to get what the mower that fits the buyers needs at the best price.
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Emptyjones
The Ferris dealer is also a Husqvarna, Simplicity and Stihl dealer. I glanced at the two he had on the floor. He had a lawn tractor I looked at earlier in the year - was not impressed so I assumed the rest of the bunch was similar. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Emptyjones
The mzt is a good mower, but there are mowers out there that offer the same drive train for a comparable price. If there is a husqvarna dealer in the op's area he should definitely give them a look as well. Shopping around is the best way to get what the mower that fits the buyers needs at the best price.
The Ferris dealer is also a Husqvarna, Simplicity and Stihl dealer. I glanced at the two he had on the floor. He had a lawn tractor I looked at earlier in the year - was not impressed so I assumed the rest of the bunch was similar. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Shughes717
The mzt is a commercial mower. A 52" will run between $5000 and $5500. It offers the commercial fs series Kawi engine and zt3400 hydros. The snapper pro s125xt has the same drive train with a 61" icd deck in the same price range. You can get a 48" big dog stout with the heavy duty fx series engine and zt3400 hydros in the same price range, but those mowers would be extreme overkill for your needs. Simplicity is geared more for residential use than the ferris. Not made quite as heavy unless you are looking at the champion, or citation.
In the end you know what your budget is, and what you want. Any of the mowers you are looking at will serve you well for many years if you maintain proper service and don't abuse the mower. You don't need to feel like you have to have the commercial drive train. It wouldn't be worth the extra money for your needs. If you have two particular mowers you are looking at in the same price range, and one does offer a better engine, transmission combo then it would probably be a better option. You will probably be putting 50 hours a year on the machine or less, so the residential engines should be fine for your job. If You want to look at husqvarna you may want to check out the mz series. Has a thinner 11 gauge deck and has the fr series Kawi, but they aren't bad mowers.
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Shughes717
The Ferris dealer is also a Husqvarna, Simplicity and Stihl dealer. I glanced at the two he had on the floor. He had a lawn tractor I looked at earlier in the year - was not impressed so I assumed the rest of the bunch was similar. Maybe I'm wrong.
The mzt is a commercial mower. A 52" will run between $5000 and $5500. It offers the commercial fs series Kawi engine and zt3400 hydros. The snapper pro s125xt has the same drive train with a 61" icd deck in the same price range. You can get a 48" big dog stout with the heavy duty fx series engine and zt3400 hydros in the same price range, but those mowers would be extreme overkill for your needs. Simplicity is geared more for residential use than the ferris. Not made quite as heavy unless you are looking at the champion, or citation.
In the end you know what your budget is, and what you want. Any of the mowers you are looking at will serve you well for many years if you maintain proper service and don't abuse the mower. You don't need to feel like you have to have the commercial drive train. It wouldn't be worth the extra money for your needs. If you have two particular mowers you are looking at in the same price range, and one does offer a better engine, transmission combo then it would probably be a better option. You will probably be putting 50 hours a year on the machine or less, so the residential engines should be fine for your job. If You want to look at husqvarna you may want to check out the mz series. Has a thinner 11 gauge deck and has the fr series Kawi, but they aren't bad mowers.
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Emptyjones
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Emptyjones
"It sounds like the snapper pro you looked at is either a s50xt,..." Shughes717", it is the S50XT with the Kawi FX. Here's the link to the advertisement: https://knoxville.craigslist.org/grd/4732860880.html
I went and checked out a new one (S50XT) at the local dealer, again very close to the house. Really liked the guys there too. Two brothers own and run it. Liked it very well, found nothing to not like about it and it was set up right too - no herky jerky or pulling to one side (unlike the Bobcat I checked out). It had the B&S "turf" series on it. I talked to the dealer about the bad rep of B&S. He went into the single cylinder debacle that gave them the rep. He did say of all the turf series he has sold (which, apparently, is quite a few) he has not had one come back in for any kind of work (damage or warranty). So, I'm wondering if the extra $200 for the Kawi is actually worth it - I kinda like the idea of going against the grain/popularity (I always pull for the underdog). At any rate, he quoted me $4350 + tax which, was $650 less than advertised. It did not have some of the details of the Ferris IS600z had but that's not a deal breaker for me. Plus I really don't think they are apples and apples. I liked the size of it, I think it fits my situation better, it handled very well (set up and ZT 3100's), and I love that iCD deck too. I wish it had bigger rear tires but they seemed a bit taller than some of the other machines I've checked out with 20" tires. They had a pretty good slope (maybe 4:1) in the back lot and I tried it parallel with slope and it seemed to hold pretty well.
Whaddya think?
I went and checked out a new one (S50XT) at the local dealer, again very close to the house. Really liked the guys there too. Two brothers own and run it. Liked it very well, found nothing to not like about it and it was set up right too - no herky jerky or pulling to one side (unlike the Bobcat I checked out). It had the B&S "turf" series on it. I talked to the dealer about the bad rep of B&S. He went into the single cylinder debacle that gave them the rep. He did say of all the turf series he has sold (which, apparently, is quite a few) he has not had one come back in for any kind of work (damage or warranty). So, I'm wondering if the extra $200 for the Kawi is actually worth it - I kinda like the idea of going against the grain/popularity (I always pull for the underdog). At any rate, he quoted me $4350 + tax which, was $650 less than advertised. It did not have some of the details of the Ferris IS600z had but that's not a deal breaker for me. Plus I really don't think they are apples and apples. I liked the size of it, I think it fits my situation better, it handled very well (set up and ZT 3100's), and I love that iCD deck too. I wish it had bigger rear tires but they seemed a bit taller than some of the other machines I've checked out with 20" tires. They had a pretty good slope (maybe 4:1) in the back lot and I tried it parallel with slope and it seemed to hold pretty well.
Whaddya think?
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Shughes717
The commercial turf is a new engine. It hasn't been out there long enough to get much feed back on it. I am a Kawi fan and my mower has the same fx series engine that is offered on the s50xt. Snapper pro mowers are very well built and that is a good price for an s50xt. You are right in your statement about the s50xt not being apples to Apple with the is600. The s125xt is the comparable mower to the is600. It sounds as though you have found a mower you like and it will suit your needs well. Let us know what you decide and post pictures of whatever you purchase.
Btw, I just noticed you are a fellow tennessean. With you checking Knoxville Craig's list it sounds like your stomping grounds are in East Tennessee. I think I forgot to answer one of your earlier questions about my mower. I have had it for three seasons now. My dad has an s200xt for four seasons. He cuts about 9 acres with his. We have a great local dealer as well. You may want to see if you can get the dealer to throw in a suspension insert or lights.
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Shughes717
"It sounds like the snapper pro you looked at is either a s50xt,..." Shughes717", it is the S50XT with the Kawi FX. Here's the link to the advertisement: https://knoxville.craigslist.org/grd/4732860880.html
I went and checked out a new one (S50XT) at the local dealer, again very close to the house. Really liked the guys there too. Two brothers own and run it. Liked it very well, found nothing to not like about it and it was set up right too - no herky jerky or pulling to one side (unlike the Bobcat I checked out). It had the B&S "turf" series on it. I talked to the dealer about the bad rep of B&S. He went into the single cylinder debacle that gave them the rep. He did say of all the turf series he has sold (which, apparently, is quite a few) he has not had one come back in for any kind of work (damage or warranty). So, I'm wondering if the extra $200 for the Kawi is actually worth it - I kinda like the idea of going against the grain/popularity (I always pull for the underdog). At any rate, he quoted me $4350 + tax which, was $650 less than advertised. It did not have some of the details of the Ferris IS600z had but that's not a deal breaker for me. Plus I really don't think they are apples and apples. I liked the size of it, I think it fits my situation better, it handled very well (set up and ZT 3100's), and I love that iCD deck too. I wish it had bigger rear tires but they seemed a bit taller than some of the other machines I've checked out with 20" tires. They had a pretty good slope (maybe 4:1) in the back lot and I tried it parallel with slope and it seemed to hold pretty well.
Whaddya think?
The commercial turf is a new engine. It hasn't been out there long enough to get much feed back on it. I am a Kawi fan and my mower has the same fx series engine that is offered on the s50xt. Snapper pro mowers are very well built and that is a good price for an s50xt. You are right in your statement about the s50xt not being apples to Apple with the is600. The s125xt is the comparable mower to the is600. It sounds as though you have found a mower you like and it will suit your needs well. Let us know what you decide and post pictures of whatever you purchase.
Btw, I just noticed you are a fellow tennessean. With you checking Knoxville Craig's list it sounds like your stomping grounds are in East Tennessee. I think I forgot to answer one of your earlier questions about my mower. I have had it for three seasons now. My dad has an s200xt for four seasons. He cuts about 9 acres with his. We have a great local dealer as well. You may want to see if you can get the dealer to throw in a suspension insert or lights.
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Emptyjones
Yep, east TN - "Murvul" aka Maryville ha ha. He offered me a good deal on the s125XT @ $5500 but I really think it's too much for my needs. I'm studying hard on the 50. Will keep you posted.
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Emptyjones
The commercial turf is a new engine. It hasn't been out there long enough to get much feed back on it. I am a Kawi fan and my mower has the same fx series engine that is offered on the s50xt. Snapper pro mowers are very well built and that is a good price for an s50xt. You are right in your statement about the s50xt not being apples to Apple with the is600. The s125xt is the comparable mower to the is600. It sounds as though you have found a mower you like and it will suit your needs well. Let us know what you decide and post pictures of whatever you purchase.
Btw, I just noticed you are a fellow tennessean. With you checking Knoxville Craig's list it sounds like your stomping grounds are in East Tennessee. I think I forgot to answer one of your earlier questions about my mower. I have had it for three seasons now. My dad has an s200xt for four seasons. He cuts about 9 acres with his. We have a great local dealer as well. You may want to see if you can get the dealer to throw in a suspension insert or lights.
Yep, east TN - "Murvul" aka Maryville ha ha. He offered me a good deal on the s125XT @ $5500 but I really think it's too much for my needs. I'm studying hard on the 50. Will keep you posted.
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Shughes717
The s125xt is overkill for your needs. I'm at the other end of the state. I live in friendship.
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Shughes717
Yep, east TN - "Murvul" aka Maryville ha ha. He offered me a good deal on the s125XT @ $5500 but I really think it's too much for my needs. I'm studying hard on the 50. Will keep you posted.
The s125xt is overkill for your needs. I'm at the other end of the state. I live in friendship.
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Ric
He should also check out Toro, Exmark, Hustler and Scag, there all better mowers than what he is looking at and better built.
Ric
you should check out the Husqvarna line most times you will find more bang for the buck. better motor and trannies than most in the same price range
He should also check out Toro, Exmark, Hustler and Scag, there all better mowers than what he is looking at and better built.
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Shughes717
There you go again spouting opinions about how much better other mowers are when you have never had any experience with the ones you are bashing. Everyone of the brands you mentioned will cost more for the same options that are on the ones he is looking at. To go with mowers that compare to the ones the op is looking at he would have to look at the hustler fastrack, the exmark pioneer, the scag freedom z, or the toro Titan mx. All have a higher price tag. We have gone round and round about this. Engines and transmissions are all the same. All have heavy duty frames and decks. What makes them any better? I know you can read the threads on every brand you mentioned and see problems with their mowers, and it's usually the engine, or something not engaging. Just like the threads for all the brands you didn't mention. Just paying for paint and brand.
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Shughes717
He should also check out Toro, Exmark, Hustler and Scag, there all better mowers than what he is looking at and better built.
There you go again spouting opinions about how much better other mowers are when you have never had any experience with the ones you are bashing. Everyone of the brands you mentioned will cost more for the same options that are on the ones he is looking at. To go with mowers that compare to the ones the op is looking at he would have to look at the hustler fastrack, the exmark pioneer, the scag freedom z, or the toro Titan mx. All have a higher price tag. We have gone round and round about this. Engines and transmissions are all the same. All have heavy duty frames and decks. What makes them any better? I know you can read the threads on every brand you mentioned and see problems with their mowers, and it's usually the engine, or something not engaging. Just like the threads for all the brands you didn't mention. Just paying for paint and brand.
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Ric
I wouldn't worry about my experience with mowers, I've had plenty of experience over the last 40 plus years or more with a lot of different brands of mowers. It also doesn't take a rocket scientist to compare spec's and manufacturers to know what mower is better than another.
You say everyone of the brands you mentioned will cost more for the same options that are on the ones he is looking at, well have you every ask yourself why they cost more, it's because there a better built mower from frames to decks and spindles, lift systems and warranty's but I'm not going to argue the point with you.
I gave the individual my opinion, I said He should also check out Toro, Exmark, Hustler and Scag, there all better mowers than what he is looking at and better built and they are and he should check out all the options before he buys.
Ric
There you go again spouting opinions about how much better other mowers are when you have never had any experience with the ones you are bashing. Everyone of the brands you mentioned will cost more for the same options that are on the ones he is looking at. To go with mowers that compare to the ones the op is looking at he would have to look at the hustler fastrack, the exmark pioneer, the scag freedom z, or the toro Titan. All have a higher price tag. We have gone round and round about this. Engines and transmissions are all the same. All have heavy duty frames and decks. What makes them any better? I know you can read the threads on every brand you mentioned and see problems with their mowers, and it's usually the engine, or something not engaging. Just like the threads for all the brands you didn't mention. Just paying for paint and brand.
I wouldn't worry about my experience with mowers, I've had plenty of experience over the last 40 plus years or more with a lot of different brands of mowers. It also doesn't take a rocket scientist to compare spec's and manufacturers to know what mower is better than another.
You say everyone of the brands you mentioned will cost more for the same options that are on the ones he is looking at, well have you every ask yourself why they cost more, it's because there a better built mower from frames to decks and spindles, lift systems and warranty's but I'm not going to argue the point with you.
I gave the individual my opinion, I said He should also check out Toro, Exmark, Hustler and Scag, there all better mowers than what he is looking at and better built and they are and he should check out all the options before he buys.
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Shughes717
Apparently you don't read the specs. You have never proven how another brand, particularly toro, is built any better. An s150xt has larger wheels, more fuel capacity, larger hydros, and a larger engine than the z master 2000 and costs less. You have no experience with ferris or snapper pro, therefore you cannot give an informed opinion on either. How can anyone take your opinion seriously when you haven't used one? The only reason you bash ferris and snapper pro is because you hate their parent company. You are basing your opinion on emotion instead of facts. I will give toro credit. They are great mowers, but unless the buyer owns horses they are over priced.
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Shughes717
I wouldn't worry about my experience with mowers, I've had plenty of experience over the last 40 plus years or more with a lot of different brands of mowers. It also doesn't take a rocket scientist to compare spec's and manufacturers to know what mower is better than another.
You say everyone of the brands you mentioned will cost more for the same options that are on the ones he is looking at, well have you every ask yourself why they cost more, it's because there a better built mower from frames to decks and spindles, lift systems and warranty's but I'm not going to argue the point with you.
I gave the individual my opinion, I said He should also check out Toro, Exmark, Hustler and Scag, there all better mowers than what he is looking at and better built and they are and he should check out all the options before he buys.
Apparently you don't read the specs. You have never proven how another brand, particularly toro, is built any better. An s150xt has larger wheels, more fuel capacity, larger hydros, and a larger engine than the z master 2000 and costs less. You have no experience with ferris or snapper pro, therefore you cannot give an informed opinion on either. How can anyone take your opinion seriously when you haven't used one? The only reason you bash ferris and snapper pro is because you hate their parent company. You are basing your opinion on emotion instead of facts. I will give toro credit. They are great mowers, but unless the buyer owns horses they are over priced.
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Ric
Your spouting things that you don't know, you say You have no experience with ferris or snapper pro, how do you know I have know experience with them, YOU DON'T so don't spout facts you don't know. Talk about basing your opinion on emotion instead of facts. Larger hydros? the only thing larger hydro's get you is speed that can't be used when your mowing, those speed are for transport mode not mowing. I have proven that the Toro is a better built machine you just refuse to see it. Ya know I didn't respond to your post I just basically agree with Dave1954 about checking out some other mowers so this conversation with you is over.
Ric
Apparently you don't read the specs. You have never proven how another brand, particularly toro, is built any better. An s150xt has larger wheels, more fuel capacity, larger hydros, and a larger engine than the z master 2000 and costs less. You have no experience with ferris or snapper pro, therefore you cannot give an informed opinion on either. How can anyone take your opinion seriously when you haven't used one? The only reason you bash ferris and snapper pro is because you hate their parent company. You are basing your opinion on emotion instead of facts. I will give toro credit. They are great mowers, but unless the buyer owns horses they are over priced.
Your spouting things that you don't know, you say You have no experience with ferris or snapper pro, how do you know I have know experience with them, YOU DON'T so don't spout facts you don't know. Talk about basing your opinion on emotion instead of facts. Larger hydros? the only thing larger hydro's get you is speed that can't be used when your mowing, those speed are for transport mode not mowing. I have proven that the Toro is a better built machine you just refuse to see it. Ya know I didn't respond to your post I just basically agree with Dave1954 about checking out some other mowers so this conversation with you is over.
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serelaw
I see Ric is still blowing hot air. Larger hydros? The only positive is Transport mode?
Again he is clueless. Ric can not punctuate or spell. Ric is a mod here.
The only thing he mods is common sense and reason. Unbelievable. IMHO
Again he is clueless. Ric can not punctuate or spell. Ric is a mod here.
The only thing he mods is common sense and reason. Unbelievable. IMHO
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Shughes717
How have you proven toro is built better? I just gave proof why they are no better. You claim toro is heavier made, but even the s125xt which has the same hydros and same size engine as the z master 2000 weighs more than the toro. So how is it better built and lighter? They aren't made of titanium. I know you have no experience with ferris or snapper pro for two reasons. First, you have had plenty of opportunity to explain which ones you have owned or used and you have never done so. Secondly, your hatred for b&s runs so deep that you would never use one because they are owned by b&s. So now this conversation is over.
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Shughes717
Your spouting things that you don't know, you say You have no experience with ferris or snapper pro, how do you know I have know experience with them, YOU DON'T so don't spout facts you don't know. Talk about basing your opinion on emotion instead of facts. Larger hydros? the only thing larger hydro's get you is speed that can't be used when your mowing, those speed are for transport mode not mowing. I have proven that the Toro is a better built machine you just refuse to see it. Ya know I didn't respond to your post I just basically agree with Dave1954 about checking out some other mowers so this conversation with you is over.
How have you proven toro is built better? I just gave proof why they are no better. You claim toro is heavier made, but even the s125xt which has the same hydros and same size engine as the z master 2000 weighs more than the toro. So how is it better built and lighter? They aren't made of titanium. I know you have no experience with ferris or snapper pro for two reasons. First, you have had plenty of opportunity to explain which ones you have owned or used and you have never done so. Secondly, your hatred for b&s runs so deep that you would never use one because they are owned by b&s. So now this conversation is over.
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Dave1954
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I researched many brands and found many that were built well and would do the job, after all these are lawn mowers :laughing: not nascar racers, what I found with the Husqvarna MZT 52 over the comparable priced scag,exmark,hustler and toro was it had better components, it has cast iron spindles where all the others had aluminum, it had a FS motor where the others had the FR it had 34 trannies where some of the others had 28 or 31's and I found a dealer willing to give me a great deal. I doubt any of these in the same price range would not do what the OP wants, he just needs to get out and check them out and see what he likes best and is the best deal.
#24
Ric
LOL hey your stealin my lines again. Do we really have to do this again and frustrate people, they got bored last time :smile: and I see are friendly neighborhood Troll
is back trying to 
I think we need another subject to argue about.:biggrin: Now this conversation is over :thumbsup:
Ric
How have you proven toro is built better? I just gave proof why they are no better. You claim toro is heavier made, but even the s125xt which has the same hydros and same size engine as the z master 2000 weighs more than the toro. So how is it better built and lighter? They aren't made of titanium. I know you have no experience with ferris or snapper pro for two reasons. First, you have had plenty of opportunity to explain which ones you have owned or used and you have never done so. Secondly, your hatred for b&s runs so deep that you would never use one because they are owned by b&s. So now this conversation is over.
LOL hey your stealin my lines again. Do we really have to do this again and frustrate people, they got bored last time :smile: and I see are friendly neighborhood Troll
is back trying to I think we need another subject to argue about.:biggrin: Now this conversation is over :thumbsup:
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Shughes717
Totally agree
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Shughes717
I researched many brands and found many that were built well and would do the job, after all these are lawn mowers :laughing: not nascar racers, what I found with the Husqvarna MZT 52 over the comparable priced scag,exmark,hustler and toro was it had better components, it has cast iron spindles where all the others had aluminum, it had a FS motor where the others had the FR it had 34 trannies where some of the others had 28 or 31's and I found a dealer willing to give me a great deal. I doubt any of these in the same price range would not do what the OP wants, he just needs to get out and check them out and see what he likes best and is the best deal.
Totally agree
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Emptyjones
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Emptyjones
Me thinks I was hi-jacked!
What i have found to be true - the machines I am looking at are very similar in spec and build quality. All have pretty much the same warranty. Some have a chi-chi the other one doesn't and vice-versa. The thing I liked most about the Sanpper Pro was certainly the price, the deck, the quality of the welds and the way it was set up - meaning dealer prep before putting it on the floor. I absolutley did not like the Hustler Raptor SD and either of the "prosumer" Bobcats for that very reason. To me the time a dealer puts into setting the machine up says alot about the quality of service after the sale: lazy = IDGAS, just give me your money. It may not speak to the actually quality of the machine but it def speaks to the quality of MY TIME on the machine. Of the delaers I have spoken with the Ferris and Snapper were the absolute best of the bunch. Their shops were very clean and tidy as well as their mechanics and both took great pains to show me what they had to offer and neither tried to oversell me. I respect that they respect what I have asked for.
Kawaski vs B&S: isnt this the time proven debate of Chevy vs Ford (at least in the commmercial/prosumer versions)? The fact that someone HATES a brand makes me ill. That is absoultely rediculous. How has B&S satyed in business so long not to mention acquired all these other brands over the years? It certainly isn't because they build 100% junk. Everybody gets a mouthful of lemon juice every now and again. I like the Kawi because the rest of the herd likes 'em - but are they actually WORTH the extra money - has anybody had a bad experience with the newer B&S "turf" series?????
The SCAG, Exmark and TORO do not offer a similar price point machine (Snapper Pro dealer reps TORO as well), at least not that I could find.
The only warranty that I have seen that beats any of the contenders is the Big Dog but I have not checked them out yet. From what I have gathered they are little bit pricier than what I'm looking at.
What i have found to be true - the machines I am looking at are very similar in spec and build quality. All have pretty much the same warranty. Some have a chi-chi the other one doesn't and vice-versa. The thing I liked most about the Sanpper Pro was certainly the price, the deck, the quality of the welds and the way it was set up - meaning dealer prep before putting it on the floor. I absolutley did not like the Hustler Raptor SD and either of the "prosumer" Bobcats for that very reason. To me the time a dealer puts into setting the machine up says alot about the quality of service after the sale: lazy = IDGAS, just give me your money. It may not speak to the actually quality of the machine but it def speaks to the quality of MY TIME on the machine. Of the delaers I have spoken with the Ferris and Snapper were the absolute best of the bunch. Their shops were very clean and tidy as well as their mechanics and both took great pains to show me what they had to offer and neither tried to oversell me. I respect that they respect what I have asked for.
Kawaski vs B&S: isnt this the time proven debate of Chevy vs Ford (at least in the commmercial/prosumer versions)? The fact that someone HATES a brand makes me ill. That is absoultely rediculous. How has B&S satyed in business so long not to mention acquired all these other brands over the years? It certainly isn't because they build 100% junk. Everybody gets a mouthful of lemon juice every now and again. I like the Kawi because the rest of the herd likes 'em - but are they actually WORTH the extra money - has anybody had a bad experience with the newer B&S "turf" series?????
The SCAG, Exmark and TORO do not offer a similar price point machine (Snapper Pro dealer reps TORO as well), at least not that I could find.
The only warranty that I have seen that beats any of the contenders is the Big Dog but I have not checked them out yet. From what I have gathered they are little bit pricier than what I'm looking at.
#27
serelaw
LOL. You call me troll because I disagree with you.
Because I know you're full of it.
You used the wrong verb again. (Are)
Hughes does not steal lines. I can tell he has original thoughts, not ones he has read from other forums.
You are speaking for the forum members again.
Pretending to know what we think.
And since when do you close conversations?
If you talk out of your mouth you have more credibility.
serelaw
LOL hey your stealin my lines again. Do we really have to do this again and frustrate people, they got bored last time :smile: and I see are friendly neighborhood Troll View attachment 23887 is back trying to View attachment 23886 I think we need another subject to argue about.:biggrin: Now this conversation is over :thumbsup:
LOL. You call me troll because I disagree with you.
Because I know you're full of it.
You used the wrong verb again. (Are)
Hughes does not steal lines. I can tell he has original thoughts, not ones he has read from other forums.
You are speaking for the forum members again.
Pretending to know what we think.
And since when do you close conversations?
If you talk out of your mouth you have more credibility.
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Shughes717
My apologies for the hijacking lol. Sometimes we get into debates on threads and forget that we are here to help people looking to get information on these mowers. Ric and I go back and forth pretty frequently, but we both enjoy the debate. I think that's why it happens so frequently. Diamatron purchased an s200xt with the commercial turf engine a few months back. He seems to like it a lot. You may want to send him a message and get his review. Maybe you can even get him to post his review on this thread. I believe mad Mackie has a commercial turf engine on a scag mower as well. He has a great deal of knowledge about the engine.
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Shughes717
Me thinks I was hi-jacked!
What i have found to be true - the machines I am looking at are very similar in spec and build quality. All have pretty much the same warranty. Some have a chi-chi the other one doesn't and vice-versa. The thing I liked most about the Sanpper Pro was certainly the price, the deck, the quality of the welds and the way it was set up - meaning dealer prep before putting it on the floor. I absolutley did not like the Hustler Raptor SD and either of the "prosumer" Bobcats for that very reason. To me the time a dealer puts into setting the machine up says alot about the quality of service after the sale: lazy = IDGAS, just give me your money. It may not speak to the actually quality of the machine but it def speaks to the quality of MY TIME on the machine. Of the delaers I have spoken with the Ferris and Snapper were the absolute best of the bunch. Their shops were very clean and tidy as well as their mechanics and both took great pains to show me what they had to offer and neither tried to oversell me. I respect that they respect what I have asked for.
Kawaski vs B&S: isnt this the time proven debate of Chevy vs Ford (at least in the commmercial/prosumer versions)? The fact that someone HATES a brand makes me ill. That is absoultely rediculous. How has B&S satyed in business so long not to mention acquired all these other brands over the years? It certainly isn't because they build 100% junk. Everybody gets a mouthful of lemon juice every now and again. I like the Kawi because the rest of the herd likes 'em - but are they actually WORTH the extra money - has anybody had a bad experience with the newer B&S "turf" series?????
The SCAG, Exmark and TORO do not offer a similar price point machine (Snapper Pro dealer reps TORO as well), at least not that I could find.
The only warranty that I have seen that beats any of the contenders is the Big Dog but I have not checked them out yet. From what I have gathered they are little bit pricier than what I'm looking at.
My apologies for the hijacking lol. Sometimes we get into debates on threads and forget that we are here to help people looking to get information on these mowers. Ric and I go back and forth pretty frequently, but we both enjoy the debate. I think that's why it happens so frequently. Diamatron purchased an s200xt with the commercial turf engine a few months back. He seems to like it a lot. You may want to send him a message and get his review. Maybe you can even get him to post his review on this thread. I believe mad Mackie has a commercial turf engine on a scag mower as well. He has a great deal of knowledge about the engine.
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Shughes717
Thanks, I appreciate that you are objective when reading these posts. I try to post about products I have experience with and not bash the ones I don't. I do believe Ric is knowledgable, just a little blinded by b&s hate.:laughing:
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Shughes717
LOL. You call me troll because I disagree with you.
Because I know you're full of it.
You used the wrong verb again. (Are)
Hughes does not steal lines. I can tell he has original thoughts, not ones he has read from other forums.
You are speaking for the forum members again.
Pretending to know what we think.
And since when do you close conversations?
If you talk out of your mouth you have more credibility.
Thanks, I appreciate that you are objective when reading these posts. I try to post about products I have experience with and not bash the ones I don't. I do believe Ric is knowledgable, just a little blinded by b&s hate.:laughing:
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Emptyjones
I guess as long as there aren't pow pows involved all is well. Don't let me stop the debate though!! You can actually learn a little from those if you look beyond the rhetoric. Thanks for the lead on Diamatron and Mackie, ill shoot em a note. I really do appreciate all the info and entertainment!!! LOL
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Emptyjones
My apologies for the hijacking lol. Sometimes we get into debates on threads and forget that we are here to help people looking to get information on these mowers. Ric and I go back and forth pretty frequently, but we both enjoy the debate. I think that's why it happens so frequently. Diamatron purchased an s200xt with the commercial turf engine a few months back. He seems to like it a lot. You may want to send him a message and get his review. Maybe you can even get him to post his review on this thread. I believe mad Mackie has a commercial turf engine on a scag mower as well. He has a great deal of knowledge about the engine.
I guess as long as there aren't pow pows involved all is well. Don't let me stop the debate though!! You can actually learn a little from those if you look beyond the rhetoric. Thanks for the lead on Diamatron and Mackie, ill shoot em a note. I really do appreciate all the info and entertainment!!! LOL
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Shughes717
Lol, it never comes to blows. Ric and I have to let people know it is all in good fun from time to time. I know it may seem otherwise, but we actually don't get angry at each other. It sounds as though you are doing your homework before you make a purchase. That is the best way to find what you want. You should get a great mower no matter what brand you go with. Don't forget to try and negotiate a suspension seat or lights in the deal if you can. Dealers in our neck of the woods are often disparate to move mowers out this time of year and will give better deals than they would in the spring.:thumbsup:
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Shughes717
I guess as long as there aren't pow pows involved all is well. Don't let me stop the debate though!! You can actually learn a little from those if you look beyond the rhetoric. Thanks for the lead on Diamatron and Mackie, ill shoot em a note. I really do appreciate all the info and entertainment!!! LOL
Lol, it never comes to blows. Ric and I have to let people know it is all in good fun from time to time. I know it may seem otherwise, but we actually don't get angry at each other. It sounds as though you are doing your homework before you make a purchase. That is the best way to find what you want. You should get a great mower no matter what brand you go with. Don't forget to try and negotiate a suspension seat or lights in the deal if you can. Dealers in our neck of the woods are often disparate to move mowers out this time of year and will give better deals than they would in the spring.:thumbsup:
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Mad Mackie
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Mad Mackie
All of my personal machines are Briggs powered, it just turns out that way. My Hustler X-One is Kawasaki FX powered, but a crew at the cemetery operates it most of the time. My oldest is a Briggs powered generator that I bought new in 1994 when I retired from the US Army.
I feel about GM trucks like Ric feels about Briggs engines. When I was in the light hauling business, the only new truck that the company bought was a 1995 GMC 3500 super cab diesel duelly which chucked a connecting rod thru the side of the engine block at 135,000 miles. GMC replaced it and we sold the truck. One of our used Ford diesels had 300,000 on it when we bought it and retired it at 700,000 miles. Before the diesel Fords, we had GM trucks with 350s and 454s, I kept new 454s in stock as I could buy premium long block 454s from a local boat yard, never got more than 80,000 from a 454 and then the transmissions and then the ball joints, shall I go on?? Naaaah!!!
Anyway, enough of that stuff, still got lots of leaves to cleanup and they are still coming down, stubborn oak trees!!! Tomorrows winds will again redistribute the leaves.
Mad Mackie in CT:laughing::biggrin::smile:
I feel about GM trucks like Ric feels about Briggs engines. When I was in the light hauling business, the only new truck that the company bought was a 1995 GMC 3500 super cab diesel duelly which chucked a connecting rod thru the side of the engine block at 135,000 miles. GMC replaced it and we sold the truck. One of our used Ford diesels had 300,000 on it when we bought it and retired it at 700,000 miles. Before the diesel Fords, we had GM trucks with 350s and 454s, I kept new 454s in stock as I could buy premium long block 454s from a local boat yard, never got more than 80,000 from a 454 and then the transmissions and then the ball joints, shall I go on?? Naaaah!!!
Anyway, enough of that stuff, still got lots of leaves to cleanup and they are still coming down, stubborn oak trees!!! Tomorrows winds will again redistribute the leaves.
Mad Mackie in CT:laughing::biggrin::smile:
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Dave1954
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Ive never had a "commercial grade" briggs motor but have owned many of their home grade and to put it honestly they were only in the fair range, had several blow doing normal light work. I would hope the commercial grades are built better than their cheap stuff. I have owned several mowers with the kawi motors and several kawi motorcycles and atvs and can say I never had a single issue with any of them, they ran as good day one as the day I sold them and I see from others the reviews are very good. Also you can go to the kawaski small engine sight and see they are built with good quality parts. So to me and my purchase to spend in my case about 200.00 more to get a kawi over a briggs was a no brainer. If I had a third choice the kohler is a good motor that's better than briggs but still not at the leverl of Kawasaki.
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Emptyjones
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Emptyjones
Here's another one I've considered: Cub Cadet Z-force SZ 48 commercial....? Any opinions? It has the Kohler confidant and ZT-3100's, slope nosed deck, 4 yr/500 hr warranty, blah blah blah. I tried the one with the 2800's (it was ok, kinda herky-jerky in reverse) but they didn't have the next model up at the time. Not real crazy bout dealer and he's not as close as the other contenders - but not a deal breaker. Thoughts anyone?
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Shughes717
There are some on here who are not fans of cub cadet. I don't see any issues with them. The tank is a well built machine. They have the same hydros and engine options. You need to decide which engine/transmission combo you want, and which brands that you like the feel of and go with the best deal. It sounds as though you have decided on zt3100 hydros. I think you will be fine with whatever mower you go with.
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Shughes717
Here's another one I've considered: Cub Cadet Z-force SZ 48 commercial....? Any opinions? It has the Kohler confidant and ZT-3100's, slope nosed deck, 4 yr/500 hr warranty, blah blah blah. I tried the one with the 2800's (it was ok, kinda herky-jerky in reverse) but they didn't have the next model up at the time. Not real crazy bout dealer and he's not as close as the other contenders - but not a deal breaker. Thoughts anyone?
There are some on here who are not fans of cub cadet. I don't see any issues with them. The tank is a well built machine. They have the same hydros and engine options. You need to decide which engine/transmission combo you want, and which brands that you like the feel of and go with the best deal. It sounds as though you have decided on zt3100 hydros. I think you will be fine with whatever mower you go with.
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Emptyjones
I feel like a one-eyed cat in a fish market...which one do I want, which one do I want, which one do I want.... I liked the idea behind the steering wheel but i didn't like the 2800's on the one I tried. The one with the 3100's is quite a bit more so I guess I dhould turn away while the gettin is good.
My gut's telling me the snapper. They're supposed to be getting the kawi version in soon. Gotta wait til then
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Emptyjones
There are some on here who are not fans of cub cadet. I don't see any issues with them. The tank is a well built machine. They have the same hydros and engine options. You need to decide which engine/transmission combo you want, and which brands that you like the feel of and go with the best deal. It sounds as though you have decided on zt3100 hydros. I think you will be fine with whatever mower you go with.
I feel like a one-eyed cat in a fish market...which one do I want, which one do I want, which one do I want.... I liked the idea behind the steering wheel but i didn't like the 2800's on the one I tried. The one with the 3100's is quite a bit more so I guess I dhould turn away while the gettin is good.
My gut's telling me the snapper. They're supposed to be getting the kawi version in soon. Gotta wait til then
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Shughes717
Lol, the Kawi is a great engine. I know I really like mine.
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Shughes717
I feel like a one-eyed cat in a fish market...which one do I want, which one do I want, which one do I want.... I liked the idea behind the steering wheel but i didn't like the 2800's on the one I tried. The one with the 3100's is quite a bit more so I guess I dhould turn away while the gettin is good.
My gut's telling me the snapper. They're supposed to be getting the kawi version in soon. Gotta wait til then
Lol, the Kawi is a great engine. I know I really like mine.
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Ric
I'll take Lap bars over a steering wheel any day, but as far as the 2800 drives are concerned there good drives for the weight of those machines. CC uses them on there High end residential units along with the commercial grade Kohler engines which IMO are a great engine. I ran both for four years and put over 1400 hrs my Z Force mowers and Never had an issue with either drives or engines.
Basically there's very little difference between the 2800 and 3100 drives, they both use the 10cc variable displacement seven piston pump and a 16cc fixed displacement seven piston motors, they both use or turn a 1 inch axle shaft and there GVW and torque ratings are so close it's not worth mentioning.
Ric
I feel like a one-eyed cat in a fish market...which one do I want, which one do I want, which one do I want.... I liked the idea behind the steering wheel but i didn't like the 2800's on the one I tried. The one with the 3100's is quite a bit more so I guess I dhould turn away while the gettin is good.
My gut's telling me the snapper. They're supposed to be getting the kawi version in soon. Gotta wait til then
I'll take Lap bars over a steering wheel any day, but as far as the 2800 drives are concerned there good drives for the weight of those machines. CC uses them on there High end residential units along with the commercial grade Kohler engines which IMO are a great engine. I ran both for four years and put over 1400 hrs my Z Force mowers and Never had an issue with either drives or engines.
Basically there's very little difference between the 2800 and 3100 drives, they both use the 10cc variable displacement seven piston pump and a 16cc fixed displacement seven piston motors, they both use or turn a 1 inch axle shaft and there GVW and torque ratings are so close it's not worth mentioning.
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Emptyjones
Good to know, thanks Ric. Do you know the diffs btw these and the 3400's?
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Emptyjones
I'll take Lap bars over a steering wheel any day, but as far as the 2800 drives are concerned there good drives for the weight of those machines. CC uses them on there High end residential units along with the commercial grade Kohler engines which IMO are a great engine. I ran both for four years and put over 1400 hrs my Z Force mowers and Never had an issue with either drives or engines.
Basically there's very little difference between the 2800 and 3100 drives, they both use the 10cc variable displacement seven piston pump and a 16cc fixed displacement seven piston motors, they both use or turn a 1 inch axle shaft and there GVW and torque ratings are so close it's not worth mentioning.
Good to know, thanks Ric. Do you know the diffs btw these and the 3400's?
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Ric
The 3400 drives use larger pumps, They use the 12cc variable displacement seven piston pump and the same 16cc fixed displacement seven piston motor with a 1.125 inch shaft. there GVW and torque ratings are some higher. The GVW is greater because there set up for use with a heavier mower along with the rider. I said it before that this drive thing is over rated and doesn't matter as much as people think.
Speed in a ZTR is irrelevant because blades are going to cut at what there rated for and with a commercial unit that's going to be somewhere between 17 an 19000 fpm @ a certain speed and that's all there going to do and any thing any faster is too fast for the blades to keep up with and will only hurt the quality of your cut. The greatest percentage of operators that buy the larger drives like the 5400 and the big Parker drives are the guys that start at 8:00 am and don't finish until 8:00pm the big commercial outfits because they run them extended periods of time, that's what they were designed for. There heavy duty.
A person should buy there mower based on what and the conditions it will be used for and regardless of what some say and do with a ZTR it was designed for mowing and increasing productivity and nothing more. I was doing 70 plus lawns a week with the 2800 drives and they worked flawlessly, the reason I left them and went to the Toro was because of cutting height of the mower, most residential units top out and 3.75 to 4.00 inches with the Commercial I can go 5.25 if I mow in transport and I need the extra cutting height for some of my St. Augustine lawns.
Ric
Good to know, thanks Ric. Do you know the diffs btw these and the 3400's?
The 3400 drives use larger pumps, They use the 12cc variable displacement seven piston pump and the same 16cc fixed displacement seven piston motor with a 1.125 inch shaft. there GVW and torque ratings are some higher. The GVW is greater because there set up for use with a heavier mower along with the rider. I said it before that this drive thing is over rated and doesn't matter as much as people think.
Speed in a ZTR is irrelevant because blades are going to cut at what there rated for and with a commercial unit that's going to be somewhere between 17 an 19000 fpm @ a certain speed and that's all there going to do and any thing any faster is too fast for the blades to keep up with and will only hurt the quality of your cut. The greatest percentage of operators that buy the larger drives like the 5400 and the big Parker drives are the guys that start at 8:00 am and don't finish until 8:00pm the big commercial outfits because they run them extended periods of time, that's what they were designed for. There heavy duty.
A person should buy there mower based on what and the conditions it will be used for and regardless of what some say and do with a ZTR it was designed for mowing and increasing productivity and nothing more. I was doing 70 plus lawns a week with the 2800 drives and they worked flawlessly, the reason I left them and went to the Toro was because of cutting height of the mower, most residential units top out and 3.75 to 4.00 inches with the Commercial I can go 5.25 if I mow in transport and I need the extra cutting height for some of my St. Augustine lawns.
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Shughes717
I understand ric's point about the larger hydros, but I don't entirely agree that there is no benefit with the larger hydros. First, these commercial mowers can mow well up to 10 mph if the grass is mowed regularly. I mow mine at full speed and get a great cut, however, if I go any longer than 7 days between mowing I have to slow down. If the mower has zt3100 hydros or smaller then the top speed is about 7.5 to 8 mph. Two mph faster helps get large jobs done quicker. That is why I can mow my lawn much faster with a 48" deck mower than the previous owner could with his jd mower and a larger deck.
The second thing that may or may not apply to what you want from a mower is the ability to tow things, such as pull behind sprayers, or trailers. The larger hydros increase the tow capacity of the machine. Larger hydros usually come on mowers with wider tires, and are heavier. Mowers with larger hydros handle hills much better than mowers with smaller hydros as well.
The last thing I will point out is, although Ric brought up the point that he got 1400 hours on a mower with smaller hydros, heavy duty hydros are designed for more rugged applications and should last longer. Ask yourself this question (if I had to choose between two mowers of the same price, with the only difference being one having the smaller zt3100 hydros and the other having commercial zt3400 hydros, which one would I choose?). I know which I would choose. You can ask yourself the same question concerning engines.
I will agree with Ric that kohler is a good engine. I had good luck with the ones I have owned. The Kawi engine on my current mower just happens to be the best engine I have ever had on a mower. If someone is only mowing an acre that is flat and doesn't plan on pulling anything then Ric is absolutely right, you won't get much benefit from the larger hydros. If you have several acres and/or plan on doing more than mowing with the machine then the larger hydros would be worth the extra money.
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Shughes717
Good to know, thanks Ric. Do you know the diffs btw these and the 3400's?
I understand ric's point about the larger hydros, but I don't entirely agree that there is no benefit with the larger hydros. First, these commercial mowers can mow well up to 10 mph if the grass is mowed regularly. I mow mine at full speed and get a great cut, however, if I go any longer than 7 days between mowing I have to slow down. If the mower has zt3100 hydros or smaller then the top speed is about 7.5 to 8 mph. Two mph faster helps get large jobs done quicker. That is why I can mow my lawn much faster with a 48" deck mower than the previous owner could with his jd mower and a larger deck.
The second thing that may or may not apply to what you want from a mower is the ability to tow things, such as pull behind sprayers, or trailers. The larger hydros increase the tow capacity of the machine. Larger hydros usually come on mowers with wider tires, and are heavier. Mowers with larger hydros handle hills much better than mowers with smaller hydros as well.
The last thing I will point out is, although Ric brought up the point that he got 1400 hours on a mower with smaller hydros, heavy duty hydros are designed for more rugged applications and should last longer. Ask yourself this question (if I had to choose between two mowers of the same price, with the only difference being one having the smaller zt3100 hydros and the other having commercial zt3400 hydros, which one would I choose?). I know which I would choose. You can ask yourself the same question concerning engines.
I will agree with Ric that kohler is a good engine. I had good luck with the ones I have owned. The Kawi engine on my current mower just happens to be the best engine I have ever had on a mower. If someone is only mowing an acre that is flat and doesn't plan on pulling anything then Ric is absolutely right, you won't get much benefit from the larger hydros. If you have several acres and/or plan on doing more than mowing with the machine then the larger hydros would be worth the extra money.
#42
Carscw
Carscw
You all put to much thinking into this.
If you like how a mower looks, rides, cuts and is in your price range then buy the dang thing.
All this crap over the flipping drives.
I like the sealed units. Just get on and go no filters or fluid to change.
Oh you say they don't last ha ha
My 2006 toro Z480 has well over 4000 hours on it. Have never even replaced the drive belt. I am 250 pounds and drive it up hills most of you would cry about.
I run tires that are 4 inches taller then stock. And yes the little briggs is still going strong.
Top speed 12mph
If you like how a mower looks, rides, cuts and is in your price range then buy the dang thing.
All this crap over the flipping drives.
I like the sealed units. Just get on and go no filters or fluid to change.
Oh you say they don't last ha ha
My 2006 toro Z480 has well over 4000 hours on it. Have never even replaced the drive belt. I am 250 pounds and drive it up hills most of you would cry about.
I run tires that are 4 inches taller then stock. And yes the little briggs is still going strong.
Top speed 12mph
#43
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Emptyjones
You are absolutely correct...I am thinking about this WAAAAAYYYY too much. BUT, I am not overly endowed with cash and would like not to buy a new $4-5000 mower once a decade (as a homeowner, that is). The other thing is I do not have much experience/expertise in the mower industry. Ask me about a piece of heavy equipment and I can tell you in a heart beat whether it is a POS or not (I'm in the heavy civil/earthmoving business). Our equipment tends to last about 10-15,000 hrs before we start looking at retirement or trade in. I know there are varying opinions on brands but, like heavy equipment, the longevity of the equipment is in its build, components and routine maintenance. Then there is the service side of it from the dealer (parts availability, warranty, maintenance programs, etc...). So, I look to you guys for advice on that end... and I appreciate it. I apologize if I am boring you guys or wearing out my welcome.
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Emptyjones
You all put to much thinking into this.
If you like how a mower looks, rides, cuts and is in your price range then buy the dang thing.
All this crap over the flipping drives.
I like the sealed units. Just get on and go no filters or fluid to change.
Oh you say they don't last ha ha
My 2006 toro Z480 has well over 4000 hours on it. Have never even replaced the drive belt. I am 250 pounds and drive it up hills most of you would cry about.
I run tires that are 4 inches taller then stock. And yes the little briggs is still going strong.
Top speed 12mph
You are absolutely correct...I am thinking about this WAAAAAYYYY too much. BUT, I am not overly endowed with cash and would like not to buy a new $4-5000 mower once a decade (as a homeowner, that is). The other thing is I do not have much experience/expertise in the mower industry. Ask me about a piece of heavy equipment and I can tell you in a heart beat whether it is a POS or not (I'm in the heavy civil/earthmoving business). Our equipment tends to last about 10-15,000 hrs before we start looking at retirement or trade in. I know there are varying opinions on brands but, like heavy equipment, the longevity of the equipment is in its build, components and routine maintenance. Then there is the service side of it from the dealer (parts availability, warranty, maintenance programs, etc...). So, I look to you guys for advice on that end... and I appreciate it. I apologize if I am boring you guys or wearing out my welcome.
#44
Carscw
Sorry was really not meant for you.
I cut 100 plus yard a week and do not use commercial mowers.
In your price range I would go with a husqvarna or cub cadet.
They offer the best built mower in your price range.
No fancy crap that you do not need. Just good built mowers.
Carscw
You are absolutely correct...I am thinking about this WAAAAAYYYY too much. BUT, I am not overly endowed with cash and would like not to buy a new $4-5000 mower once a decade (as a homeowner, that is). The other thing is I do not have much experience/expertise in the mower industry. Ask me about a piece of heavy equipment and I can tell you in a heart beat whether it is a POS or not (I'm in the heavy civil/earthmoving business). Our equipment tends to last about 10-15,000 hrs before we start looking at retirement or trade in. I know there are varying opinions on brands but, like heavy equipment, the longevity of the equipment is in its build, components and routine maintenance. Then there is the service side of it from the dealer (parts availability, warranty, maintenance programs, etc...). So, I look to you guys for advice on that end... and I appreciate it. I apologize if I am boring you guys or wearing out my welcome.
Sorry was really not meant for you.
I cut 100 plus yard a week and do not use commercial mowers.
In your price range I would go with a husqvarna or cub cadet.
They offer the best built mower in your price range.
No fancy crap that you do not need. Just good built mowers.
#45
Ric
The laws of physics will tell you the faster your ground speed, the faster the blades have to turn to keep up with it and seeing how blade tip speed comes from an engine rpm that can only run like 3600 rpm or something in that neighborhood I fail to see where Hydros have anything to do with Blade tip speed and how fast you can mow. I mean between 18 and 19000 fpm is just that. The Larger hydros are meant for extended periods of use, not faster mowing speeds. The faster your ground speed the more you decrease your cut quality.
If you want a mower with the ability to tow things, such as pull behind sprayers, or trailers buy a garden tractor, it will do all those things and more better than a ZTR that's what they were designed for a ZTR was designed to mow grass and besides that a GT would be a whole lot cheaper.
When I purchased my Z master I did so knowing I would be mowing approximately 24 hours weekly and knowing that the 3400 drives were designed for lighter applications of 40 to 50 hours weekly, that would be more than sufficient for my type of conditions or the job I am doing. The only thing larger drives would do for me is cost me more money out front, cost me more to maintain and cost me more to run.
If you want to increase your productivity buy a larger deck.
Ric
I understand ric's point about the larger hydros, but I don't entirely agree that there is no benefit with the larger hydros. First, these commercial mowers can mow well up to 10 mph if the grass is mowed regularly. I mow mine at full speed and get a great cut, however, if I go any longer than 7 days between mowing I have to slow down. If the mower has zt3100 hydros or smaller then the top speed is about 7.5 to 8 mph. Two mph faster helps get large jobs done quicker. That is why I can mow my lawn much faster with a 48" deck mower than the previous owner could with his jd mower and a larger deck.
The second thing that may or may not apply to what you want from a mower is the ability to tow things, such as pull behind sprayers, or trailers. The larger hydros increase the tow capacity of the machine. Larger hydros usually come on mowers with wider tires, and are heavier. Mowers with larger hydros handle hills much better than mowers with smaller hydros as well.
The last thing I will point out is, although Ric brought up the point that he got 1400 hours on a mower with smaller hydros, heavy duty hydros are designed for more rugged applications and should last longer. Ask yourself this question (if I had to choose between two mowers of the same price, with the only difference being one having the smaller zt3100 hydros and the other having commercial zt3400 hydros, which one would I choose?). I know which I would choose. You can ask yourself the same question concerning engines.
I will agree with Ric that kohler is a good engine. I had good luck with the ones I have owned. The Kawi engine on my current mower just happens to be the best engine I have ever had on a mower. If someone is only mowing an acre that is flat and doesn't plan on pulling anything then Ric is absolutely right, you won't get much benefit from the larger hydros. If you have several acres and/or plan on doing more than mowing with the machine then the larger hydros would be worth the extra money.
The laws of physics will tell you the faster your ground speed, the faster the blades have to turn to keep up with it and seeing how blade tip speed comes from an engine rpm that can only run like 3600 rpm or something in that neighborhood I fail to see where Hydros have anything to do with Blade tip speed and how fast you can mow. I mean between 18 and 19000 fpm is just that. The Larger hydros are meant for extended periods of use, not faster mowing speeds. The faster your ground speed the more you decrease your cut quality.
If you want a mower with the ability to tow things, such as pull behind sprayers, or trailers buy a garden tractor, it will do all those things and more better than a ZTR that's what they were designed for a ZTR was designed to mow grass and besides that a GT would be a whole lot cheaper.
When I purchased my Z master I did so knowing I would be mowing approximately 24 hours weekly and knowing that the 3400 drives were designed for lighter applications of 40 to 50 hours weekly, that would be more than sufficient for my type of conditions or the job I am doing. The only thing larger drives would do for me is cost me more money out front, cost me more to maintain and cost me more to run.
If you want to increase your productivity buy a larger deck.
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Shughes717
As I mentioned already. I can mow at full speed (10 mph) and get a great cut. I don't need a larger deck. Why buy a gt that is much slower at mowing when I can get a ztr with larger hydros that can pull anything a gt can pull? I want to save time and money that's why the larger hydros suit my needs. As I said in my earlier posts, larger hydros do have benefits for those with more acreage to mow and those who want to pull things. Purchasing a separate gt to pull things won't save money. I also agreed that someone who is only mowing an acre and had no intentions of pulling anything wouldn't benefit much from larger hydros. Heavier built hydros are better. It's no different than the comparison of a residential engine to a commercial. The commercial engine is better. I simply pointed out the advantages. A mower with zt3400 hydros will cut great at full speed and mow circles around a mower with zt3100 hydros. I mow mine every week at that speed and have one of the best looking lawns in my neighborhood. Laws of physics must prove then that a mower with a bts of 18000 to 19000 fpm can mow at 10 mph because my mower does it.
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Shughes717
The laws of physics will tell you the faster your ground speed, the faster the blades have to turn to keep up with it and seeing how blade tip speed comes from an engine rpm that can only run like 3600 rpm or something in that neighborhood I fail to see where Hydros have anything to do with Blade tip speed and how fast you can mow. I mean between 18 and 19000 fpm is just that. The Larger hydros are meant for extended periods of use, not faster mowing speeds. The faster your ground speed the more you decrease your cut quality.
If you want a mower with the ability to tow things, such as pull behind sprayers, or trailers buy a garden tractor, it will do all those things and more better than a ZTR that's what they were designed for a ZTR was designed to mow grass and besides that a GT would be a whole lot cheaper.
When I purchased my Z master I did so knowing I would be mowing approximately 24 hours weekly and knowing that the 3400 drives were designed for lighter applications of 40 to 50 hours weekly, that would be more than sufficient for my type of conditions or the job I am doing. The only thing larger drives would do for me is cost me more money out front, cost me more to maintain and cost me more to run.
If you want to increase your productivity buy a larger deck.
As I mentioned already. I can mow at full speed (10 mph) and get a great cut. I don't need a larger deck. Why buy a gt that is much slower at mowing when I can get a ztr with larger hydros that can pull anything a gt can pull? I want to save time and money that's why the larger hydros suit my needs. As I said in my earlier posts, larger hydros do have benefits for those with more acreage to mow and those who want to pull things. Purchasing a separate gt to pull things won't save money. I also agreed that someone who is only mowing an acre and had no intentions of pulling anything wouldn't benefit much from larger hydros. Heavier built hydros are better. It's no different than the comparison of a residential engine to a commercial. The commercial engine is better. I simply pointed out the advantages. A mower with zt3400 hydros will cut great at full speed and mow circles around a mower with zt3100 hydros. I mow mine every week at that speed and have one of the best looking lawns in my neighborhood. Laws of physics must prove then that a mower with a bts of 18000 to 19000 fpm can mow at 10 mph because my mower does it.
#47
Carscw
Carscw
You are both WRONG.
Where is fish? He would set you on the right path.
Where is fish? He would set you on the right path.
#48
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Dave1954
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Dave1954
Some might get a home grade mower of any brand to cut a 100 yards a week and last forever and that's great, but it is also not the norm, if so there would be no commercial grade mowers. Id rather buy the better built heavy grade than hope for the best. for 5k, you have many choices of great well built mowers. I bought a Husqvarna mzt-52 and I feel it was the best bang for the buck of all I researched.
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Shughes717
That is your opinion. I know what my mower will do because I have been using it for three years. I know what other brands will do because I have used many brands. Any brand mower with zt3400 hydros and a commercial engine will mow 10mph. I also know what a gt will do because I have owned and used many. Never been on one that can even come close to the mowing speeds of these commercial ztr mowers. I understand that you can make a gt last forever. That is a testament to how well you take care of your machines, but a commercial ztr mower is much better built than any residential mower (ztr or gt).
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Shughes717
You are both WRONG.
Where is fish? He would set you on the right path.
That is your opinion. I know what my mower will do because I have been using it for three years. I know what other brands will do because I have used many brands. Any brand mower with zt3400 hydros and a commercial engine will mow 10mph. I also know what a gt will do because I have owned and used many. Never been on one that can even come close to the mowing speeds of these commercial ztr mowers. I understand that you can make a gt last forever. That is a testament to how well you take care of your machines, but a commercial ztr mower is much better built than any residential mower (ztr or gt).
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Emptyjones
No worries, I don't bruise that easy. I just wanted to reiterate why I started this thread to begin with. As of now, I feel the Snapper Pro S50XT is the best deal I've come across with the Kawi Fx, ZT-3100's and that killer iCD deck ($4550). Haven't really checked the Huskies out though.
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Emptyjones
Sorry was really not meant for you.
I cut 100 plus yard a week and do not use commercial mowers.
In your price range I would go with a husqvarna or cub cadet.
They offer the best built mower in your price range.
No fancy crap that you do not need. Just good built mowers.
No worries, I don't bruise that easy. I just wanted to reiterate why I started this thread to begin with. As of now, I feel the Snapper Pro S50XT is the best deal I've come across with the Kawi Fx, ZT-3100's and that killer iCD deck ($4550). Haven't really checked the Huskies out though.
#51
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Shughes717
The husky mzt is a great mower. Has the fs series Kawi and zt3400 hydros in the $5000 to $5500 range. The mz has an fr series engine zt3100 hydros and a thinner 11 gauge deck. It will run in the 4k range. Carscw is probably talking about a gt though. He is a gt fan. If you are looking for a gt Husky does make some good ones. The s50xt is a very good mower. The biggest difference in it and my s150xt is the hydros. There are other small differences such as tire size, but the engine is the same one that's on my mower.
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Shughes717
No worries, I don't bruise that easy. I just wanted to reiterate why I started this thread to begin with. As of now, I feel the Snapper Pro S50XT is the best deal I've come across with the Kawi Fx, ZT-3100's and that killer iCD deck ($4550). Haven't really checked the Huskies out though.
The husky mzt is a great mower. Has the fs series Kawi and zt3400 hydros in the $5000 to $5500 range. The mz has an fr series engine zt3100 hydros and a thinner 11 gauge deck. It will run in the 4k range. Carscw is probably talking about a gt though. He is a gt fan. If you are looking for a gt Husky does make some good ones. The s50xt is a very good mower. The biggest difference in it and my s150xt is the hydros. There are other small differences such as tire size, but the engine is the same one that's on my mower.
#52
Carscw
I am a snapper fan.
I have a older snapper pro and love it.
I do feel that snapper has lowered its standard some.
But I still think they give the best cut.
The s50xt is a good mower.
Take it for a test drive for about 20 mins if you like then get it.
Carscw
No worries, I don't bruise that easy. I just wanted to reiterate why I started this thread to begin with. As of now, I feel the Snapper Pro S50XT is the best deal I've come across with the Kawi Fx, ZT-3100's and that killer iCD deck ($4550). Haven't really checked the Huskies out though.
I am a snapper fan.
I have a older snapper pro and love it.
I do feel that snapper has lowered its standard some.
But I still think they give the best cut.
The s50xt is a good mower.
Take it for a test drive for about 20 mins if you like then get it.
#53
Carscw
Guess I should have said I am being sarcastic.
Carscw
That is your opinion. I know what my mower will do because I have been using it for three years. I know what other brands will do because I have used many brands. Any brand mower with zt3400 hydros and a commercial engine will mow 10mph. I also know what a gt will do because I have owned and used many. Never been on one that can even come close to the mowing speeds of these commercial ztr mowers. I understand that you can make a gt last forever. That is a testament to how well you take care of your machines, but a commercial ztr mower is much better built than any residential mower (ztr or gt).
Guess I should have said I am being sarcastic.
#54
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Shughes717
Nah, just trying to stir a conversation. I guess I should have suggested jd. What do you think? :smile:
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Shughes717
Guess I should have said I am being sarcastic.
Nah, just trying to stir a conversation. I guess I should have suggested jd. What do you think? :smile:
#55
Carscw
Not just one but many.
Why spend twice the money for a mower that will not last any longer or do the job any better.
The past 30 years I have used 100s of mowers. I abuse my mowers more then you could ever imagine.
I have big azz mowers and don't use them.
I see it all the time guys buy the biggest name brand mower they can. Just for show. Their yards don't look any better. They can't mow hills. Leave ruts because they are to heavy.
Have to pull a big trailer. Use a lot of gas.
I cut 18 half acre yards today on a gallon and a half of gas.
Lots of commercial ZTR for sale right now
90% say new engine so many hours ago or new drive motor.
I need a mower that last 5000 hours not one that cost money every few months.
Carscw
Some might get a home grade mower of any brand to cut a 100 yards a week and last forever and that's great, but it is also not the norm, if so there would be no commercial grade mowers. Id rather buy the better built heavy grade than hope for the best. for 5k, you have many choices of great well built mowers. I bought a Husqvarna mzt-52 and I feel it was the best bang for the buck of all I researched.
Not just one but many.
Why spend twice the money for a mower that will not last any longer or do the job any better.
The past 30 years I have used 100s of mowers. I abuse my mowers more then you could ever imagine.
I have big azz mowers and don't use them.
I see it all the time guys buy the biggest name brand mower they can. Just for show. Their yards don't look any better. They can't mow hills. Leave ruts because they are to heavy.
Have to pull a big trailer. Use a lot of gas.
I cut 18 half acre yards today on a gallon and a half of gas.
Lots of commercial ZTR for sale right now
90% say new engine so many hours ago or new drive motor.
I need a mower that last 5000 hours not one that cost money every few months.
#56
Carscw
I got a junk deere the other day. As much as I hate them they sell fast for good money.
It's funny people say they like JD because they make the best engine.
Carscw
Nah, just trying to stir a conversation. I guess I should have suggested jd. What do you think? :smile:
I got a junk deere the other day. As much as I hate them they sell fast for good money.
It's funny people say they like JD because they make the best engine.
#57
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Shughes717
That is funny:laughing:. I must admit they do make good farm equipment though. I do like their commercial mowers. I just can't afford one.
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Shughes717
I got a junk deere the other day. As much as I hate them they sell fast for good money.
It's funny people say they like JD because they make the best engine.
That is funny:laughing:. I must admit they do make good farm equipment though. I do like their commercial mowers. I just can't afford one.
#58
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Dave1954
Able to cut 9 acres on a gallon and a half of gas, (regular I bet ) and 5000 hours of hard problem free use from a cheap home grade mower! its a wonders they can even sell a commercial model :laughing:
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Dave1954
Not just one but many.
Why spend twice the money for a mower that will not last any longer or do the job any better.
The past 30 years I have used 100s of mowers. I abuse my mowers more then you could ever imagine.
I have big azz mowers and don't use them.
I see it all the time guys buy the biggest name brand mower they can. Just for show. Their yards don't look any better. They can't mow hills. Leave ruts because they are to heavy.
Have to pull a big trailer. Use a lot of gas.
I cut 18 half acre yards today on a gallon and a half of gas.
Lots of commercial ZTR for sale right now
90% say new engine so many hours ago or new drive motor.
I need a mower that last 5000 hours not one that cost money every few months.
Able to cut 9 acres on a gallon and a half of gas, (regular I bet ) and 5000 hours of hard problem free use from a cheap home grade mower! its a wonders they can even sell a commercial model :laughing:
#59
Carscw
Jd does make a good heavy duty ZTR.
Not sure If they are worth all the cash they want for them.
Carscw
That is funny:laughing:. I must admit they do make good farm equipment though. I do like their commercial mowers. I just can't afford one.
Jd does make a good heavy duty ZTR.
Not sure If they are worth all the cash they want for them.
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Shughes717
Totally agree.
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Shughes717
Jd does make a good heavy duty ZTR.
Not sure If they are worth all the cash they want for them.
Totally agree.
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Emptyjones
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Emptyjones
Well, I flipped or flopped or whatever. I bought a 2013 John Deere X320 before Christmas. I know a lot of people think they are overrated. I started thinking about my little LT160 and realized that I had that thing for over 13 years and had bought it used at that. I have to admit I am partial to the Green as we have used the big Green stuff for many years on the farm and had pretty good luck with the one little one I had. So this one popped up on CL and was able to get it for $3000. It has 44 hrs on it, 48" deck with mulch kit and the appearance was in exceptional shape. It is built much stouter than the lil LT160 and has the big 22hp kawi and the Tuff Torq K58I tranny. I am satisfied with the purchase and hope I will be at the end of the first mowing season. Anyway, I hope I didn't disappoint too many of you ZT guys but I am only going to be using it for my lawn and just couldn't justify the expense otherwise. Hopefully I'll get another 13 + years out of this one. I'll throw up some pics soon. Thanks for all the input!
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reynoldston
reynoldston
After owning a Ferris I would want anything else. Made right here in New York State USA.. Mine is going on 15 years old and runs and mows as good as the day I bought it. I even did some commercial mowing one year.