First ZT - Gravel Pro Turn 52 - Ferris IS700 - Exmark Pioneer S - Snapper Pro Sx150t

Which Zero Turn would you purchase

  • Ferris IS700Z - 52 inch deck

    Votes: 5 21.7%
  • Snapper PRO s150xt - 52 inch Deck

    Votes: 8 34.8%
  • Exmark Pioneer S Series - 52 inch Deck

    Votes: 2 8.7%
  • Toro Zmaster 2000 Series - 52 inch Deck

    Votes: 3 13.0%
  • Gravely Pro 52 - 52 inch Deck

    Votes: 5 21.7%

  • Total voters
    23

Nwatson99

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  • / First ZT - Gravel Pro Turn 52 - Ferris IS700 - Exmark Pioneer S - Snapper Pro Sx150t
Thought I would chime in here real quick. The reason companies don't have suspension is because of patents held by Ferris. These companies can't just rip off others unique designs and features (Apple vs Samsung). Hustler has flex forks as does Dixie Chopper (sold to them by the patent holding company) and some Scags have a operator suspension system. That being said I have a IS600V and love it. I am located in a Bob-cat dominated area simply because we have an awesome Bob-cat dealer no other reason. Service by the dealer trumps any minor differences in engines,Hydro's, seats or whatever. That's just my 2 cents...good luck on your decision may the best dealer win.

That is not totally accurate.
The patent Ferris holds is only that specific design on their mowers and nothing else, any manufacturer can patent their own suspension system as long is it is not the exact Ferris system.
Now in 10 years from the patent date Ferris's design will be copied and used by others if they want to.
 
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DSepe

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  • / First ZT - Gravel Pro Turn 52 - Ferris IS700 - Exmark Pioneer S - Snapper Pro Sx150t
That is not totally accurate. The patent Ferris holds is only that specific design on their mowers and nothing else, any manufacturer can patent their own suspension system as long is it is not the exact Ferris system. Now in 10 years from the patent date Ferris's design will be copied and used by others if they want to.

As I stated everyone is free to patent whatever they want (I provided examples) as long as its not blatant copying (Apple vs Samsung). I was just replying to the OP wondering why every brand doesn't have giant shocks that look like Ferris on their ZTR mowers. I totally agree with you sir.
 
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DSepe

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  • / First ZT - Gravel Pro Turn 52 - Ferris IS700 - Exmark Pioneer S - Snapper Pro Sx150t
I should have said "the reason companies don't have Ferris looking suspension...." I see my small mistake has cost me dearly and everyone wants to bash me now...enjoy.
 

ddbtdd

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  • / First ZT - Gravel Pro Turn 52 - Ferris IS700 - Exmark Pioneer S - Snapper Pro Sx150t
I should have said "the reason companies don't have Ferris looking suspension...." I see my small mistake has cost me dearly and everyone wants to bash me now...enjoy.

I really don't like bashing but do enjoy jabbing with pointy sticks...
 
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DSepe

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  • / First ZT - Gravel Pro Turn 52 - Ferris IS700 - Exmark Pioneer S - Snapper Pro Sx150t
I really don't like bashing but do enjoy jabbing with pointy sticks...

Hahaha I wasn't directing that at you or Nwatson for that matter. I have adequately explained what I should of said in my other post. I just think it's funny how huffy people get over my opinion. Which was only intended to inform others why ZTRs can't have suspension that looks and mimics the one found on Ferris. I never said it wasn't a gimmick either. I do believe a suspension seat is the best remedy for a bumpy ride.
 
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DJlawnboy

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  • / First ZT - Gravel Pro Turn 52 - Ferris IS700 - Exmark Pioneer S - Snapper Pro Sx150t
That's the first time I have ever heard that other ZTR manufacturers do not install wheel suspension options with the reason being Ferris owns the patent. With Hustler, Scag, Dixie Chopper.....and Bad Boy ZTR's having their own suspension offerings I find it hard to believe that Gravely couldn't design a suspension system that would not infringe on any patent Ferris may have. That's like saying Ford cannot implement a hybrid model car because Toyota holds the patent with the Prius. I tend to agree with user Ric that the reason others don't offer suspension systems is that it is more gimmick than it is functional. Besides, I would guess that the overall design of a ZTR mower lends itself to a better cut with a solid chassis and a floating deck. The BEST way to get a smoother ride on any brand ZTR is to get a good quality full suspension seat(that is after all the only area of a ZTR(the seat) that a operator would notice any difference in the ride.....NOT because the left front tire absorbs a bump. If most other components on the ZTR's you are comparing are similar I would demo them and make sure they have a full suspension seat if mowing for extended periods and ride is important. Like mentioned, dealer choice is as important as specs & price which won't vary much between brands(all of the ZTR's mentioned in this poll are very good machines).

Yeah guys suspensions which have been on cars for a hundred years is a gimmick... better get my suspension seat for my car because it's the only way to absorb BUMPZ!!! No WAYZ a mower could possibly use the same technology! Think before you guys post please.
 

ddbtdd

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  • / First ZT - Gravel Pro Turn 52 - Ferris IS700 - Exmark Pioneer S - Snapper Pro Sx150t
Hahaha I wasn't directing that at you or Nwatson for that matter. I have adequately explained what I should of said in my other post. I just think it's funny how huffy people get over my opinion. Which was only intended to inform others why ZTRs can't have suspension that looks and mimics the one found on Ferris. I never said it wasn't a gimmick either. I do believe a suspension seat is the best remedy for a bumpy ride.

No worries mate!
 
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DSepe

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  • / First ZT - Gravel Pro Turn 52 - Ferris IS700 - Exmark Pioneer S - Snapper Pro Sx150t
Yeah guys suspensions which have been on cars for a hundred years is a gimmick... better get my suspension seat for my car because it's the only way to absorb BUMPZ!!! No WAYZ a mower could possibly use the same technology! Think before you guys post please.

A little harsh but good point. You looking to buy I see...good luck!
 

djdicetn

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  • / First ZT - Gravel Pro Turn 52 - Ferris IS700 - Exmark Pioneer S - Snapper Pro Sx150t
Yeah guys suspensions which have been on cars for a hundred years is a gimmick... better get my suspension seat for my car because it's the only way to absorb BUMPZ!!! No WAYZ a mower could possibly use the same technology! Think before you guys post please.

Your car doesn't have the task of mowing grass evenly.....if it did mow grass it would most likely scalp your lawn badly from one of the 4 corners rising or falling from a bump or valley causing that suspension to move freely at that corner:0)

Meanwhile...we have pretty well trashed the OP's poll thread discussing suspension, so whoever is interested in continuing the debate can volunteer to start a new thread with the title "ZTR Suspension Systems....useful or gimmick":0)

P.S.
User ddbtdd was correct in that Dixon(now owned by Husqvarna) holds the original patent for a zero turn transaxle(bought the patent in 1973 and introduced the first model ZTR-1 zero turn mower in 1974). Now this could become yet another "debate" as owners of other ZTR's(I think Hustler owners are good about this) purport to be the first ZTR. Please start another thread should you want to discuss/debate this tidbit of info:0)
 

edd

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  • / First ZT - Gravel Pro Turn 52 - Ferris IS700 - Exmark Pioneer S - Snapper Pro Sx150t
back to snapper pro-----never paid much attention to them until reading specs and saw the zt 5400 trans on the sx150 and sx200 models....went and drove a 200 and was dissapointed that it did not go as fast as i thought it would [ 10 mph ].....told dealer and he could not understand either......anyway he is getting more in within 2 weeks and i am going back.....maybe the hydto was not warmed up or something.....i know it was not 10 mph because i had just drove a bobcat fastcat and it is 10 mph and was much faster......what i see in snapper pro is a solid built mower with a good looking deck and many options to choose from on engines......dealer told me 6000 out the door on a 52 inch s150xt with 26 horse vanguard......if the speed issue can be worked out i am seriously considering it......icd is same deck as ferris because they are basically the same company
 
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