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First ZT - Gravel Pro Turn 52 - Ferris IS700 - Exmark Pioneer S - Snapper Pro Sx150t
#1
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captain ron
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captain ron
Hi All -
I've been reading the forum for a while doing some research on my own, as you can see by the table below. I've narrowed it down to these ones, but wanted to get some real feedback from real users. I have a 3 acres or so to mow, and it can be somewhat bumpy in areas. I'm looking at these high quality entry level commercial machines for years of good service. The pricing seems to be in about the same arena for the most of them here. All have reputable dealers in the area...Scag, Hustler, JD I eliminated because the dealer is too far away or the dealer didn't seem to be the right "fit" if you will. I haven't had a chance as of yet to actually test drive the Gravely and Toro, but know they are quality machines. Not so worried about striping, but want a nice clean cut. I try to mow when its not too wet, but you know how the Midwest is that isn't always an option if you don't want to wait to the point of needing a hay baler. I have a good acre out in the front of the house that I don't want to have to mow twice just to clean up dry grass. I've been looking at the Kaw on all the engines, but see the Ferris and Gravely using the FS series vs the FX here. Not sure if this is a real deal breaker to be honest, but see that top end systems are using the the FX models. Also seen some differences in the hyrdos used on the systems, again not sure how big of deal that is as I know most of the hydros are proven here.
I know that Gravely's are supposed to be great machines, although a little disappointed that the warranty is a little less than others. The Pro 152 bring the price up about 1k, but you get the FX engine and 3400 series Hydros. I'm not sure if the Pro 52 has a true suspension seat or if that requires the Pro 152, the website wasn't clear and I forgot to ask.
I called late to the Toro shop (closing time before the holiday weekend) so couldn't get the final price on the 2000 series machine assuming its close to others. (I will update once I get it here)
Also looking for some feedback on over all ride, I know the Ferris has suspension, but looks like some other posters have called it a gimmick on the lower series (like 600 and 700 series). Also if anyone has some comparable price points on these systems trying to make sure I'm getting a good deal. Not multiple dealerships close to me with most brands, so only one show in town.
I haven't heard much about Snapper Pro before starting the research, but the price point seem excellent for the deck, engine and hyrdros. Worried that something else is missing in the equation given the pricing. Ferris and Snapper are the one area where I do have two dealers (both selling both units). One dealer seemed to talk the Snapper and Ferris both up as great machines. Where as the other dealer was leaning more towards the Ferris unit, and said that they don't sell much of the Snapper unless they get into the S200xt unit. This particular dealer has 3 dealerships and said they can't keep the IS700Z in stock during this mowing season.
The last thing I had read and again not sure the accuracy is that the Toro and Exmark are the same unit almost, but use a different deck (Ultracut vs Turbo Force)
*All prices pre-tax not OTD.
I've been reading the forum for a while doing some research on my own, as you can see by the table below. I've narrowed it down to these ones, but wanted to get some real feedback from real users. I have a 3 acres or so to mow, and it can be somewhat bumpy in areas. I'm looking at these high quality entry level commercial machines for years of good service. The pricing seems to be in about the same arena for the most of them here. All have reputable dealers in the area...Scag, Hustler, JD I eliminated because the dealer is too far away or the dealer didn't seem to be the right "fit" if you will. I haven't had a chance as of yet to actually test drive the Gravely and Toro, but know they are quality machines. Not so worried about striping, but want a nice clean cut. I try to mow when its not too wet, but you know how the Midwest is that isn't always an option if you don't want to wait to the point of needing a hay baler. I have a good acre out in the front of the house that I don't want to have to mow twice just to clean up dry grass. I've been looking at the Kaw on all the engines, but see the Ferris and Gravely using the FS series vs the FX here. Not sure if this is a real deal breaker to be honest, but see that top end systems are using the the FX models. Also seen some differences in the hyrdos used on the systems, again not sure how big of deal that is as I know most of the hydros are proven here.
I know that Gravely's are supposed to be great machines, although a little disappointed that the warranty is a little less than others. The Pro 152 bring the price up about 1k, but you get the FX engine and 3400 series Hydros. I'm not sure if the Pro 52 has a true suspension seat or if that requires the Pro 152, the website wasn't clear and I forgot to ask.
I called late to the Toro shop (closing time before the holiday weekend) so couldn't get the final price on the 2000 series machine assuming its close to others. (I will update once I get it here)
Also looking for some feedback on over all ride, I know the Ferris has suspension, but looks like some other posters have called it a gimmick on the lower series (like 600 and 700 series). Also if anyone has some comparable price points on these systems trying to make sure I'm getting a good deal. Not multiple dealerships close to me with most brands, so only one show in town.
I haven't heard much about Snapper Pro before starting the research, but the price point seem excellent for the deck, engine and hyrdros. Worried that something else is missing in the equation given the pricing. Ferris and Snapper are the one area where I do have two dealers (both selling both units). One dealer seemed to talk the Snapper and Ferris both up as great machines. Where as the other dealer was leaning more towards the Ferris unit, and said that they don't sell much of the Snapper unless they get into the S200xt unit. This particular dealer has 3 dealerships and said they can't keep the IS700Z in stock during this mowing season.
The last thing I had read and again not sure the accuracy is that the Toro and Exmark are the same unit almost, but use a different deck (Ultracut vs Turbo Force)
*All prices pre-tax not OTD.
| Mower | Model | Deck | Engine | Engine HP | Hydros | Warranty | Warranty Engine | Base Price |
| Ferris | IS700z | 52inch ICD | FS691V | 23 | 3400 | 4 years 500 hours | 3 years | 6000 |
| Snapper PRO | 150XT | 52inch ICD | FX730V | 24 | 5400 | 4 years 500 hours | 3 Years | 6400 |
| Exmark | Pioneer S-Series | 52inch UltraCut 3 | FX691V | 22 | 3100 | 4 years 500 hours | 6600 | |
| Toro | Z Master 2000 | 52inch Turbo Force | FX691V | 22 | 3400 | 4 years 500 hours | pending | |
| Gravely | Pro 52 | 52inch | FS691V | 23 | 3200 | 3 Years | 3 Years | 6300 |
#2
Ric
I think if I were you I'd check around the area and talk to some professional lawncare outfits and get there opinions as well as opinions from here, see what there using and buy what they say if you want a good mower. I personally don't see the pros here using Gravely, Ferris or Snapper mowers. The businesses here are using Exmark Toro and Scag and a few Hustlers. Toro purchased Exmark in 1996 I believe that date is right so they have been making the Exmark for a while that's the reason for the similarity in mowers with the only real differences being the decks, the Turbo Force being the best cutting deck between the two. AS far as the Gravely, Ferris and Snapper goes, they never made much headway in the commercial market. So that in itself told me to forget them when I was buying.
As far as the FS vs the FX engine both are used on commercial machines and are both great engines, you wont go wrong with either one.
Ric
I know that Gravely's are supposed to be great machines, although a little disappointed that the warranty is a little less than others. The Pro 152 bring the price up about 1k, but you get the FX engine and 3400 series Hydros. I'm not sure if the Pro 52 has a true suspension seat or if that requires the Pro 152, the website wasn't clear and I forgot to ask.
I called late to the Toro shop (closing time before the holiday weekend) so couldn't get the final price on the 2000 series machine assuming its close to others. (I will update once I get it here)
Also looking for some feedback on over all ride, I know the Ferris has suspension, but looks like some other posters have called it a gimmick on the lower series (like 600 and 700 series). Also if anyone has some comparable price points on these systems trying to make sure I'm getting a good deal. Not multiple dealerships close to me with most brands, so only one show in town.
I haven't heard much about Snapper Pro before starting the research, but the price point seem excellent for the deck, engine and hyrdros. Worried that something else is missing in the equation given the pricing. Ferris and Snapper are the one area where I do have two dealers (both selling both units). One dealer seemed to talk the Snapper and Ferris both up as great machines. Where as the other dealer was leaning more towards the Ferris unit, and said that they don't sell much of the Snapper unless they get into the S200xt unit. This particular dealer has 3 dealerships and said they can't keep the IS700Z in stock during this mowing season.
The last thing I had read and again not sure the accuracy is that the Toro and Exmark are the same unit almost, but use a different deck (Ultracut vs Turbo Force)
I think if I were you I'd check around the area and talk to some professional lawncare outfits and get there opinions as well as opinions from here, see what there using and buy what they say if you want a good mower. I personally don't see the pros here using Gravely, Ferris or Snapper mowers. The businesses here are using Exmark Toro and Scag and a few Hustlers. Toro purchased Exmark in 1996 I believe that date is right so they have been making the Exmark for a while that's the reason for the similarity in mowers with the only real differences being the decks, the Turbo Force being the best cutting deck between the two. AS far as the Gravely, Ferris and Snapper goes, they never made much headway in the commercial market. So that in itself told me to forget them when I was buying.
As far as the FS vs the FX engine both are used on commercial machines and are both great engines, you wont go wrong with either one.
#3
Vanousb
Vanousb
All the mowers on the list are solid. I just purchased a pioneer s-series. Looked at 52 and 60 inch. Decided to go with the 60 inch cut. Larger tires, more engine 27 hp, better deck, 7 gal gas tank, little more torque, etc. I feel enough upgrades for the difference in cost to me. But to each there own. Pioneer S-Series is all most (and for some it is considered) commercial. I felt the Exmark was the best ride of all listed. Have not been disappointed. Mow 3 acres with plans to mow more for a long time.
#4
Nwatson99
Nwatson99
Get you a JD, heck you being in Il they are everywhere and not hard to find.
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edd
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edd
based on specs the snapper pro is the hands down winner.......was quoted 6150 from SLE in nashville......5400 transmission is what they put on the gravely 460 and scag turf tiger......snapper pro offers about 8 different engine choices
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captain ron
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captain ron
Vanousb -
Just curious what did you get out the door for on your Exmark? Did you get the Kawasaki engine or the Kohler? I see they have rebate on the Kohler 60" Pioneer S series $500 off and a free suspension seat upgrade.
They list the engine as the Kohler ZX740 V Twin in the book I have from the dealer, but I can't seem to match that up to any engine on the Kohler site.
Just curious what did you get out the door for on your Exmark? Did you get the Kawasaki engine or the Kohler? I see they have rebate on the Kohler 60" Pioneer S series $500 off and a free suspension seat upgrade.
They list the engine as the Kohler ZX740 V Twin in the book I have from the dealer, but I can't seem to match that up to any engine on the Kohler site.
#7
Vanousb
Out the door at 6999 for Pioneer S-Series 60 inch. I got the CV740-3138 Kohler 27 hp motor. The 500 rebate will apply to all the Pioneer E and S series mowers, BUT the seat only comes on a certain model 60 inch model. The model number has "SS" at the end (Model PNS740KC604SS). Based on the engine hours. My dealer told me I could get one, but the engine for the seat we a 500 hour engine model. I choose model with engine that gave 1800 hour engine. If you look you will find varied ending number after the CV740... CV740-0008, CV740-0017, etc. Mine is CV740-3138 725cc. Believe that is what he was referring to. Still got 500 rebate, better model of engine at (1800 hours). Mine came with "comfort suspension seat". Rides better than others I tried out (Gravely, bad boy, dixie). Would still like to try out full suspension seat though.
Vanousb
Vanousb -
Just curious what did you get out the door for on your Exmark? Did you get the Kawasaki engine or the Kohler? I see they have rebate on the Kohler 60" Pioneer S series $500 off and a free suspension seat upgrade.
They list the engine as the Kohler ZX740 V Twin in the book I have from the dealer, but I can't seem to match that up to any engine on the Kohler site.
Out the door at 6999 for Pioneer S-Series 60 inch. I got the CV740-3138 Kohler 27 hp motor. The 500 rebate will apply to all the Pioneer E and S series mowers, BUT the seat only comes on a certain model 60 inch model. The model number has "SS" at the end (Model PNS740KC604SS). Based on the engine hours. My dealer told me I could get one, but the engine for the seat we a 500 hour engine model. I choose model with engine that gave 1800 hour engine. If you look you will find varied ending number after the CV740... CV740-0008, CV740-0017, etc. Mine is CV740-3138 725cc. Believe that is what he was referring to. Still got 500 rebate, better model of engine at (1800 hours). Mine came with "comfort suspension seat". Rides better than others I tried out (Gravely, bad boy, dixie). Would still like to try out full suspension seat though.
#8
djdicetn
You are correct...the Pro-Turn 52 has the upgraded seat with isolators and dampeners and the Pro-Turn 152 has the full suspension seat. I would recommend the upgrade to the 152, not simply because I own one but because of the 7gauge X-Factor deck and other improvements(including what you listed). Of the other mowers you listed the Gravely Pro-Turn 152 would be comparable to the Toro Z-Master, but really more in line with the 3000 series. In regard to riding comfort, you are better off looking for a full suspension seat rather than the ZTR "suspension". I was lucky enough to get a great deal on my 2012 Pro-Turn152($6,800 OTD) but I wouldn't trade it for ANY of the other ZTR's you listed.
djdicetn
Hi All -
I know that Gravely's are supposed to be great machines, although a little disappointed that the warranty is a little less than others. The Pro 152 bring the price up about 1k, but you get the FX engine and 3400 series Hydros. I'm not sure if the Pro 52 has a true suspension seat or if that requires the Pro 152, the website wasn't clear and I forgot to ask.
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You are correct...the Pro-Turn 52 has the upgraded seat with isolators and dampeners and the Pro-Turn 152 has the full suspension seat. I would recommend the upgrade to the 152, not simply because I own one but because of the 7gauge X-Factor deck and other improvements(including what you listed). Of the other mowers you listed the Gravely Pro-Turn 152 would be comparable to the Toro Z-Master, but really more in line with the 3000 series. In regard to riding comfort, you are better off looking for a full suspension seat rather than the ZTR "suspension". I was lucky enough to get a great deal on my 2012 Pro-Turn152($6,800 OTD) but I wouldn't trade it for ANY of the other ZTR's you listed.
#9
Vanousb
Vanousb
And survey says.... each has their own preferences. All good.
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captain ron
Thanks for the feedback Djdicetn - Gravely doesn't specifically call out there deck on the website, does the pro-turn 52 have a x-factor deck as well...its just the gauge on the Pro-152 is thicker? That's a great price I could see why you went that way, from the website that directs you to the dealer site it shows that unit closer to $7,500 sales price with MSRP in the 8k range. I have not spoke to the dealer about that unit to see if that is the actual price point they are selling at, so will have to see where they are. I would agree from a pricing perspective that unit starts to kick into the next class of units from all the manufactures I listed: like a Toro 3000, Exmark Lazer Z, Ferris 2100. This is the feedback I was looking for from real users to say hey for a couple hundred more this is well worth and here's why. I'm hoping to get there to do some test drives this week, so I'll report back as I continue the selection process
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captain ron
You are correct...the Pro-Turn 52 has the upgraded seat with isolators and dampeners and the Pro-Turn 152 has the full suspension seat. I would recommend the upgrade to the 152, not simply because I own one but because of the 7gauge X-Factor deck and other improvements(including what you listed). Of the other mowers you listed the Gravely Pro-Turn 152 would be comparable to the Toro Z-Master, but really more in line with the 3000 series. In regard to riding comfort, you are better off looking for a full suspension seat rather than the ZTR "suspension". I was lucky enough to get a great deal on my 2012 Pro-Turn152($6,800 OTD) but I wouldn't trade it for ANY of the other ZTR's you listed.
Thanks for the feedback Djdicetn - Gravely doesn't specifically call out there deck on the website, does the pro-turn 52 have a x-factor deck as well...its just the gauge on the Pro-152 is thicker? That's a great price I could see why you went that way, from the website that directs you to the dealer site it shows that unit closer to $7,500 sales price with MSRP in the 8k range. I have not spoke to the dealer about that unit to see if that is the actual price point they are selling at, so will have to see where they are. I would agree from a pricing perspective that unit starts to kick into the next class of units from all the manufactures I listed: like a Toro 3000, Exmark Lazer Z, Ferris 2100. This is the feedback I was looking for from real users to say hey for a couple hundred more this is well worth and here's why. I'm hoping to get there to do some test drives this week, so I'll report back as I continue the selection process
#11
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captain ron
Yes its a dead heat!
Your feedback, dj's, ric ,ed , etc. is exactly what I was hoping to get from this post. That look at this unit for a few hundred more in the brand your getting all this. Sales folks can say that too, but here I'm taking as more re-world usage vs just sales.
I don't know many commercial mowers here in town, but as others have said I have kept an eye what people have on their trailers. I will say this most that I have seen are Red, which makes it sometimes hard to tell which kind it is!
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captain ron
And survey says.... each has their own preferences. All good.
Yes its a dead heat!
Your feedback, dj's, ric ,ed , etc. is exactly what I was hoping to get from this post. That look at this unit for a few hundred more in the brand your getting all this. Sales folks can say that too, but here I'm taking as more re-world usage vs just sales.
I don't know many commercial mowers here in town, but as others have said I have kept an eye what people have on their trailers. I will say this most that I have seen are Red, which makes it sometimes hard to tell which kind it is!
#12
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captain ron
Van to follow-up another question is yours a 2014 model? In looking at the 2014 sales manual it shows only two Kohler engines listed for the 60" unit both show as a Kohler ZX740, which when I look in the matrix in the back of the manual I think the ZX is a typo and they list them as Kohler ZT740 there. Looking at the Kohler website it shows those as 25 hp units. Maybe they can still be ordered with other engines like what you got even thought its not listed in the sales material?
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captain ron
Out the door at 6999 for Pioneer S-Series 60 inch. I got the CV740-3138 Kohler 27 hp motor. The 500 rebate will apply to all the Pioneer E and S series mowers, BUT the seat only comes on a certain model 60 inch model. The model number has "SS" at the end (Model PNS740KC604SS). Based on the engine hours. My dealer told me I could get one, but the engine for the seat we a 500 hour engine model. I choose model with engine that gave 1800 hour engine. If you look you will find varied ending number after the CV740... CV740-0008, CV740-0017, etc. Mine is CV740-3138 725cc. Believe that is what he was referring to. Still got 500 rebate, better model of engine at (1800 hours). Mine came with "comfort suspension seat". Rides better than others I tried out (Gravely, bad boy, dixie). Would still like to try out full suspension seat though.
Van to follow-up another question is yours a 2014 model? In looking at the 2014 sales manual it shows only two Kohler engines listed for the 60" unit both show as a Kohler ZX740, which when I look in the matrix in the back of the manual I think the ZX is a typo and they list them as Kohler ZT740 there. Looking at the Kohler website it shows those as 25 hp units. Maybe they can still be ordered with other engines like what you got even thought its not listed in the sales material?
#13
djdicetn
The base Pro-Turn was introduced in 2013 as the Gravely entry-level commercial ZTR and was not available when I bought my 2012 Pro-Turn 152(which up until 2013 was considered the entry-level commercial...even though the ZT HD carries a "Commercial Warranty" in addition to it's Residential Warranty). I, like you, think Gravely needs to be a little more competitive with their warranty period(my 2012 Warranty states 3 years/1,000 hours) because the machines are solid enogh for a 5 year warranty easily. It's hard to tell on the Gravely website which only states that the base Pro-Turn has a 10gauge deck with 7gauge spindle reinforcements(and the pictures don't help), but if you look at one it will have an "X-Factor" decal on the top of the deck opposite from the discharge chute. Yep, seems like all ZTR's have had price increases over the last few years(the MSRP on mine in 2012 was $7,199 and the 2013 was $7,499). I bought late September of 2012(just before the dealer was to take delivery of the 2013 models) so I made an offer to take his last 2012 model Pro-Turn 100 XDZ off his hands. When he accepted my offer(basically approx. $1500 off the MSRP of the same ZTR for 2013) I didn't hesitate and have never looked back. This ZTR will outlive me!!!
djdicetn
Thanks for the feedback Djdicetn - Gravely doesn't specifically call out there deck on the website, does the pro-turn 52 have a x-factor deck as well...its just the gauge on the Pro-152 is thicker? That's a great price I could see why you went that way, from the website that directs you to the dealer site it shows that unit closer to $7,500 sales price with MSRP in the 8k range. I have not spoke to the dealer about that unit to see if that is the actual price point they are selling at, so will have to see where they are. I would agree from a pricing perspective that unit starts to kick into the next class of units from all the manufactures I listed: like a Toro 3000, Exmark Lazer Z, Ferris 2100. This is the feedback I was looking for from real users to say hey for a couple hundred more this is well worth and here's why. I'm hoping to get there to do some test drives this week, so I'll report back as I continue the selection process
The base Pro-Turn was introduced in 2013 as the Gravely entry-level commercial ZTR and was not available when I bought my 2012 Pro-Turn 152(which up until 2013 was considered the entry-level commercial...even though the ZT HD carries a "Commercial Warranty" in addition to it's Residential Warranty). I, like you, think Gravely needs to be a little more competitive with their warranty period(my 2012 Warranty states 3 years/1,000 hours) because the machines are solid enogh for a 5 year warranty easily. It's hard to tell on the Gravely website which only states that the base Pro-Turn has a 10gauge deck with 7gauge spindle reinforcements(and the pictures don't help), but if you look at one it will have an "X-Factor" decal on the top of the deck opposite from the discharge chute. Yep, seems like all ZTR's have had price increases over the last few years(the MSRP on mine in 2012 was $7,199 and the 2013 was $7,499). I bought late September of 2012(just before the dealer was to take delivery of the 2013 models) so I made an offer to take his last 2012 model Pro-Turn 100 XDZ off his hands. When he accepted my offer(basically approx. $1500 off the MSRP of the same ZTR for 2013) I didn't hesitate and have never looked back. This ZTR will outlive me!!!
#14
Vanousb
My model is new 2013 with the CV740-3138 Kohler.27hp
Vanousb
Van to follow-up another question is yours a 2014 model? In looking at the 2014 sales manual it shows only two Kohler engines listed for the 60" unit both show as a Kohler ZX740, which when I look in the matrix in the back of the manual I think the ZX is a typo and they list them as Kohler ZT740 there. Looking at the Kohler website it shows those as 25 hp units. Maybe they can still be ordered with other engines like what you got even thought its not listed in the sales material?
My model is new 2013 with the CV740-3138 Kohler.27hp
#15
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captain ron
Edd do you have some experience with the snapper pro line? I haven't found anyone with any real knowledge of it outside of the dealers, that has been my only hesitation. The one dealer was pushing me harder towards the ferris line vs Snapper, but honestly at points I felt like I knew more about it from online reading then he did. His big point was that the Snapper is a solid frame and that the Ferris was a suspension frame. My thought was that Ferris is the only suspension frame, so I can't believe all the other manufactures aren't making it work. The warranty is great, the parts are great (5400 Hyrdos and FX engine), pricing seems to be great, but I just keep wondering if I missing something. People have said the ICD is very good cutting deck, maybe not as good as the toro or scag deck, but that part seems solid too. I need to try it again with focus on the ride, from what I have read on here and online there isn't a suspension seat available. Thanks for the heads up on SLE looks like they carry some other lines (Ferris, Toro, Snapper Pro) as well and offer delivery.
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captain ron
based on specs the snapper pro is the hands down winner.......was quoted 6150 from SLE in nashville......5400 transmission is what they put on the gravely 460 and scag turf tiger......snapper pro offers about 8 different engine choices
Edd do you have some experience with the snapper pro line? I haven't found anyone with any real knowledge of it outside of the dealers, that has been my only hesitation. The one dealer was pushing me harder towards the ferris line vs Snapper, but honestly at points I felt like I knew more about it from online reading then he did. His big point was that the Snapper is a solid frame and that the Ferris was a suspension frame. My thought was that Ferris is the only suspension frame, so I can't believe all the other manufactures aren't making it work. The warranty is great, the parts are great (5400 Hyrdos and FX engine), pricing seems to be great, but I just keep wondering if I missing something. People have said the ICD is very good cutting deck, maybe not as good as the toro or scag deck, but that part seems solid too. I need to try it again with focus on the ride, from what I have read on here and online there isn't a suspension seat available. Thanks for the heads up on SLE looks like they carry some other lines (Ferris, Toro, Snapper Pro) as well and offer delivery.
#16
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ddbtdd
Absolutely correct.
Don't just choose your ztr by the color of paint or what the salesman tells you. Look at the specs and the price. Ztrs are mostly premade components. Everyone makes a great ztr until it breaks down.
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ddbtdd
based on specs the snapper pro is the hands down winner.......was quoted 6150 from SLE in nashville......5400 transmission is what they put on the gravely 460 and scag turf tiger......snapper pro offers about 8 different engine choices
Absolutely correct.
Don't just choose your ztr by the color of paint or what the salesman tells you. Look at the specs and the price. Ztrs are mostly premade components. Everyone makes a great ztr until it breaks down.
#17
Ric
You can't always base everything with a ZTR on specifications. You say you haven't found anyone with any real knowledge of Snapper outside of the dealers, well have you asked why that is? It's because of two things, one being the professionals are not using them in any amount and two, with there cost the homeowner not willing to spend that amount of money to mow a or his yard especially when the homeowner can buy a really good ztr for half that cost.
You say my thought was that Ferris is the only suspension frame, so I can't believe all the other manufactures aren't making it work. I think that pretty much answers your own question, in the fact that other manufacturers aren't making it work because it may not be what it's cracked up to be.
I think there are two things you need to look at when purchasing a mower, 1 Warranty, you need to get a mower that has the best warranty available and 2 is a Dealer with a service department that can back it up.
Ric
Edd do you have some experience with the snapper pro line? I haven't found anyone with any real knowledge of it outside of the dealers, that has been my only hesitation. The one dealer was pushing me harder towards the ferris line vs Snapper, but honestly at points I felt like I knew more about it from online reading then he did. His big point was that the Snapper is a solid frame and that the Ferris was a suspension frame. My thought was that Ferris is the only suspension frame, so I can't believe all the other manufactures aren't making it work. The warranty is great, the parts are great (5400 Hyrdos and FX engine), pricing seems to be great, but I just keep wondering if I missing something. People have said the ICD is very good cutting deck, maybe not as good as the toro or scag deck, but that part seems solid too. I need to try it again with focus on the ride, from what I have read on here and online there isn't a suspension seat available. Thanks for the heads up on SLE looks like they carry some other lines (Ferris, Toro, Snapper Pro) as well and offer delivery.
You can't always base everything with a ZTR on specifications. You say you haven't found anyone with any real knowledge of Snapper outside of the dealers, well have you asked why that is? It's because of two things, one being the professionals are not using them in any amount and two, with there cost the homeowner not willing to spend that amount of money to mow a or his yard especially when the homeowner can buy a really good ztr for half that cost.
You say my thought was that Ferris is the only suspension frame, so I can't believe all the other manufactures aren't making it work. I think that pretty much answers your own question, in the fact that other manufacturers aren't making it work because it may not be what it's cracked up to be.
I think there are two things you need to look at when purchasing a mower, 1 Warranty, you need to get a mower that has the best warranty available and 2 is a Dealer with a service department that can back it up.
#18
DSepe
Thought I would chime in here real quick. The reason companies don't have suspension is because of patents held by Ferris. These companies can't just rip off others unique designs and features (Apple vs Samsung). Hustler has flex forks as does Dixie Chopper (sold to them by the patent holding company) and some Scags have a operator suspension system. That being said I have a IS600V and love it. I am located in a Bob-cat dominated area simply because we have an awesome Bob-cat dealer no other reason. Service by the dealer trumps any minor differences in engines,Hydro's, seats or whatever. That's just my 2 cents...good luck on your decision may the best dealer win.
DSepe
Edd do you have some experience with the snapper pro line? I haven't found anyone with any real knowledge of it outside of the dealers, that has been my only hesitation. The one dealer was pushing me harder towards the ferris line vs Snapper, but honestly at points I felt like I knew more about it from online reading then he did. His big point was that the Snapper is a solid frame and that the Ferris was a suspension frame. My thought was that Ferris is the only suspension frame, so I can't believe all the other manufactures aren't making it work. The warranty is great, the parts are great (5400 Hyrdos and FX engine), pricing seems to be great, but I just keep wondering if I missing something. People have said the ICD is very good cutting deck, maybe not as good as the toro or scag deck, but that part seems solid too. I need to try it again with focus on the ride, from what I have read on here and online there isn't a suspension seat available. Thanks for the heads up on SLE looks like they carry some other lines (Ferris, Toro, Snapper Pro) as well and offer delivery.
Thought I would chime in here real quick. The reason companies don't have suspension is because of patents held by Ferris. These companies can't just rip off others unique designs and features (Apple vs Samsung). Hustler has flex forks as does Dixie Chopper (sold to them by the patent holding company) and some Scags have a operator suspension system. That being said I have a IS600V and love it. I am located in a Bob-cat dominated area simply because we have an awesome Bob-cat dealer no other reason. Service by the dealer trumps any minor differences in engines,Hydro's, seats or whatever. That's just my 2 cents...good luck on your decision may the best dealer win.
#19
djdicetn
That's the first time I have ever heard that other ZTR manufacturers do not install wheel suspension options with the reason being Ferris owns the patent. With Hustler, Scag, Dixie Chopper.....and Bad Boy ZTR's having their own suspension offerings I find it hard to believe that Gravely couldn't design a suspension system that would not infringe on any patent Ferris may have. That's like saying Ford cannot implement a hybrid model car because Toyota holds the patent with the Prius. I tend to agree with user Ric that the reason others don't offer suspension systems is that it is more gimmick than it is functional. Besides, I would guess that the overall design of a ZTR mower lends itself to a better cut with a solid chassis and a floating deck. The BEST way to get a smoother ride on any brand ZTR is to get a good quality full suspension seat(that is after all the only area of a ZTR(the seat) that a operator would notice any difference in the ride.....NOT because the left front tire absorbs a bump. If most other components on the ZTR's you are comparing are similar I would demo them and make sure they have a full suspension seat if mowing for extended periods and ride is important. Like mentioned, dealer choice is as important as specs & price which won't vary much between brands(all of the ZTR's mentioned in this poll are very good machines).
djdicetn
Thought I would chime in here real quick. The reason companies don't have suspension is because of patents held by Ferris. These companies can't just rip off others unique designs and features (Apple vs Samsung). Hustler has flex forks as does Dixie Chopper (sold to them by the patent holding company) and some Scags have a operator suspension system. That being said I have a IS600V and love it. I am located in a Bob-cat dominated area simply because we have an awesome Bob-cat dealer no other reason. Service by the dealer trumps any minor differences in engines,Hydro's, seats or whatever. That's just my 2 cents...good luck on your decision may the best dealer win.
That's the first time I have ever heard that other ZTR manufacturers do not install wheel suspension options with the reason being Ferris owns the patent. With Hustler, Scag, Dixie Chopper.....and Bad Boy ZTR's having their own suspension offerings I find it hard to believe that Gravely couldn't design a suspension system that would not infringe on any patent Ferris may have. That's like saying Ford cannot implement a hybrid model car because Toyota holds the patent with the Prius. I tend to agree with user Ric that the reason others don't offer suspension systems is that it is more gimmick than it is functional. Besides, I would guess that the overall design of a ZTR mower lends itself to a better cut with a solid chassis and a floating deck. The BEST way to get a smoother ride on any brand ZTR is to get a good quality full suspension seat(that is after all the only area of a ZTR(the seat) that a operator would notice any difference in the ride.....NOT because the left front tire absorbs a bump. If most other components on the ZTR's you are comparing are similar I would demo them and make sure they have a full suspension seat if mowing for extended periods and ride is important. Like mentioned, dealer choice is as important as specs & price which won't vary much between brands(all of the ZTR's mentioned in this poll are very good machines).
#20
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Ferris may well hold the patent on suspension but that doesn't keep others from using their suspension short of paying a royalty to Ferris (or Briggs).
I believe one company that builds ztr's - Husqvarna - owns the zero turn patent and that doesn't stop anyone else from building them.
I believe one company that builds ztr's - Husqvarna - owns the zero turn patent and that doesn't stop anyone else from building them.
#21
Nwatson99
That is not totally accurate.
The patent Ferris holds is only that specific design on their mowers and nothing else, any manufacturer can patent their own suspension system as long is it is not the exact Ferris system.
Now in 10 years from the patent date Ferris's design will be copied and used by others if they want to.
Nwatson99
Thought I would chime in here real quick. The reason companies don't have suspension is because of patents held by Ferris. These companies can't just rip off others unique designs and features (Apple vs Samsung). Hustler has flex forks as does Dixie Chopper (sold to them by the patent holding company) and some Scags have a operator suspension system. That being said I have a IS600V and love it. I am located in a Bob-cat dominated area simply because we have an awesome Bob-cat dealer no other reason. Service by the dealer trumps any minor differences in engines,Hydro's, seats or whatever. That's just my 2 cents...good luck on your decision may the best dealer win.
That is not totally accurate.
The patent Ferris holds is only that specific design on their mowers and nothing else, any manufacturer can patent their own suspension system as long is it is not the exact Ferris system.
Now in 10 years from the patent date Ferris's design will be copied and used by others if they want to.
#22
DSepe
As I stated everyone is free to patent whatever they want (I provided examples) as long as its not blatant copying (Apple vs Samsung). I was just replying to the OP wondering why every brand doesn't have giant shocks that look like Ferris on their ZTR mowers. I totally agree with you sir.
DSepe
That is not totally accurate. The patent Ferris holds is only that specific design on their mowers and nothing else, any manufacturer can patent their own suspension system as long is it is not the exact Ferris system. Now in 10 years from the patent date Ferris's design will be copied and used by others if they want to.
As I stated everyone is free to patent whatever they want (I provided examples) as long as its not blatant copying (Apple vs Samsung). I was just replying to the OP wondering why every brand doesn't have giant shocks that look like Ferris on their ZTR mowers. I totally agree with you sir.
#23
DSepe
DSepe
I should have said "the reason companies don't have Ferris looking suspension...." I see my small mistake has cost me dearly and everyone wants to bash me now...enjoy.
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ddbtdd
I really don't like bashing but do enjoy jabbing with pointy sticks...
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I should have said "the reason companies don't have Ferris looking suspension...." I see my small mistake has cost me dearly and everyone wants to bash me now...enjoy.
I really don't like bashing but do enjoy jabbing with pointy sticks...
#25
DSepe
Hahaha I wasn't directing that at you or Nwatson for that matter. I have adequately explained what I should of said in my other post. I just think it's funny how huffy people get over my opinion. Which was only intended to inform others why ZTRs can't have suspension that looks and mimics the one found on Ferris. I never said it wasn't a gimmick either. I do believe a suspension seat is the best remedy for a bumpy ride.
DSepe
I really don't like bashing but do enjoy jabbing with pointy sticks...
Hahaha I wasn't directing that at you or Nwatson for that matter. I have adequately explained what I should of said in my other post. I just think it's funny how huffy people get over my opinion. Which was only intended to inform others why ZTRs can't have suspension that looks and mimics the one found on Ferris. I never said it wasn't a gimmick either. I do believe a suspension seat is the best remedy for a bumpy ride.
#26
DJlawnboy
Yeah guys suspensions which have been on cars for a hundred years is a gimmick... better get my suspension seat for my car because it's the only way to absorb BUMPZ!!! No WAYZ a mower could possibly use the same technology! Think before you guys post please.
DJlawnboy
That's the first time I have ever heard that other ZTR manufacturers do not install wheel suspension options with the reason being Ferris owns the patent. With Hustler, Scag, Dixie Chopper.....and Bad Boy ZTR's having their own suspension offerings I find it hard to believe that Gravely couldn't design a suspension system that would not infringe on any patent Ferris may have. That's like saying Ford cannot implement a hybrid model car because Toyota holds the patent with the Prius. I tend to agree with user Ric that the reason others don't offer suspension systems is that it is more gimmick than it is functional. Besides, I would guess that the overall design of a ZTR mower lends itself to a better cut with a solid chassis and a floating deck. The BEST way to get a smoother ride on any brand ZTR is to get a good quality full suspension seat(that is after all the only area of a ZTR(the seat) that a operator would notice any difference in the ride.....NOT because the left front tire absorbs a bump. If most other components on the ZTR's you are comparing are similar I would demo them and make sure they have a full suspension seat if mowing for extended periods and ride is important. Like mentioned, dealer choice is as important as specs & price which won't vary much between brands(all of the ZTR's mentioned in this poll are very good machines).
Yeah guys suspensions which have been on cars for a hundred years is a gimmick... better get my suspension seat for my car because it's the only way to absorb BUMPZ!!! No WAYZ a mower could possibly use the same technology! Think before you guys post please.
#27
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No worries mate!
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ddbtdd
Hahaha I wasn't directing that at you or Nwatson for that matter. I have adequately explained what I should of said in my other post. I just think it's funny how huffy people get over my opinion. Which was only intended to inform others why ZTRs can't have suspension that looks and mimics the one found on Ferris. I never said it wasn't a gimmick either. I do believe a suspension seat is the best remedy for a bumpy ride.
No worries mate!
#28
DSepe
A little harsh but good point. You looking to buy I see...good luck!
DSepe
Yeah guys suspensions which have been on cars for a hundred years is a gimmick... better get my suspension seat for my car because it's the only way to absorb BUMPZ!!! No WAYZ a mower could possibly use the same technology! Think before you guys post please.
A little harsh but good point. You looking to buy I see...good luck!
#29
djdicetn
Your car doesn't have the task of mowing grass evenly.....if it did mow grass it would most likely scalp your lawn badly from one of the 4 corners rising or falling from a bump or valley causing that suspension to move freely at that corner:0)
Meanwhile...we have pretty well trashed the OP's poll thread discussing suspension, so whoever is interested in continuing the debate can volunteer to start a new thread with the title "ZTR Suspension Systems....useful or gimmick":0)
P.S.
User ddbtdd was correct in that Dixon(now owned by Husqvarna) holds the original patent for a zero turn transaxle(bought the patent in 1973 and introduced the first model ZTR-1 zero turn mower in 1974). Now this could become yet another "debate" as owners of other ZTR's(I think Hustler owners are good about this) purport to be the first ZTR. Please start another thread should you want to discuss/debate this tidbit of info:0)
djdicetn
Yeah guys suspensions which have been on cars for a hundred years is a gimmick... better get my suspension seat for my car because it's the only way to absorb BUMPZ!!! No WAYZ a mower could possibly use the same technology! Think before you guys post please.
Your car doesn't have the task of mowing grass evenly.....if it did mow grass it would most likely scalp your lawn badly from one of the 4 corners rising or falling from a bump or valley causing that suspension to move freely at that corner:0)
Meanwhile...we have pretty well trashed the OP's poll thread discussing suspension, so whoever is interested in continuing the debate can volunteer to start a new thread with the title "ZTR Suspension Systems....useful or gimmick":0)
P.S.
User ddbtdd was correct in that Dixon(now owned by Husqvarna) holds the original patent for a zero turn transaxle(bought the patent in 1973 and introduced the first model ZTR-1 zero turn mower in 1974). Now this could become yet another "debate" as owners of other ZTR's(I think Hustler owners are good about this) purport to be the first ZTR. Please start another thread should you want to discuss/debate this tidbit of info:0)
#30
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back to snapper pro-----never paid much attention to them until reading specs and saw the zt 5400 trans on the sx150 and sx200 models....went and drove a 200 and was dissapointed that it did not go as fast as i thought it would [ 10 mph ].....told dealer and he could not understand either......anyway he is getting more in within 2 weeks and i am going back.....maybe the hydto was not warmed up or something.....i know it was not 10 mph because i had just drove a bobcat fastcat and it is 10 mph and was much faster......what i see in snapper pro is a solid built mower with a good looking deck and many options to choose from on engines......dealer told me 6000 out the door on a 52 inch s150xt with 26 horse vanguard......if the speed issue can be worked out i am seriously considering it......icd is same deck as ferris because they are basically the same company
#31
DSepe
I wouldn't hesitate on a s150xt for that price that's like a Ferris 2100z without suspension. Ferris pricing for dealer is $6,971.17 retail is $8,399 obviously this must not represent Snapper dealer pricing because he would lose money. Do you know retail on that machine? Iron spindles on 52" and flat free casters not bad at all. Of course do what you think is best...I demoed the fast cat and they fly...most likely the weight difference 840 vs 1171 or 705 if you demoed fastcat pro se.
DSepe
back to snapper pro-----never paid much attention to them until reading specs and saw the zt 5400 trans on the sx150 and sx200 models....went and drove a 200 and was dissapointed that it did not go as fast as i thought it would [ 10 mph ].....told dealer and he could not understand either......anyway he is getting more in within 2 weeks and i am going back.....maybe the hydto was not warmed up or something.....i know it was not 10 mph because i had just drove a bobcat fastcat and it is 10 mph and was much faster......what i see in snapper pro is a solid built mower with a good looking deck and many options to choose from on engines......dealer told me 6000 out the door on a 52 inch s150xt with 26 horse vanguard......if the speed issue can be worked out i am seriously considering it......icd is same deck as ferris because they are basically the same company
I wouldn't hesitate on a s150xt for that price that's like a Ferris 2100z without suspension. Ferris pricing for dealer is $6,971.17 retail is $8,399 obviously this must not represent Snapper dealer pricing because he would lose money. Do you know retail on that machine? Iron spindles on 52" and flat free casters not bad at all. Of course do what you think is best...I demoed the fast cat and they fly...most likely the weight difference 840 vs 1171 or 705 if you demoed fastcat pro se.
#32
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ddbtdd
Hmmm... I have a 2012 s150xt with an FX 20hp Kaw and I would bet it does every bit of 10 mph. Now I just changed the trans oil and filters and purged out all the air so I'm not sure if the one at your dealer may be need to be purged or something.
Hydrogear rates the zt5400 up to 18mph which I think it would be insane mowing that fast on that mower but anyhow my buddy told me if I wanted it to go faster there is an adjustment to do so. My land is much too bumpy to cut any faster than 8mph even with the premium Milsco seat. The Snapper Pro also lays a beautiful cut.
Everyone makes the best mower until it breaks down and I'm sure you can find a better mower than a SP but maybe not a better one for the money.
Snapper, Ferris and Simplicity are all owned by Briggs. I once had a 10hp Simplicity rider and you could almost cut hay with that thing...
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back to snapper pro----- was dissapointed that it did not go as fast as i thought it would [ 10 mph ].....told dealer and he could not understand either......anyway he is getting more in within 2 weeks and i am going back.....maybe the hydto was not warmed up or something.....i know it was not 10 mph because i had just drove a bobcat fastcat and it is 10 mph and was much faster......what i see in snapper pro is a solid built mower with a good looking deck and many options to choose from on engines......dealer told me 6000 out the door on a 52 inch s150xt with 26 horse vanguard......if the speed issue can be worked out i am seriously considering it......icd is same deck as ferris because they are basically the same company
Hmmm... I have a 2012 s150xt with an FX 20hp Kaw and I would bet it does every bit of 10 mph. Now I just changed the trans oil and filters and purged out all the air so I'm not sure if the one at your dealer may be need to be purged or something.
Hydrogear rates the zt5400 up to 18mph which I think it would be insane mowing that fast on that mower but anyhow my buddy told me if I wanted it to go faster there is an adjustment to do so. My land is much too bumpy to cut any faster than 8mph even with the premium Milsco seat. The Snapper Pro also lays a beautiful cut.
Everyone makes the best mower until it breaks down and I'm sure you can find a better mower than a SP but maybe not a better one for the money.
Snapper, Ferris and Simplicity are all owned by Briggs. I once had a 10hp Simplicity rider and you could almost cut hay with that thing...
#33
DSepe
I agree with everything you said. Had a simplicity riding mower for 26 years before the clutch went bad and I upgraded to a Ferris ZTR
DSepe
Hmmm... I have a 2012 s150xt with an FX 20hp Kaw and I would bet it does every bit of 10 mph. Now I just changed the trans oil and filters and purged out all the air so I'm not sure if the one at your dealer may be need to be purged or something. Hydrogear rates the zt5400 up to 18mph which I think it would be insane mowing that fast on that mower but anyhow my buddy told me if I wanted it to go faster there is an adjustment to do so. My land is much too bumpy to cut any faster than 8mph even with the premium Milsco seat. The Snapper Pro also lays a beautiful cut. Everyone makes the best mower until it breaks down and I'm sure you can find a better mower than a SP but maybe not a better one for the money. Snapper, Ferris and Simplicity are all owned by Briggs. I once had a 10hp Simplicity rider and you could almost cut hay with that thing...
I agree with everything you said. Had a simplicity riding mower for 26 years before the clutch went bad and I upgraded to a Ferris ZTR
#35
Nwatson99
No bashing from me what so ever just correcting a little oversight in thought is all. :thumbsup:
JD had a great front wheel suspension system going "saw the video of it" and like a big dummy they abandoned it and I am betting the R&D under-engineered it and the suspension system probably failed.
I hope they get their act together, get the engineering corrected and put it out on the market, I know I will purchase a set from my ztrak when they do.
Nwatson99
I should have said "the reason companies don't have Ferris looking suspension...." I see my small mistake has cost me dearly and everyone wants to bash me now...enjoy.
No bashing from me what so ever just correcting a little oversight in thought is all. :thumbsup:
JD had a great front wheel suspension system going "saw the video of it" and like a big dummy they abandoned it and I am betting the R&D under-engineered it and the suspension system probably failed.
I hope they get their act together, get the engineering corrected and put it out on the market, I know I will purchase a set from my ztrak when they do.
#36
DSepe
Haha all is well...I'm sure your used to all the JD bashing that goes on around here anyways (ex: JD decks are garbage...yadda yadda). More and more companies are putting some form of suspension on ZTR's. I believe the way Scag isolates the entire operator makes the most sense. No cut compromise or bump/vibration absorption to upper body through the legs. As you have stated JD may have abandoned if it was under-engineered but don't be surprised if it comes back.
DSepe
No bashing from me what so ever just correcting a little oversight in thought is all. :thumbsup: JD had a great front wheel suspension system going "saw the video of it" and like a big dummy they abandoned it and I am betting the R&D under-engineered it and the suspension system probably failed. I hope they get their act together, get the engineering corrected and put it out on the market, I know I will purchase a set from my ztrak when they do.
Haha all is well...I'm sure your used to all the JD bashing that goes on around here anyways (ex: JD decks are garbage...yadda yadda). More and more companies are putting some form of suspension on ZTR's. I believe the way Scag isolates the entire operator makes the most sense. No cut compromise or bump/vibration absorption to upper body through the legs. As you have stated JD may have abandoned if it was under-engineered but don't be surprised if it comes back.
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captain ron
Sorry I forgot to update that price....I have two toro dealers close to me. This is recent as of this weekend. The first one quoted the zmaster 2000 52" with the current $500 rebate at 7000 pre-tax which based on what I know is high. That same dealer quoted the 52" 3000 at 8000 pre-tax. The next dealer (which is master toro dealer) doesn't stock the zmaster 2000 because they weren't selling much of it, and people either went with the Titan MX or went to the Zmaster 3000 for the price difference. His price on the Zmaster 3000 52" was 7,399 (includes the rebate) pre-tax (600 cheaper than the other dealer).
I also looked this weekend at the Pioneer S 60" with the Kohler and suspension seat with the ultra cut 4 deck. This is the same one that Van had mentioned in a previous reply, but the local dealer didnt have one in at the time. I understand why he went that way, vs the standard Pioneer S with one of the lesser decks and seats this machine looks supreme and is very nice. They were at 6,999 pre-tax on it.
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Why haven't you been able to get a price on the Toro yet ?
Sorry I forgot to update that price....I have two toro dealers close to me. This is recent as of this weekend. The first one quoted the zmaster 2000 52" with the current $500 rebate at 7000 pre-tax which based on what I know is high. That same dealer quoted the 52" 3000 at 8000 pre-tax. The next dealer (which is master toro dealer) doesn't stock the zmaster 2000 because they weren't selling much of it, and people either went with the Titan MX or went to the Zmaster 3000 for the price difference. His price on the Zmaster 3000 52" was 7,399 (includes the rebate) pre-tax (600 cheaper than the other dealer).
I also looked this weekend at the Pioneer S 60" with the Kohler and suspension seat with the ultra cut 4 deck. This is the same one that Van had mentioned in a previous reply, but the local dealer didnt have one in at the time. I understand why he went that way, vs the standard Pioneer S with one of the lesser decks and seats this machine looks supreme and is very nice. They were at 6,999 pre-tax on it.
#38
Vanousb
Sounds like you are taking your time and working on the best deal. Good for you. If your dealer gets one in. an you get the chance to ride the Exmark I would like to know how you think they compare to the other two you are looking at. Did not ride a toro as we did not have a local that carried. The demo ride of the Pioneer S helped solidify my decision. Seem to recall the Pioneer is more in line with the Zmaster 3000 when you look at specs and priced with bigger mowing deck little less the price. Either way, have fun and good luck on the dealing making. Keep us updated. haha
Vanousb
Sorry I forgot to update that price....I have two toro dealers close to me. This is recent as of this weekend. The first one quoted the zmaster 2000 52" with the current $500 rebate at 7000 pre-tax which based on what I know is high. That same dealer quoted the 52" 3000 at 8000 pre-tax. The next dealer (which is master toro dealer) doesn't stock the zmaster 2000 because they weren't selling much of it, and people either went with the Titan MX or went to the Zmaster 3000 for the price difference. His price on the Zmaster 3000 52" was 7,399 (includes the rebate) pre-tax (600 cheaper than the other dealer).
I also looked this weekend at the Pioneer S 60" with the Kohler and suspension seat with the ultra cut 4 deck. This is the same one that Van had mentioned in a previous reply, but the local dealer didnt have one in at the time. I understand why he went that way, vs the standard Pioneer S with one of the lesser decks and seats this machine looks supreme and is very nice. They were at 6,999 pre-tax on it.
Sounds like you are taking your time and working on the best deal. Good for you. If your dealer gets one in. an you get the chance to ride the Exmark I would like to know how you think they compare to the other two you are looking at. Did not ride a toro as we did not have a local that carried. The demo ride of the Pioneer S helped solidify my decision. Seem to recall the Pioneer is more in line with the Zmaster 3000 when you look at specs and priced with bigger mowing deck little less the price. Either way, have fun and good luck on the dealing making. Keep us updated. haha
#39
chemingthroughtheleather
chemingthroughtheleather
In a highly competitive market I would strongly factor in the service reputation of the dealer.Don't be penny wise and pound foolish!
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I did exactly what you did when I bought my mower in 2012. Price was important, but I wanted a mower that was built well so it would last me for 15 years or more. I also wanted to be sure I had a great dealer close in case I needed parts. I come from a farming family so I have had a lot of experience with machinery. I went with the snapper pro s150xt for three reasons. First was the quality of the main components. Like you I noticed that the snapper pro was the only brand to offer the fx series Kawi engine and the zt5400 hydro pumps for under 6000. The fx series engine is top of the line Kawi. The zt5400 are the largest of the hydro gear pumps. 10 mph is plenty fast for me. Second was support. Have a couple of great dealers in my area. Have not had any problems with my mower yet but i know they can handle any repairs that may be needed. Finally was price. S150xt 20hp fx series Kawi 48" icd deck for under 6000. No other brand offered those features for less than 8000. As for the ride, the suspension seat is available on the snapper pro and I would suggest trying to get your dealer to throw that in if you make the deal. I would love to have a ferris with the same features as my snapper pro but the price just isn't right for me. The benefits to the suspension to me would go beyond the ride. With independent suspension it would be easier to keep the deck down on uneven parts of the lawn (witch I have in a couple of areas). As for the comments on that scalping your lawn, that's what the anti scalping wheels on the deck are for. I mow 4.2 acres with my snapper pro. It's a great machine. It handles all types of grass well, except white clover. Didn't want that in my yard anyway so I mounted a spray boom and a 25 gallon tank on my mower. Can take the tank off easily when not in use.