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Ferris 2100z vs Hustler Fastrack SD
#1
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Hexa Fox
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Hexa Fox
I made a similar post on another site and got few responses. I thought I would put one here and try to make it more short. Long story short I found a dealer that has been extremely patient with me on buying a new machine and does not act like a used car sales person like the rest. He will get some commission, but he has made it clear he is desires to put me on a machine I will be happy with. I gave him a $500.00 down deposit and in return he ordered the following two machines.
Ferris 2100z 52" Cut with a 26HP Briggs and Stratton Vanguard
Hustler Fastrack 54" Cut with a 23HP Kawasaki FR691V + Flex Forks
The Ferris is going to run me about $8,900 while the Hustler will run me about $7,000. So obviously the Ferris is a step up from the Hustle, but I can save about $2,000. Also... something really embarrassing happened to me last time I was trying out the Ferris. I tried to take it across his property to try it out on some slopes and got it stuck in the mud on the way there. It was extremely embarrassing, as I operate and mess around with this kind of stuff for a living... Not to mention after we got it out the unit was covered in mud... I only wished he was more stern but he could only reassure me that it was not my fault.
The reason this happened is because right now I own a machine that weighs about 600 lbs and this Ferris weighs about 1,300 lbs. My unit would have easily floated over the mud and made it to the other side. Therefore, I really underestimated how much weight was under this machine. Also for comparison the Hustler weighs in around 860 lbs and may be a better transition right now. However, grass cutting is just starting and my business is still expanding so I may be better off with the Ferris in the long run.
Anyway I am looking for some advice here on what to choose. I thought that after I tried the Ferris I would be instantly sold because of the suspension system. However, a Hustler with Flex Forks feels really nice too. Another long story short is that grass is growing and I will need to make my final decision between Friday and Monday. This guy is a dealer for both so I can choose either unit and get the $500.00 deposit put into either of them.
I am going to be mowing on several slopes and it is important to make certain that not only does the machine stay there, but also does not damage turf due to the weight and gravity dragging it down.
The next issue I face is whether to buy an open or enclosed trailer. However, this could also be for another time. They are also really close to each other and may make the big decision(s) in one single day. For example, I may drive home with a brand new trailer and brand new mower on the back of it. The pros and cons I see so far with the trailers are as follows.
Enclosed Trailer:
Good
Less Chance of Theft
Better Protection for Equipment
Equipment can be Permanently Stored
Tandem Axle With Breaks
Bad
More Difficult To Back
Equipment Will Get Very Hot
Open Trailer:
Good
Easier To Back
Equipment Will Get Better Airflow
Zero Turns Will Be Permanently Stored With Expensive Cover
Tandem Axle Trailer With Breaks
Bad
More Chance of Theft
Outside Elements/Hazards
I was really leaning towards the open trailer. As I can keep my two zero turns on there and plan to put an expensive cover over each of them. This cover is suppose to protect well from the elements and increase airflow. Then my insurance agent obviously recommended the enclosed because of better protected from theft. If I keep the zero turns permanently in an enclosed trailer I will probably need to install extra vents and eventually and on board battery with lights, alarms and intake + exhaust fans to keep airflow for the equipment.
Any feedback and all will be greatly appreciated!
Ferris 2100z 52" Cut with a 26HP Briggs and Stratton Vanguard
Hustler Fastrack 54" Cut with a 23HP Kawasaki FR691V + Flex Forks
The Ferris is going to run me about $8,900 while the Hustler will run me about $7,000. So obviously the Ferris is a step up from the Hustle, but I can save about $2,000. Also... something really embarrassing happened to me last time I was trying out the Ferris. I tried to take it across his property to try it out on some slopes and got it stuck in the mud on the way there. It was extremely embarrassing, as I operate and mess around with this kind of stuff for a living... Not to mention after we got it out the unit was covered in mud... I only wished he was more stern but he could only reassure me that it was not my fault.
The reason this happened is because right now I own a machine that weighs about 600 lbs and this Ferris weighs about 1,300 lbs. My unit would have easily floated over the mud and made it to the other side. Therefore, I really underestimated how much weight was under this machine. Also for comparison the Hustler weighs in around 860 lbs and may be a better transition right now. However, grass cutting is just starting and my business is still expanding so I may be better off with the Ferris in the long run.
Anyway I am looking for some advice here on what to choose. I thought that after I tried the Ferris I would be instantly sold because of the suspension system. However, a Hustler with Flex Forks feels really nice too. Another long story short is that grass is growing and I will need to make my final decision between Friday and Monday. This guy is a dealer for both so I can choose either unit and get the $500.00 deposit put into either of them.
I am going to be mowing on several slopes and it is important to make certain that not only does the machine stay there, but also does not damage turf due to the weight and gravity dragging it down.
The next issue I face is whether to buy an open or enclosed trailer. However, this could also be for another time. They are also really close to each other and may make the big decision(s) in one single day. For example, I may drive home with a brand new trailer and brand new mower on the back of it. The pros and cons I see so far with the trailers are as follows.
Enclosed Trailer:
Good
Less Chance of Theft
Better Protection for Equipment
Equipment can be Permanently Stored
Tandem Axle With Breaks
Bad
More Difficult To Back
Equipment Will Get Very Hot
Open Trailer:
Good
Easier To Back
Equipment Will Get Better Airflow
Zero Turns Will Be Permanently Stored With Expensive Cover
Tandem Axle Trailer With Breaks
Bad
More Chance of Theft
Outside Elements/Hazards
I was really leaning towards the open trailer. As I can keep my two zero turns on there and plan to put an expensive cover over each of them. This cover is suppose to protect well from the elements and increase airflow. Then my insurance agent obviously recommended the enclosed because of better protected from theft. If I keep the zero turns permanently in an enclosed trailer I will probably need to install extra vents and eventually and on board battery with lights, alarms and intake + exhaust fans to keep airflow for the equipment.
Any feedback and all will be greatly appreciated!
#2
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Shughes717
Wow, if that was the short version then your other post must have read like a novel.:laughing: You really aren't making a fair comparison with those two mowers. The fastrack sd is the lowest end of hustler's commercial line and the is2100 is near the upper end of ferris' line. The vanguard on the ferris is a better engine than the fs series Kawi on the sd (more comparable to the fx series Kawi). The zt4400 hydros on the ferris are larger than the zt3400 hydros on the sd. The ferris has 11 gallons of fuel capacity, where as the hustler has 5 gallons. The rear tires on the ferris are 24x12, where as the the rear tires on the hustler are 22x10. Yes the ferris weighs more, but the larger, wider tires spread the weight out over a larger surface area. Also, the ferris will offer a more comfortable ride. A more fair comparison would be the is2100 to the x one. Both companies offer great products, but you really aren't comparing apples to apples. I have no idea how many lawns you are mowing, but I would think that either mower could handle a heavy work load with ease. I have no input on which trailer, because I have never owned a covered trailer and couldn't give you an informed opinion. I will leave that to someone who has used both.
S
Shughes717
I made a similar post on another site and got few responses. I thought I would put one here and try to make it more short. Long story short I found a dealer that has been extremely patient with me on buying a new machine and does not act like a used car sales person like the rest. He will get some commission, but he has made it clear he is desires to put me on a machine I will be happy with. I gave him a $500.00 down deposit and in return he ordered the following two machines.
Ferris 2100z 52" Cut with a 26HP Briggs and Stratton Vanguard
Hustler Fastrack 54" Cut with a 23HP Kawasaki FR691V + Flex Forks
The Ferris is going to run me about $8,900 while the Hustler will run me about $7,000. So obviously the Ferris is a step up from the Hustle, but I can save about $2,000. Also... something really embarrassing happened to me last time I was trying out the Ferris. I tried to take it across his property to try it out on some slopes and got it stuck in the mud on the way there. It was extremely embarrassing, as I operate and mess around with this kind of stuff for a living... Not to mention after we got it out the unit was covered in mud... I only wished he was more stern but he could only reassure me that it was not my fault.
The reason this happened is because right now I own a machine that weighs about 600 lbs and this Ferris weighs about 1,300 lbs. My unit would have easily floated over the mud and made it to the other side. Therefore, I really underestimated how much weight was under this machine. Also for comparison the Hustler weighs in around 860 lbs and may be a better transition right now. However, grass cutting is just starting and my business is still expanding so I may be better off with the Ferris in the long run.
Anyway I am looking for some advice here on what to choose. I thought that after I tried the Ferris I would be instantly sold because of the suspension system. However, a Hustler with Flex Forks feels really nice too. Another long story short is that grass is growing and I will need to make my final decision between Friday and Monday. This guy is a dealer for both so I can choose either unit and get the $500.00 deposit put into either of them.
I am going to be mowing on several slopes and it is important to make certain that not only does the machine stay there, but also does not damage turf due to the weight and gravity dragging it down.
The next issue I face is whether to buy an open or enclosed trailer. However, this could also be for another time. They are also really close to each other and may make the big decision(s) in one single day. For example, I may drive home with a brand new trailer and brand new mower on the back of it. The pros and cons I see so far with the trailers are as follows.
Enclosed Trailer:
Good
Less Chance of Theft
Better Protection for Equipment
Equipment can be Permanently Stored
Tandem Axle With Breaks
Bad
More Difficult To Back
Equipment Will Get Very Hot
Open Trailer:
Good
Easier To Back
Equipment Will Get Better Airflow
Zero Turns Will Be Permanently Stored With Expensive Cover
Tandem Axle Trailer With Breaks
Bad
More Chance of Theft
Outside Elements/Hazards
I was really leaning towards the open trailer. As I can keep my two zero turns on there and plan to put an expensive cover over each of them. This cover is suppose to protect well from the elements and increase airflow. Then my insurance agent obviously recommended the enclosed because of better protected from theft. If I keep the zero turns permanently in an enclosed trailer I will probably need to install extra vents and eventually and on board battery with lights, alarms and intake + exhaust fans to keep airflow for the equipment.
Any feedback and all will be greatly appreciated!
Wow, if that was the short version then your other post must have read like a novel.:laughing: You really aren't making a fair comparison with those two mowers. The fastrack sd is the lowest end of hustler's commercial line and the is2100 is near the upper end of ferris' line. The vanguard on the ferris is a better engine than the fs series Kawi on the sd (more comparable to the fx series Kawi). The zt4400 hydros on the ferris are larger than the zt3400 hydros on the sd. The ferris has 11 gallons of fuel capacity, where as the hustler has 5 gallons. The rear tires on the ferris are 24x12, where as the the rear tires on the hustler are 22x10. Yes the ferris weighs more, but the larger, wider tires spread the weight out over a larger surface area. Also, the ferris will offer a more comfortable ride. A more fair comparison would be the is2100 to the x one. Both companies offer great products, but you really aren't comparing apples to apples. I have no idea how many lawns you are mowing, but I would think that either mower could handle a heavy work load with ease. I have no input on which trailer, because I have never owned a covered trailer and couldn't give you an informed opinion. I will leave that to someone who has used both.
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Mad Mackie
M
Mad Mackie
Great comments Shughes717!
There is some consideration between machine weights, but ZTRs can get stuck fairly easily regardless of their weight. The Kawasaki line of engines is FR is the lower end, FS is better but still has basic air filtration, FX is top as it is an FS with the two stage HD air filtration system in the Kawasaki vertical shaft engine lineup. I prefer larger tires which usually come on heavier machines anyway, less turf damage in tight turns.
One needs to do research on machines and get into the specs to do better comparisons of machines.
As for trailers, for years I had an open trailer, but got tired of dealing with weather and possible theft problems. In 1999 I bought a closed cargo trailer with ramp, extra height and larger side door. It is nice to know that the equipment is protected and secure in a closed trailer and an off season storage asset.
My primary machine is a Scag Tiger Cub, 48" deck with a collection system. This machine is shorter and fairly light in weight which benefits me doing the type of lawns that I mow. My Hustler X-ONE is a 60" rear discharge machine used primarily in an old cemetery, very different situation from regular lawns. It has a Kawasaki FX730V engine which is a sweet running engine!!!
Mad Mackie in CT:smile::biggrin::laughing:
There is some consideration between machine weights, but ZTRs can get stuck fairly easily regardless of their weight. The Kawasaki line of engines is FR is the lower end, FS is better but still has basic air filtration, FX is top as it is an FS with the two stage HD air filtration system in the Kawasaki vertical shaft engine lineup. I prefer larger tires which usually come on heavier machines anyway, less turf damage in tight turns.
One needs to do research on machines and get into the specs to do better comparisons of machines.
As for trailers, for years I had an open trailer, but got tired of dealing with weather and possible theft problems. In 1999 I bought a closed cargo trailer with ramp, extra height and larger side door. It is nice to know that the equipment is protected and secure in a closed trailer and an off season storage asset.
My primary machine is a Scag Tiger Cub, 48" deck with a collection system. This machine is shorter and fairly light in weight which benefits me doing the type of lawns that I mow. My Hustler X-ONE is a 60" rear discharge machine used primarily in an old cemetery, very different situation from regular lawns. It has a Kawasaki FX730V engine which is a sweet running engine!!!
Mad Mackie in CT:smile::biggrin::laughing:
#4
Carscw
Carscw
Wow
Ok here we go.
On wet lawns my light weight toro z480 gets stuck. Digs holes when wet.
My fast track SD has no trouble on the same lawn.
The hustler is a very good mower. Only thing I don't like is grass stays under the deck and clogs bad when wet.
Open trailer is the way I go.
People say they like a box trailer to keep the mowers out of the weather. Really omg. It's a mower made to be used outside.
Ok here we go.
On wet lawns my light weight toro z480 gets stuck. Digs holes when wet.
My fast track SD has no trouble on the same lawn.
The hustler is a very good mower. Only thing I don't like is grass stays under the deck and clogs bad when wet.
Open trailer is the way I go.
People say they like a box trailer to keep the mowers out of the weather. Really omg. It's a mower made to be used outside.
#5
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Mad Mackie
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Mad Mackie
As for trailers open or closed, it depends on where you live. Having had 80" of snow this past winter, I prefer to have my machines out of the weather.
I had open trailers for many years, but went with closed trailers and I'm happy that I did. When I had open trailers, I still stored my equipment off season inside a shed or my garage. With a closed trailer, I bring my storage shed on wheels with me where needed.
Because a machine is used outside doesn't mean that it should be left outside. I have a list of folks to contact when I upgrade my equipment as they know my stuff is cared for properly and I have no problem selling it.
My first two open trailers that I had I built myself with nice long hinged ramps. My third open trailer was a production model, 7' X 14'. I had to modify the ramps making them longer and narrower, repositioning the hinges, so I could lift them and not get a hernia.
I had open trailers for many years, but went with closed trailers and I'm happy that I did. When I had open trailers, I still stored my equipment off season inside a shed or my garage. With a closed trailer, I bring my storage shed on wheels with me where needed.
Because a machine is used outside doesn't mean that it should be left outside. I have a list of folks to contact when I upgrade my equipment as they know my stuff is cared for properly and I have no problem selling it.
My first two open trailers that I had I built myself with nice long hinged ramps. My third open trailer was a production model, 7' X 14'. I had to modify the ramps making them longer and narrower, repositioning the hinges, so I could lift them and not get a hernia.
#6
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Hexa Fox
Hahaha, no I just went overboard again. There is just too much to say. The reason I am comparing the two is because I am sure that either machine is going to be a huge improvement over what I have now. However, if I go with the Ferris now there is a chance I may really appreciate it down the road from now. Right off the bat something that I noticed is that the seat on the Ferris is barley existent. Right when you see the Hustler you immediately notice a different in the seat. The seat on the Hustler really supports you and on the Ferris there is a really uncomfortable gap that just feels incomplete. I did get to demo both units like I said and I thought that the Ferris was going to rise above greatly when it came to quality. Certainly, I cannot mow with either of them for comparison.
The big concern for me on an enclosed trailer is airflow. If it is used for permanent storage then the equipment is going to sit in there and get extremely hot. I would have to worry about mounting an on board battery for an alarm system, lights, and a exhaust/intake fan to be happy. Therefore, I think I would rather go open right now, especially since I am going to save a lot of money. I guess I am stressing out because it is a lot of money either way and I want to make the right decision. Because after I purchase one of these machines/trailers when I drive home with them the sale is final.
I am still leaning towards the Ferris though just because of the extra and it being a step up. However, if I get on this Hustler that I like and the seat feels nicer I may just take it and be done with it because of that. The Ferris seat immediately gave me a wedgie because of the gap in the seat. Also while I was testing it out in at least one instance it stalled because my @$$ was not fully in the seat.
H
Hexa Fox
Wow, if that was the short version then your other post must have read like a novel.:laughing: You really aren't making a fair comparison with those two mowers. The fastrack sd is the lowest end of hustler's commercial line and the is2100 is near the upper end of ferris' line. The vanguard on the ferris is a better engine than the fs series Kawi on the sd (more comparable to the fx series Kawi). The zt4400 hydros on the ferris are larger than the zt3400 hydros on the sd. The ferris has 11 gallons of fuel capacity, where as the hustler has 5 gallons. The rear tires on the ferris are 24x12, where as the the rear tires on the hustler are 22x10. Yes the ferris weighs more, but the larger, wider tires spread the weight out over a larger surface area. Also, the ferris will offer a more comfortable ride. A more fair comparison would be the is2100 to the x one. Both companies offer great products, but you really aren't comparing apples to apples. I have no idea how many lawns you are mowing, but I would think that either mower could handle a heavy work load with ease. I have no input on which trailer, because I have never owned a covered trailer and couldn't give you an informed opinion. I will leave that to someone who has used both.
Hahaha, no I just went overboard again. There is just too much to say. The reason I am comparing the two is because I am sure that either machine is going to be a huge improvement over what I have now. However, if I go with the Ferris now there is a chance I may really appreciate it down the road from now. Right off the bat something that I noticed is that the seat on the Ferris is barley existent. Right when you see the Hustler you immediately notice a different in the seat. The seat on the Hustler really supports you and on the Ferris there is a really uncomfortable gap that just feels incomplete. I did get to demo both units like I said and I thought that the Ferris was going to rise above greatly when it came to quality. Certainly, I cannot mow with either of them for comparison.
The big concern for me on an enclosed trailer is airflow. If it is used for permanent storage then the equipment is going to sit in there and get extremely hot. I would have to worry about mounting an on board battery for an alarm system, lights, and a exhaust/intake fan to be happy. Therefore, I think I would rather go open right now, especially since I am going to save a lot of money. I guess I am stressing out because it is a lot of money either way and I want to make the right decision. Because after I purchase one of these machines/trailers when I drive home with them the sale is final.
I am still leaning towards the Ferris though just because of the extra and it being a step up. However, if I get on this Hustler that I like and the seat feels nicer I may just take it and be done with it because of that. The Ferris seat immediately gave me a wedgie because of the gap in the seat. Also while I was testing it out in at least one instance it stalled because my @$$ was not fully in the seat.
#7
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Shughes717
I have not noticed the issue with the ferris seat. The mower I have now has the same seat, but I don't have the suspension. You should go with the mower that you are more comfortable with. Like I said before, both are well built mowers. I don't think you will be disappointed with either mower you go with. I understand that you are concerned that the equipment would get hot in the trailer, but I don't see where that will cause any damage. The equipment gets hot when it's being used. Again, I have never owned an enclosed trailer, so I really can't give an informed opinion. Someone else may be able to correct me about the heat issue with the equipment, but I don't see how it will affect anything.
S
Shughes717
Hahaha, no I just went overboard again. There is just too much to say. The reason I am comparing the two is because I am sure that either machine is going to be a huge improvement over what I have now. However, if I go with the Ferris now there is a chance I may really appreciate it down the road from now. Right off the bat something that I noticed is that the seat on the Ferris is barley existent. Right when you see the Hustler you immediately notice a different in the seat. The seat on the Hustler really supports you and on the Ferris there is a really uncomfortable gap that just feels incomplete. I did get to demo both units like I said and I thought that the Ferris was going to rise above greatly when it came to quality. Certainly, I cannot mow with either of them for comparison.
The big concern for me on an enclosed trailer is airflow. If it is used for permanent storage then the equipment is going to sit in there and get extremely hot. I would have to worry about mounting an on board battery for an alarm system, lights, and a exhaust/intake fan to be happy. Therefore, I think I would rather go open right now, especially since I am going to save a lot of money. I guess I am stressing out because it is a lot of money either way and I want to make the right decision. Because after I purchase one of these machines/trailers when I drive home with them the sale is final.
I am still leaning towards the Ferris though just because of the extra and it being a step up. However, if I get on this Hustler that I like and the seat feels nicer I may just take it and be done with it because of that. The Ferris seat immediately gave me a wedgie because of the gap in the seat. Also while I was testing it out in at least one instance it stalled because my @$$ was not fully in the seat.
I have not noticed the issue with the ferris seat. The mower I have now has the same seat, but I don't have the suspension. You should go with the mower that you are more comfortable with. Like I said before, both are well built mowers. I don't think you will be disappointed with either mower you go with. I understand that you are concerned that the equipment would get hot in the trailer, but I don't see where that will cause any damage. The equipment gets hot when it's being used. Again, I have never owned an enclosed trailer, so I really can't give an informed opinion. Someone else may be able to correct me about the heat issue with the equipment, but I don't see how it will affect anything.
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Mad Mackie
M
Mad Mackie
Education costs money, but as an educated closed trailer owner, I will offer my experiences free of charge!!!
Extra height, I don't like banging my head.
Wide side door, trying to stuff in an object that is 2" wider than the door opening can be a problem.
Torsion suspension is better than springs, trailer is lower to the ground and rides smoother.
Radial tires have less rolling effort than bias-ply tires and they contribute to a smoother ride.
I don't like the crank open roof vents, they deteriorate quickly, even the "forever" ones. When they crack, guess where the rain goes!!!!
The wheels on 7' wide trailers are external to the trailer "box", 8' and 8.5' wide trailers have wheel wells inside the "box".
As a 7' wide trailer is narrower than a wider trailer, so is the ramp and its support cables.
An interior of at least 3/8" plywood allows you to mount almost any type of hanging bracket for small equipment storage.
A trailer with a V nose gives you the room to install a shelf or two to store small items and not reduce the floor space area.
A white trailer will not get as hot inside as a dark painted trailer, but a white trailer gets dirty quickly.
Silver is the best paint color as it doesn't show the dirt as much as a white trailer does.
The interior will get hotter than ambient during the day and below ambient during night. The darker the trailer exterior is, the greater the temp span.
The only problem that I have experienced is storing gasoline in the trailers. If the gasoline has ethanol as most states do, the gas can start to turn bad in three weeks, both in storage and in a machine. I have solved the gasoline storage problem by adding Star Tron, which is an enzyme type fuel additive that will extend the storage life of the gasoline.
My next trailer specs:
7' X 16', 7,000 GVW, ramp, extra height, wide side door, radial tires on aluminum wheels, torsion suspension, V nose, silver ext color, no roof vents, 3/8" plywood interior, double thick floor as a single floor is 3/4" plywood and heavy machines cause sagging.
Expensive trailer?? Yes it is!!! But doing it right the first time is the least expensive way to go!!!
All trailers over 3,000 LBs gross weight will have electric brakes.
There you go!!!
Mad Mackie in CT:smile::biggrin::laughing::thumbsup:
Extra height, I don't like banging my head.
Wide side door, trying to stuff in an object that is 2" wider than the door opening can be a problem.
Torsion suspension is better than springs, trailer is lower to the ground and rides smoother.
Radial tires have less rolling effort than bias-ply tires and they contribute to a smoother ride.
I don't like the crank open roof vents, they deteriorate quickly, even the "forever" ones. When they crack, guess where the rain goes!!!!
The wheels on 7' wide trailers are external to the trailer "box", 8' and 8.5' wide trailers have wheel wells inside the "box".
As a 7' wide trailer is narrower than a wider trailer, so is the ramp and its support cables.
An interior of at least 3/8" plywood allows you to mount almost any type of hanging bracket for small equipment storage.
A trailer with a V nose gives you the room to install a shelf or two to store small items and not reduce the floor space area.
A white trailer will not get as hot inside as a dark painted trailer, but a white trailer gets dirty quickly.
Silver is the best paint color as it doesn't show the dirt as much as a white trailer does.
The interior will get hotter than ambient during the day and below ambient during night. The darker the trailer exterior is, the greater the temp span.
The only problem that I have experienced is storing gasoline in the trailers. If the gasoline has ethanol as most states do, the gas can start to turn bad in three weeks, both in storage and in a machine. I have solved the gasoline storage problem by adding Star Tron, which is an enzyme type fuel additive that will extend the storage life of the gasoline.
My next trailer specs:
7' X 16', 7,000 GVW, ramp, extra height, wide side door, radial tires on aluminum wheels, torsion suspension, V nose, silver ext color, no roof vents, 3/8" plywood interior, double thick floor as a single floor is 3/4" plywood and heavy machines cause sagging.
Expensive trailer?? Yes it is!!! But doing it right the first time is the least expensive way to go!!!
All trailers over 3,000 LBs gross weight will have electric brakes.
There you go!!!
Mad Mackie in CT:smile::biggrin::laughing::thumbsup:
#9
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Shughes717
Well there you have it hexa fox. Those are great points from someone who has been there and come across the issues one has when using a closed trailer. :thumbsup:
S
Shughes717
Education costs money, but as an educated closed trailer owner, I will offer my experiences free of charge!!!
Extra height, I don't like banging my head.
Wide side door, trying to stuff in an object that is 2" wider than the door opening can be a problem.
Torsion suspension is better than springs, trailer is lower to the ground and rides smoother.
Radial tires have less rolling effort than bias-ply tires and they contribute to a smoother ride.
I don't like the crank open roof vents, they deteriorate quickly, even the "forever" ones. When they crack, guess where the rain goes!!!!
The wheels on 7' wide trailers are external to the trailer "box", 8' and 8.5' wide trailers have wheel wells inside the "box".
As a 7' wide trailer is narrower than a wider trailer, so is the ramp and its support cables.
An interior of at least 3/8" plywood allows you to mount almost any type of hanging bracket for small equipment storage.
A trailer with a V nose gives you the room to install a shelf or two to store small items and not reduce the floor space area.
A white trailer will not get as hot inside as a dark painted trailer, but a white trailer gets dirty quickly.
Silver is the best paint color as it doesn't show the dirt as much as a white trailer does.
The interior will get hotter than ambient during the day and below ambient during night. The darker the trailer exterior is, the greater the temp span.
The only problem that I have experienced is storing gasoline in the trailers. If the gasoline has ethanol as most states do, the gas can start to turn bad in three weeks, both in storage and in a machine. I have solved the gasoline storage problem by adding Star Tron, which is an enzyme type fuel additive that will extend the storage life of the gasoline.
My next trailer specs:
7' X 16', 7,000 GVW, ramp, extra height, wide side door, radial tires on aluminum wheels, torsion suspension, V nose, silver ext color, no roof vents, 3/8" plywood interior, double thick floor as a single floor is 3/4" plywood and heavy machines cause sagging.
Expensive trailer?? Yes it is!!! But doing it right the first time is the least expensive way to go!!!
All trailers over 3,000 LBs gross weight will have electric brakes.
There you go!!!
Mad Mackie in CT:smile::biggrin::laughing::thumbsup:
Well there you have it hexa fox. Those are great points from someone who has been there and come across the issues one has when using a closed trailer. :thumbsup:
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Mad Mackie
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Mad Mackie
I'm on my 4th closed cargo trailer, all being Pace American Cargo Sport models. For a time I had 3 at once, red, white and blue!!!
Pace American trailer company was sold some years ago, the seller started a new company called Bravo Trailers. A fellow lawn care operator asked me to help him with a new trailer and except for the V nose, his new trailer was to the same specs that I mentioned in my previous post and with a spare tire and mount. My friend has a buddy that wanted the same trailer but with a V nose. We went to my favorite trailer dealer they had the exact trailer in stock and this guy bought it on the spot, now I want one!!!!
A neighbor of this guy is a troop leader for some sort of organization, the name of which I don't recall, but they camp out often and needed a trailer. He wanted to buy my trailer, but I wasn't interested in selling it at the time. We went thru the specs for Bravo trailers and added some special requests and Bravo sent him a quote and a delivery date should he order it by a certain date. He ordered it, Bravo and the dealer gave his not for profit organization a great price, the trailer is fantastic!!!
There are other trailer manufacturers that are as accommodating as Bravo and may be close by to some of you. There are also some junk trailers around too, buyer beware!!!
My 7' X 14' trailer is now 12 years old and looking a little shabby. A wash, new wheels and some TLC would sharpen it up, but it is my work trailer and it shows it!!! At times I do carpentry work in it at a job site, table saw with router, chop saw, and sometimes a small metal mill and metal lathe have been in it with my generator running outside to power the machinery.
This trailer is touchy to back up with a full size truck or van. The 7' X 16' trailers that I have towed backed up much easier as the distance from the trailer axles to the rear wheels of the tow vehicle is just enough more to make backing up much easier.
I've had trailers that were much longer, two of which were open 3 car haulers, triple axle, and 5th wheel type. Those days are gone as I'm in my 70s and slowing down!!! My 350 and 450 Ford diesel duallys are gone too!!!
Mad Mackie in CT:smile::biggrin::laughing:
Pace American trailer company was sold some years ago, the seller started a new company called Bravo Trailers. A fellow lawn care operator asked me to help him with a new trailer and except for the V nose, his new trailer was to the same specs that I mentioned in my previous post and with a spare tire and mount. My friend has a buddy that wanted the same trailer but with a V nose. We went to my favorite trailer dealer they had the exact trailer in stock and this guy bought it on the spot, now I want one!!!!
A neighbor of this guy is a troop leader for some sort of organization, the name of which I don't recall, but they camp out often and needed a trailer. He wanted to buy my trailer, but I wasn't interested in selling it at the time. We went thru the specs for Bravo trailers and added some special requests and Bravo sent him a quote and a delivery date should he order it by a certain date. He ordered it, Bravo and the dealer gave his not for profit organization a great price, the trailer is fantastic!!!
There are other trailer manufacturers that are as accommodating as Bravo and may be close by to some of you. There are also some junk trailers around too, buyer beware!!!
My 7' X 14' trailer is now 12 years old and looking a little shabby. A wash, new wheels and some TLC would sharpen it up, but it is my work trailer and it shows it!!! At times I do carpentry work in it at a job site, table saw with router, chop saw, and sometimes a small metal mill and metal lathe have been in it with my generator running outside to power the machinery.
This trailer is touchy to back up with a full size truck or van. The 7' X 16' trailers that I have towed backed up much easier as the distance from the trailer axles to the rear wheels of the tow vehicle is just enough more to make backing up much easier.
I've had trailers that were much longer, two of which were open 3 car haulers, triple axle, and 5th wheel type. Those days are gone as I'm in my 70s and slowing down!!! My 350 and 450 Ford diesel duallys are gone too!!!
Mad Mackie in CT:smile::biggrin::laughing:
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Hexa Fox
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Hexa Fox
Thank you for all the advice Mad Mackie. I appreciate the thought and time you put into this for me. I was originally interested in the enclosed trailer to begin with and my girl friend and father talked me into getting the open trailer. This is not by any means the first time I have towed or backed a trailer. However, this is the first time I will actually own my very own and tow it fairly regular. I still have some thinking to do. Because before this post I was definitely leaning towards the open trailer and now I am leaning back towards the enclosed trailer.
If I pick an open trailer I will need to install a trimmer rack and a couple garage door springs to help me open and close the gate. If I get an enclosed trailer I will only require a simpler trimmer rack to be installed at first. The dealer that has been very patient with me has agreed to drop off the Ferris and Hustler on Monday or Tuesday. I am going to try them out on a couple of my customers yards, but will not be able to mow with them. Just get a feel for how they act on the steep slopes. If I make a decision they are going to leave the one I choose here.
I told the dealer that I was very unhappy with the seat on the Ferris, and he said it was no problem he could install a much nicer seat for a few hundred more dollars. This is well worth it to me. I still do not like how the Ferris seat has so much play in it. Also I am not talking about the actually seat either, as I am sure the new $500.00 seat will do the trick there. It is how the seat is attached to the mower. It sits on a sheet of metal and does not have anything securing it near your buttocks. For a machine that is so expensive with such a powerful engine, great suspension system, and well manufactured commercial deck, this seat is unacceptable. Right now I only weigh around 135lbs-140lbs. It sorta feels like a larger @$$ would hold it down better. As mentioned before while I was testing it out, it stalled for a quick second because my buttocks lifted up some. I am certain that if I had some more "@$$" I would be fine. However, I am lacking this @$$.
So I will try them out Monday or Tuesday when they arrive and hopefully get back here with some pictures and feedback. I guess I really want the Ferris to work out because I do believe it is the better equipped machine between these two machines I am picking out. However, if the Hustler does better on the hills or feels more comfortable I just might go with it because of the cost and obviously is better in one aspect whereas the Ferris should be at least slightly better all around. If I cannot feel at least a slight advantage while riding on the Ferris I think it will be a difficult decision...
If I pick an open trailer I will need to install a trimmer rack and a couple garage door springs to help me open and close the gate. If I get an enclosed trailer I will only require a simpler trimmer rack to be installed at first. The dealer that has been very patient with me has agreed to drop off the Ferris and Hustler on Monday or Tuesday. I am going to try them out on a couple of my customers yards, but will not be able to mow with them. Just get a feel for how they act on the steep slopes. If I make a decision they are going to leave the one I choose here.
I told the dealer that I was very unhappy with the seat on the Ferris, and he said it was no problem he could install a much nicer seat for a few hundred more dollars. This is well worth it to me. I still do not like how the Ferris seat has so much play in it. Also I am not talking about the actually seat either, as I am sure the new $500.00 seat will do the trick there. It is how the seat is attached to the mower. It sits on a sheet of metal and does not have anything securing it near your buttocks. For a machine that is so expensive with such a powerful engine, great suspension system, and well manufactured commercial deck, this seat is unacceptable. Right now I only weigh around 135lbs-140lbs. It sorta feels like a larger @$$ would hold it down better. As mentioned before while I was testing it out, it stalled for a quick second because my buttocks lifted up some. I am certain that if I had some more "@$$" I would be fine. However, I am lacking this @$$.
So I will try them out Monday or Tuesday when they arrive and hopefully get back here with some pictures and feedback. I guess I really want the Ferris to work out because I do believe it is the better equipped machine between these two machines I am picking out. However, if the Hustler does better on the hills or feels more comfortable I just might go with it because of the cost and obviously is better in one aspect whereas the Ferris should be at least slightly better all around. If I cannot feel at least a slight advantage while riding on the Ferris I think it will be a difficult decision...
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Hexa Fox
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Another thing is that I am going to go on a weekend vacation with my girl friend soon within the next couple of months. My father is one of the only people I could trust to watch over my equipment around here. He works from later evening to early in the morning. You know? Perfectly in the time range where thieves are out stealing this kind of equipment in the night. Also they could just take the new mower off the open trailer and run with it.
Another aspect is this is just an example. I face many other similar problems. For example, while I am mowing there is probably going to be another zero turn (my backup Craftsman) on the trailer with the gate down. I have a couple one acre yards that have the house near the front and a steep declining property in the rear. This is just asking for it you know??
Plus I do plan to run the Craftsman from time to time to get it some exercise and leave the Hustler/Ferris on the trailer... again asking for it even more so... If I had a enclosed trailer and got nervous I could at least close it, then if more nervous lock it back up while I mow. I thieving business on landscapers is getting worse all the time. We are getting ready to make money during the mowing season and the thieves are getting ready to make money stealing our equipment. They are literally getting their "business" ready to make money stealing. They get the hydraulic bolt cutters, rescue saws, and come by and steal all your stuff or just a few things in a flash...
Another aspect is this is just an example. I face many other similar problems. For example, while I am mowing there is probably going to be another zero turn (my backup Craftsman) on the trailer with the gate down. I have a couple one acre yards that have the house near the front and a steep declining property in the rear. This is just asking for it you know??
Plus I do plan to run the Craftsman from time to time to get it some exercise and leave the Hustler/Ferris on the trailer... again asking for it even more so... If I had a enclosed trailer and got nervous I could at least close it, then if more nervous lock it back up while I mow. I thieving business on landscapers is getting worse all the time. We are getting ready to make money during the mowing season and the thieves are getting ready to make money stealing our equipment. They are literally getting their "business" ready to make money stealing. They get the hydraulic bolt cutters, rescue saws, and come by and steal all your stuff or just a few things in a flash...
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Mad Mackie
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Mad Mackie
Around 2008 a lawn care friend broke his arm while skiing in Vermont. He asked me to do his route as he was healing and I agreed. His route was in a nasty part of a nearby city and to be prepared for this. I had no idea what I was getting into, but locked the trailer while I was mowing. It was at the 2nd stop that the trouble started and as I packed "heat" while on my machine and swung around the house to do a check, the bandits were at it. Come to find out, my friend had setup the "bandits" to test my security skills so he would feel more comfortable while I did his route. The situation almost got out of control as I wasn't aware of his plan. My friend never recovered fully from his injury and as result he got out of the business. He asked me if I wanted to take over some of his customers accounts. I declined his offer and gave him my bill with a smile!!!! The guy that took over my friends accounts had an open trailer for a short time and bought a closed trailer. He contacted me and asked me if I could install an alarm system in his new trailer and I did. Several years ago I installed an alarm system in his new trailer, but he asked me to not include the electrical shock system!! Funny how things go!!!
There is a reason why my friends call me Mad Mackie in CT:smile::biggrin::laughing:
There is a reason why my friends call me Mad Mackie in CT:smile::biggrin::laughing:
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Hexa Fox
Yeah I have a concealed carry permit. I would never think of keeping it with me while mowing though. It would be extremely uncomfortable even for the smallest firearms. Also I'm sure you probably already figured this out, but the firearm probably will not help you much. Most of the time if they target a open trailer they go after something they can just "grab and go" like a trimmer, push mower, or even a gas tank. However, if they target an enclosed trailer they are going after a lot more. Because they will probably come prepared to gain access to the trailer no matter how tightly you have it locked up.
My insurance agent made me very aware of the details and also made me second guess buying a open trailer because of these statistics. Because it is obvious that a thief is more likely to try to take one item off of a open trailer, versus trying to deal with an enclosed trailer for any amount of items. I have hear several stories about people getting very thick locks for the doors on their enclosed trailers. Then I hear about the thieves cutting the hinges off the door and going right in.
The good thing about insurance is if someone cleans you out, you are covered. However, when the little @$$holes take one or two items you are just about always going to eat it. Because first off it usually is not worth the hassle and your insurance will probably have a deductible that exceeds what the tool(s) are worth. I know that the dealer is selling trailers like crazy right now, and I can understand why. He is supposed to get a couple enclosed ones in on Monday. I will probably check them out early next week when I get the time.
I also want to install a new transmission cooler on my truck, and also will need to have the break module installed to control the trailer brakes.
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Hexa Fox
Around 2008 a lawn care friend broke his arm while skiing in Vermont. He asked me to do his route as he was healing and I agreed. His route was in a nasty part of a nearby city and to be prepared for this. I had no idea what I was getting into, but locked the trailer while I was mowing. It was at the 2nd stop that the trouble started and as I packed "heat" while on my machine and swung around the house to do a check, the bandits were at it. Come to find out, my friend had setup the "bandits" to test my security skills so he would feel more comfortable while I did his route. The situation almost got out of control as I wasn't aware of his plan. My friend never recovered fully from his injury and as result he got out of the business. He asked me if I wanted to take over some of his customers accounts. I declined his offer and gave him my bill with a smile!!!! The guy that took over my friends accounts had an open trailer for a short time and bought a closed trailer. He contacted me and asked me if I could install an alarm system in his new trailer and I did. Several years ago I installed an alarm system in his new trailer, but he asked me to not include the electrical shock system!! Funny how things go!!!
There is a reason why my friends call me Mad Mackie in CT:smile::biggrin::laughing:
Yeah I have a concealed carry permit. I would never think of keeping it with me while mowing though. It would be extremely uncomfortable even for the smallest firearms. Also I'm sure you probably already figured this out, but the firearm probably will not help you much. Most of the time if they target a open trailer they go after something they can just "grab and go" like a trimmer, push mower, or even a gas tank. However, if they target an enclosed trailer they are going after a lot more. Because they will probably come prepared to gain access to the trailer no matter how tightly you have it locked up.
My insurance agent made me very aware of the details and also made me second guess buying a open trailer because of these statistics. Because it is obvious that a thief is more likely to try to take one item off of a open trailer, versus trying to deal with an enclosed trailer for any amount of items. I have hear several stories about people getting very thick locks for the doors on their enclosed trailers. Then I hear about the thieves cutting the hinges off the door and going right in.
The good thing about insurance is if someone cleans you out, you are covered. However, when the little @$$holes take one or two items you are just about always going to eat it. Because first off it usually is not worth the hassle and your insurance will probably have a deductible that exceeds what the tool(s) are worth. I know that the dealer is selling trailers like crazy right now, and I can understand why. He is supposed to get a couple enclosed ones in on Monday. I will probably check them out early next week when I get the time.
I also want to install a new transmission cooler on my truck, and also will need to have the break module installed to control the trailer brakes.
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bertsmobile1
Not mad at all.
I still have a few old Ford Trembler coils which were used before kettering ignitions became the norm.
Hooked up to a 24V battery gives a very nasty shock, particularly if there is no warnings.
I have no time for petty thieves .
When the first of the pocket paging car alarms became available I modified a few to work on my old bikes which were chained to the front fence.
Have no idea about how all those bricks disloged from around the balcony and landed on the thieves head.
The local cabbies got sick & tired of junkies trying to hold them up so the standard treatment was to hold their hands in the door frames and accidentally close the door on them a few times.
Very hard to hit up with two smashed hands and even harder to slip a knife around a cabbies neck.
Cab roberies just about stopped after the first two or three.
As for making things secure, totally impossible.
The crooks ( most of whome are desperate not stupid ) have the same high powered cordless tools that we use so nothing will stop them getting your gear.
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bertsmobile1
Around 2008 a lawn care friend broke his arm while skiing in Vermont. He asked me to do his route as he was healing and I agreed. His route was in a nasty part of a nearby city and to be prepared for this. I had no idea what I was getting into, but locked the trailer while I was mowing. It was at the 2nd stop that the trouble started and as I packed "heat" while on my machine and swung around the house to do a check, the bandits were at it. Come to find out, my friend had setup the "bandits" to test my security skills so he would feel more comfortable while I did his route. The situation almost got out of control as I wasn't aware of his plan. My friend never recovered fully from his injury and as result he got out of the business. He asked me if I wanted to take over some of his customers accounts. I declined his offer and gave him my bill with a smile!!!! The guy that took over my friends accounts had an open trailer for a short time and bought a closed trailer. He contacted me and asked me if I could install an alarm system in his new trailer and I did. Several years ago I installed an alarm system in his new trailer, but he asked me to not include the electrical shock system!! Funny how things go!!!
There is a reason why my friends call me Mad Mackie in CT:smile::biggrin::laughing:
Not mad at all.
I still have a few old Ford Trembler coils which were used before kettering ignitions became the norm.
Hooked up to a 24V battery gives a very nasty shock, particularly if there is no warnings.
I have no time for petty thieves .
When the first of the pocket paging car alarms became available I modified a few to work on my old bikes which were chained to the front fence.
Have no idea about how all those bricks disloged from around the balcony and landed on the thieves head.
The local cabbies got sick & tired of junkies trying to hold them up so the standard treatment was to hold their hands in the door frames and accidentally close the door on them a few times.
Very hard to hit up with two smashed hands and even harder to slip a knife around a cabbies neck.
Cab roberies just about stopped after the first two or three.
As for making things secure, totally impossible.
The crooks ( most of whome are desperate not stupid ) have the same high powered cordless tools that we use so nothing will stop them getting your gear.