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Exmark Radius E series with 708 possible camshaft issue

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spf720

New to the forum and thought I would start off with an issue I am having with my Exmark 708 engine. I went to adjust the valves and the intake valve was completely loose and the rocker off the pushrod. When I turn it over by hand the pushrod had zero movement. I pulled the head to see if anything was binding and everything looks fine. The piece that moves the pushrod on the engine side has no movement.
Question - is this a camshaft issue or is there another part that could be causing it?

Thanks

Steve


#2

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Rivets

Ok, you’re new here so I’ll be nice. The techs on this forum are not psychic or have limited ESP skills, so we have no idea if your engine is Ford V-6, Dodge Hemi, Chevy big block or Briggs V-twin. You need to provide us with the engine brand and all engine numbers. When we have that info we will be able to help you diagnose your problem. Without them we will just be pissing in the wind, which we hate to do. We also would like to know how you tested for valve movement? Did you reset valve clearance first? Once you provide us with more info we’ll give you our best Answers as how to proceed.


#3

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spf720

OK I am new here and I thought the title

"Exmark Radius E series with 708 possible camshaft issue"​

or where I say it is an Exmark 708 engine in my question would give you a hint that it was a lawn mower and not a Ford V6. As I said in my question I was going in to adjust the valves when I saw the rocker was completely off the pushrod and the pushrod didn't move when I turned the engine over (by hand) so I never got to adjust it.

I do not have a detailed parts manual so I was asking what actually drives the pushrod as I do not work on lawn mower engines and believe it would be different than the car engines I work on and wouldn't have a traditional lifter set however I do not know. I will get a detailed engine manual and figure it out.

Thanks


#4

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Rivets

You don’t get it. Todays mower engines have both solid tappets and hydraulic lifters depending on which brand and model you have. If you really know about engines you know that they need different types of adjustments. How would I know which you have if you won’t post the engine brand and numbers.
Plus you said this “The piece that moves the pushrod on the engine side has no movement.” How do you know this? The camshaft pushes on the tappet or lifter, which pushes the pushrod, which will move the rocker arm. Unless you opened the engine you will have no idea if the tappet or lifter is moving. If you are offended by my reply you’ve never worked on a small engine before, as I asked for the normal information needed to diagnose small engine problems. After 50+ years of working on engines I do know that you don’t have a Ford-V6, but if you have really worked on more than one car engine, you would know that they are not all the same, that’s why I asked questions. If you would get off your millennium high horse and be humble that you are not smarter than the techs here, we could probably have helped you solve your problem and even supplied you with a service and parts manual. Your reply more than likely burned that bridge. Good Luck in solving your problem.


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bertsmobile1

Please try to remember
We are sitting here on the end of a screen with nothing to go on but what you type
Every brand of mower usually comes with a choice of 2 if not 3 different engines
And even then what is offered for one model can be different to another model of the same brand .
Now some will be familiar with Exmark and others like me have never laid a spannar on one
So we need a base to work off
What you have typed so far is confusing


#6

StarTech

StarTech

We need the equipment actual model numbers instead the layman model slapped on the side of the equipment. It be something like "LZA20KAX484". That will get us to the mower's IPL which should have the engine info hopefully.

But it does sounds like worn round camshaft lobe.


#7

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Rivets

To me it sounds like the adjuster nut may have come loose, but without knowing what he has we’re just guessing. To me this guy is from the group who says “ I want an answer now and if you’re any good you should be able to tell me without me doing any more work”. Also says “ I work on cars so I know what I am doing”. Probably won’t see him again, as he’s figured out he’s been beat.


#8

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MParr

It’s the Loncin 708 cc engine.


#9

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spf720

Well I figured out what was wrong. And I will get into that. First I will apologize for making assumptions. While I thought my post was clear it apparently was not. For future reference:
Brand - Exmark
Series - Radius E
Engine - 708
The Exmark Radius E only has one engine and that is the 708 and as MParr stated it is made by Loncin.

I assumed that this would be enough information and clearly I was wrong so again my apologies.

As for what was wrong - I went to the local service center where I purchased the mower and they had blow-up diagrams showing the various pieces. As I mentioned in my original post the rocker had come off the pushrod as the nut holding it in place had come loose. This in turn allowed the piece between the camshaft and pushrod (lifter) to move up into the engine block where it was stuck. The fix was quite simple by taping the lifter back in place and adjusting the valves to the proper clearance. I also cleaned up the valves and replaced the valve seals and all seems to be good.

As for the other comments you are right you probably will not hear from me again and it has everything to do with me "figuring I have been beat" although not for the reason the poster meant. I am on several auto related forums and most of the people generally are welcoming and want to help as clearly is the case for some here. Unfortunately for others it is more about needing to win by beating others down. Although I did get a kick out of being called a millennial. Unfortunately I am several decades past that group and actually come from a generation that still thinks being respectful is important.

Rivets - While I will not be around to see it please feel free to continue to personally attack someone you have never met or spoken to as it seems to bring you joy.

Take care.


#10

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Rivets

Ouch, anyone have some Mecurochrome to put on the stab wound in my back? Must have not use a sarated knife as I don’t feel any pain. I guess I was right when I said a loose adjuster nut was the cause of the problem. He never mentioned that the nut was loose in his original posting, as he now states. He’ll be back, as a guest so no one knows, just to see if i reply. Sir, the part is called a tappet not lifter (tappet is solid and a lifter is oil filled) and I doubt it was stuck. If the tappet was stuck, as you state, there would need to be a cause which you have not addressed and the problem will reoccur in the future. As for your apology, I doubt it was meant for me so I’ll just go find someone who can understand 70+ year old humor.


#11

ILENGINE

ILENGINE

Rivets said:
Ouch, anyone have some Mecurochrome to put on the stab wound in my back? Must have not use a sarated knife as I don’t feel any pain. I guess I was right when I said a loose adjuster nut was the cause of the problem. He never mentioned that the nut was loose in his original posting, as he now states. He’ll be back, as a guest so no one knows, just to see if i reply. Sir, the part is called a tappet not lifter (tappet is solid and a lifter is oil filled) and I doubt it was stuck. If the tappet was stuck, as you state, there would need to be a cause which you have not addressed and the problem will reoccur in the future. As for your apology, I doubt it was meant for me so I’ll just go find someone who can understand 70+ year old humor.
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Sometimes I think people either can't understand sarcasm or just go snowflake because they think it is personal attack.


#12

Tiger Small Engine

Tiger Small Engine

ILENGINE said:
Sometimes I think people either can't understand sarcasm or just go snowflake because they think it is personal attack.
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Read the entire post. Yeah, he never said the rocker arm holding stud/nut/bolt was loose (that occasionally happens). If that is all it was, why would he need to post on here unless he couldn’t figure it out? Also, how does an ExMark zero turn come with a Loncin (Chonda engine ?) Also, if the cam lobes were worn down, wouldn’t that be a gradual process and engine performance would be negatively affected as time went on?


#13

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MParr

“Also, how does an ExMark zero turn come with a Loncin (Chonda engine ?)”
For the same reason Toro comes with a Loncin engine. Cost reduction. They perform as intended. I’ve owned 2 Toro mowers with the same engine. They never gave me a minute of trouble.
They are significantly better than the Chinese Yamaha engines that were put on Bad Boy, Husqvarna, and Gravely mowers.


#14

ILENGINE

ILENGINE

Tiger Small Engine said:
Read the entire post. Yeah, he never said the rocker arm holding stud/nut/bolt was loose (that occasionally happens). If that is all it was, why would he need to post on here unless he couldn’t figure it out? Also, how does an ExMark zero turn come with a Loncin (Chonda engine ?) Also, if the cam lobes were worn down, wouldn’t that be a gradual process and engine performance would be negatively affected as time went on?
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How does Exmark come with a Loncin engine. Simple Exmark is owned by Excel. Excel is owned by Black and Decker which also owns MTD and Craftsman. MTD started using their own Powermore branded engines in 2005 with the bankruptcy of Murray. The Powermore is a Loncin engine


#15

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MParr

ILENGINE said:
How does Exmark come with a Loncin engine. Simple Exmark is owned by Excel. Excel is owned by Black and Decker which also owns MTD and Craftsman. MTD started using their own Powermore branded engines in 2005 with the bankruptcy of Murray. The Powermore is a Loncin engine
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Exmark is owned by Toro.

EXmark Zero-turn Mowers : John Stokowski & Sons, Inc.

Providing power equipment sales, parts, and service to the northern New York and Vermont regions.
digandcut.com


#16

StarTech

StarTech

Personally I work a lot different brands and models. There is no way to know everything and that why personally I need the actual model numbers to look up the IPLs and sometimes the SMs to get the info I need to reply with valid info. I simply don't like guessing and posting bad info.

Even on the Exmark this what I have to have Exmark to lookup equipment.1678822599050.png


#17

ILENGINE

ILENGINE

MParr said:
Exmark is owned by Toro.

EXmark Zero-turn Mowers : John Stokowski & Sons, Inc.

Providing power equipment sales, parts, and service to the northern New York and Vermont regions.
digandcut.com
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Your correct. Just too many purchases by companies lately to keep them straight. MTD owns excel which is Big Dog and Hustler. Toro owns Exmark and Ventrac at this point along with Ditch Witch through the Charles machine company, and Dingo


#18

StarTech

StarTech

And Stanley Black and Decker now owns MTD if I remember correctly. 2021.


#19

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MParr

StarTech said:
And Stanley Black and Decker now owns MTD if I remember correctly. 2021.
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Stanley Black and Decker owns Excel, MTD.


#20

ILENGINE

ILENGINE

Now I know what was throwing me off with what company owns what. It was Toro purchasing Intimidator group aka, Spartan mowers.


#21

StarTech

StarTech

But tomorrow Elon Musk or China may own them all.....


#22

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bertsmobile1

Musk or Bezos , perhaps
China no way
Their plan is to send every manufacturing company outside China to the wall so we will all be reliant upon them
And they are well on their way to achieving that aim


#23

StarTech

StarTech

Yelp China is very well on their way. So many US companies now source parts and equipment out of China it isn't funny. More and more crappy equipment shows everyday here. More and more of it is unrepairable do to either parts are too expensive or simply no parts available.

A customer just killed a Craftsman self propelled walk behind due the blade clutch engagement cable was $75 plus carburetor, blade clutch spring and blade. Over $100 in parts plus labor for fix a 15 yr old mower. No reason it should be that much other than greed and China suppliers. But I forgot about the Trump tarriffs on China goods.


#24

Tiger Small Engine

Tiger Small Engine

StarTech said:
Yelp China is very well on their way. So many US companies now source parts and equipment out of China it isn't funny. More and more crappy equipment shows everyday here. More and more of it is unrepairable do to either parts are too expensive or simply no parts available.

A customer just killed a Craftsman self propelled walk behind due the blade clutch engagement cable was $75 plus carburetor, blade clutch spring and blade. Over $100 in parts plus labor for fix a 15 yr old mower. No reason it should be that much other than greed and China suppliers. But I forgot about the Trump tarriffs on China goods.
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The buyouts, definitely not just in outdoor power equipment, are difficult to remember and keep track of.
The reason I said Loncin engine on an Exmark mower is because Exmark is typically commercial (not like MTD for example). Saw a Chonda on a decent Toro zero turn in my shop last week.


#25

StarTech

StarTech

We are about to see anything nowadays.

I even had a customer insisting me to put on a HFT engine on his TB Horse tiller. It would not fit but wanted me to try anyway until he found had much the machine work was going to be.


#26

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Rivets

Some of you who see the Loncin engines coming in these manuals may be of some help. https://www.toro.com/getpub/70680


#27

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bertsmobile1

Tiger Small Engine said:
The buyouts, definitely not just in outdoor power equipment, are difficult to remember and keep track of.
The reason I said Loncin engine on an Exmark mower is because Exmark is typically commercial (not like MTD for example). Saw a Chonda on a decent Toro zero turn in my shop last week.
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Getting off topic, but it is a company stragety that came out of USA universities.
putting it simply is you buy the entire market then you control the market & set the market price
Or to put it another way, you create a monopoly
But it is not a monopoly it is "Horizontal Intergration "
Now that is funny because the USA was the very first country to pass anti monopoly laws back in the days of the rail road barrons.
And of course the USA sees itself as the bastions of the "free market" based on competition driving up product developement and driving down prices .
But according to USA courts a monopoly is only a monopoly if all of the goods or services have the same name
So if the sole manufacturere of lawn mowers continues to market them under 20 different names then it is not a monopoly .


#28

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jbugj

We really went McDonalds morning coffee group here...;)


#29

VRR.DYNDNS>BIZ

VRR.DYNDNS>BIZ

MParr said:
It’s the Loncin 708 cc engine.
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for you sake, I am hoping the push rod is either bent and not making contact to tappet or not seated on cam, off to the side resting on the block passage to tappet, otherwise is suggests there is a cam problem. Pull push rod out and check for being bent. Look into engine block push rod passage. There is one other issue I have seen, but rare, when a tappet which rides on the cam has some issue which has wedged it up and no longer riding on the cam. That is usually caused by debris in the pan from broken parts getting in tappet clearances. Best of luck! Also, a needle imprint on block base should have some numbers further identifying the engine numbers and sometimes the chassis IPL may give the engine details, but most often does not.


#30

VRR.DYNDNS>BIZ

VRR.DYNDNS>BIZ

MParr said:
“Also, how does an ExMark zero turn come with a Loncin (Chonda engine ?)”
For the same reason Toro comes with a Loncin engine. Cost reduction. They perform as intended. I’ve owned 2 Toro mowers with the same engine. They never gave me a minute of trouble.
They are significantly better than the Chinese Yamaha engines that were put on Bad Boy, Husqvarna, and Gravely mowers.
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It is not all cost. A few years back, B&S production was sold out for a year and a half and left many Chassis OEM's hunting for engines. In the years along that time, seeing a market to fill, many new options sprang up and China was a major filler of the holes in needed production. They gradually became almost exclusive supplier to many lines, co branding the engines and supplying the parts thru the Chassis OEM's in many cases such as MTD, Toro. and others. Hardly any OEM was void of China's engines somewhere in the product line. Today, parts for these have become a little better to obtain, warranty if not by the OEM of the Chassis is almost non-existent, manuals the same, but at least most have IPL! Living thru this period has been painful for an "open" repair shop who will fix what he can get in the shop doors. Hopefully, the future of this market will rebound. After all, B&S was the market maker and richest company in the market for decades and now has gone bankrupt. In all the US markets, I think this market has had the most negative impact by China, except maybe the unseen such as Farm land. What I fear next is our citizens looking down on Chinese persons, who for the most part had little choice in the matter of China's overtaking of the US.


#31

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Gord Baker

spf720 said:
Well I figured out what was wrong. And I will get into that. First I will apologize for making assumptions. While I thought my post was clear it apparently was not. For future reference:
Brand - Exmark
Series - Radius E
Engine - 708
The Exmark Radius E only has one engine and that is the 708 and as MParr stated it is made by Loncin.

I assumed that this would be enough information and clearly I was wrong so again my apologies.

As for what was wrong - I went to the local service center where I purchased the mower and they had blow-up diagrams showing the various pieces. As I mentioned in my original post the rocker had come off the pushrod as the nut holding it in place had come loose. This in turn allowed the piece between the camshaft and pushrod (lifter) to move up into the engine block where it was stuck. The fix was quite simple by taping the lifter back in place and adjusting the valves to the proper clearance. I also cleaned up the valves and replaced the valve seals and all seems to be good.

As for the other comments you are right you probably will not hear from me again and it has everything to do with me "figuring I have been beat" although not for the reason the poster meant. I am on several auto related forums and most of the people generally are welcoming and want to help as clearly is the case for some here. Unfortunately for others it is more about needing to win by beating others down. Although I did get a kick out of being called a millennial. Unfortunately I am several decades past that group and actually come from a generation that still thinks being respectful is important.

Rivets - While I will not be around to see it please feel free to continue to personally attack someone you have never met or spoken to as it seems to bring you joy.

Take care.
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Well said spf750. The cat must have peeed in Rivets Corn Flakes. I am glad you got the problem sorted out and apologise for the mistreatment you received in this Forum. Everyone here is an expert. Some more than others.


#32

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Gord Baker

Rivets said:
You don’t get it. Todays mower engines have both solid tappets and hydraulic lifters depending on which brand and model you have. If you really know about engines you know that they need different types of adjustments. How would I know which you have if you won’t post the engine brand and numbers.
Plus you said this “The piece that moves the pushrod on the engine side has no movement.” How do you know this? The camshaft pushes on the tappet or lifter, which pushes the pushrod, which will move the rocker arm. Unless you opened the engine you will have no idea if the tappet or lifter is moving. If you are offended by my reply you’ve never worked on a small engine before, as I asked for the normal information needed to diagnose small engine problems. After 50+ years of working on engines I do know that you don’t have a Ford-V6, but if you have really worked on more than one car engine, you would know that they are not all the same, that’s why I asked questions. If you would get off your millennium high horse and be humble that you are not smarter than the techs here, we could probably have helped you solve your problem and even supplied you with a service and parts manual. Your reply more than likely burned that bridge. Good Luck in solving your problem.
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Time to retire and stop the BS. This forum is to help, not berate others.


#33

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jbugj

Gord Baker said:
Time to retire and stop the BS. This forum is to help, not berate others.
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I was embarrassed just reading the comments...it doesn't have to be that way. A little ribbing is ok, but that wasn't.


#34

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SamB

Just a side comment on what engine is on what mower and who owns what is so like Billy in Family Circle when he goes to get the mail.(or whatever) Who can keep up?


#35

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Chartman

I used to enjoy coming here to read and learn things about power equipment.


#36

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Rivets

Glad to see someone is backing a guy who can’t read or understand his own posts. Why should I retire when there are guys like the OP who need all the help they can get, both at repairing small equipment and understanding how they are not the center of the universe. His mantra is; I want help, I want it now and I want it on my terms”. If you read his posts you will see he never said what he claimed to have said, never posted info needed to help his cause, and definitely doesn’t understand sarcasm. I’m not an expert, but definitely know more than 95% of the posters on this site. If you don’t like me there is an ignore button, or just go to there back of the long line.


#37

ILENGINE

ILENGINE

VRR.DYNDNS>BIZ said:
It is not all cost. A few years back, B&S production was sold out for a year and a half and left many Chassis OEM's hunting for engines. In the years along that time, seeing a market to fill, many new options sprang up and China was a major filler of the holes in needed production. They gradually became almost exclusive supplier to many lines, co branding the engines and supplying the parts thru the Chassis OEM's in many cases such as MTD, Toro. and others. Hardly any OEM was void of China's engines somewhere in the product line. Today, parts for these have become a little better to obtain, warranty if not by the OEM of the Chassis is almost non-existent, manuals the same, but at least most have IPL! Living thru this period has been painful for an "open" repair shop who will fix what Ahe can get in the shop doors. Hopefully, the future of this market will rebound. After all, B&S was the market maker and richest company in the market for decades and now has gone bankrupt. In all the US markets, I think this market has had the most negative impact by China, except maybe the unseen such as Farm land. What I fear next is our citizens looking down on Chinese persons, who for the most part had little choice in the matter of China's overtaking of the US.
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The use if Chonda engines on OEM started long before the events of the last 3 years. MTD started down that line in 2005 when they refused to use Briggs engines because they now saw them as a mower competitor not an engine supplier when Briggs purchases Murray, which effected Tecumseh.. Also some of those Powermore engines landed in the Toro line because Toro outsourced their homeowner mower manufacturing to MTD in 2007. Husqvarna was using LCT, Loncin and Rato engines prior to 2018 marketed under the Husqvarna engine name. Even Generac has kind of hidden their stuff when they claim to make their own engines which they do. But the only Generac manufactured engines on their portable generators are the twin cylinder engines. The single cylinder are Loncin and a few Rato, which they claim never used even though some of their parts diagrams list Rato engines.


#38

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jbugj

It would have been so easy to say - 'What's the engine make and model? Thank you!'

My Mom used to say that some people got up on the wrong side of the bed...:giggle:

A new user that was likely frustrated with his machine problem, and didn't compose with completeness but should not be ostracized. And I did miss where he had demanded help immediately.


#39

R

Rivets

I sleep on the right side, so I get up on the right side. Time to get out of this thread.


#40

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13brian

jbugj said:
It would have been so easy to say - 'What's the engine make and model? Thank you!'

My Mom used to say that some people got up on the wrong side of the bed...:giggle:
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That is pretty much what he did, with some detailed explanation as to why it was needed. The OP reaction of getting feelings hurt, rather than providing the info was where it went South. If the guy wants help, he can either ignore what he doesn't like or comply with simple request. The OP reaction did not come across as a humble response of someone truly looking for help.


#41

J

jbugj

13brian said:
That is pretty much what he did, with some detailed explanation as to why it was needed. The OP reaction of getting feelings hurt, rather than providing the info was where it went South. If the guy wants help, he can either ignore what he doesn't like or comply with simple request. The OP reaction did not come across as a humble response of someone truly looking for help.
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I'm sorry, but the newbie OP reaction came after a good 'simple' tongue lashing. The initial request was very humble, and I don't believe anyone can show anything in it to the otherwise. People do not need to be treated that way. And 'Royalty' here should likely know better? What is wrong with 'More info please?'

That said, "Good Night, JohnBoy!" to all...


#42

ILENGINE

ILENGINE

jbugj said:
I'm sorry, but the newbie OP reaction came after a good 'simple' tongue lashing. The initial request was very humble, and I don't believe anyone can show anything in it to the otherwise. People do not need to be treated that way. And 'Royalty' here should likely know better? What is wrong with 'More info please?'

That said, "Good Night, JohnBoy!" to all...
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When you have to ask for "More info Please" about half the time instead of people providing it then we wouldn't need to get sarcastic and risk offending the snowflakes. Rivets response was the standard response after a long day of asking the same questions over and over and over and over again. And then the OP got offended and responded with I gave you everything that you needed with the mower information highlighted in bold. And you need to understand that 90% of the time the engine is not part of the mower, So we have to assume Briggs, Kohler, Kawasaki in most cases. And then things went off the rails.

And if people think the Ford, Chevy V-8, Hemi or Briggs engine reference is offensive they need to go back into the basement were it is safe for today.


#43

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jbugj

ILENGINE said:
When you have to ask for "More info Please" about half the time instead of people providing it then we wouldn't need to get sarcastic and risk offending the snowflakes. Rivets response was the standard response after a long day of asking the same questions over and over and over and over again. And then the OP got offended and responded with I gave you everything that you needed with the mower information highlighted in bold. And you need to understand that 90% of the time the engine is not part of the mower, So we have to assume Briggs, Kohler, Kawasaki in most cases. And then things went off the rails.

And if people think the Ford, Chevy V-8, Hemi or Briggs engine reference is offensive they need to go back into the basement were it is safe for today.
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"we wouldn't need to get sarcastic"...maybe just take the day off if you are feeling like that? so simple...and do moderators justify this bad behavior...just a rhetorical question.

Now...I have had enough of people justifying their bad behaviors, and...final answer...byebye...:sleep:


#44

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13brian

jbugj said:
"we wouldn't need to get sarcastic"...maybe just take the day off if you are feeling like that? so simple...and do moderators justify this bad behavior...just a rhetorical question.

Now...I have had enough of people justifying their bad behaviors, and...final answer...byebye...:sleep:
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Just an eye roll, wow.


#45

R

Ron_AU

This thread would have been a non starter if the OP had looked into the problem more closely.
But it seems it is common to rush off to a forum with a problem (aka 'issue') and fire up the natives.
And then the fun starts.

Last time I posted on a lawnmower forum was to help someone else.
Some uppity moderator told me my 'problem' wasn't being posted in the right place. (Add emoji for middle finger salute at that point.)


#46

StarTech

StarTech

Yes moderators are a royal pain as they can be control freaks. Even here I got jump on for supposedly posting help via PMs. This is why I don't accept PMs or Emails from this forum. If I have some properity info that needs sending it just don't get done now. As several my files are dealer only files like all the Stihl service manuals I have. Stihl will shut files if they knew I had them publicly available.

The forum I manage when post is in the wrong place I just move it and leave a shadow post where it was moved from.


#47

T

Tdj2591

ILENGINE said:
The use if Chonda engines on OEM started long before the events of the last 3 years. MTD started down that line in 2005 when they refused to use Briggs engines because they now saw them as a mower competitor not an engine supplier when Briggs purchases Murray, which effected Tecumseh.. Also some of those Powermore engines landed in the Toro line because Toro outsourced their homeowner mower manufacturing to MTD in 2007. Husqvarna was using LCT, Loncin and Rato engines prior to 2018 marketed under the Husqvarna engine name. Even Generac has kind of hidden their stuff when they claim to make their own engines which they do. But the only Generac manufactured engines on their portable generators are the twin cylinder engines. The single cylinder are Loncin and a few Rato, which they claim never used even though some of their parts diagrams list Rato engines.
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When I bought a homeowner-size Toro in 2010 I casually mentioned it to the CEO of MTD when he was in my office, thinking I was telling him that I bought one of their products. He told me that MTD does not make Toro. I have had MTD employees tell me that they make junk.


#48

ILENGINE

ILENGINE

The 2007 consumer mowers were rebranded MTD

TractorData.com - Toro lawn tractors sorted by year

tractordata.com tractordata.com

From wikipedia for Toro

In 2007 almost 70 percent of the company's sales came from professional markets, versus one-third in 1990. In 2007, the low-end lawn and garden tractor product manufacturing was outsourced to MTD Products, to be sold at Home Depot stores.[9] Toro discontinued its Wheel Horse models and retired the brand name in 2007.[10] Products and other brands expanded with Toro's purchases of TYCROP Manufacturing turf equipment product line in 2009 and USPraxis in 2010.

And MTD doesn't make junk, they are making exactly what the consumer market is asking for. If the consumer market is not willing to pay proper prices for quality that is not MTD problem


#49

R

Ron_AU

ILENGINE said:
The 2007 consumer mowers were rebranded MTD

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From wikipedia for Toro

In 2007 almost 70 percent of the company's sales came from professional markets, versus one-third in 1990. In 2007, the low-end lawn and garden tractor product manufacturing was outsourced to MTD Products, to be sold at Home Depot stores.[9] Toro discontinued its Wheel Horse models and retired the brand name in 2007.[10] Products and other brands expanded with Toro's purchases of TYCROP Manufacturing turf equipment product line in 2009 and USPraxis in 2010.

And MTD doesn't make junk, they are making exactly what the consumer market is asking for. If the consumer market is not willing to pay proper prices for quality that is not MTD problem
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Too true on the last point.

Locally here in South Australia, there isn't too much choice in push mowers - I can either spend $800 on a Honda push mower, or $245 on a Sanli.
I now own 3 Sanli push mowers, and the improvements in design and reliability between the oldest and newest is very noticeable.
I wouldn't hesitate to recommend buying on price (low) rather than reputation.

EDIT: Not much of a market here for snow blowers or generators though.


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