CV740 27hp bogs severely under average load

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I just honed both cylinders for new rings
You might already know this and I meant to mention it when you first talked about honing the cylinders. After honing them, wash the cylinders with hot soapy water and a stiff nylon scrub brush then rinse with plain water. It's the best way to get rid of the honing grit.
 

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You might already know this and I meant to mention it when you first talked about honing the cylinders. After honing them, wash the cylinders with hot soapy water and a stiff nylon scrub brush then rinse with plain water. It's the best way to get rid of the honing grit.
Yeah, she's clean. I'm on hold waiting for a ring compressor in the mail today. I'm used to just pinching in 2stroke rings but this oil ring ain't having it. 😜
 

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I've split a couple beer cans and used a hose clamp to compress rings in a pinch....

Interesting that this entire thread is laser focused on the motor, which seemed to run well in the first video. No hesitation throttling up, sounded smooth at elevated rpm etc

In #19, you mention the engine lagging with drive wheels but no blade engagement. And I think there are a couple other mentions like this sprinkled thru the thread...

I'm not a mower guy, just a mech eng who likes this stuff better than netflix...but the engine dipping with drive wheels only would point to something making the hydraulic pumps working harder than designed. Wrong oil viscosity, plugged filter, bad pump bearing, general system neglect, collapsed hose, etc

Wouldn't have to seem excessive on its own, but when combined with blade engagement, the load package might be asking for more oomph than is available from the Kohler

When the landscapers in my neighborhood go ripping around when not mowing, their engines barely sound loaded up when they engage the sticks, and immediately recover rpms as they scoot off.

I am curious to see how the rebuild changes things...
 

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Unless towing the engines is running on the idle circuit till you engage the blades
This is common with most tractors & mowers, no effective load till it does some work , mowing, plowing etc etc
So your observation is quite correct .
Often I get engines with a blown head gasket that run fine till the PTO is activated .
 

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In #19, you mention the engine lagging with drive wheels but no blade engagement. And I think there are a couple other mentions like this sprinkled thru the thread...

I'm not a mower guy, just a mech eng who likes this stuff better than netflix...but the engine dipping with drive wheels only would point to something making the hydraulic pumps working harder than designed. Wrong oil viscosity, plugged filter, bad pump bearing, general system neglect, collapsed hose, etc

Wouldn't have to seem excessive on its own, but when combined with blade engagement, the load package might be asking for more oomph than is available from the Kohler
Well, I think we can rule out the engine/carbs. After a full rebuild there is no change. I found some little things during the rebuild that were not perfect but fixed them as I went through it. The engine is operating as it should. But the problem still exists. An interesting note. When I run the motor in the garage for 5 minutes, both plugs come out golden brown. When I mow with it, and she bogs down severely, I come back with carbon black #1 and pure white #2. I now believe this is just the behavior of this engine when it's at full throttle but externally bogged down. Somehow all the fuel ends up in #1 because the intake runner is shorter? I'm guessing of course, but it must be so.

Also, as noted before, when the blades engage the rpms dip for a second into the 2500-2800 range but then come back up fairly quickly. I believe this is normal behavior. When I hear lawn guys engage blades I feel it sounds the same. My old lawn tractor had the same behavior even. Coupled with the fact that the spindles all spin free with no obvious binding (checked when belt was off), I think we can rule out the deck/blades/PTO.

Which seems to leave only one thing as you mentioned. The Hydro system. I may open a new thread in the transmission forum but for the sake of this thread I'll go into it here too. What would cause a hydraulic system to have excess load?? I don't believe a clogged filter would do this as all filters should have a bypass valve. The fluid on the dipstick looks clean and of the right consistency (tank fluid compared to the bottle of manuf. recommended fluid that I have)

This mower has two separate pumps (L and R) that each run an independent wheel motor for it's respective side. In addition, the left side operates a hydraulic deck lift. (I'll attach a diagram).
1. That said, when I start mowing it seems like it takes about 10-20ft before it falls on its face. I feel like this points to a blockage of some sort (ie: runs great until pressure builds up and forces the system to bind somehow)
2. However, when on jack stands, operating the left stick full forward has no effect on rpms. Wheel spins like it should and literally the rpms don't even dip 1 rpm. Same with the right stick. So that indicates the blockage only occurs under load? See #3 next...
3. When mowing, operating the left stick (only) full forward causes rpms to drop to well under 2000. Same with right stick (only). No difference between the left and right. Remember each side is it's own independent system. On that note: I hope my lawn forgives me, it now has ruts.
4. As mentioned before, when mowing and the rpms drop, pulling the sticks back to neutral brings the rpms back to 3400+ (within a few seconds).

I don't know. Seeing that the left and right side both exhibit the same behavior, it makes me thing the problem is in the tank or filter part of the system. Maybe the filter is fubar'ed (maybe the bypass valve is not functioning in it)?? I guess I can buy a new filter.

I'm just so over this thing at this point. I'm real close to quitting and just parting her out. 😭
 

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You say you ran it for about 5 minutes and both plugs looked the same, but after driving for a while #1 was black. Did you try just letting it run for 5-10 minutes with blades engaged only and then check plugs? If they are still the same, then definitely I would think something with hydros.
 

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You say you ran it for about 5 minutes and both plugs looked the same, but after driving for a while #1 was black. Did you try just letting it run for 5-10 minutes with blades engaged only and then check plugs? If they are still the same, then definitely I would think something with hydros.
I don't think only having the blades engaged while sitting still would constitute a real load. The rpms with the blades engaged were 3400+ just sitting there (that's why I ruled out the deck being an issue).

It's a moot point at this juncture anyways, I just sold it. I sold it for more than I had in so that's good at least. Thanks everyone for the help, I just couldn't keep throwing resources at a ghost. Sad that I'll never know what the real issue was though. Maybe the next guy is smarter than me (us).

At least this thread will provide someone in the future a roadmap of things to check when they have a similar condition as this.
 

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Yeah, I wouldn't think that would be much of a load either, but just figured 1 more way of ruling out motor and proving a load issue.

Glad you were able to sell it for more than you had invested.
 
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