It's made by Highline Warren, formally Warren Distribution. Mag 1 is Highline Warren's flagship oil. They blend for many retailers.
Can't find 30W oil anywhere in my area, or on line.
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Heck, in today's throw away society and poor-quality machines, the oil is outlasting the machine.
No it's not guy.
It's a thin 10 grade with a ton of viscosity improvers to "act" like a 30w at 212F or 100C. This is apples to washing machines fella.
A straight up 30 weight is much thicker than any 10w-blah blah. Plus it doesn't break down and require more oil as Briggs, Kawi, Kroller and so on, all state about using multi- grade oil.
Would love to see this "test". Please post it up here.
Also please include what company published this "test".
Current Supertech 30W is off-highway spec'd at an SG rating. Remember waaaay back in the day with flat tappet cams and lifters? Those were the SG days. Full of zddp zinc and anti-wear goodies.
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Hello Alex,
Want to know more about oil testing and legitimate information, check out Lake Speed Jr. on You Tube. He is a legitimate "oil guru". Learn from people who work in the oil testing business, not from 100 different "traditional user opinions" like you will see here.
Most modern oils are "multi weight" to increase their flow characteristics. Straight weight oils like 30HD and 40HD have gone out of popularity. The biggest issue involving straight weight oils is the warmup time required to get the oil heat actually circulating efficiently.
Some small engine (and larger) equipment manufacturers are still publishing outdated oil use recommendation because of complacency, and it is much easier to keep regurgitating old information.
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"Straight weight oils like 30HD and 40HD have gone out of popularity. The biggest issue involving straight weight oils is the warmup time required to get the oil heat actually circulating efficiently."
Partly correct;
Multi grade oils do indeed act like a lower viscosity oil when cold, allowing for more effective initial circulation.
Also;
By having a lower viscosity when cold, they reduce the amount of energy required to rotate the engine, less wear on the starting mechanism, easier starting, possibly longer battery life and/or small battery required.
Reduce the "drag" /resistance of the oil which should translate into lower fuel consumption.
Lower fuel consumption = lower pollution.
The "popularity" you refer to is almost entirely driven by the oil & engine companies - the man in the garden has had little if any choice in the matter. In my warmish part of the World we have been perfectly happy with the performance of mono grade 30 oils for many decades. The advent of multi grades for small engines has seen increased per litre costs with nil tangible benefits
Partly correct;
Multi grade oils do indeed act like a lower viscosity oil when cold, allowing for more effective initial circulation.
Also;
By having a lower viscosity when cold, they reduce the amount of energy required to rotate the engine, less wear on the starting mechanism, easier starting, possibly longer battery life and/or small battery required.
Reduce the "drag" /resistance of the oil which should translate into lower fuel consumption.
Lower fuel consumption = lower pollution.
The "popularity" you refer to is almost entirely driven by the oil & engine companies - the man in the garden has had little if any choice in the matter. In my warmish part of the World we have been perfectly happy with the performance of mono grade 30 oils for many decades. The advent of multi grades for small engines has seen increased per litre costs with nil tangible benefits
I am curious as well. Post those test results please. I just went out the garage and looked at a bottle of Super Tech SAE HD30 and it is rated at SP. I bought this in the past several months. I have read elsewhere that ST is made by Warren. I also saw a You Tube video with a guy saying Warren makes ST but there is one exception. Some of the ST full syn is Mobil One. He said you can tell by the bottle. He claims the bottle shape is the same as a Mobile One bottle. I have never noticed that but it is probably a smaller % of the total product and also regional.
If Warren Oil sold out to some Investment banker type then I hope they do not cheapen the product and raise the prices. On Bob is the oil Guy, ST oil gets good marks from people who understand motor oil and do Used engine oil analasys. I would recommend anyone go to that website if they want the best info on motor oil. Lake Speed Jr is also a good authority. Look at his You Tube page. He does not recommend using oil additives(like Zddp) or using Diesel Oil in gas engines. He says the oils today have improved and are better as is. This is all based on actual tests he performs. Not opinions based on an anecdote. For those guys who do not agree, do not shoot me. Take it out with Lake Speed Jr. or with the folks on Bob is the Oil Guy.
My wallymart has SuperTech off-road or highway SAE 30w at SG. Interesting yours is different. Maybe they have a new formulation as you stated?? Will have to check this one out. Thanks for the heads up.
Super Tech does offer a "Lawn Mower" oil which is a 10w-30. I have only seen it in an 18oz bottle. They do not offer much info on it. I assume it is similar to the Briggs oil or John Deer 10w-30 small engine oil. i.e made for air cooled engines that run hotter and have more ZDDP. But I have no factual info on them. They may all be made in the same factory for all I know.